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Chewan Mesa Resurrection Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.17 21:40:00 - [1] Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 17/05/2010 21:45:19 Hello, Today its my pleasure to announce that another nameless face is now contributing back to the gaming community. This time it is me, today i bring you a website that allows you to rate and keep track of players play tendencies in eve online as well as many other games. The site is created in a way that you add a name then give it a rating and then the rest of the people that interact with the player do the same thing. It then provides a database for people that are curious about a given players tendencies, either to theft or say to help you. Its a site to figure out who the Ciberas of eve are and who the real jerks may be. You might be thinking, but Chewan that's got to be exploitable, yep everything in life is exploitable. Though i would like to think i made this site one of the more challenging ones. Anyways, i would like to invite you to come to the site join up and rate yourself and others. Like everything that's is worth its salt online, its free no charges no registration fees no one time life time charges. so i urge you to use this site any time you come in contact with anyone good or bad, the more you rate the more the community befits. Oh and don't be shy about other games as well, its not just for eve. Thank you and fly safe. Chewan Mesa WEBSITE www.plskick.com
Exordium8 Minmatar Stealthfield.	Posted - 2010.05.17 22:08:00 - [2] Originally by: Chewan Mesa Its a site to figure out who the Ciberas of eve are... Who is this Cibera? Does he maybe mine voidspur in the belts of hamarr? --------------------------------- Pillage, then burn. Everything is air-droppable at least once. There is no 'overkill.' There is only 'open fire' and 'time to reload.
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare	Posted - 2010.05.17 22:17:00 - [3] Not a bad idea, potentially very useful. One thing it's lacking for sure though (IMO) is comments. I see 4 names already from Eve, each rated about a 5 (default starts are 5, so these are above average), but I have no idea -why- they got rated that way. A comment will generally give you an idea. Is the comment some profanity filled hatemail about being podded while mining in a low sec system? Or is it a genuinely though out and rational explanation of how that player did them wrong? You are right, what you said about every system being exploitable, so this is by no means foolproof, someone could simply make up a story. However, I think it would be more useful than not if an explanation was provided. Also, rating system seems... funny, starting at 5 and all. Most rating systems are simply an average of the votes, when I first glanced at the page I was wondering why people were so low, now I see that they are above average. The system looks like it works (I'd have to give it some time and more players to see), but it's not intuative, not to me anyway, maybe some other player comments can clear this up. One thought would be to change the color on something, stars or text perhaps, depending on their standings. Below 5 would gradually change towards red or black (evil pirates!) above five would change towards green or white (Chribba). Giving first time users a better feeling for what a good and bad score is. Perhaps showing number of votes and/or average vote as well. Goodluck with your site.
Nobzy	Posted - 2010.05.17 22:21:00 - [4] Indeed some comments would be awesome, if you're not against the whole database hell of it.
Chewan Mesa Resurrection Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.17 22:29:00 - [5] Edited by: Chewan Mesa on 17/05/2010 22:31:29 Originally by: BeanBagKing Not a bad idea, potentially very useful. One thing it's lacking for sure though (IMO) is comments. I see 4 names already from Eve, each rated about a 5 (default starts are 5, so these are above average), but I have no idea -why- they got rated that way. A comment will generally give you an idea. Is the comment some profanity filled hatemail about being podded while mining in a low sec system? Or is it a genuinely though out and rational explanation of how that player did them wrong? You are right, what you said about every system being exploitable, so this is by no means foolproof, someone could simply make up a story. However, I think it would be more useful than not if an explanation was provided. yah a lot more mods will be done on the site as it progresses and i thank you for your input. a lot of what you are saying will or is in the process of being added even before you suggested it. The whole average it is an average of scores only it stars with a weight of 30 at 5 so people dont just make an instant high score name. anyways if you would and if anyone has any suggestions . put them in a report on the site or go to the forums. thanks again guys Also, rating system seems... funny, starting at 5 and all. Most rating systems are simply an average of the votes, when I first glanced at the page I was wondering why people were so low, now I see that they are above average. The system looks like it works (I'd have to give it some time and more players to see), but it's not intuative, not to me anyway, maybe some other player comments can clear this up. One thought would be to change the color on something, stars or text perhaps, depending on their standings. Below 5 would gradually change towards red or black (evil pirates!) above five would change towards green or white (Chribba). Giving first time users a better feeling for what a good and bad score is. Perhaps showing number of votes and/or average vote as well. Goodluck with your site. while comments are great it leads to the flaming and the yelling and the omgwtfbbq posts. I want to use it as a tool not a discussion area. Now yes their will be a way to in the future explain what happened but it will be in the form of check boxes. something that people cant flame with.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.05.17 22:42:00 - [6] Edited by: Ghoest on 17/05/2010 22:45:41 Isnt the usefulness of this site contingent on MMO gamers doing the exact opposite of we know they actually do? EDIT: Im referring to the reality that players will make up bad stuff about people who make them unhappy and they well make up good stuff about their friends. They will rarely bother posting about people who they dont feel a personal interest in. Players will attempt to "game" other players through the site just as they attempt to "game" devs through forums. Wherever you went - Here you are.
