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Rob Z0mbie
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Posted - 2010.04.15 22:57:00 -
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i've been thinking on whether or not to get a new computer to play eve on.
either spent 1000eur on a box computer,
or 1500 euros on a notebook strong enough. (an ASUS gamers republic or an IBM w700)
i'm a student, and recently i've been on transit alot, i'm not sure if the notebook would deliver, or if i could handle the logistics of moving a box next time i move.
what would you do in my stead? suggestions ?
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Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Cat o''Ninetails on 15/04/2010 23:04:27 I've never had a portable machine, though I have always craved one. Personally, I would never substitute a good home machine for a half way decent portable. If a portable was all I had, I'd have to use it at home as well, and would likely not appreciate the limitations that it comes with.
You'd also need to consider that if you're on the move, your internet connection is going to be unreliable at best. Beef up the box imo lol
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edited: my teacher was wrong about my english skills lol ♥ VOTE CAT ♥
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:11:00 -
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As a student I'd get the laptop, unless you want to just get both :P
Just get an lcd or something later, keyboard and mouse, cooling pad and it'll be just like having a desktop when you're at home.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:18:00 -
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I've been able to load up and fly around in EVE on a Dell Inspiron 11z laptop with a relatively crappy processor and the definitely crappy built-in Intel Graphics card. You just put the graphics settings on medium, and there don't seem to be any issues. The laptop was $600.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:20:00 -
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If portability is important, a powerful laptop will do for EVE. Get a mouse. Desktops are always better for gaming though.
Originally by: Barakkus Just get an lcd or something later, keyboard and mouse, cooling pad and it'll be just like having a desktop when you're at home.
If he gets all that, then he just needs to add one box and he has a desktop setup anyway. This makes sense if the problem is being able to play when away from home, but I think the difficultly of moving all his gear to new accommodation is the issue? Not sure. -
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn If portability is important, a powerful laptop will do for EVE. Get a mouse. Desktops are always better for gaming though.
Originally by: Barakkus Just get an lcd or something later, keyboard and mouse, cooling pad and it'll be just like having a desktop when you're at home.
If he gets all that, then he just needs to add one box and he has a desktop setup anyway. This makes sense if the problem is being able to play when away from home, but I think the difficultly of moving all his gear to new accommodation is the issue? Not sure.
Yeah but walking that setup down the street or whatever when you move is a lot easier than lugging a desktop around :P
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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B0rn2KiLL
DEATHFUNK Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: B0rn2KiLL on 15/04/2010 23:30:25 box
tbh. ---
Originally by: Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Yeah but walking that setup down the street or whatever when you move is a lot easier than lugging a desktop around :P
The box for my monitor is bigger than the box for my case.
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Rob Z0mbie
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:36:00 -
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Quote: I think the difficultly of moving all his gear to new accommodation is the issue
correct.
for now im tallying the votes and checking out the vs/pro arguments, i'm leaning towards a notebook so far though, but i'm also tempted to get a box :/
the notebook i'm thinking of getting is either an IBM W700 with Nvidia Quadro FX 2700M, or the Asus gamers republic with it's HD5870 mobility, both at 1GB DDR5.
both almost at the same price range.
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:37:00 -
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I'd suggest getting a box comp for playing and a cheap laptop/netbook/etc. for school stuff on the go.
But that's just me. I hate playing on laptops and rather use cheap ones since I tend to accidentally them often.
PS : Also, small factor rigs are very easy to move, and unless you go with a 30"+ monitor I doubt you'd have any problems moving around with it. __________
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:42:00 -
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Edited by: Crumplecorn on 15/04/2010 23:42:07
Originally by: Rob Z0mbie Nvidia Quadro gaming
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Rob Z0mbie
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:42:00 -
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what's a small factor box though? links please mate
do you mean one of them small compact box ones with miniboards and such ?
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Rob Z0mbie
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Posted - 2010.04.15 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 15/04/2010 23:42:07
Originally by: Rob Z0mbie Nvidia Quadro gaming
There is no emoticon for what I am feeling.
why? =/ is that good or bad?
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.16 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 16/04/2010 00:07:53 Quadro is not for gaming, more for professional graphics solutions... Also there is an emoticon for what he is feeling and it is :psyduck: Just buy a box computer, you spend a lot less than 1000eur and get a lot more bang for buck.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2010.04.16 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: Rob Z0mbie why? =/ is that good or bad?
As has been pointed out, Quadros are for other stuff. I think the hardware is the same and alterations to the drivers can turn it into a gaming card, but best to avoid all that fuss. My work laptop has a Quadro, so whenever I am away I can't game effectively despite it being a fairly highly specced machine :/.
WRT/small form factor boxes, you can get mATX mobos and cases to build smaller machines. I presume though you want to buy an off-the-shelf unit so I would not know where to point you to find such things. -
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2010.04.16 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rob Z0mbie i'm a student, and recently i've been on transit alot, i'm not sure if the notebook would deliver, or if i could handle the logistics of moving a box next time i move.
Get a nice box (uATX sized board, some energy efficient cpu with 2-4 cores with 60-80W TDP.. big cooler fan, graphics card - 2 slots wide for exhaust of warm air, big screen.. 24"+ suggested or 2x 22") for ergonomic home usage. Get a 10"/12" netbook.. for ultramobile usage.
All in all this should come in at 1,000 .. 1,500 bucks, depending on what you go for and give you the best of both worlds.
