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Taharqua10
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Posted - 2010.04.17 09:45:00 -
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If you are cynoing into a large POS how close can the cyno be to the POS Shields?
It is always better to be as close as possible to the shield but does the cyno need to be at 5K from the shield like a station or can you put the cyno at 0K outside the shields?
I know you can bounce off a station if your under 5K but does it matter with POS shields?
Thanks for any help
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Bael Gar
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Posted - 2010.04.17 10:00:00 -
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You can put cyno on the very edge of the POS shield (0 km) But you capital ship cannot jump iside shield. It will be always outside. So there is no "bump" effect in case of POS field.
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Zagdul
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Posted - 2010.04.17 14:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zagdul on 17/04/2010 14:24:33
Originally by: Bael Gar You can put cyno on the very edge of the POS shield (0 km) But you capital ship cannot jump iside shield. It will be always outside. So there is no "bump" effect in case of POS field.
This is incorrect. I've been Cyno'd right inside a POS shield before. However, the behavior on how and where the ship accepting a cyno lands can be "controlled"
Some tricks I've learned...
Light the cyno between POS guns and the shield with the cyno ship slightly closer to the POS guns thus forcing the cap ship towards the shields. This is not an exact science and doesn't always work, but does increase the chance for your ship to land inside the shields.
The Cyno ship is not "attached" to the cyno field. You can be bumped off of it and if you're really good... you can slide into a shield (18km M POS, 27 L never did a S). We do this where we have hostile space and our cyno ships get bombed.
Use an Augeror (sp) or similar cruiser who gets energy transfer bonuses as your cyno ship. With ships like a Rorqual, the cap recharge sucks and multiple jumps without a station can take a loooong time.
Dual web all your cyno ships. Provided your POS doesn't have "attack on aggression" (most stupid setting ever... STANDINGS > AGRESSION CCP!!! FIX IT PRETTY PLEASE... oh and a pony), you can insta warp the incoming cap ships.
This is the biggest pro-tip ever. While anchoring a new POS, you can light the cyno before entering your PW to activate the harmonic thus landing your caps inside the shields.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2010.04.17 15:11:00 -
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I can tell you which features are suddenly about to be "Fixed". Thanks poster above me _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008 WIP
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Anvalor
Gallente Germania Inc. Unaffiliated
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Posted - 2010.04.17 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Zagdul
The Cyno ship is not "attached" to the cyno field. You can be bumped off of it and if you're really good... you can slide into a shield (18km M POS, 27 L never did a S). We do this where we have hostile space and our cyno ships get bombed.
Try this and have a friend petition it right after. See how fast the GM arrives and post here what happened to the char that made the cyno
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.04.17 21:36:00 -
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/facepalm __________
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Venantius
Gallente Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2010.04.17 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Zagdul
The Cyno ship is not "attached" to the cyno field. You can be bumped off of it and if you're really good... you can slide into a shield (18km M POS, 27 L never did a S). We do this where we have hostile space and our cyno ships get bombed.
You always were fairly incompetent; so I am not really surprised you exploit. Go banhammer go!
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CCP Applebabe
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Posted - 2010.04.18 04:32:00 -
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Moved from EVE General Discussion.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.18 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: Venantius
Originally by: Zagdul
The Cyno ship is not "attached" to the cyno field. You can be bumped off of it and if you're really good... you can slide into a shield (18km M POS, 27 L never did a S). We do this where we have hostile space and our cyno ships get bombed.
You always were fairly incompetent; so I am not really surprised you exploit. Go banhammer go!
Sliding is exploit, bumping should be allowed afaik.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.18 09:48:00 -
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Does capitals really only bounce on station jumps? Seems a little biased/prejudiced. I say we lobby to have them bounce on ALL instances where bounces normally happen (shields, anchored cans, guns/sentries etc.)
Originally by: Zagdul Whoopsie
One of those points is an exploit as already mentioned and thus against forum rules and the EULA. Edit it before you are petitioned.
Same goes for all you who carelessly quoted it (ie. also posted it = breaking same rules).