BeanBagKing Ch3mic4l Warfare	Posted - 2010.05.17 22:42:00 - [7] Originally by: Chewan Mesa while comments are great it leads to the flaming and the yelling and the omgwtfbbq posts. I want to use it as a tool not a discussion area. Now yes their will be a way to in the future explain what happened but it will be in the form of check boxes. something that people cant flame with. I was thinking one comment with your vote, this automatically excludes any chance for it becoming a discussion area, nobody would be able to comment back, or if they did, they would have one opportunity, no more. The OP wouldn't have the chance for a rebuttal because he has already cast his vote/comment on that character. Besides, even this limited "flaming" would still be a way to gauge the character. Check boxes, while they would completely eliminate any arguments, wouldn't have the same effect. It's hard to judge a character based on 1 or 2 word checkboxes, or know by these what he has done right or wrong. It makes it downright impossible to judge the posted as either someone with legitimate grievances or simply an angry carebear who doesn't like game mechanics. It's you're tool of course, and I can defiantly see your side of the argument, it has its points. I just think that despite the downsides, actually being able to read another players concerns does more good than harm.
Kuar Z'thain Amok. SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.05.17 22:50:00 - [8] You still don't have his name right.
Chewan Mesa Resurrection Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.17 23:02:00 - [9] Thank you all for your input. I will look into a couple ways to make it simpler and a way to allow comments that dont take up hours to moderate. Ill see what i can do, what i would like of you is to tell everyone you can about it. When i have a voice united telling me what needs to be change ill change it. Not to say one voice isnt enough, i would just like to tackle the problems everyone has first.
Cat o'Ninetails Caldari Rancer Defence League	Posted - 2010.05.18 00:05:00 - [10] vote cat! x My Facebook!

Eva Wolfe	Posted - 2010.05.18 01:32:00 - [11] Beats me why you would even want to waste the time rating players. Maybe not enough to do in RL.
Chewan Mesa Resurrection Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.18 02:26:00 - [12] I can think of a couple reasons but it basically boils down to. A. How many times have you spent 3 or 4 hours playing a game and have someone ruin your game at the very end? B. Wouldn't you like to know if that person was going to ruin it at the very end WAY before you got there? Like avoid it? C. That and wouldn't you like to know if a player was actually going to be enjoyable to play with? Well i would think most do.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.05.18 03:05:00 - [13] Edited by: Ghoest on 18/05/2010 03:05:59 Originally by: Chewan Mesa I can think of a couple reasons but it basically boils down to. A. How many times have you spent 3 or 4 hours playing a game and have someone ruin your game at the very end? B. Wouldn't you like to know if that person was going to ruin it at the very end WAY before you got there? Like avoid it? C. That and wouldn't you like to know if a player was actually going to be enjoyable to play with? Well i would think most do. Its mind boggling that you still think this makes sense. The ultimate best case scenario is that the site half tattle tale - half vengeance mongering. It will be like those Doctor rating sites - that almost only list bad things about almost every doctor. But unlike real life the worst griefers will just reroll so you cant keep track of them. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2010.05.18 03:23:00 - [14] Where can I vote if a particular avatar is 'hot' or the opposite 'not' ?
