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Archangel Auditores
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:15:00 -
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Alrighty so I can afford both ships, skills are not a problem for T2.
I do missioning (L2/L3) mostly for faction gains Money if I loose one is not a problem I wouldn't mind trying one in PvP (Factional Warfare)
But I don't know which one to choose to be honest or why to pick it.
1.) Angel Cartel Machariel OR 2.) Amarr Navy Issue Apoc
thank you so much everyone
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The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc. Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:20:00 -
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1, by a mile ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Archangel Auditores
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:27:00 -
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lol kk the Machariel
By a mile but wondering.....why???
extra mid - more Ewar? Armor tanking? Because when it is skilled properly it can do more then a normal amarr bs can?
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:35:00 -
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The navy apoc is a sniper ship for pvp but that's about it. For pve, a completely standard abaddon beats it. The reason is the navy apoc's lack of a damage or tanking bonus. The machariel on the other hand has a wonderful damage bonus and good range. It also has selectable damage type. That said you may want to give the navy armageddon a look, it's a very good ship for both pvp and pve.
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N Ano
Caldari Onyx Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Archangel Auditores lol kk the Machariel
By a mile but wondering.....why???
extra mid - more Ewar? Armor tanking? Because when it is skilled properly it can do more then a normal amarr bs can?
Because the Machariel is a mile longer than the armageddon Damn I wish I had me a Chimera |
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:58:00 -
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For missions the question makes sense, but if PvP is to be part of it then you are better off swapping the Apoc for the Armageddon before making a decision.
For the FW grinder don't use faction BS unless you absolutely have to, the advantage over regular T1 is not high enough to make a decisive difference in most of the bigger brawls.
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G
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Posted - 2010.04.26 21:59:00 -
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The only reason to ever fly a navy apoc is a low-sp character running lvl4's. It is outclassed in PvP by the navy geddon and in any situation where the navy apoc would be used (fleet sniper) the T1 ship performs equally. ________
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dtyk
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Archangel Auditores lol kk the Machariel
By a mile but wondering.....why???
extra mid - more Ewar? Armor tanking? Because when it is skilled properly it can do more then a normal amarr bs can?
Because it's freakishly fast, and still has fine range, dps and tank, and completely selectable damage types.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2010.04.26 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: N Ano Because the Machariel is a mile longer than the armageddon
It really, really is.
Damn ship is absolutely enormous.
OP: The Machariel basically does everything you could ever want a ship to do. It has high damage (1100+), selectable damage types, decent tracking (thanks, autocannons!), or it can snipe with artillery and MONSTER ALPHA, a decent drone bay, it can armor tank and have 5 mids, it can shield tank and use nanos / TEs, it has a utility high slot, and it's FAST AS HELL.
If I could afford to, I would almost literally never fly any other ship.
Oh, and if that weren't enough... It also looks absolutely, drop-dead gorgeous. ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Calydonian Boar
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Posted - 2010.04.27 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Archangel Auditores lol kk the Machariel
By a mile but wondering.....why???
extra mid - more Ewar? Armor tanking? Because when it is skilled properly it can do more then a normal amarr bs can?
Because machariel is a giant vagabond with more dps and heavy neut :) considering vaga is the king of pvp, then machariel is the king of the kings :)
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Archangel Auditores
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Posted - 2010.04.27 11:46:00 -
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lol okay great so I will keep on my path with the Machariel.
I didn't realise that the Vegabond was that good for PvP.
Makes me kind of wonder why everyone doesn't try to go for either the Vegabond or the Machariel.
Is it just because the costs behind it are so intense that they can't or don't wish to risk it?
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Veliria
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Posted - 2010.04.27 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: Archangel Auditores Makes me kind of wonder why everyone doesn't try to go for either the Vegabond or the Machariel.
Is it just because the costs behind it are so intense that they can't or don't wish to risk it?
The Machariel doesn't shine until you faction/deadspace fit it. That goes double for a shield booster or armor repper.
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Gaia Aemilia
Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.05.01 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Archangel Auditores
Makes me kind of wonder why everyone doesn't try to go for either the Vegabond or the Machariel.
