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Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.09 03:50:00 -
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Or just plain dropping dreads on a tower and reinforcing it in 5 minutes. |
Vaarkk
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
42
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:35:00 -
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Quote:im a pubby and im proud
HOLY MOTHERDUMPSTER YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL PUBBIE RIGHT. WHAT A NERD. |
Harold Tuphlos
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:42:00 -
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This is a bad thread and I am +1ing my post count in it. |
Anhenka
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.07.09 04:57:00 -
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Gameplay without counters bad, mk?
A: lot of tech scattered around lowsec. You propose Large nullsec alliances attempt to blockade all of lowsec and kill anyone in any system with a tech moon?
B: No, even the largest alliances and coalitions in the game cant control space perfectly on an individual level. That would require competent, attentive Hics and Dics and decloakers, fast locking ships at every single point where enemies could enter and leave.
And once in a system, there is no way to decloak a cloaked target, they could just sit around reducing the tech income by popping up, firing an anti-tech probe from the probe launcher, and cloaking back up. Hell, do it with a BO BS, and you can even bridge your own haulers in and out to infinitely replenish probes. Cloak when online, unable to be scanned when offline.
And during none of this would it be realistically possible to stop it. That's bad gameplay all around.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1159
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Posted - 2012.07.09 05:00:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Hedion's oracle wrote:Mention TEC and Goons come outta the woodwork. TEC nerf you say? Not happening. Only thing CCP understands it seems is massive Unsub threats and thats not far off the way things are going it seems. The ironic thing is Mittani was pushing for a Tech nerf while he was chairman... Then the raging playerbase wanted him removed. Now he's gone & no one is pushing for a Tech nerf. Nooo! You're getting reason all over this crap thread! *shrug* Well that's just the way things worked out, I guess.
At least -A- can take heart that titans were alreafy nerfed, as we hotdrop titans on them, causing them to have to hurriedly dock. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
nate555
GODHC INTERSTELLAR FLEET Primal Force
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Posted - 2012.07.09 06:24:00 -
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
581
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Posted - 2012.07.09 06:34:00 -
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I love it when angry babbies make thread imploring CCP to nerf the evil goonies because the angry babby isn't smart or organised or dedicated enough to come up with ways to defeat us himself. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
dexington
Lysergic.acid.diethylamide
30
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Posted - 2012.07.09 06:50:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Add a special probe that can reduce moon mining efficiency by, say, 50% for X period of time. This bomb could be fired by probe launchers and used to disrupt moon mining by making the moon's output lower.
I don't think disputing moon mining is going to have the effect you hope for, it's most likely just going to make technetium prices increase. Technetium is a key component in T2 production, and the demand for it is not going to go away because you disrupt moon mining.
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Irya Boone
Escadron leader La League des mondes libres
18
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Posted - 2012.07.09 06:56:00 -
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I can see so much anger in this thread , so much hate ,
We shall all take 3 minutes to hug each other ....
Humm sorry it's my little sister who wrote the 2 sentences before ... All i can say : OP ? why don't you just form an alliance to take back by Force the tech moon ?? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1159
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Posted - 2012.07.09 07:29:00 -
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Irya Boone wrote: All i can say : OP ? why don't you just form an alliance to take back by Force the tech moon ?? Join SoCo, they're defeating us with the wrecks of their structures. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
871
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Posted - 2012.07.09 07:32:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Add a special probe that can reduce moon mining efficiency by, say, 50% for X period of time. This bomb could be fired by probe launchers and used to disrupt moon mining by making the moon's output lower.
You realise the CFC would have an army of people who do exactly this and ONLY this to absolutely everyone in nullsec right? hundreds of dedicated people daily destroying moon mining activities of all teh poor guys out there, making them even poorer.
Or is it simply an anti Goon weapon that only works on CFC moons? Coz im sure lots of guys will get behind that idea. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
108
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Posted - 2012.07.09 07:39:00 -
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The null bears will do whatever they can to stop CCP from nerfing tech... plain and simple and CCP won't do it as they full well know that the HS players won't unsub over any of this and that is the main player base of the game.
CCP has been caught many times helping one alliance (t2 BPO's ftw) so really what's to let anything think they are not now?
Tech, even just moons are broken... it is plain and simple to see... botting ore... no good, massive afk mining a moon for how many billions... that has it's own defences too.... no problem.
