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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.08.09 05:04:00 -
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I think that your digging too deep in one respect, the Jove are likely in thrall to the Sleepers.. Remember how the Ammar keep their Matari slaves in line? I recall Vitoc being stressed by someone in the early threads, the Sleepers were or are masters of genetic manipulation. Hence the genetic "disease" the Jove suffer from. Perhaps the Sleepers are even Jove that the emergent civilisation of drones reanimates for some purpose.. I also believe a GM hinted about Dune. The entire universe was in the thrall of Spice, the Bene Gesserit had a Breeding Program running.. Sansha's are Cyborgs, a melding of machine and human, much as we pod pilots are becoming, via technology donated to us from the Jove.. Just a few of my observations, I'll go back to lurking now..
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.08.09 05:12:00 -
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Oh and has anyone tried firing a laser at the construct?
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.09.15 01:31:00 -
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"I" believe the Jove to be contemporary to the other 3 societies. Perhaps the Jove were the Terran authority of the colonies, possessing the most advanced equipment and thus the best chances at survival. The Talocan were the Tau Cetans, the Yan Jung the megacorp faction and the Takmahl the Unified Catholic Church folks. The common colonists on Pator survived because it was a lush world, no need for life support systems. The Sleepers are the Jovian Stasis People, trying to retain their immortality. The Jove (and their enemy) have been manipulating history and humanity for centuries. Perhaps the Jovian Ambassadors are flesh puppets, created solely to allow the Elders "uploads" to interact with everyone else. Something, my guess is the Takmahl or Jove Modifiers(enhuenaddi?) created a genetic timebomb and somehow slipped the Static Jove a "big" mickey. Forcing them to "upload their society in a bid for survival, with the help of the Talocan and Yan Jung. The Yan Jung are likely the creators of the Isogen 5 superweapon, which I believe is based on shield tech? Something to think about, Jove is the firstborn of the Titans, the "gods" of old, the inheritor of heaven, which he STOLE by force. The Sleeper drones are simply the Jove's drones, lacking the flaws and insanity of the rogue drones. We are the left overs, scratching our way back to civilisation after these factions warred in the distant past. Still being manipulated in a war of attrition between uncertain (to me at least) ideologies.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.09.15 02:13:00 -
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[quote=Wyke Mossari I can smell another human imprint. I'm about to run into one of my own kind. Or, at least, another capsuleer.
I encourage you to peruse the huge stock of fiction CCP draws from, such as one of my personal favs, Dune..
Bene Gesserit statement to Paul when she administers the Gom Jabbar,
"Ever sift sand through a screen?" she asked. The tangential slash of her question shocked his mind into a higher awareness: Sand through a screen, he nodded. "We Bene Gesserit sift people to find the humans."
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.09.15 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/09/2010 13:15:24 There is plenty of evidence, unfortunately it is primarily circumstantial. And the most "interesting" suspects are hiding in W-Space. The Jove need to enlighten us as to THEIR part in this situation. Their silence speaks volumes, as the saying goes. The little we can garner from the Jovian kitz suggests they have been cataloging and categorizing our society for a LONG time. Yes, I think the enclaves are Jovian. W-Space may actually be the frontier of the elusive Jove Empire.
Oh and while I'm at it, the capsuleer community needs to press CONCORD, as well. They have obviously been complicite in much of this.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.09.15 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Auwnie MoroheNo. If the Sleepers were ever part of the Jove as has been suggested and of which there is very little evidence they were a long time ago.[/quote
I beg to differ. No offense, but, there is volumes of circumstancial evidence that they are Jovian. Much of it in the few paragraphs of racial description and more in the few paragraphs of the SoCT, who are definately Jove.
I am certain the enclaves in W-Space are of Jovian origin, whether a splinter group, like the SoCT or the entirety of their race. There are residential sections within(Living Areas), there are stasis facilities (Stasis People), quarantine areas(Jovian Disease)and huge database storage sections of diverse topical matter(Jovian motivation\knowledge).
I wish game mechanics would allow scanning the structures, but, they don't. So, we can only infer that the structures hulls are impervious to standard scans. Otherwise we might find life signs within. The alloys used to construct the enclaves correspond to Jovian ship design (an obsidian alloy with typical hightech lighting). One of the chronicles implies the Jove are cloaked in wormhole space, if we infer correctly the speakers are Jovian Assemblymen?
I strongly disagree about the "evidence" at hand as you see it. There is no doubt in my mind that the Jove had a strong hand in building those constructs.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.09.16 13:00:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 16/09/2010 13:04:31 Auwnie Morohe:
When one wants to bring a pet into the United Kingdom it is required to be in quarantine for a period of time.
Now that is a thought I hadn't entertained, and one I can't find fault with. Thank you for expanding possibilities.. But, I still see Jovian influence.. Another possibility for all that biomass... I think you are probably right that there are no living beings within the structures at this time. But as I said, there could be live remnants of the Jove populace anywhere in W-Space. And my guess is that they can cloak every class of ship they possess. Perhaps even cloak their stations.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.09.17 11:01:00 -
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Originally by: Auwnie Morohe I read the scientific article about jump gates yesterday and it said that the EVE gate is called that because it was written on the remnants of it. Making it a point that all letters were capitalized. So anyone want to take a guess on what they stand for?
Eternity Vortex Entrance?
Wish I had read EA, anyone got a copy I can borrow?
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 15:50:00 -
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Well, apparently this is a deeper mystery than many of us were willing to admit at first. The Jove have apparently "ascended" into the Galactic Network. Their time had come. But, they wished to leave us the tools we needed to defeat the Sansha threat. This is why the statement in the Amarr\Minmatar Elder chronicle.
And once again it showed me the true apathy the Jove suffer from. Their main concern was securing the DNA of the Elders, they really didn't care if they were alive or dead. Alive would have been better, but, dead, eh, that works too.
The Jove's Endless Sorrow is immortality. They are infomorphs, they have learned how to live "noncorporealy". But, that existence is hollow.
