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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.05.02 17:45:00 -
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Hey folks.
I hate hisec. Period. Unfortunately, it has been a necessary evil for me for some time, as i need isk (and have to watch the sec status as a result.)
I hate watching my sec status.
So, for those of you who are full time KOS in empire, what do you do for isk? Do you actually make enough from piracy to cover losses, or do you use mission running alts or other methods?
Dont need your dirty secrets, just trying to get a feel for what to expect isk wise. Piracy is little fun without a ship, after all. Space is fun! |
Kambiri Zoltana
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.05.02 18:08:00 -
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Its so easy to make isk in this game, if you have yo ask, then your not ready for it.
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Orar Ironfist
Resonance.
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Posted - 2010.05.02 18:11:00 -
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i can actually cover my losses from piracy
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Ava Starfire
Minmatar Nordanverdr Modr
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Posted - 2010.05.02 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kambiri Zoltana Its so easy to make isk in this game, if you have yo ask, then your not ready for it.
Thank you for your overwhelmingly constructive and helpful post. Your imput will be processed, analyzed, and acted upon with all haste. Space is fun! |
VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.05.02 20:03:00 -
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If you can not sustain yourself though piracy, you are doing it wrong. That being said, as eve is a thinking man's game- you will need to be smart to be successful as a pirate. It has gotten harder and harder with each major patch as well. The not so smart tend to be weekend "pirates" that do missions all week long and then try to put on a pirate hat for the weekend.
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Tijdon Kryon
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Posted - 2010.05.02 20:14:00 -
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Well, I would like to think every pirate has an alt they use to not draw attention to them. As alot of successful pirates have bounties on their heads. Why lead a stalker into your home area over a bounty?
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Novantco
The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.02 20:26:00 -
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Wats an "Alt"?
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.02 20:31:00 -
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Depends if you want to be the typical "pirate", or jsut blow **** up.
Don't expect to become instant rich doing pirating, but eventually you will build up if you do things right.
Or just camp the same low sec day in and day out as mister neg ten up there.
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Lt Angus
Caldari the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2010.05.02 21:23:00 -
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If it costs you isk to pirate you are doing it wrong please resize your signature to the maximum allowed file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers |
BuRniZZ
Caldari The Warped Corpe The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2010.05.02 22:33:00 -
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And that is exactly why I'll never be a true pirate. I love throwing my ships in against overwhelming odds. Just because you never know what's gonna happen. From the perspective of a pirate, who pvp for profit, it's wrong, so very wrong. My pvp is costing me tens of millions every week. But from a pvp for fun and nothing else it's oh so right. :D
It means I DO have to do trading/anomalies to make isk though. I actually find trading to be more boring. Lol
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Orar Ironfist
Resonance.
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Posted - 2010.05.03 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: BuRniZZ And that is exactly why I'll never be a pirate at all. It means I DO have to do trading/anomalies to make isk though.
Fixed that for ya
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Jimmyhatt
Final Agony B A N E
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Posted - 2010.05.03 03:24:00 -
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if isk is a factor you shouldn't be a pirate. How you get that isk is up to you.
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The Crushah
Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.05.03 03:25:00 -
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We have discussed before what K:D ratio you need to sustain yourself as a pirate. We calculated it to be a minimum of 20:1, mainly because of the drop in value of loot. Of course there are other ways to earn isk like ransoming and forcing people to eject. But if you lose your ships quicker than approximately every 20th isk making encounter youre gonna lose money.
Its one of the reasons why you need to be really selective as a pirate in combat situations. If you need to sustain yourself, you cant just go looking for good fights unless you have the cash to burn. Otherwise you better be able to smell out Russian bait (always a drake), a ship fitted with a cyno (too many to mention), or someone you know will be able to out-DPS you. Youll probably be called a wuss for not engaging, but thats the nature of piracy.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.05.03 03:34:00 -
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You'll need as many alts as there are neighboring systems to your camp, so you can dock and cry in case a gang half your size might stop by. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Ahkin
Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.05.03 05:27:00 -
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I have like 3 high sec characters All the cool pirates have mining alts.
Having an outside source of money like a few alts allows you to never have to worry about fitting a ship horribly in order to balance the budget.