The goons come here to cry knowing that tech is what helps keep their CFC togeather, and with out it... TBH what would hold it all togeather?
O right, nothing really. |
ugh zug
24
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Posted - 2012.07.09 07:47:00 -
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moon mining removed, problem solved. Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |
Lord Zim
987
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Posted - 2012.07.09 11:56:00 -
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adam smash wrote:The null bears will do whatever they can to stop CCP from nerfing tech... Stop lying. |
Pyotr Kamarovi
EVE University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2012.07.09 12:02:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Add a special probe that can reduce moon mining efficiency by, say, 50% for X period of time. This bomb could be fired by probe launchers and used to disrupt moon mining by making the moon's output lower. RFed moons produce no Tech for the duration of their RF timer.
I've never participated in a POS bash, so how long does it take to reinforce a tower?
EDIT: Some people seem to be suggesting removing moon mining, which is really silly, because moon mining is one of the reasons for null-sec alliances to exist and for null-sec wars to happen. They're a strategic resource that must be captured - I don't need to be a veteran player to know that. At worst CCP could re-allocate moon resources, but that's kind of cheating. |
Lord Zim
987
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Posted - 2012.07.09 12:13:00 -
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Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:Add a special probe that can reduce moon mining efficiency by, say, 50% for X period of time. This bomb could be fired by probe launchers and used to disrupt moon mining by making the moon's output lower. RFed moons produce no Tech for the duration of their RF timer. I've never participated in a POS bash, so how long does it take to reinforce a tower? Depends on what you bring and how the POS is setup, but even dickstars can be smugcycled by a sensibly sized dread fleet.
As to the whole "well reduce the tech output by 50%" suggestion, by all means go ahead, I'd love to see tech go past 250k/unit because the supply is even further out of whack compared to demand. It's a great idea. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
133
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Posted - 2012.07.09 12:26:00 -
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CCP will never balance tech because it'd harm their favouritest big alliances |
Lord Zim
987
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Posted - 2012.07.09 12:28:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:CCP will never balance tech because it'd harm their favouritest big alliances Stop lying. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8440
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Posted - 2012.07.09 12:30:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:CCP will never balance tech because it'd harm their favouritest big alliances Really? And here I thought that the tinfoil theory was that CCP loved goons, but you're apparently wearing a hat of some different material.
Which alliances do you mean? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Exhale.
134
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Posted - 2012.07.09 12:38:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:CCP will never balance tech because it'd harm their favouritest big alliances Stop lying.
Oh please, everyone and their dog can see the balance/bottleneck issues with tech/moons in general. It's an area CCP are extremely slow to move on. Hell, even mittani spoke about the tech issue. CCP are far too worried about disrupting anything for the big recognizable 0.0 alliances in EVE, though. They're fine with rushing out poorly thought out mechanics in many other areas (walking in stations, incursions, war dec mechanics in inferno 1.0 and then again in 1.1... etc) and just watching the **** hit the fan and cleaning it up later, but they fret and fuss and ultimately do nothing over 0.0 things for far too long. |
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1128
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Posted - 2012.07.09 12:53:00 -
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Goons were still goons before they got their hands on Tech. So while Tech does indeed need to be dealt with, i'm not sure why they get the ire they do because of a CCP oversight. My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1162
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:04:00 -
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Tippia wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:CCP will never balance tech because it'd harm their favouritest big alliances Really? And here I thought that the tinfoil theory was that CCP loved goons, but you're apparently wearing a hat of some different material. Which alliances do you mean? TEST Alliance (Please Ignore)
And of course let us never forget Northern Coalition. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lord Zim
989
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:08:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Lord Zim wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:CCP will never balance tech because it'd harm their favouritest big alliances Stop lying. Oh please, everyone and their dog can see the balance/bottleneck issues with tech/moons in general. It's an area CCP are extremely slow to move on. Hell, even mittani spoke about the tech issue. CCP are far too worried about disrupting anything for the big recognizable 0.0 alliances in EVE, though. They're fine with rushing out poorly thought out mechanics in many other areas (walking in stations, incursions, war dec mechanics in inferno 1.0 and then again in 1.1... etc) and just watching the **** hit the fan and cleaning it up later, but they fret and fuss and ultimately do nothing over 0.0 things for far too long. Okay, let's go about this a different way, then: do you have any proof for your allegation that CCP aren't balancing tech "because it'd harm their favouritest big alliances"? Because last I checked, we'd started preparing for a tech-less world even before mittens began pushing for tech to be rebalanced. We're ready, we don't care, but as long as CCP aren't fixing it we'll exploit it. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:17:00 -
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If you want to fix it, remove it. The imbalance it has created has become far too great. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
Lord Zim
989
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:23:00 -
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Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:If you want to fix it, remove it. The imbalance it has created has become far too great. If you're thinking about the current north vs south war, the problem isn't economics, the problem is we're not ****, whereas -A- is ****.