The enclaves represents the physical remains of the Jove's research into Anoikis and Metastasis, as well as many other things. I couldn't relegate the disease, because I was being too literal. The "disease" is the manner of their ascension. Cryo this, thermo that. They were making their genome hardier. Turning it into a cancer, that could metastasize into the very fabric of the Universe.
"They embarked on a journey of frenzied technological research on the matter, resulting in some very interesting theories and facts on the nature of man and his connection to the universe." on Ior Labron and the SoCT..
The elements of life exist in stars, they are the very source of life. Albeit at extreme temperatures. All the experimentation was into making their genetic structure resilient enough to survive these extremes.
And I think this concept is just the beginning to greater revelations.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 16:17:00 -
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Yes, yes, the idea of an infomorph. What "exactly" is an infomorph? The whole Anoikis was a subtle misdirect from Metastasis. Cells are not the only thing that can metastasize, the ability is inherent in Neoplasms, as well.
Now take into account the strange illegal commodity Ectoplasm.
I may be off on a point or two, but, come on, as you said, wikipedia is your friend..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 16:21:00 -
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And the ability to migrate to new stars, disputes your ideas about energy. When a star dies off, you have eternal mechanized servants to help you move to a New AO star. Which in the larger scope allows you to survive as long as the universe does.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 16:34:00 -
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Everyone, please re-read Ior Labron's Poem. Think about every line. They went searching for God, only to find that God eluded them. They were infinite, possessing the power to bind stars. They still sought something more. And still do. They are the Seeker and they know nothing but the search. It is what they have become. They still exist, and they will for eternity. Looking for a God that refuses to be quantified.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 12/11/2010 17:17:17 Actually, sorry it is Gorda Hoje that is the author and founder of the SoCT.
Your argument supports my case. The key is, they AVOIDED anoikis. They metastasized the brain cell and somehow bound it to the electromagnetic and chemical makeup of the stars.
Anoikis is, in the simplest terms, the natural aging of cells. When cells metastasize, they become immortal. Cancer can grow in dead material as well as living. Take the thinking one step further. Perhaps, with the proper manipulation at a genetic level, functional brain cells could be grown in a vat, independant of the living system that normally supports it. In a bottle of goo. In an absolute zero environment, or one that is 14000 degrees farenheit.
These brain cells could theoretically bond with any "organic" material, which stars are notorious for spewing copious amounts of. Take into account that one of the relevent qualities of an AO sun is it is high in Hydrogen and Calcium.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 17:22:00 -
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Now, if you needed biomass to create enough ectoplasm to "upload" a race, how would you get it? You might make a deal with Sansha. And then, feeling slightly guilty about it, you might level the playing field by introducing tech to those you betrayed.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 12/11/2010 17:33:42 Further Brain Cells are... Here is your link to the product harvested in wormhole space that support the theory.. SOD3 What is it? CFM3 in Eve?
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 17:39:00 -
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And finally, clone degradation has been shown to be a dead end for Cloning for immortality, Uploading created a Rogue AI, that pushed them back to genetics and "evolving" an immortal human.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 12/11/2010 18:19:35 Now for the ingame experience, and forgetting ancient history, which is why I began this "poker run" in the first place..
The Jove were probably a mistake to incorporate into the game. They were the tell tale end of the story. Most people see it as "the Jove are bad ass. I wanna be a Jovian." I know I did when I began. Doing all the background research before I started playing, I wanted to be Jove.
And, man, you couldn't be Jovian. Crap! So I chose the race I saw as culturally closest to the Jove in my mind, the Caldari.
Over the years I have seen, "what tech level are the Jove?" "What kind of weapons do they use." "I wanna fly a wraith." etc. etc...
This is contrary to the "sandbox" theme, where everyone is technological equals. Different maybe, but, the same tech level. If WE the capsuleers are to become the driving force of change and invention. Then the Jove have to go.
And BTW, sorry, "Truth Serum" was the chronicle I was using, not "the Society of Conscious Thought. Your right, Ior Labron was the founder. Gorda Hoje the author of "The Truth Serum".
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 18:41:00 -
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I would have to pore over the chronicles for all the relevent pieces and I just don't have the time. Was hoping someone else would do it..
The Jove were instrumental in derailing an all out war by instituting the militias. They knew Sansha would be coming.
The Jove have gone to extraordinary lengths to supress and release their technology piecemeal, assuring noone gets too strong. They were at a dead end long ago, because their gene pool had diminished to a point where it was inviable beyond cloning. They realize that genetic diversity is a must, and foster it. They still feed off the information that is being recorded by the Sleeper drones. If we die out, they are really lost. They thrive on new experience, coallate it and continue to search for "perfect truth".
Without us, their lives would be REALLY hollow.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 19:07:00 -
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And the coming Incursions seem to reflect a pivotal moment for the Jove, when they decided that biotech was better than cybertech. I see an ideological axiom moment...
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 19:23:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 12/11/2010 19:27:48
Originally by: Amann Karris Different type of degeneration. Neural. As in, brain cells dying.
Exactly, like old people experience. A natural programmed shutdown of the bilogical entity. Growing old and dying.
And I noticed the implication in the other thread. But it's too late to back down, now. I'll carry my argument through even if I'm wrong. I admitted I didn't have all the pieces put together..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 19:34:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 12/11/2010 19:35:13 Why settle for a brick house, that someone could knock down, with a big enough sledge hammer? When you could concievably build your house out of fire instead?
The Sleeper Drones are self replicating, a single drone could propigate 10,000. Destroy the Sleepers en masse, and how would they replicate millenia of experience?
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 12/11/2010 19:56:58 The destroyed areas of wormhole space are the relevent pieces to the puzzle that would allow us to immediately follow them..
Put a gullible group of Matari in the right place at the right time. A tweak here, a prod there, KABOOM! No more ascendence device.
I wouldn't be suprised if they weren't having a good chuckle with the Terrans over the whole matter..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 20:55:00 -
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" Little wonder, then, that people regard the SCT schools as breeding grounds for world leaders."
Indeed..