Is it just because the costs behind it are so intense that they can't or don't wish to risk it?
Some of us actually like a challenge instead of jumping on the Vagabond/Machariel bandwagon. Also, with CCP having the tendency to nerf every race and every ship at least once in it's lifetime, it'll be fun when it's the Mach's turn.
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SFX Bladerunner
Minmatar The Hurt Locker Sandbox Bullies
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Posted - 2010.05.01 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: SFX Bladerunner on 01/05/2010 16:20:19
Originally by: Gaia Aemilia
Originally by: Archangel Auditores
Makes me kind of wonder why everyone doesn't try to go for either the Vegabond or the Machariel.
Is it just because the costs behind it are so intense that they can't or don't wish to risk it?
Some of us actually like a challenge instead of jumping on the Vagabond/Machariel bandwagon. Also, with CCP having the tendency to nerf every race and every ship at least once in it's lifetime, it'll be fun when it's the Mach's turn.
You're joking right?
The mach, vaga, typhoon, and basically every minmatar ship with a little bit of speed, has been nerfed REPEATEDLY by CCP.
First nerf: speed nerf mk1 Second nerf: tackle nerf mk1 Third nerf: speed nerf mk3
If you seriously think it hasn't been nerfed enough you are either a newbie that wasn't there for all the nerfs, or you are just plain ignorant.
Also, the reason not everyone and their grandmother flies a machariel, as mentioned earlier, is that you have to AT THE VERY LEAST faction fit it (and a deadspace booster/repper is kind of mandatory really). Other than that YES it is an AWESOME ship, and yes it does perform A WHOLE LOT of things VERY VERY WELL... but the problem is that at 700mil for the ship ALONE you could buy 5 T2 fit battleships and still have money left over (insurance calculated in obv since mach doesn't have insurance)
In case of the vagabond, at the moment there is one VERY good reason not to buy one, and it's called the Cynabal. Another big problem the vaga has is that it isn't THAT MUCH faster than for instance a nanoed hurricane. The hurri however DOES do more damage and DOES have more buffertank. Sure it won't catch a vaga.. but it'll catch most (if not all) of the targets a vaga could catch. And then once you factor in the price after insurance I really can't think of a good reason why anyone shouldn't buy 3-5 canes instead of one vaga. __________________________________________________
History is much like an endless waltz, the three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever.. |
RentableMuffin
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Posted - 2010.05.01 22:00:00 -
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what about the nightmare
although if you are mostly doing 2/3s why not just get a faction cruiser or battle cruiser?
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Xenofarion
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.05.01 22:24:00 -
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Or just blitz the L2/L3s with an Assault Frigate (Wolf, Ishkur..) for awesome Standings and LP/hour ratio? -- those who can, do those who can't, complain |
Teinyhr
Minmatar Nor'akho Matar
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Posted - 2010.05.01 23:19:00 -
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Edited by: Teinyhr on 01/05/2010 23:20:16 Wait.. You're getting a faction BS for lvl2's and 3's? Okay, seriously, don't. Get a Drake like everyone and their grandmother if you care in the slightest about efficiency. For PvP, again, as others have said Machariel is miles better but you should only take it out in specifically BS fleets as it has a big whopping "SHOOT ME FIRST FOR AN AWESOME/LOLLAGE -KILLMAIL" sign attached to it. Being in a BS fleet it'll likely be primaried as well but you'll have a slightly higher chance of seeing another day with the ship. And there is much more to the ship's cost than just the ship, as people have mentioned a "properly fit" Mach will easily be near 2 billion ISK in worth and over, depending on how much you want to pimp it. ------------------- This is Sig. Launch every Sig. For Great Justice. |
Techno Panda
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Posted - 2010.05.02 04:44:00 -
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Its all about preference, Mach is nice, but I would prefer the Navypoc because its sexier :), also it has unlimited ammo, and its an Apocalypse... the name alone means Death to Everything
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.05.02 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Techno Panda Its all about preference, Mach is nice, but I would prefer the Navypoc because its sexier :), also it has unlimited ammo, and its an Apocalypse... the name alone means Death to Everything
To be pedantic, the name actually means "lifting of the veil".