This could've been the war to redefine the scale at which all wars in eve are fought, and -A- actually put up less of a fight than when the NC was removed from the game, and this has nothing to do with numbers or tech, and everything to do with morale, and -A- having none. They literally announced a retreat of all resources to NPC stain within 2 days of us saying "we're going south". |
dexington
Lysergic.acid.diethylamide
30
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:26:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Oh please, everyone and their dog can see the balance/bottleneck issues with tech/moons in general. It's an area CCP are extremely slow to move on.
I recently watched last years alliance tournament, and one of the devs being interviewed talks about the technetium bottleneck problem, and how the design of reactions makes it hard to change. It sounded like they were looking at a change the involved changing the reaction tree, which sounds like one way to change the value of technetium while keeping the price on T2 items stable. |
SetrakDark
DarkCorp Capital Group DarkCorp Imperium
114
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:49:00 -
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CCP aren't "protecting" anything. The people with the most tech want it to be balanced because it makes for **** gameplay.
CCP are slow to move because it's an incredibly complex system, and they're likely to just **** it up again for three more years if they don't come up with a solid permanent solution.
More than anything, people in nullsec like compelling gameplay. If it was all about endless ISK fountains, they wouldn't be in nullsec in the first place. The current moongoo imbalance makes for ****** gameplay on the grand strategic stage, and everyone would benefit from a fix. |
Lord Zim
989
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:52:00 -
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dexington wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Oh please, everyone and their dog can see the balance/bottleneck issues with tech/moons in general. It's an area CCP are extremely slow to move on. I recently watched last years alliance tournament, and one of the devs being interviewed talks about the technetium bottleneck problem, and how the design of reactions makes it hard to change. It sounded like they were looking at a change the involved changing the reaction tree, which sounds like one way to change the value of technetium while keeping the price on T2 items stable. There are essentially two things they can do to "quickly fix" the tech bottleneck.
1) Rebalance the moongoo consumption in T2 components 2) Add alchemy to every tier of moongoo.
I think that if they'd redone the 1) option back to what it was before tech became the major bottleneck, it'd still be an improvement, because while the neo/dyspro moons were valuable, they weren't limited to the northern areas.
And it's not like the south is fully worthless either, despite what they'll have you think. |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
172
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:57:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:dexington wrote:TheGunslinger42 wrote:Oh please, everyone and their dog can see the balance/bottleneck issues with tech/moons in general. It's an area CCP are extremely slow to move on. I recently watched last years alliance tournament, and one of the devs being interviewed talks about the technetium bottleneck problem, and how the design of reactions makes it hard to change. It sounded like they were looking at a change the involved changing the reaction tree, which sounds like one way to change the value of technetium while keeping the price on T2 items stable. There are essentially two things they can do to "quickly fix" the tech bottleneck. 1) Rebalance the moongoo consumption in T2 components 2) Add alchemy to every tier of moongoo. I think that if they'd redone the 1) option back to what it was before tech became the major bottleneck, it'd still be an improvement, because while the neo/dyspro moons were valuable, they weren't limited to the northern areas. And it's not like the south is fully worthless either, despite what they'll have you think. Sounds good. So what is CCPs deal??? Why years to make a much needed change?! (it has been like two or three right? I forget) |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
145
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:05:00 -
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adam smash wrote:
The goons come here to cry knowing that tech is what helps keep their CFC togeather, and with out it... TBH what would hold it all togeather?
Now I am no fan of the Goons, but in their defense their brains and leadership do call for a tech nerf. It's just the faceless, nameless, and brainless Goon grunts that don't matter that are saying tech is fine. |
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