"These sprawling places, often resembling huge fortresses, house everything from living quarters and food-growing facilities to laboratories and libraries. Each enclave, called a kitz, is a separate entity, but communication between kitzes is frequent."
Sounds EXACTLY like a Sleeper Enclave...
"Let us only hope the search never ends, that the Absolute Truth stays hidden forever. For if the search ends, we end. Then we become nothing more than dust, specks of sand on the shore of universal lie."
If God is proven to exist, and his word is truth, the Jove abandoned that truth long ago as irrelevent.
And perhaps that is why they fostered the Amarr religion, just in case.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 21:08:00 -
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Anyway, everything points to the Jove already achieving this altered state. And it is not simply a one way cut and run option.
They can obviously reinvest themselves into a "doppleganger" of some sort and even jack clones of capsuleers. Though this seems to be the ideological difference. The Enhuadanni have no problem hijacking living individuals, while the Sisters of Eve, CONCORD and the Jovian Military seem to use "grown" vessels that are seemingly "synthetic".
The Enhuadanni propose manipulating humanity along the course they desire, while the others factions of the Jove lean towards letting us be more self determining.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.12 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 12/11/2010 21:22:10 So, that leads us to implications that Jamyl Sarum is a "doppleganger" or that she knows the Jove are no more and intends to finish what her ancestors began, with no interference from the Jove. And she may question the authority of CONCORD over her Empire. She has obviously negotiated with the Blood Raiders. That will be long term, though. The Incursions will slow that desire.
I hear a U2 song in there somewhere...
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.13 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 13/11/2010 18:13:09 "Mime.Access.Requested; [->User]Access key required. Please supply biometrics; Mime.Access.Ratification(User 7963); [->User]Welcome; Server.local.start; Settings.load(User 3053);Add.actor1; Scene.start(7958);
He's a confused Carpenter, exploring concepts beyond his normal routine. Sitting dumbfounded before a computer screen.
Scene.start(7965); [->User]Scene not found;"
Not the stargate replicators, that would assume the Sleeper Drones have sentience, which I don't believe they do. While Rogue Drones do have a limited sentience. But they do share the ability to manufacture copies, via Sleeper direction. I am not backing away from the star home theory, though.. Too many things keep pointing to it.
Thank you for the prods, btw, Amman. I was having problems relegating philosophy and cosmology in Eve. Being raised under primarily Western assumptions, I didn't see the forest for the trees so to speak.
I kept assuming the Unified Catholic Church represented mostly Western Philosophy and Cosmology, which it may have. But it died out, a victim of aetheism and unreconcilability. Perhaps a reason the pre-Gallente fled Earth. And the reason tribalism became so strong among the Matari.
Anyway, i went back to wikipedia and started from scratch, holding on to things that made sense, and discarding those that didn't.
The Amarr religion holds no ideas of messiah, no linear cosmology, so obviously the Messianic Religions died out. Cyclic Cosmology is the only model we see in Eve. The Amarr religion is then based on Sikhism.
I always saw the RPers in Eve as percieving Jewish\Christian models for the Amarr, and perhaps they do. The symbolism should have caught my attention the first time around. Such also explains, through Eastern Cosmology, the extreme blasphemy of the Blood Raiders. And strong images of Islam in the Amarr religion.
The Cyclic Cosmology also helps to explain what has happened in the Eve Universe, with the "Keepers", for lack of a better term applying Teleology concepts to the whole of humanity as it goes through it's cycles of rebirth. Are they applying these ideas toward a linear goal?
Yes, again, they built a giant computer system incorporating all of humanity to find the meaning of life, ala Deep Thought.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.13 18:48:00 -
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And to answer your question, why the Jove? Because they are the tell tale end of the story. Nothing ever seems to happen in Eve, that the Jove don't seem to have a hand in.
Everything points to human intervention and guidance over the millenias of man's existance. The Jove are the center of the wheel. The pivotal constant that all else are emulating, and the Jove keep the spin going, allowing the centrifugal force to keep the other races at bay.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.13 19:01:00 -
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In other words, the Jove trapped a portion of humanity, perhaps all of humanity in a cosmic maze. Then fiddled and prodded humanity to find an answer, or more properly, the best of a number of equations. They have been investing genetic manipulation into generations of humanity into a fulfillment of the needs for a bigger CPU. This CPU is contained in the stars. The Sleeper Enclaves are the foundation of the system.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.13 19:16:00 -
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OK, so the Jove need to decide between philosophies to find the best course toward human enlightenment. This is where it again gets hazy. Seems like a choice between cybernetics and hybridization and religio-philisophical control methods. It seems there is a third road, but, I can't quantify it.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.13 20:52:00 -
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Thank you, I should have just asked for a theology lesson..
puruṣārthas and trial by fire, starting to comprehend..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.13 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 13/11/2010 21:37:13 I keep trying to think "outside" the Jovian conspiracy box, and the hints and insinuations keep driving me back to it, please, someone point out what I am missing.
Even the "preserver aspect" of Vishnu suggests the Sleepers, and the Jove as being two parts of a whole..
And the Indravishnu, though the aspect is kinda paradoxical, highlights the Amarr's apparent ideological contention with the Jove, or even the Intaki? The Intaki could be Jovian Elders, hiding in plain sight.. and meh, once again the Jove...
Role Players take note, the stuff that is irrelevent to your Role Play is unfolding before you..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.13 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 13/11/2010 22:34:11 OK, so Eve is a Thought Experiment in Cosmology. That still begs the question, who's? The Jove.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.14 00:52:00 -
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"Well, the Jove are humans. Who did you think they were?"
Humans, of course..
"Look, you're trying to find differences, and thinking about those differences as being the end-all and be-all of the problem. Where did all of the races, bloodlines, people come from?"
Earth, obviously, Indian SubContinent.. At least the caste system in place did..
"When did the Jove start experimenting with genetics?"
My guess would be back on Earth..
"More importantly, what does this mean about the Sleepers? Does it have any meaning in that context at all?"