Chewan Mesa Resurrection Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.18 03:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Ghoest Edited by: Ghoest on 18/05/2010 03:05:59 Originally by: Chewan Mesa I can think of a couple reasons but it basically boils down to. A. How many times have you spent 3 or 4 hours playing a game and have someone ruin your game at the very end? B. Wouldn't you like to know if that person was going to ruin it at the very end WAY before you got there? Like avoid it? C. That and wouldn't you like to know if a player was actually going to be enjoyable to play with? Well i would think most do. Its mind boggling that you still think this makes sense. The ultimate best case scenario is that the site half tattle tale - half vengeance mongering. It will be like those Doctor rating sites - that almost only list bad things about almost every doctor. But unlike real life the worst griefers will just re-roll so you cant keep track of them. very valid point. yes i imagine the bad people will be voted down and not many be voted up. tho that is kinda what this tool is for to figure out who is not going to work well with you. On the note of re rolling, yah if you want to pay for a new character or a new name i guess that's your choice. The site focuses on games with set names that aren't changeable or require a payment to change. So you know if you want to pay 15 bucks to change your name ... feel free i guess you beat the system... but to beat it you just wasted 15 bucks. A note if you play long enough with a name you kinda like it, the idea is that you wont want to get rid of a name you use all the time just to get around an external site. I think this comes to a point where you can say yes theory craft long enough and you can always get around it. Id say if you spend enough time trying to beat the system its your loss, its a tool use it or not. I believe that even if its half full vengence and half full tattle tales, you still got a 50% chance of knowing who not to play with. Isnt a 50% suggestion better than nothing?
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.05.18 04:02:00 - [16] Edited by: Ghoest on 18/05/2010 04:02:51 Originally by: Chewan Mesa I think this comes to a point where you can say yes theory craft long enough and you can always get around it. Id say if you spend enough time trying to beat the system its your loss, its a tool use it or not. Ummm no. This isnt some elaborate clever plan that few mischievous people will use. Its is the obvious course of action that will dominate your list. Originally by: Chewan Mesa I believe that even if its half full vengence and half full tattle tales, you still got a 50% chance of knowing who not to play with. Isnt a 50% suggestion better than nothing? No not really. When essentially all the reports will be negative and you cant tell if its a personall issue vs. a griefer said list has pretty much no value. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Lady Spank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.05.18 04:53:00 - [17] Having a rating out of 10 as voted by entirely impartial volunteers sure lets me know what a characters all about, great service. ~_~ (Retired from ship toasting. Now a professional.)
Atedar Kerane Silentium Mortalitas	Posted - 2010.05.18 08:03:00 - [18] Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails vote cat! x Yes, Indeed we need a ridiculous forum spammer on CSM, keep it on topic fool.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.05.18 12:43:00 - [19] Originally by: Atedar Kerane Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails vote cat! x Yes, Indeed we need a ridiculous forum spammer on CSM, keep it on topic fool. Well her campaign ad was more useful that the OPs silly idea. Wherever you went - Here you are.

CCP Navigator C C P C C P Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.18 12:47:00 - [20] Moved from General Discussion to EVE Technology lab as this concerns a player made tool or site. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, EVE Online


Chewan Mesa Resurrection Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.18 12:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: Atedar Kerane Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails vote cat! x Yes, Indeed we need a ridiculous forum spammer on CSM, keep it on topic fool. Well her campaign ad was more useful that the OPs silly idea. If its silly to you feel free to go do something else besides just say its a bad idea. I would like to hear constructive criticism if you have any other wise ... find something better to do?
Catari Taga Centre Of Attention Rough Necks	Posted - 2010.05.18 13:07:00 - [22] ***YOU FORGOT THE EXCLAMATION MARKS IN THE TOPIC TITLE!!!!!!!* -- Originally by:** Zeke Mobius I swear the catholic church was faster at admitting the earth was round than CCP at fixing stuff.
Ghoest	Posted - 2010.05.18 17:20:00 - [23] Originally by: Chewan Mesa Originally by: Ghoest Originally by: Atedar Kerane Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails vote cat! x Yes, Indeed we need a ridiculous forum spammer on CSM, keep it on topic fool. Well her campaign ad was more useful that the OPs silly idea. If its silly to you feel free to go do something else besides just say its a bad idea. I would like to hear constructive criticism if you have any other wise ... find something better to do? You dont offer constructive criticism when someone makes a turd sandwich. Wherever you went - Here you are.
Chewan Mesa Resurrection Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.05.20 04:51:00 - [24] Again suggestions on what you think could improve the over all function of the site. So far we have comments for player names. A possible idea on another update would be character alignments based on play stats and what not. So you could have anything from lawful good to chaotic evil. Thoughts on that?
Gertrud ToD Terrorists of Dimensions Electric Monkey Overlords	Posted - 2010.05.21 10:17:00 - [25] Edited by: Gertrud ToD on 21/05/2010 10:18:34 wow a popularity contest which allows daily revoting for total point gain.. seriously? whats the point of this? it doesnt say in any way how good a player you are, just how popular you are with people who want to be popular on that side. in short: pointless side. Edit: Fixing it? uhm the basic idea is useless, so no way to improve it.


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