However, i do have an alliance mate who has made a considerable sum from piracy, and is actually self sufficient in what he does. Its possible, but its hard.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.03 06:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 03/05/2010 06:34:40 It's quite easy to make a mediocre but steady profit. The occasional loot pinata handily pays for 3-4 ships.
I don't remember the last time I ransomed stuff either (well, tbh, you end up in a situation where you can ransom not so often and when you fly BCs and have a few billion in your wallet there's really no need).
If you like expensive ships (HACs, etc) you'll need to be more careful then flying cheap stuff (BC and below). Large gang vs large gang combat will see you losing money (this is where the BANE guy is coming from). You don't need a 1:20 K/D if you remember to salvage the T2 junk as that will often bring in far more ISK then you get out of loot. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
John Caffeine
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.05.03 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: John Caffeine on 03/05/2010 07:17:18 "Real pirates" sits on gates with smartbombing battleships and run to station whenever anything scary is scouted.
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.03 07:52:00 -
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As CEO of a pirate corporation, I can tell you that over 90% of Tuskers request that I set an alt to blue status. Does that tell you anything?
It is possible to make a profit through piracy, but in my opinion it's more fun to do the kind of lowsec piracy that bleeds ISK. Piracy for profit generally means being more selective in who you fight, flying T1 ships, and keeping gang size small. But it's more fun to fight against impressive odds, bet he doesn't have a cyno, fly a pimpmobile, and have friends around.
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Shad0w Hawk
GK inc. Panda Team
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Posted - 2010.05.03 11:44:00 -
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A fact that not many pirates will freely talk about is that there is a direct relation between time spent camping the **** out of a gate or kickout station and turning a profit as a pirate.
Those pirates who go out roaming or engage in any kind of pvp where the opponent could actually win aren't going to see the same profit as a gatecamper.
Both kinds of pirates tend to use alt chars to fund their pvp, usually it'll be the better kind of player, as mostly just idiots are ok with being permanently semi broke or relying on the lootfairy to fund that next ship.
Not to judge anyone but you'll see that most if not all the players in this thread bragging about piracy profit are of the gatecamping kind.
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.03 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shad0w Hawk as mostly just idiots are ok with being permanently semi broke or relying on the lootfairy to fund that next ship.
If funding a set of HG slaves, a set of LG slaves and a set of LG snakes with a couple of billion to spare is being permanently semi-broke, yes.
That said, it is easier to make ISK gatecamping provided you actually get juicy targets in the camp, provided you don't lose ships much and provided you don't do it in a big gang. I know people who made tons of isk solo smartbombing gates, never got onboard that train sadly.
However, roaming with a cost-effective ship like a BC easily pays itself off without that much effort, and ends up making a steady profit over time.
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Steve Mc
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Posted - 2010.05.03 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: John Caffeine Edited by: John Caffeine on 03/05/2010 07:17:18 "Real pirates" sits on gates with smartbombing battleships and run to station whenever anything scary is scouted.
Confirming John is a 'real pirate'
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.05.03 13:44:00 -
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You don't need to maintain any kind of mandatory K:D ratios or anything to turn a profit pirating, or PvPing. That kind of thinking is part of why Lowsec is so stale right now. It all depends on your ship type. If you want to camp gates with HICs, HACs, CSs, and trimarked Battleships then yeah, you probably will need to kill 20 guys to pay off your ship.
I can make a profit flying a t2 fitted Thrasher in 0.0, unscouted, vs other PvPers with a 1:1 KD ratio, which I generally do better way than. And I have a blast doing so, and I have lots of fun engaging ships that I might not even have a chance of taking.
I've gotten a 100m ransom (300m ransom split) from ransoming a Legion in a gang of 3 t1 fitted rifters before. It all depends on where you fly, and how you fly which dictates how agressive you can be with your ship.
T1 Ships, like Hurricanes are great and generally pay their after insurance death back after a single kill. ---
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Raetherana
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Posted - 2010.05.03 14:19:00 -
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Piracy is like the golfing sport - only the rich play. Those that try to make a living in pirating, good luck you wont get very far. If you are the typical Joe, you need access doing lvl 5's or plexing somewhere to maintain your hangar.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.03 14:29:00 -
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My most profitable time PvPing was hunting HACs and Recons down with my HAMDrake. No cap boosters meant plenty of room for loot, and the 8th hislot meant juicy, juicy T2 Salvage that ended up selling for well over 300mil.