Yes, it does for writing coherent fiction.. I like to write, having a hard time forming ideas.. You've given me a crap ton..
"Read The Truth Serum again. Is it a truth you want to know?"
Again, yes, it is the way my mind works..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.14 01:47:00 -
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The Vedic Varna was obviously THE social class model of humanity at the time of the Eve Gate. And is of extreme importance to history, again, my area of inquiry. This thread provides a case study for officienados such as myself to speculate upon while remaining relatively close to the canon fiction as it unfolds.
And resolves certain mysteries about canon fiction that are ancient in origin and may provide a road map of evolution points in the storyline. And allows geeks like myself raw canon material to draw upon, such as linguistic projects like I've seen for the Caldari, to me knowing the concept behind the Raata Empire is priceless.
Amarr loyalists have a serious foundation for "poetic license". Some of them may have understood the roots of the faith, but, I'll warrant all of them do now. Some may even get the Takmhal a bit better.. Brahmins wielding the fire of God..
The Caldari players following this really get the roots of their national identity now. At least I do. Kshatriyas excelling for the good of people..
The Gallente, the seemingly out of place French Merchants, the Vaishyas..
And the tribal Matari, the labor pool, the diligent, hard working Shudras..
This is the meat I've been after..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.14 05:42:00 -
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Sorry, couldn't help but gloat over pulling irrelevent, semi-official hitherto shadowy information into the open.
And I do realize that speculative fiction could allow for all kinds of bizzare permutations of truth..
For instance it could be that all the races are descended of the First Jovian Empire, and these Jovians opened a portal via the Eve Gate to another galaxy or time, allowing a infomorph lifeform to invade their computer system. Civilization was razed to avoid the spread of the invading infomorphs.
We could all be a computer program running a simulation
The Jove could be raising up and trashing an endless stream of ideological and religious models to see what makes sense.
But you have implied something elegantly simple and obvious, shrouded mostly by our perception.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.14 06:14:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 14/11/2010 06:24:04 Edited by: Roga Dracor on 14/11/2010 06:20:08
Originally by: Amann Karris What if I said that the truth is so simple that I'm surprised no one figured it out, and I know now why Dropbear held his tongue?
Someone in New Eden was using The Mirrors.
"From the moment your scan probes lock on to this signature, it is immediately apparent that something big lies ahead. Almost overwhelmed by the flood of data, your shipÆs sensors struggle to shut out the colossal amounts of interference flowing outwards from the local deadspace pocket. Almost none of the information is decipherable. The only hope is some weak signals being transmitted on local comms that, if homed in on, may provide some clue as to what role the facilities here once played."
ôSo weak they are almost imperceptible amid the chaotic flood of data, a multitude of faint transmissions can be detected emanating from each of the eight enclaves here. Electronic systems will need to get on top of each structure to get a clearer signal.ö
ôArchive Enclave: Directory 1.1-3.3 Digital Backup Library A digital backup copy of data 3.4-3.5 Terran Artifacts Data about Terran Artifacts 4.1 Theories of the EVE Gate Data outlining the possibilities of the Eve Gate 5.1 Talocan Technology Data outlining the technology of the Talocans 6.1-6.9 Emergent Ideologiesö Data outlining Ideologies that might arise from hitherto unexplored perspectives? ôCommunications Enclave: Directory 1.0 - 5.1 Microvirtual Transmission Sensors Receivers for the drones 5.2 - 5.5 Sensor Backup Systems A cache for storing the incoming data prior to cataloging 6.0 Operation Servers The system that files the data and in turn feeds it to the PNN Studios 7.0 Proliferation News Network Studios Something to do with "The Precious Tableau" a transmitter 8.0 Detransmission Clustersö //Stumped\\Shutting the "program" off?
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2010.11.14 07:31:00 -
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ôMedical Enclave: Directory 1.0 Emergency The first stage of medicine dealing with traumatic injuries or infection, could be data 2.0-2.8 Triage The method of determining the order of treatment based on severity of incident and survivability, again could be data 2.9 Stasis A method of slowing or arresting life functions to offset death or to isolate uncertain cases, possibility of data seems unlikely 3.0 Quarantine Sector A Stage 1 quarantine section 4.0 Quarantine Sector B Stage 2 quarantine section 5.0-9.2 Quarantine Sector C Stage 3 quarantine section 9.3 Quarantine Sector Xö The Morgue
ôOruze Enclave: Directory 1.0 Solar Engineering Relates to building stars or the theories behind such tech, could be machines, could be data 1.1 Photoelectrical Engineering Relates to the generation of electricity from light or the theories behind such tech, could be data 1.2 Thermovoltaics Relates to the generation of electricity from heat or the theories behind such tech, could be data 1.3 Residential 1.4 Residentialö Someone or someones live here, as usual, could be data
ôResearch Enclave û Biogenetics: Directory 1.0-3.2 Animal Cryogenetic Research Laboratories Initial research into sub-zero temperatures on proteins and genomes, animals could possibly be human 3.3-3.8 Holding Pens Housing for the animals 4.0-6.0 De-animation Genealogy Research Library When they snuff the animal subjects, they detail it's pedigree, mostly data 7.0-8.0 Student Classrooms Classrooms for a school 9.0 Human Cryogenetic Applicationsö The application of the above research to manipulate humanity, and the machinery to implement it or the data outlining those applications
ôResearch Enclave û Theoretical Genetics: Directory 1.0 Interdigital Neural Activity Laboratories Something to do with turning sound into an electronic signal inside a brain? Likely a hint at fluid routers, or teaching AI machines to talk 2.0 Multiple-Ancestry Research A genetics program? Looking for certain bloodlines? Or a pedigree of the AI's contributors? 3.0 Statistical Proliferation Archive A scientific record of the spread of data across some medium 4.0 Datagenesis Procedures A program to create data, or make data alive 5.0- 8.0 Backup Servers Redundencies of the above systems 9.0 Mixed Intelligence Displaysö An interface for humans and AI to interact
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.14 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 14/11/2010 08:04:59 Ahh, yes it does..
