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Byteflux
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Posted - 2010.04.28 19:58:00 -
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Hi pilots,
I recently started engaging in EVE and found it to be entertaining, deeply complex and intricately balanced in the wide variety of game mechanics it offers. Of course, it didn't take long for me to get a subscription ;)
But as I progress through the game further and further into the career that I would like to pursue, I am faced with a dilemma. I enjoy PVP, but I also understand I better be damn rich to afford the abundance of cruisers, battle cruisers or battleships I may lose in that habit. I started thinking and eventually came to the conclusion that I wouldn't be able to afford any of those anytime soon. Here I am, with Gallente Battleship II but I can't even buy a cruiser because I have no decent source of income. I'm also not too fond of ratting in 0.0, because I enjoy soloing a lot, and I'm nowhere near being able to venture into low sec solo (hell, I can't even afford insurance on my Vexor, and oh boy, it took me a long time to get a Vexor).
This started jogging my mind on determining what a decent source of income would be, while also not requiring me to divert from my original career with too much delay. I did some checking around, and mining seemed like a decent detour I could invest training time into. I have a lot of skills required for Mining Barge trained to 3 and 4, it would realistically only take me a few days to get myself in a mining barge.
I'm wondering though, if this is a worthy investment. Will I see return on this investment? Will I still be able to effectively pursue my PVP career without much delay and walk out of it with a nice source of income?
Please, any advice, thoughts and opinions are welcome.
Thanks, -Byte
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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
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Posted - 2010.04.28 20:06:00 -
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Different strokes for different folks. If you want to continue training combat skills, you can make a fair amount of ISK running missions for the NPC agents. But mining is a fairly easy second career to train for, and it can lead you into the industrial side of the game. So, you can go either way. There's nothing in EVE that you have to do.
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Dan O'Connor
Cerberus Network Dignitas.
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Posted - 2010.04.28 21:09:00 -
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Edited by: Dan O''Connor on 28/04/2010 21:10:48
I have recently started with the whole mining and industry thing. My advise to you would be, if you really want to do this long term, that you should skill up for the most popular Mining Barges and Exhumers. For example to start with, you can get into a Retriever relatively quickly - but soon you'll want something better, so Hulk is the way to go.
Maybe at a later stage you wanna go fairly big, so getting an alt and train it up to fly and use an Orca is extremely advisable. Once you have an Orca and Hulk (AND the modulated strip miners II), you'll be in for some pretty quick pocket change.
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If you get an alt for the Orca, you'd have to run two clients at the same time. One flies the Hulk, the other the Orca. ________________________
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Meretrix
Minmatar Dream Raiders
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Posted - 2010.04.28 23:26:00 -
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If your aim is pvp I'd suggest agent running which will make you more money than mining will in hi sec and will allow you to keep training combat skills. Stick running missions with the same corp, get to lvl 4 missions and you'll earn plenty for your pvp habit whilst also being able to practice and train your skills.
But of course it's up to you and you should do what you find the most enjoyable, regardless of what we suggest here.
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Byteflux
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Posted - 2010.04.29 01:17:00 -
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Thanks for all your contributions.
Regarding the last reply, will running level 4 missions have you often cross paths into low security?
Thanks, -Byte
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Sky Mart
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:09:00 -
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It will if you pick a level 4 agent that has lots of low security areas near him.
For example caldari lvl4 agent in Motsu not near low sec can't remember ever getting a low sec mission from him. caldari lvl4 agent in black rise (forget the system) I get a low sec mission about 1 in 10. Easy enough to just skip it (as you can decline 1 mission per 4 hours without a hit to your standing).
I suggest looking at the location of the agent in game, then pulling that system up in say http://evemaps.dotlan.net/ or http://www.ombeve.co.uk/. Ombey's map's are a downloadable .pdf and a little easier to see what is high sec and what is low sec than dotlan is but both are excellent resources.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.04.29 02:30:00 -
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There are other ideas for making ISK in the conveniently named Making ISK guide in the EVElopedia :) [Aussie players: join channels ANZAC or AUSSIES] |
RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.04.29 03:01:00 -
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if you like mining then do it, if not there are other income sources that are probably going to be better!
I find mission running and pvp skills are very similar, so if you want to pvp try missions out. just be careful with advice because some carebears have something wrong with their heads and like over tanking and other random carebear stuff that doesn't make sense.
gank gank gank! throw on a bit of tank and should be good to go! try to get as close to a pvp fit as you can. 1 rep + 3 hardeners is usually a fine tank, could probably do 1 and 2 in lower level missions.
then for pvp you can use pretty much the same ship + setup.
if you have more specific questions about a ship ask here!
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Cathy Drall
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Cathy Drall on 29/04/2010 07:31:33 Yes mission ruinning can be quite profitable and the advantage is that you can keep on training your combat and ship skills.
Find high quality agents for whatever corp you want to do missions for. One warning (in case you didn't know): if you kill a lot of opposite faction ships in missions and/or do the (optional) storyline missions (which increase faction standings), the opposite faction may eventually KOS you so better refuse those kinds of missions. You don't want to be excluded from 50% of empire space.