PS: Would be so much easier to avoid if CCP made an easily accessible list of known exploits, just needs a sensible naming scheme so as to not instruct but merely inform readers.
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Hurtado Soneka
Caldari Costolle Military Assistance Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.18 10:23:00 -
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sliding?
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Clb
The Intersect
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Posted - 2010.04.18 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Sliding is exploit, bumping should be allowed afaik.
A ship with an active cyno cannot be inside a forcefield. Anything that puts it there is an exploit.
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Omal Omal
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Posted - 2010.04.18 10:25:00 -
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Edited by: Omal Omal on 18/04/2010 10:25:53 ..
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Zagdul
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Posted - 2010.04.18 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Zagdul on 18/04/2010 10:36:58
Originally by: Venantius
Originally by: Zagdul
The Cyno ship is not "attached" to the cyno field. You can be bumped off of it and if you're really good... you can slide into a shield (18km M POS, 27 L never did a S). We do this where we have hostile space and our cyno ships get bombed.
You always were fairly incompetent; so I am not really surprised you exploit. Go banhammer go!
Zagdul is under new management, so you probably have me confused.
I've never seen or read anywhere that it's an exploit. If CCP didn't want it to be used, they'd attach the cyno to the ship and freeze it in place.
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Does capitals really only bounce on station jumps? Seems a little biased/prejudiced. I say we lobby to have them bounce on ALL instances where bounces normally happen (shields, anchored cans, guns/sentries etc.)
Originally by: Zagdul Whoopsie
One of those points is an exploit as already mentioned and thus against forum rules and the EULA. Edit it before you are petitioned.
Same goes for all you who carelessly quoted it (ie. also posted it = breaking same rules).
PS: Would be so much easier to avoid if CCP made an easily accessible list of known exploits, just needs a sensible naming scheme so as to not instruct but merely inform readers.
Can someone from CCP please post where it's an exploit or confirm this?
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Clb
The Intersect
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Posted - 2010.04.18 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zagdul Can someone from CCP please post where it's an exploit or confirm this?
Petition it and ask.
I would post the response I received but that would be against the rules.
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.18 19:23:00 -
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It has already been petitioned to hell and back.
One example.
Furthermore, I believe one of the Revelation patches added an error when trying to open a cyno while travelling at speed (>500m/s) .. the fact that was done should be more than enough evidence that it is an unwanted "feature". CCP are probably not able to fix it without breaking everything else (ie. normal inertia function and legitimate cynos close to shield), so have to declare it an exploit and take it as it comes.
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Omal Omal
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Posted - 2010.04.20 07:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida It has already been petitioned to hell and back.
One example.
Furthermore, I believe one of the Revelation patches added an error when trying to open a cyno while travelling at speed (>500m/s) .. the fact that was done should be more than enough evidence that it is an unwanted "feature". CCP are probably not able to fix it without breaking everything else (ie. normal inertia function and legitimate cynos close to shield), so have to declare it an exploit and take it as it comes.
Thanks for confirming.
I'll stop using this and inform my alliance.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.20 07:37:00 -
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A corp mate who petitioned someone using the bumping tactic got response it was allowed...
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Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
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Posted - 2010.04.20 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer A corp mate who petitioned someone using the bumping tactic got response it was allowed...
Sounds like CCP GMs , would personally err on the side of caution and advise against it.
If the sliding is unwanted it can only be because it allows a cyno ship to be safe while field is active and bumping achieves same result .. so logically it fall under same intent. Would be so much easier if CCP added code that cycled generator off when inside shield, like a MWD is cycled off when hit with a scram, but C'est la vie
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Clatita
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.05.05 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida Would be so much easier if CCP added code that cycled generator off when inside shield, like a MWD is cycled off when hit with a scram, but C'est la vie
Tbh i think that would be an even more unwanted effect. If someone lights a cyno he's stuck there for as long as the cyno takes and thus vulnerable. If bumping into pos shields would deactivate it he'd be out of harms way. The cyno is down but you have enough time during 10 seconds to jump a carrier in before anyone would drop out of warp ontop of you and then you're safe. So no risk at all to the cyno-ship. :)
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