So the Sleeper structures equate to a CONCORD of sorts for the Sansha's Nation. The destroyed planets are the first salvo in Sansha's coming war. Sansha has digested alot of Jovian knowledge and likely wiped out the Jove assisting him. He has found ways to minimize the impact of capsuleers against his nation, likely enacted through the Sleeper structures.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.14 12:37:00 -
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Gotta run down to Indy, I will returm to this later, but, curious, does anyone know how many planets are in the Intaki system? And what makes you think this is implying ALL the Jove? I only see the Society. The Servant Sister's of Eve was founded primarily by the Jove, as was Concord. These seem like pretty solid realities. I don't see the Sisters siding with Sansha.. Two cents for now, more later.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.15 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 00:53:21 So, I began thinking on the drive to Indianapolis today. We call these infomorphs Sleepers. The Jove refer to them as Enhenuadanni. I wondered what they call themselves?
Well, being creatures who freefly the solar winds and dance 'midst the stars, perhaps they would give themselves a name such as... Oh I don't know, maybe Oruze?
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Posted - 2010.11.15 01:09:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 01:13:10 I am now certain that the structures labeled Oruze and Sleeper are indeed of Jovian origin. The Sleeper Enclaves are most certainly Society of Conscious Thought Kitz.
The Oruze are the culmination of the HyCon program. The Sleepers are the Jovian Stasis People, and all the rest of the various blocs are dedicated to Society Endeavors. Apparently the Society is in charge of taking care of the Stasis People. The genetics labs? We see their results all around us. The Slaver Hounds, Fedos, Long Limbed Roe. Thanks for that Arvash..
The med labs are related to the Kyonoke Pit as I originally surmised.
And much thanks to Auwnie and Amann for pushing me in the right direction. How exactly Sansha ties in with the Oruze is still a bit unclear, but am I the only one who saw the insinuation about Jamyl?
Apparently the Hyper Consciousness Program was a success, and it involves our Suns. But the pertinent question is, how far are the Society willing to go to support Sansha? How will the Jove Empire, whatever remains of it, reply to this bold act by the Society?
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.15 01:20:00 -
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So, anyone have an idea about how we start using the network? As has been implied again and again? It relates to activity on The Line and at The Mirror. How much of the above mythological cosmonogy is directly related to this puzzle?
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.15 02:13:00 -
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So, as I surmised, it is the Jove. And now you, the capsuleers have a distinct choice between you, slavery or unleashing the armageddon you were bred to initiate.
I know I will never give Roga's passions away for psyche suicide. Let the games begin..
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.15 03:20:00 -
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The preponderance of the evidence leads us to the only conclusion available, it makes sense in every respect. Disprove it.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:41:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 16:42:34 So, the universe decides to throw me a curve. I am feeling enormous pride over solving part of the puzzle, jump in game, and proceed to lose a 'Cane to a very clever use of Neuts.. Good job, guys!
Then start thinking, wait a minute, your getting too brash, and realize there has really not been alot resolved. I always equated the Reverand Mother as a Jove Static, imagine my chagrine.
Need to read all these chronicles, someday.. And the novels..
So I noticed the above and went back to Wiki, of course.
What if, the Universe, as infinitely expanding held all these permutations as "possibilities". Or more akin to the current dilemma, "probabilities". There are still missing players or ideologies or plagarisms, they may not have been introduced yet, because we haven't solved something.
When I entered the wormholes, we resided in a Class 4 that had a "broken" anomoly "the Integrated Terminus". I didn't pay much heed to it, though, not being a Corp Officer, it is a little above my pay grade, but, I know it was petitioned. And I think it was because it never respawned or disappeared.
Taking the Cosmos\Sleeper theorum a little deeper into the rabbit hole. Are we the avatars of Vishnu who destroy the fortresses\demons trapping and consuming the light or waters of the world?
Perhaps we need to eliminate every "Integrated Terminus" in the network to advance the storyline?
The Reverand Mother insinuates she is ancient, the daughter of one of the first humans to pass through the Eve gate, meaning a progenitor of a race. "Where the races and bloodlines came from". She is referred to by the Jove as Enhuadanni, which translates roughly from Sumerian\Babylonian mythos as daughter priestess of Innanna or Ishtar, who was a Goddess who implanted her followers into the role of leaders of a people. Poor Gallente..
Jamyl Sarum has "returned from the dead" to "save her people". Is that not again a display of Avatarism?
Why has it taken so long for humanity to rebound after the close of the gate? Maybe the only survivors might have been "sheltered" from the effects of "the apocolypse" in a wormhole? Where they were, scientists, studying the survivors from the last apocolypse?
The Eve Gate is not what it appears to be, it is "Genesis".....
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.15 16:52:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 15/11/2010 16:54:56 As a matter of fact all four(five?) Avatars seem to be in place to fight the demons that plague their races.. Us and Sansha.. I always wondered why CCP had never really taken an active hand at playing against us.. I always thought it would be immensely fun if they "leveled the playing field a bit.."...
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.18 04:46:00 -
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Yes, shame on you..
Why sleepers instead of rogue drones indeed? Detrius..One man's trash..
This all starts with the Society somehow. The Jove are implicated as main players in regards to the Book of Truth, the SuperDoomsday Device, etc, etc, et al..
The Society is interested in advancing humanity's knowledge of all things. One of these might likely be advanced travel techniques. They could have learned of wormhole space years ago. They might then have been investigating the Talocan and their hyperspatial technology. And consequently using wormhole space as a hidden base of operations.
They might also have perfected the HyCon program and instituted it into Nation in a new bid for supremecy of their ideals. The Sisters have apparently known about this for a while as well. They obviously have the most conprehensive spy network in New Eden. They have then been tipping off Concord and the Empires to some of these things, retaining a certain amount of information privy, as an ace in the hole.. The Sister dislike capsuleers and and see them clashing with Nation as beneficial to them. Hopefully both wipe each other out. The collateral damage is acceptable for the greater good.
