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Xikuan
Minmatar Syrkos Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Xikuan on 28/04/2010 22:48:02 I'm a PVE player at the moment, and will be getting into some exploration (WH Space) soon for a while, but my eventual goal has always been to be part of a blob and live in null sec full time.
I'm always checking the corp recruitment forum just to see what 0.0 PVP corps look for in a pilot, and most of them require you to be self sufficient.
My question is How do you fund yourself?
Does almost every 0.0 player have a high sec mission running alt? If so, how do you find the time to run missions to fund your PVP as well as full fill the time sink that most 0.0 corps expect of players?
Of course, if you have a mission running alt, basic maths suggest that you need to spend enough time running missions to make enough ISK to fund the alts playtime (PLEX) plus make enough ISK for your main to PVP, otherwise if you can't, you may as well just sell a PLEX and use the ISK for your main without having to worry about a second account.
Alternatively, are there corps that setup fleets for null sec ratting to help their members fund the PVP action?
I'm thinking that maybe I should start training a Caldari mission running alt now so that when I eventually get my main into null sec it will be able to be an easy missile bs, F1 mashing isk maker.
As you can tell, it's basically just my lack of understanding about life in null, so some stories about your average month in your corp would also be awesome....
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GavinGoodrich
Destry's Lounge Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.04.28 22:57:00 -
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It really varies. Most common method is some form of a highsec/lowsec alt, running level 4's/FW missions/mining/trade/indy/etc etc.
How far you are from empire has a lot to do with it. I loved the Atlas peeps, but where I was a year ago wasn't very logistically sound, being 20+ from the nearest empire hub with no carrier/JF of my own, and I'm not the kind of guy to constantly ask people to do my own work for me...though BOMB was helpful in that regard :D
The deeper you go, the more self-sufficiency you typically need. That, or the better off you are with a bigger alliance with more peeps avail. to help ya out.
"local" 0.0 like syndicate, providence, pure blind, any region next to empire--you won't need a JF or carrier, 99% of the time (if you're not in some major campaign at the time ) Go beyond that, and you'll typically need it more often. \o |
scunner funk
Minmatar Connoisseurs Of Hallucination
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Posted - 2010.04.29 01:01:00 -
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You don't need a second account to live in 0.0, exploration, plexing and ratting give plenty of income but it can get a bit dull. For many people the empire alt is as much a pleasant distraction as a form of income, somewhere to chill and chat with your mates when you're too drunk or tired to press F1 in a competent manner.
The phrase self sufficient is about ensuring you won't be a drain on the corp but they'll quickly spot the difference between someone who just needs a ratting ship jumped out to null and a clueless noob who keeps losing ships and needs help to replace them. If you're remotely competent you'll have no worries.
From a recruitment point of view the fact that you've gone the pve route and asked for advice on the forums should tell the corp that you are more of a cautious "do it right" player than a feet first "do or die" player so worries would more likely center on your pvp ability than your pve ability. That's not a bad or good thing it's just a thing, corps will know what kind of player they need.
If I have any advice it's this:
-> Never think you might not be good enough for a corp, recruitment for smaller corps is hard so there is competition for candidates that you can exploit. You don't have to jump at the first opportunity to get in to 0.0 because there are hundreds of opportunities.
-> Always ask to be invited to a corp chat channel, whoever you join there's a good chance you'll spend a lot of your free time talking to them so if you're a bit conservative and don't want to be surrounded by homosexual atheists (or w/e social groups) it's best to get some chatter going.
-> Ask about logistics, sometimes the pipes are blue and you can jump your ratting ship out from empire yourself, other times you're best letting them jump it out. The point is that they know the best logistics for their area and you'll do well to listen to them.
-> If you haven't already then learn to fly a cov-ops and run bubble camps, 90% of being self sufficient is not dieing every time you need to go pick up a warp scrambler. Training for a blockade runner is one of the best thing you can ever do to make your life easier.
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Sky Mart
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:37:00 -
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It seemed your biggest question is how do you fund yourself.
Best thing is to have a nice nest egg to start. You'll get this from Hi-sec mission running/trading/mining etc.
Once you have enough to have some back up ships your ready for 0.0 (should be probably 10million skill points by now).
I started 0.0 life at around 5 million skill points and to be honest it was a bit challenging to kill the rats out there, although I was helpful at PVP scouting and tackling. So I mined T1 Strips Retriver then Covetor then Hulk on my alt of the same skill range but focused on mining and back then averaged 40 million an hour off crokite. But to do this I had to mine the same belts that others in my Corp were doing as I couldn't tank the rats...but could help mine once they had aggro. We would usually group mine/haul/guard and split the results.
Now in the 25million skill point range in 0.0 I can get on average, in a nicely upgraded system, doing haven's and above solo around 14-16million ISK per update to the wallet(I think that is like every 15 minutes) if I non stop kill and don't loot anything. But to kill that fast I use a Tengu (T3 ship) made to PVE. I seldom make that rate though as I prefer group play so I'll join some of the less skilled guys in Corp up and I usually drop to around 5-7 million per wallet update with 3 in group. My mining alt (now max ORCA pilot) is usually in hi sec doing missions to raise faction with Lai Dai for data cores.
