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Coffey Black
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Posted - 2010.05.04 21:40:00 -
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Looking for any and all info on suicide ganks. From what I hear 8 1400 arties on an Apoc is the optimal ship. I assume this would be for transports and below, correct?
Also, what would an optimal suicide gank team compilation setup look like? If I could fit 9 T2 1400 arties on an Apoc, would I be turned away for a better ship? And if so, what ship would that be?
I would really like for there to be a full discussion on suicide ganking in this thread, or a link to some good suicide ganking resources.
P.S. If you are in a corp who does a lot of highsec pvp, please contact me.
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churrros
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Posted - 2010.05.05 02:21:00 -
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Edited by: churrros on 05/05/2010 02:24:27 why would you use an apoc with arties?
I actually started playing eve when i heard about suicide ganks(love griefing ppl in mmos)but havent really tried one yet so dont know whole lot about it.
However, from what i hear it takes about 20sec for concord to react in 0.5 sec so i would use a tempest for its rof bonus(but with a same amount of damage per volley)
which means you could fire a second volley if you fail to take down the target in one volley(but to be safe you should be bringing enough mates to kill him in one volley i guess)
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Noskill McCheese
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.05 07:49:00 -
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The thing about the tempest, with its damage bonus at bs 5 you get effectively 7.5 turrets which is worse off till you throw in 2 torp launchers. tempest is best for 0.5 ganks followed by the mael, you will get 2-3 volleys with rof bonus but when you go for ganks in higher sec any ship with 8 turret slots will do as you only get one shot. Apoc is best because its a cheaper teir 2 hull than the other 8 turret bs.
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GetAwayCar
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:09:00 -
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My combat logs show the Concord response time in a .5 system to be 13 seconds. Possibly a shade under because if it was 13 seconds exactly I would get two cycles of my torps, but I don't. |
churrros
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:14:00 -
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^Thx good to know as it will probably be useful sometime
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.05.05 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: The Crushah on 05/05/2010 22:26:57
Originally by: churrros Edited by: churrros on 05/05/2010 02:24:27 why would you use an apoc with arties?
I actually started playing eve when i heard about suicide ganks(love griefing ppl in mmos)but havent really tried one yet so dont know whole lot about it.
However, from what i hear it takes about 20sec for concord to react in 0.5 sec so i would use a tempest for its rof bonus(but with a same amount of damage per volley)
which means you could fire a second volley if you fail to take down the target in one volley(but to be safe you should be bringing enough mates to kill him in one volley i guess)
Despite the ROF bonus on the Tempest, youre lucky if you can get off a second volley in 0.5 system before concord jams you even if you overload.
1400mm artys is advantageous because you get ~15% alpha bonus over the Tempest. One shot, one kill. A properly fit apoc will one shot a Hulk or hauler no problem.
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Noskill McCheese
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.05.06 02:48:00 -
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Sorry yes the pest and mael will only get 2 volleys in 0.5 sec. I never use them for ganks myself, I prefer a 720cane which will get 3 volleys and is more than enough to pop tanked t1 industrials.
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Plocsk
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Posted - 2010.05.06 02:55:00 -
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in 0.6 I know the time to be somewhere between 9-12 seconds. in 0.7 it's 6-9 seconds.
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2010.05.06 17:35:00 -
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I think people underestimate the difficulty of suicide ganking.
I tank my badgers pretty well. If I am flying with allot of stuff I will put on 2 invulns or 1 em and 1 thermal active hardener. Plus a dcu and an aux and 200 plate in the lows. With shield extender rigs and t2 mses in the rest of the mids I get close to 30k ehp. Drake and a raven tried to gank me and I didn't even get past 3/4 shields they were not well coodinated though. My trader alt can't overload either. Even when I am not active tanking because I don't have much in the cargo I have the mses and an em and thermal resistance and get over 15k ehp.
I have seen people try to gank me 2xs. (beside the drake and raven it was a vexor against my completely passive tank) I also came back to see it with low shields after an autopilot run through high sec. Of course if you get several battleships lined up you can kill anything. But this takes teamwork and time. With the 720 hurricane I would think you either have friends or are just hoping for an untanked indie or maybe an afk active tank.
Not saying I would be happy if I was suicide ganked but I would have to give the gankers credit. Even on an industrial it wouldn't be easy.
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Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2010.05.06 22:26:00 -
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Edited by: Lightningshade on 06/05/2010 22:26:39 Hmm - anyone else call troll? "9 T2 1400 arties", "I would like for there to be a full discussion"
Something odd here batman.
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Coffey Black
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Posted - 2010.05.07 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lightningshade Edited by: Lightningshade on 06/05/2010 22:26:39 Hmm - anyone else call troll? "9 T2 1400 arties", "I would like for there to be a full discussion"
Something odd here batman.
Only thing odd is your reading skills. In my unedited OP, there is clearly an "8" instead of your stated "9" in concern of the number of 1400 arties to equip.
Secondly, requesting a full/good discussion on a message board?? Crazy! Clearly I am a troll!! I couldn't be someone who is ignorant of the topic matter seeking advice from people more experienced then me!
Thirdly, thank you to all the folks who have posted before Lightningshade.
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N0N
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Posted - 2010.05.07 09:12:00 -
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Look again chap, you state 9 on an Apoc.
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Coffey Black
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Posted - 2010.05.07 09:17:00 -
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..Well that's just great. Read the first paragraph only =/ My mistake, thanks for pointing it out N0N. Beer + forums rarely seem to work out for me
Still, this is no troll.
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Atrei Capital
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Posted - 2010.05.07 10:28:00 -
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I've heard that on some crazy, cheaply made keyboards, the 8 and 9 keys are right beside each other, making typos easy.
I think we need a wordfilter for 'troll' already on these forums. The logic seems to be..
1) Are you an OP? Troll. 2) Do you disagree with me? Troll. 3) Did you make a slight mistake? Troll. 4) Are you 100% informed by my standards and parroting my opinion? "Wow, someone finally isn't a troll!"
ANYWHO!
Do the older methods, IE, pulsegeddons, blaster megas, torp ravens etc etc still work? Or is the increased CONCORD response time too fast for anything but alpha-BS?
On a <8turret ship, would a heavy neut or two to shut off hardeners/tank be worth the slot?
Can a Brutix still solo a Hulk in a .5-.6 system? |
sentinel22uk
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Posted - 2010.05.07 13:14:00 -
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We do alot of highsec ganks, convo me.
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Coffey Black
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Posted - 2010.05.07 20:45:00 -
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Yeah cheap keyboard must be the culprit. The manufacture of the keyboard I have now is some unknown knockoff called Logitech. Piece of junk...
I better go into hiding tho, before the Troll police spot me. But before I go, I'd still love to hear what anyone has to say on the subject of suicide ganking. Thanks!
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