Now let's suppose also that the Society has tech 3 drone technology. Wouldn't the Empires like it if we harvested t3 materials for them to directly profit from t3 drone production, or any other t3 technology that it is already in our power to produce, maybe through invention? It seems to suggest that the sleeper drones are the advancement the rogue drones were supposed to be. We'll see if tech 3 drones start popping up..
The shattered planets seem to be a test of the SuperDoomsday device hinted at in the chronicles. Like maybe a screw up by the Empires themselves. They seemed to know where the bad things happened. Which implies the Sisters, and perhaps the Empires have previous knowledge of wormhole space, as well.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.19 20:20:00 -
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Pretty certain the overview goes something like this. After all, it is the history I have been after. The current is just an effect of the past.
We are in the fourth age of the universe. The Talocan are a remnant of the third age of the universe. The second age was dominated by giants. We have all seen their remains in New Eden. The first age was the age of creation, when the "Most High" god chose to invest himself in creation.
The Talocans gave venerence to the stars. They believed that the gods resided within the stars, and offered blood and hearts to feed and appease them. I believe that wormhole space is likely the "Talocan Empire" or what passes as such. They would be very reminiscient of Blood Raiders, or Thugees, in my mind.. Taking the sacrifice theme to it's ultimate obscenity. Perhaps they decided to join their god in the heaven in which he resided. A hypothetical base for people living inside stars.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.19 20:28:00 -
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As such, the Oruze Osnobnyk (wtfever) might then be a transfer device for life forces being fed to a sun. Not home, not train, but transfer..
The Oruze Enclave could be a device created to harness the energies of a star and provide a place for the Oruze to reside and interact with the Sleepers(SoCT or First Jove Empire).
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.19 21:19:00 -
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So if the genesis point of mankind is earth, which it has been in every cosmology I have studied, it begs a question. Where is Earth really located in game terms, and what was the Joves reason to help mankind rebuild civilization. What was the First Jovian Empires horrible mistake, really? And where did the First Jovian Empire originate, in the cosmic "short term"?
A thought on analogies, in relation to this line of thought, where were the First and Second Foundations located?
Could it be, the Bloodlines of mankind stretched far out into the folds of space, became so jaded and hateful, so far removed itself from humanity, that it came back and irradicated it's own base populace, not even realizing it at first?
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.20 14:51:00 -
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The universe our capsuleers reside in is cyclical. They currently reside in the fourth age of creation. All evidence points to this as fact. In this universe, earth is the center, the Genesis point. Of that, I am also relatively certain.
All the cosmologies we have explored hold this as a basic truth. So, if that is indeed the way it is, Earth was located in New Eden. So, what really happened in New Eden? The entire system was laid waste, much as if, a human power turned it's aggressive tendencies upon the system and obliterated it.
If Earth was in New Eden, the farther we get from Earth, the more advanced cultures we might find. What besides distance, seperates the star systems? Time. As the races and bloodlines spread out, away from the Earth, they advanced technologically and socially. They became farther removed from humanity until they couldn't recognize it. Then suppose a ultra advanced race of humans found a gate at the edge of their exploring. This gate leads to virgin space, or does it? Perhaps where it leads is to a beautiful system with an indigenous population of low tech humans. They have space travel, but hardly worth dealing with as you can wipe out the whole Empire with little thought. So do you? What if you do, and realize it holds the key to a mystery you have been trying to solve?
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.20 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 20/11/2010 15:12:05 And antagonizing people giving hints is rather non-productive, as is the wtf the Jove did it. Of which I am still relatively certain they did.
The Enhuadanni are the Intaki, from what I gather, and they have somehow managed to win a cold war with the Jove. The Reverand Mother of SoE is Intaki, I think. And the history relates her to the En. Enki, her (son), is analogous with the Intaki people, which implies she is ancient and the progenitor of the Intaki peoples. The Jove, their "enemies", are analogous to Abzu, the old Earth god. Making me think that perhaps the Jove don't originate in this Age of Mankind.
The Intaki have been manipulating the scene to try and maneuver the Jove into a less powerful position in New Eden politics. As well as strengthen thier position in the Gallente Federation. If they can't it is likely they will succede.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.20 18:20:00 -
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The Capsuleer program is a science experiment. A flawwed one, I think. Vey much like the Rogue drones.
There are ancient forces running New Eden, we can all agree on that. The direction of the Empires suggests that logistics in the cluster are a big economic choke point. Their is a chronicle stating that moving goods is the true limit to the New Eden economy or some such.
We are in the Age of Vice, arguably the Gallente's Age. The previous Age I would argue belonged to the Matari, perhaps why they took the hardest hit in the prior Apocolypse. The Second Age was the Age of the Giants. The Caldari concept of oneness made them Giants, or the MegaCorporations could be the analogy. The First Age was the age of the Priest, the begetter of life and religion. The "ArchTypes" of these races vie for their ideologies. A fifth race, oversees the entire experiment in a quasi-lifeless existance, crunching the numbers.
Now it seems the ghosts of the past experiments may have come back as a sixth race to haunt everyone, the fifth race included.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.20 22:39:00 -
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Actually, Auwnie, I think it does, in either a greater or lesser degree anyway. I have been studying the fringe of this mystery since I began playing Eve. My first hint that something in Eve was off, was the giant shuttles and hulks floating around the cluster.
I remember asking about it, getting a response of "Giants used to live in New Eden". I laughed it off and put it down to plagarized graphics and a disregard for scale.
But, the little discrepencies continued to pile up. I filed them away and went on playing. Now, I realize that every stroke on the canvas has been thought through, if just a little bit. And they all add up to a Scooby Doo mystery that I liken to an "Easter Egg" in Eve. Creators love their creation and want them to have a lasting impact on the senses.