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Headerman
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Posted - 2010.05.02 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: Archangel Auditores Alrighty so I can afford both ships, skills are not a problem for T2.
I do missioning (L2/L3) mostly for faction gains Money if I loose one is not a problem I wouldn't mind trying one in PvP (Factional Warfare)
But I don't know which one to choose to be honest or why to pick it.
1.) Angel Cartel Machariel OR 2.) Amarr Navy Issue Apoc
thank you so much everyone
I would mind seeing you get more skills up, then you would realise that mentioning Mission L2 and L3's and the Machariel in the same sentence is ridiculous.
If you REALLY want to pwn at L2 and L3's, a Fleet issue Stabber does them easily. Certainly a waste of time and money using a Mach for them.
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Parkway
Spawns of Thanatos Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.05.02 11:18:00 -
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mmmmmmmm [url=http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Parkway][/url] |
Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.02 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gaia Aemilia
Originally by: Archangel Auditores
Makes me kind of wonder why everyone doesn't try to go for either the Vegabond or the Machariel.
Is it just because the costs behind it are so intense that they can't or don't wish to risk it?
Some of us actually like a challenge instead of jumping on the Vagabond/Machariel bandwagon. Also, with CCP having the tendency to nerf every race and every ship at least once in it's lifetime, it'll be fun when it's the Mach's turn.
TBH I doubt CCP will be nerfing the mach, at lest not in the next year or so. The thing is as fast as your average HAC, which for a BS is amazing, but still means that there are several HACs (and every single ceptor/other frig sized ships) that can catch it no problem, so the problem isn't nearly as pronounced as it was before the most recent nano nerf (also I remember the nano nerf where nanophoons/nanodomis got nerfed, and the most recent one, but what was the third? ) |
Raetherana
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Posted - 2010.05.03 15:42:00 -
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One word, Bhaalgorn
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Beverly Sparks
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Posted - 2010.05.03 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: RentableMuffin what about the nightmare
although if you are mostly doing 2/3s why not just get a faction cruiser or battle cruiser?
Not sure why he would want a BS for doing level 2/3 missions either.
I would definitely be pimping out something with medium sized weapons. Since you will almost never be trying to kill any BS's.
If money is no object, I would just pimp out a drake and use faction missiles all the time.
A drake can clear a level 2/3 mission in no time. You would not gain much time in any BS, if at all. Plus what do you do when your BS is too big to go through the Acceleration Gate.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.05.03 22:24:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri It also looks absolutely, drop-dead gorgeous.
If Tom Jones flew a Machariel, he would call her Black Betty.
-- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
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uredo
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Posted - 2010.05.04 11:03:00 -
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I wouldn't fly either.
You will get focus fired first every single time, unless the enemy fleet is completely brainless.
So unless you like being the first to die every time you go out, just give me the cash you would have spent on them for my great advice.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2010.05.04 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: uredo You will get focus fired first every single time, unless the enemy fleet is completely brainless.
That sounds perfect. Since they can't do significant damage a Machariel orbiting them 50 km away at 4,000m/sec, it will be easy for the Machariel and his fleet to wipe them out while they sacrifice ship after ship trying to tackle Black Betty.
And what if there are two Machariels, and a Bhaalgorn and a Cynabal or seven? Throw in some Scimitars for good measure. Bring a Nighthawk for good measure. After all, we got Machariels and Cynabals in fleet.
It's always a bad idea to suicide your Pirate BS. But that isn't the automatic outcome of any fleet engagement one might participate in while flying one. If you can roll in a pirate BS, you can probably roll with some friends in pirate BS, which is ideal. Then everybody is primary!
-- Nah, that's just my Asperger's kickin' in.
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Iteken Hotori
Minmatar Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.05.06 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: uredo I wouldn't fly either.
You will get focus fired first every single time, unless the enemy fleet is completely brainless.
So unless you like being the first to die every time you go out, just give me the cash you would have spent on them for my great advice.
You, my son, have Absolutely No sense of style.
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