So if you get a decent corp that plays together you can become self sufficient out there on a lower skill point character. If you corp likes to solo it, you'll find it challenging to make ISK before probably 10million skill points. It is doable, but slow (for example a lower skill point corpmate the other day asked for help on a battleship. The battleship couldn't break his tank, but he couldn't break the tank on the battleship either. He said he has used about 10,000 missiles and still hadn't shot through it's sheilds...he is around 5 million skill points, mostly in defense (passive shield tank drake) He decided to mission for his ISK and jump clone back out to PVP or if someone was looking to group he would hop back and help on ratting).
WH Space I've only spent a little time in, but what I have I've found it more lucrative than the current 0.0 space I'm in. Of course I'm not currently in the "real low sec 0.0" as the belts here only go up to Jaspet. I use to live in the Arkonor/Crokite areas...the rats there have higher bounties.
Hope this helps.
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ScottyDosn'tKnow
Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:06:00 -
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I've been living in 0.0 quite awhile now. I started out in drone space and now live in Angel territory. The best way I have found to make is is belt ratting and running anomolies. I have a CNR as my ratting ship, although I've been thinking of going to a tengu.
A lot of other players in my corp scan out plexes and I'll run those with some of them as there is good isk to be made there.
Sometimes even as much as 200mil a plex per person.
Some other mine for their isk and manufacture. Still others run moon mining POS's and do reactions. There are plenty of ways to make really good isk withouh having to have a mission runner alt.
As for logistics it does help having a good market in 0.0 itselt. You tend to pay more due to shipping costs but my alliance is pretty good at seeding the market with everything you need, pvp or otherwise. My corp has a lot of industrialists so I can order a lot of stuff to be made for em if it's not on the market.
Basicly I rat and join in on other isk making oppertunities. When I have some spaer isk I will put togeather a pvp ship or 2 then go back to ratting. this way I always have a personal fleet standing by for fun.
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snugglebutt
GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:32:00 -
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Xikuan
Minmatar Syrkos Technologies
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Posted - 2010.04.29 08:04:00 -
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Thanks for the responses, I must say I'm quite (pleasantly) surprised. I thought I would almost certainly have to invest in an alt.
By the sounds of it, the 0.0 experience varies very much depending on the corp you join. I guess I'm going to have to spend a lot of time chatting with different corps to see where I would be better suited.
Of course, there's still the issue of my lack of PVP experience. But I hope to get some experience (Ivy League/Agony Unleashed Class/Red vs Blue) before I head out to null. |
snugglebutt
GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
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Posted - 2010.04.29 08:57:00 -
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What everyone is trying to say is that EVE is just a space themed chat room. So get some friends and kick it while ratting/mining/plexing/trading/wormholing. |
Slimy Worm
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Posted - 2010.04.29 09:10:00 -
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I rat, it's comparable to mission running and doesn't require the ISK/dollars for a second account. A lot of guys use market characters in their spare slots to scam and stuff like that.
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JASON W0RTHING
future of humankind Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2010.04.29 10:29:00 -
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Just rat/plex. Rat if the system isn't fully upgraded, plex if you have a PDA V. You can make solid income that is comparable to high-sec lvl 4s easily. Also, plexing is virtually risk free if you check local.
I do fine where I am and I have just under 10m sp. I actually prefer plexing/ratting to high-sec mission running, it's a lot like mining that way, I just sit in my drake lock targets and watch my wallet fill up. When I get bored I'll go on a roam or an alliance op or something. But you can make plenty of isk from ratting/plexing.
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Trdius
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:00:00 -
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My experience with 0.0 while limited has been rather educational. You can make good money there just by ratting, just remember you have to be able to get the loot out to sell it for full value. I would say you do not have to have an alt to fund your PVP character, but keep in mind their are a lot of ways to make isk in eve. A good pvp character wants to have good dps and tank among other skills, which is the only thing you really need to rat or mission run. Yes you have to build up your standings to run level 4's, but you can do that by investing in skills or investing time building standings. I think the most important aspect to look at is what ships do you wish to pvp in? With the upcoming insurance increase to t2 ships, losing one of those will not be as big of a loss with a good insurance payout. I can tell you I really ever fly anything bigger than a drake. If I lose one of those I can go buy 20 more. Just never fly what you cannot afford to lose in 0.0 and you will be fine.
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Lady Ayeipsia
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:11:00 -
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There are alternatives to an alt also. I have a friend who left our corp to play in Nul sec. However, he picked up enough standings or join one of the special player corps that let him have a jump clone. Granted, you can only jump once per day, but well... he plays down in nul sec till he needs more money. At that point, as has been suggested, he can run plexes, anomalies, etc. Alternatively, he can clone jump back to high sec and spend his time doing missions, exploring, whing,or whatever else he finds profitable before returning to nul sec the next day or two. And honestly, the alliance/corp he is in does not seem to be upset that maybe once a week he spends a day in hi sec making his ends meet.
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superteds
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Posted - 2010.04.29 19:44:00 -
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plexing/mining/generating the alliance mails by being a price gouger/having a L4 alt.
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Aralieus
Amarr Rising Devils En Garde
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Posted - 2010.04.29 22:54:00 -
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You know some ppl move out to 0.0 to actually make ISK. The risk is greater therefore the rewards usually coincide with that fact. I can probably say with accurate intel that you can make more ISK in 0.0 than high sec doing pretty standard activities.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2010.04.30 01:08:00 -
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I've lived in 0.0 for 4+ years, primarily with a small corp with no alliance ties. I've never had a problem making isk and I've never needed an empire alt. Between rats, exploration, and salvage there's isk all over the place out here.
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