All great epics are thought through on a general level even before they are written. Religion, geography, social makeup, etc.. I am trying to get a peek at the Eve Bible and see what the premises are. Then we can begin to see their relevence to the bigger picture.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.21 00:12:00 -
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For instance, if the Eve Gate is not what we believe it to be, what is it? We believe it to be the end of a natural wormhole that was held open by gate technology, but, does it conform to the wormholes we do have experience with? The Reverend Mother flat out states in a chronicle, she is the daughter of one of the first settlers to come through the Eve Gate. If it is not a natural wormhole, where did he\she come from to settle? A star perhaps? The emanations from the Eve gate could be the open portal into the New Eden Star. One certainly wouldn't want to enter that in a spaceship.
We are searching out well hidden pieces to a puzzle meant to be obscure. My endless meandering doesn't mean I subscribe to any one theory, I am just exploring possibilities and clues, whether relevent or not. I hoped mostly by posting to draw others into the debate, hoping for them to drop hints to the puzzle pieces I'm missing.
I have always been of the opinion that we capsuleers are an experiment, not of the Jove, but, of CCP. CCP is amassing a huge database of mmorpg data, why not twist the reality into the story? CCP is the true god we seek to unmask.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.21 17:30:00 -
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With regards to religion, I'm not even sure religion plays that big a role, other than metaphorically. As a keynote memory kind of thing(I know, that sounds stupid). It is more directed toward this.
The Unity of Mankind with the God Force. Not any particular denomination or faith. A Universal acceptance of what we are. I see it reflected in every religious theme that crops up. The meaning of life, the universe, and everything.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.21 18:01:00 -
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That's the thing, it does, you're right. Just like the Sun worshipping Talocan hints at both the Minmatar and the Amarr. More duality. And finding balance.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.21 23:56:00 -
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Ya, the thing is, I kept looking around the edge of the rabbit hole and it sucked me in, looking for an answer near the top just draws you deeper in.
Chutes and ladders, interesting, I had not found that. My thinking was that the map almost had o be based upon the Mandala.
Narrowing it down to a specific concept has proved fruitless, so far..
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.22 00:34:00 -
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Some other clues to be considered;
The use of in game boosters and their relationship to Soma. An also obvious correlation to Quafe.
The correlation between the Blood Raiders, Serpentis, Guristas, etc. and the Thugee.
And there are alot more. I am certain I have found but a fraction.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.22 01:12:00 -
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Also the Cow motif is all over Eve. The Cow is sacred in India. It is reflected in the Amarr symbol, the Angel Symbol, the Khanid Symbol and maybe the Jovian Symbol.
The cross someone snapped a photo of was in a Gallente station, I believe. I am unsure of it's relevence, honestly.
Everything I have seen points to a "Hindi Genesis", so to speak. The prior Age(Sun) was rooted in polytheistic sun worship, we have evidence of this in the Talocans. In the classic duality sense we have the diametricly opposed concepts being played out in history. A strong argument for the thesis. Also, a theoretically supposed Second Age of giants fits into the overall theory as well, and it is supported in game.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.22 14:44:00 -
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I looked into the snakes and ladders a bit more. The game is based on the concept of a Markov Chain. My math skills are sub par. Anyone know if this could be the method of wormhole spawning? And can these equations be used to predict wormhole spawning?
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.22 18:37:00 -
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I concur, Roga is going to begin the Blood Stained Stars arc within a day or two.
I get the feeling that maybe the "Sleepers" are looking for something in k space. A hint or something they found amonst the Talocan ruins.
I also get the feeling the items the npc's are collecting are part of creating an "interface" to their "datacores".
Perhaps the lost "Crown" of the Amarr is the interface model. It seems that several cultures are searching for it.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.23 00:41:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 23/11/2010 00:43:33
Yes, just running the first parts of the arc now, the cloven asteroids pose a possible source to the Isogen 5, I agree.
Also of note, I have faced three factions now, Serpenti and Blood Raiders and Rogue Drones. All interested in the same occurence as the Sisters and Concord.
Also of note, every site has had ships of opposing factions littered about as wrecks. The Amarr vs. Matari and Caldari vs. Gallente.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.25 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Amann Karris Actually, more World of Null-A (written by A. E. Van Vogt)
Quote: Seriously tho, as interesting as this all is, can someone explain to me what problem we are trying to solve? Are we really banging our heads together trying to puzzle out what the story CCP is going to tell us is before they get around to doing so? If so, that seems a foolish waste of time.
The assumption here is that there is something in-game to be "found", and that what we see is the end-state of the story being told. Dropbear said it himself; this is a form of interactive storytelling. There is a meta-plot afoot, and though we may not be able to stop some things from happening, perhaps we can have a hand in nudging things along. ;)
P.S.: OH, and don't forget that Sansha's Nation has some interesting things in store for everyone. What's up with that?
LOL, I just wanna walk away, now. I would say your being rather harsh on the Devs with the Null-A comparison, but, then I might be looking too deep, eh?
Retcon FTW...
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.29 01:22:00 -
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Some more puzzle pieces to the mystery. I was exploring tangents into Sansha's part in the mystery. I equated Sansha with Marduk, as hinted, what I saw was an immediate implication of bloodline ties between the Kuvakei's and the Sarpati's. Making Sansha the little brother of the Macaper's Prophecies, what think you?
ôthe cosmetic kiss of the cometsö Still working on this one, considering the particle accelerators, I though perhaps something to do with a collider? Figuring out some quantum formula?
ôroaring stone that silences the world.ö Isogen 5
ôthe appetite of nothing expands over the worldö Sansha's Nation returning
ôthe little brother makes the final sorrowful steps home; he is not welcomeö Ties into the Marduk mythology somehow. Marduk is the younger brother of Inanna, implying kinship ties between the Kuvakei's and the Sarpati's. Sansha is the little brother.
