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Omega Lambda
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Posted - 2010.05.07 16:06:00 -
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Right, so both of them boost sensor strength by the same amount, Omni just boosts ALL sensor strengths, and uses a tad more cap... but what is the point of that? Can caldari ships be jammed by magnetometric jammers as well? Is there some kind of hiddedn sensor strength that applies to the other ECM mods as well?
Would greatly appreciate some clarification, thanks.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.05.07 16:26:00 -
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If you're living out in a place where supply aint so easy, it's simpler to supply 50 omnis than make sure you have enough of each specific racial type.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.05.07 16:29:00 -
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As is today, all public jammers have a chance to jam any ship, even if the chance of jamming an "offrace" ship is much lower than what it's geared towards.
It was a bigger deal when invention wasn't around, but it still makes sense to be able to stock up on 10 omni eccms, instead of 40 racial for your next 10 ships. Parrots, commence!
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bluenzo
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Posted - 2010.05.07 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah As is today, all public jammers have a chance to jam any ship, even if the chance of jamming an "offrace" ship is much lower than what it's geared towards.
It was a bigger deal when invention wasn't around, but it still makes sense to be able to stock up on 10 omni eccms, instead of 40 racial for your next 10 ships.
yes a ECM that has a higher chance of jamming grav can still have a small chance of jamming radar. But if you use grav on a caldari ship and the jam fails. Can the lower number radar still jam a caldari ship? I think op is asking that.
Is caldari ONLY grav or is that just it's main sensor?
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.05.07 19:58:00 -
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As per above posters, it's mainly due to the easier logistics. However, it does come at a slight operational cost as Omnis uses 2x more cap to keep active. |
Sindri Muirin
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Posted - 2010.05.09 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: bluenzo
Originally by: NoNah As is today, all public jammers have a chance to jam any ship, even if the chance of jamming an "offrace" ship is much lower than what it's geared towards.
It was a bigger deal when invention wasn't around, but it still makes sense to be able to stock up on 10 omni eccms, instead of 40 racial for your next 10 ships.
yes a ECM that has a higher chance of jamming grav can still have a small chance of jamming radar. But if you use grav on a caldari ship and the jam fails. Can the lower number radar still jam a caldari ship? I think op is asking that.
Is caldari ONLY grav or is that just it's main sensor?
This seems to be the question, and a good one at that.
ie. If I turn on an omni (just assume it gives 4) ECCM on my rifter does that mean I now have 4 mag 12 ladar 4 radar 4 grav? Does this now mean I can be jammed by any of the 4 types?
hmm...
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NoNah
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Posted - 2010.05.09 01:12:00 -
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It'll only compare to the values the target have, hence each jammer gets one chance and only one chance to jam the target. Parrots, commence!
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.05.09 01:36:00 -
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Edited by: Sturmwolke on 09/05/2010 01:37:40
Originally by: Sindri Muirin
ie. If I turn on an omni (just assume it gives 4) ECCM on my rifter does that mean I now have 4 mag 12 ladar 4 radar 4 grav? Does this now mean I can be jammed by any of the 4 types?
You're getting confused. Racial ships are selective on their sensor types, for Minmatar it's Ladar. Anything that affects Ladar, whether it comes from ECM or ECCM will be applied. Any other racial sensor type values are ignored/filtered out.
/edit: corrected Radar to Ladar. Silly me |
NoNah
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Posted - 2010.05.09 03:01:00 -
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I'm however not sure on the mechanics with ships with 2 sensor strengths. If anyone happens to know, I'd appreciate some enlightenment. =) Parrots, commence!
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Lance Fighter
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.05.09 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sindri Muirin
Originally by: bluenzo
Originally by: NoNah As is today, all public jammers have a chance to jam any ship, even if the chance of jamming an "offrace" ship is much lower than what it's geared towards.
It was a bigger deal when invention wasn't around, but it still makes sense to be able to stock up on 10 omni eccms, instead of 40 racial for your next 10 ships.
yes a ECM that has a higher chance of jamming grav can still have a small chance of jamming radar. But if you use grav on a caldari ship and the jam fails. Can the lower number radar still jam a caldari ship? I think op is asking that.
Is caldari ONLY grav or is that just it's main sensor?
This seems to be the question, and a good one at that.
ie. If I turn on an omni (just assume it gives 4) ECCM on my rifter does that mean I now have 4 mag 12 ladar 4 radar 4 grav? Does this now mean I can be jammed by any of the 4 types?
hmm...
its percent based. 100% bonus to all of them - 2x of 0 is still 0.
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Betray
Caldari Royal Enterprise Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.05.09 03:25:00 -
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afaik there is no ship with 2 types of sensor strength. if there is any, id be interested to know :)
iirc ECCM is a percentage modifier. so 0 + 12345134675437698446465632% will still be..... 0 :)
basically, omni eccm still only boost ur racial strength -Betray- |
Sindri Muirin
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Posted - 2010.05.09 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Betray afaik there is no ship with 2 types of sensor strength. if there is any, id be interested to know :)
iirc ECCM is a percentage modifier. so 0 + 12345134675437698446465632% will still be..... 0 :)
basically, omni eccm still only boost ur racial strength
Ah right its a percent, forgot about that.
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Baneken
Gallente Aseveljet Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.05.09 08:52:00 -
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Edited by: Baneken on 09/05/2010 08:53:12 So in reality omni ECCM module is a very very useless item to have unless you fly with several different races (and lose ships) on regular basis.
Edit: this also includes inability to buy & fit several different race specific ECCM modules.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.05.09 12:27:00 -
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An example is best. A radar ECCM on an abaddon provides the same ECM resistance an omni ECCM does. However the omni ECCM uses slightly more cap. Other than that they are exactly the same. The 96% bonus to gravametric strength on the omni does not impact an abaddon. The reason is a 96% increase in a grav strength of 0 is still 0. Basic arithmetic FTW.
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Dungheap
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2010.05.09 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Betray afaik there is no ship with 2 types of sensor strength. if there is any, id be interested to know :)
iirc ECCM is a percentage modifier. so 0 + 12345134675437698446465632% will still be..... 0 :)
basically, omni eccm still only boost ur racial strength
apotheosis shuttle; 10 ladar/radar/mag/grav SS.
what do i win ?
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.09 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Seriously Bored on 09/05/2010 17:22:09
Originally by: Dungheap
Originally by: Betray afaik there is no ship with 2 types of sensor strength. if there is any, id be interested to know :)
iirc ECCM is a percentage modifier. so 0 + 12345134675437698446465632% will still be..... 0 :)
basically, omni eccm still only boost ur racial strength
apotheosis shuttle; 10 ladar/radar/mag/grav SS.
what do i win ?
Technically, that's four sensor types...not two.
ED: To not just be a ****: Too bad it doesn't have any module slots, otherwise it'd be a fantastic vehicle for testing all sorts of ECM related stuff.
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