Skills: - Negotiation will get you +5% more ISK for missions per level; - Social will increase your standings increase; - The Connections skill will boost your standings - you need corp standing to be allowed to do L4. The effect will decrease the higher your standings but its purpose is to get to L4 asap. - Military Connections will increase your LP reward for most combat agents (if you want faction stuff).
For a list of agents look at http://eve-agents.com/
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RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cathy Drall
Find high quality agents for whatever corp you want to do missions for. One warning (in case you didn't know): if you kill a lot of opposite faction ships in missions and/or do the (optional) storyline missions (which increase faction standings), the opposite faction may eventually KOS you so better refuse those kinds of missions. You don't want to be excluded from 50% of empire space.
tbh the tags are more valuable than access to 1/2 of empire. and tbh I'm kos to all empire factions currently don't really miss empire that much.
plus you can always buy a freighter alt or something. only reason to go to gal/min space imo is to pick up some stuff to trade.
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Byteflux
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Posted - 2010.04.29 07:52:00 -
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All the replies in here have been most superb. I thank you all for your informative replies.
I must say I don't find mining to be particularly fun, just thought it would be profitable. But if I can make a decent amount of ISK (just enough to fund my lost battle cruisers and battleships) without mining, I would be happy.
Would any of you say L4 missions are profitable to that extent?
Thanks a bunch, -Byte
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Meretrix
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.29 08:14:00 -
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L4 missions are that profitable. You can pick up 30-40mil a mission with bounties, loot and salvage thrown in. Not bad for a couple of hours work. Gets a lot quick as your skills go up as well. I just do hi sec agents, lvl 4 q17 one at the moment and avoid lo sec to help keep losses to a minimum (pvp takes care of those). There's also money to be made by selling stuff bought through loyalty points, so it does make agent running quite profitable.
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Jaffster
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Posted - 2010.04.29 08:21:00 -
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Hey, I'm quite new to the game too so was in a similar situation. Fortunately, I have a few corp mates who run missions so I took a look on the Eve Agents website (posted above) and started with a level 1 agent for the same faction.
Theology Council, Internal security, all around Ammar, Akraghan etc. 10 days later and I'm up to L3 missions now and I've made around 50mil ISK along the way.
I managed to buy my Drake and I'm currently starting to save for a Raven which will hopefully allow me to run L4's once the standing is up.
Best of luck with it.
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Cathy Drall
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.04.29 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Byteflux Would any of you say L4 missions are profitable to that extent?
You can at least buy a few T1 cruisers a day with modules.
It largely depends on what you're fighting and how quick you can go through those missions. If you just started BattleShips you'll see that some can be pretty hard and take quite a long time to complete. Mission rewards usually are 1 million and up.
If you do missions vs pirates you also get bonusses per destroyed ship: Cruiser: ~ 50k BC: ~ 125k BS: ~250-350k
Next to that you can loot and salvage the wrecks which also can get a few extra million, especially when you get some good drops. Usually people have a dedicated (speed increased) Destroyer (8 slots) with tractor beams and salvagers ready to loot and salvage after the mission objectives are completed.
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Byteflux
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Posted - 2010.04.29 18:39:00 -
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Oh my.
I barely have access to L2 missions, but the way you guys make it sound it seems L4 missions are profitable in both rewards and salvaged goods.
I think I will continue along my current career path and pursue level 4 missions.
Everyone has been of terrific assistance.
If you have any other suggestions please leave a reply, I'm sure myself and other rookies included are probably curious ;)
Thanks so much, -Byte
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Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.05.03 19:25:00 -
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@ OP,
It's certainly open to debate, but Lv 4 Mission Grinding is generally regarded as the best (and relatively easiest) source of ISK in High Sec. Most skilled players can do better Trading, but if you've no particular strength in "buying low and selling high" you'd be much better of aiming for Lv 4s. I like the tears, but at the end of the day, there's a lot of ISK in those mission dead spaces or guys like me would be doing other things.
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namron 7
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Posted - 2010.05.04 13:36:00 -
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If you train for around a month you can get into a hulk. once you do that you will never have any problems with Isk again and it will allow you to fund all the pvp operations you like.
Plus mining is maining an AFK profession. so all you have to do is look every 10 or so minutes at how much ore you have and then dock return and repeat.
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Cate Fenring
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.05.04 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: namron 7 If you train for around a month you can get into a hulk.
A month, really? If you start from scratch it will take 141d 23h 29m 40s. With optimized attributes still 74d 10h 46m 7m.
Of course the OP has some learning skills trained (I presume) but Astrogeology V (3x), Mining Barge V (4x), Mining V and Industry V (both 1x) are not going to be fast. Nor will 30 million in skill books and 135 million for the Hulk be a very attractive prospect.
Not saying it's not a good idea in the long run but I wouldn't underestimate the fact that it's a lot of time and money for a starter character. Training some social skills (Social, Connections) and do L3/L4 missions may be far more suitable for the OP's pusposes and won't really interfere with his skilltraining.
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