This is an implication as to why noone was uplifted at Intaki. The chronicle about the prophecies was introduced because they are relevent. The comet that deafened the planetside population a side explanation to throw off us ghost hunters.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.29 01:36:00 -
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Which brings us to the next prophecy;
ôWhat was many now becomes one when one becomes fourö
The permutations I began to run seem to stretch into infinity But, I believe it means something like this>
What was many races now becomes one race, when one bloodline becomes four bloodlines What was many bloodlines becomes one bloodline, when one race becomes four races What was many bloodlines becomes one race, when one race becomes four bloodlines What was many races becomes one bloodline, when one bloodline becomes four races
Or something to do with this>
What was many minds becomes one mind, when one mind becomes four minds
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.29 01:42:00 -
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And the final;
ôreturn of the dark light from the heart of the motherö
The heart of the mother is the Eve Gate. Is someone trying to open it? To set the "gods\demons" free to destroy us? The Eve Gate more and more looks like it keeps something out of New Eden. Also to consider, Marduk was seen as a savior of humanity in the myths.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.29 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 29/11/2010 14:41:19 Yes, I did read them. Those are suggested meanings. Nostrodamus' quantrains have been "interpreted" too. Doesn't mean they're right in their interpretation. Doesn't even mean I am..
Why introduce the chronicle if it wasn't in some way related to fiction?
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.30 22:20:00 -
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Yes, and the Ophanim also correspond to the four pillars that uphold the throne of heaven. And they bear a striking resemblence to Sleeper Enclaves. Which makes me think the cardinal directions of North, South, West and East hold some importance. Also, according to alot of traditions, wormhole space looks alot like descriptions of the plane that creation took place in.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.11.30 22:29:00 -
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Theosophics uses cardinal directions and have some interesting theories on "existence". Basically they believe that every star, planet, asteroid belt, quasar, etc. is replecated in seven different planes. They use Geometry to work out Euclidian theories.
Evolution works in these dimensions, run by a hierarchy of ascended beings. The idea is equated with beings going to college to earn a degree in ascendency. In a neverending pulse of evolution. These seven different material planes are connected through the stars. As said, they use geometry to see the intersection lines between these planes. Theoretically, if they put a machine, in a certain spot, they might be able to make a gateway into these other 6 dimensions.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.12.02 05:45:00 -
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I agree, I don't think he is controlling the wormholes so much as exploiting "windows of opportunity".
The hints dropped in the vids are time sensitive. That means he is operating as the opportunity presents itself.
There is a recognizable pattern to wormhole cycling, we just haven't seen it yet, and I still do think we can "bend" the wormhole our way a bit.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.12.09 18:01:00 -
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It is beginning to appear as though the Jove are in the throes of a civil war. Or their war with the Enhuadanni has flared beyond their ability to suppress the evidence. The Jove are linked to the Concord systems and it inconcieveable that they didn't have advanced warning of Sansha, unless Sansha has agents within the Jove, or Sansha is possibly controlled by a Jovian or Enhuadanni faction. The Jove, as stated in fiction, are masters of espionage and intelligence gathering.
The appearance of the Rogue Drone super hives, and their architecture, suggests manipulation by the Jove. And the Drones that interact with humanity present a Jovian appearance. It seems as if the Jove may be sending us a message through the Drones. And all the while, we Capsuleers blithely go on destroying the Drones in missioning, ratting, etc..
We very well may be assisting Sansha to eliminate the last of the Jove who wish us no ill..
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.12.10 17:08:00 -
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My thoughts were that perhaps the nanites were being used to create the Isogen 5. The Druse, formed in Geodes, are the source of the Isogen 5 Fullerites. They are formed by intense heat and pressure, outside of a planet or moon, where can one find intense heat and pressure?
While the nanites are needed to control the reactions of the Isogen 5, they may also be the instrument of it's creation. And also hints at the function of the Oruse Construct.
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2010.12.10 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 10/12/2010 17:29:13 Which brings us to a rather unpleasent notion I had. Diamonds are made from Carbon, that has been subjected to intense heat and pressure. Carbon as we know comes from biomatter that has deposited in the landscape. Anyone see what I'm getting at, here?
Some of the Talocan structures ID as holding pens or some such..
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Roga Dracor
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Posted - 2011.02.28 19:25:00 -
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Yes, Mr. Dagan is a Jovian operative for the SoCT. He apparently passed a drone overide code to the Blood Raiders. My guess is that Jamyl Sarum is another recipient of said code, as the drones were "guarding" and refeuling her super weapon.
The SoCT looks to have been provoking an armageddon (pun intended=) between the Amarr and the Sani Sabik. The Rogue drones were deeply offended by the mere existance of such a code, and worked out a deal with the Empires via the Sister's of Eve.
The Society of Conscious Thought is said to harbor an element that seeks to manipulate Empire. Sort of a sinister Foundation, for those who have read Aasimov.
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2011.03.02 02:59:00 -
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The agent that passes the override code is definately an agent of the Society, it states it in the chronicle, along with mention of a Society Kith that doesn't exist, or is cloaked(there is canon to support this). Though, you have raised the question in my mind, as to where THEY attained it. I hadn't entertained the simplest notion that Jamyl Sarum passed it along to them. Thank you..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2011.03.02 14:59:00 -
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--"You can't, obviously," the voice said. "But you can very much trust us to explode the vessel if you fail. Prepare for acceptance of the data string. And bring the ship to the wrecked station by planet ten, moon two in the Roua system."
The transmission ended. Someone in his crew said, "That's a ... Society of Conscious Thought area, sir."--
The Great Harvest..
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Roga Dracor
Caldari Starfire Oasis Infinite Conflux
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Posted - 2011.03.03 13:15:00 -
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Edited by: Roga Dracor on 03/03/2011 13:25:07 A few points, in relief, the ethical compass of Eve is directionless. There are certainly more than two polarizing opposites. We can presume that there were numerous political\theological entities arriving through the Eve portal. The First Jove Empire, was comprised of eight.
One must certainly contemplate said First Empire of the Jove as the dominant factions of the original Terran Hegemony, whatever that was. On this side of the portal, anyway.
The Gallente could be thought of as Existentialists, too.. The Statics might well represent a theological viewpoint amongt the Jove. Everything is just so fuzzy right now. The Unsullied could be the original driving force of the Tahkmal and Nation. There are ancient bloodlines of the Jove running in us all.
Excepting the Amarr, of course, they trace back to the original Conformists.. And so too might the Jove.. =)
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