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Helmh0ltz
Blue is the New Red
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Posted - 2010.05.03 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ka Jolo As CEO of a pirate corporation, I can tell you that over 90% of Tuskers request that I set an alt to blue status. Does that tell you anything?
It is possible to make a profit through piracy, but in my opinion it's more fun to do the kind of lowsec piracy that bleeds ISK. Piracy for profit generally means being more selective in who you fight, flying T1 ships, and keeping gang size small. But it's more fun to fight against impressive odds, bet he doesn't have a cyno, fly a pimpmobile, and have friends around.
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Commoner
Caldari The Tuskers The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.03 14:50:00 -
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Well even if i look at my efficiency for the last 2 months or so (90%) i'm still slowly bleeding isk because of ship repairs and ammo use.....
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Ravenesa
The Bastards The Tusker Bastards
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Posted - 2010.05.03 16:15:00 -
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The Highsec alts are good for moving stuff in and out of lowsec.
What kill board stats don't show is the amount of ISK you get from loot sales, ransoms, and various other ways of making ISK as a pirate. (This is why we bastards have a ransom board as well) Factor in insurance payouts, the occasional plexing or what not on a slow night, etc, it is very easy to maintain yourself in lowsec and being a pirate. I few good ransoms a month from a smart player will be more then enough to sustain yourself so long as you don't go crazy with T2 hulls and what not. It is not unusual for some of the Bastards to make a few hundred mill a month when you add it all up.
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Sol'Kanar
Private Nuisance
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Posted - 2010.05.03 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ravenesa It is not unusual for some of the Bastards to make a few hundred mill a month when you add it all up.
You can make a couple hundred million doing level four missions in an afternoon. Just think about the fun fights you could have if you were less worried about replacing ships. If you're fighting more, and taking on tougher odds, you may actually improve as a player.
Think about all the fights you have and will run away from for fear of losing isk. All the time wasted looking and then running from an encounter could easily be converted into productive time making money to fund your PvP.
Frankly, I'd take a weekend warrior over a piracy-only funded pirate. Chances are, the former has more fun taking on tougher odds and is pound for pound a better PvP'er than the guy who's wallet is shackled to his kill/death ratio. Private Nuisance Now Recruiting |
ALTOTHEIX
Advocates of Sin
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Posted - 2010.05.03 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Suitonia You don't need to maintain any kind of mandatory K:D ratios or anything to turn a profit pirating, or PvPing. That kind of thinking is part of why Lowsec is so stale right now. It all depends on your ship type. If you want to camp gates with HICs, HACs, CSs, and trimarked Battleships then yeah, you probably will need to kill 20 guys to pay off your ship.
I can make a profit flying a t2 fitted Thrasher in 0.0, unscouted, vs other PvPers with a 1:1 KD ratio, which I generally do better way than. And I have a blast doing so, and I have lots of fun engaging ships that I might not even have a chance of taking.
I've gotten a 100m ransom (300m ransom split) from ransoming a Legion in a gang of 3 t1 fitted rifters before. It all depends on where you fly, and how you fly which dictates how agressive you can be with your ship.
T1 Ships, like Hurricanes are great and generally pay their after insurance death back after a single kill.
right on
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Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
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Posted - 2010.05.03 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Sol'Kanar Think about all the fights you have and will run away from for fear of losing isk. All the time wasted looking and then running from an encounter could easily be converted into productive time making money to fund your PvP.
Frankly, I'd take a weekend warrior over a piracy-only funded pirate. Chances are, the former has more fun taking on tougher odds and is pound for pound a better PvP'er than the guy who's wallet is shackled to his kill/death ratio.
Tbh, weekend warriors in my experience have little PVP experience, prefer ships which do not offer good bang for the buck, and generally speaking die in idiotic ways. Or more often, weekend warriors roll in blobs of weekend warriors to avoid dying in idiotic ways.
It's not imo the ISK risk which really makes people so afraid of engaging in a fun but risky fight, it's the fact people just don't like to lose. You'll see people running from fights they think they'll lose in freaking WOW where death is only a minor annoyance.
From a profit standpoint, not engaging in risky fights means you miss out on various loot pinatas. Bringing moar people, again, less money. So you both have less fun and you get less cash overall, a lose/lose proposition unless you're broke and can't stomach the loss of another ship (in which case you shouldn't be flying it anyway). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
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