PS: once you got used to have more than one screen you'll never want to go back again. (I moved from europe to asia and brought my 15" laptop with me.. as I was settled in (3 months in) I bought me some desktop and got me 2x 22" screens as I was used to 2x 19" at home)
PPS: this was the list I came up with for my dad 3 weeks ago for a nice desktop (no games, so no GPU needed):
- MSI H55M-E33, H55 (dual PC3-10667U DDR3)
- Intel Core i5-661, 2x 3.33GHz
- Kingston HyperX DIMM Kit 4GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9 (DDR3-1333)
- Cooler Master Hyper TX3 (Sockel 775/1156/754/939/940/AM2/AM2+/AM3)
- case suit to liking (cube, desktop vertical/horizontal, just make sure cooler fits)
- graphics card suit to liking (keep an eye for 2x DVI, 2 slots wide, average will do for eve
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Voxira
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Posted - 2010.04.16 01:10:00 -
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If you plan on using it only for EVE, get a nice laptop, preferably Alienware or ASUS, don't go with Dell.
I have a bunch of nice rigs set up as wishlists on newegg, this one should be definitely fast enough for playing EVE and runs some of the newer games nicely.
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Max Hardcase
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.04.16 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Voxira If you plan on using it only for EVE, get a nice laptop, preferably Alienware or ASUS, don't go with Dell.
I have a bunch of nice rigs set up as wishlists on newegg, this one should be definitely fast enough for playing EVE and runs some of the newer games nicely.
Overspending on CPU and motherboard. I'd rather suggest moving to an AMD 955 with a decent motherboard and spend the saved cash on a 5850.
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Kolatha
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Posted - 2010.04.16 07:29:00 -
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Buy the big box and put the extra you would have spent on a grunty notebook into a nice cheap little netbook.
The big box gives you all the grunt you need for the power apps, like gaming and graphics, and the netbook gives you every thing you need for when you are on the move, like access to email, office apps and the rest of the basics a student would need. A basic network at home or even just a couple of decent sized usb drives for backup and data sync and you will be set.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.04.16 08:05:00 -
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A quadro card is just a normal card with a bit different drivers. I use a notebook with quadro card for eve (elitebook 8530W), i dont need the quadro card (no solidworks, etc), but i could get it quite cheap via university, and it runs eve easily. (It had no issues with 400vs400 fights with brackets, effects and turret fire disabled, other graphics settings on average).
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.04.16 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Voxira preferably Alienware *snip* don't go with Dell.
Isn't this contradictory?
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Suneai
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2010.04.16 08:45:00 -
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From my past student experiences; I'd suggest getting a nice powerful notebook, a keyboard & mouse and a good size monitor. This way the laptop will act as the box system when using the monitor in a set place and still holds it's portable use for when you're on the go around campus and travels.
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari NailorTech Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.16 09:02:00 -
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Alienwares are overpriced pieces of ****, they will put in one or two nice items then just pad it out with crap.
Buying an alienware desktop is for stupid people.
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Athena Silk
FW Inc Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.04.16 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Athena Silk on 16/04/2010 10:59:18 Box + Netbook, in my opinion. If size is a problem, go for a MicroATX (mATX, not uATX. uATX is a different form-factor, and with a few exceptions, doesn't make for a good gaming PC) motherboard and case. Both Gigabyte and MSI have some decently priced mATX mobos for pretty much every current chipset, and it's hard to beat Cooler Master when it comes to cheap but decent cases (Just don't trust the PSUs that come with their cheap cases ). An AMD x4 quad-core or Intel i5 with appropriate motherboard, 4 Gb RAM and something like an ATI HD5830 graphics card will run EVE quite nicely. If you're looking at spending a bit more, i7 860 CPU, P55 motherboard and an HD5870 makes for a pretty powerful gaming rig. You can then get a 10" netbook or a cheap 10-12" notebook for all your mobile studenting needs.
If you're dead set on a netbook, my recommendation would be a 15" Asus or *gasp* a Dell. The trick with the Dell laptops is to: a) Ignore the Inspiron range. The Studio/XPS line, and the small business Vostro laptops are pretty solid, and when it comes to customisation, they're hard to beat. I'd recommend choosing the higher-res TrueLife screen upgrade if it's available. I've got a 3 year old Vostro 1510 and my best friend has an XPS M1530, and they're both going strong. b) Nuke and re-install the OS. Dell isn't as bad as some other OEMs (*cough*HP*cough*Toshiba*cough*), but you're still better off doing a fresh OS install and making sure all your drivers are up to date. As previous people have mentioned, avoid Alienware like the over-priced pieces of "meh" that they are, and I'd also stay the hell away from Acer and Toshiba notebooks.
For the laptop specs, go for something with a 2.0 GHz dual-core CPU or faster (ideally something in the 2.5Ghz or higher range), upgrade to 4Gb of RAM (usually cheaper to buy the RAM separately and install it yourself, and it shouldn't void your warranty), and at least something like an nVidia 9600GT or ATI equivalent.
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Shurrurru
Red Unicorns Love Chocolate
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Posted - 2010.04.16 11:55:00 -
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For the simple fact that you are a student I would say the notebook is probably your better bet. I bought an Asus notebook (a50vm-a1) two years ago in anticipation of a trip to China where I'd be teaching/studying and have not regretted it once. It may not be amazing at gaming but I was still able to play most of the games released up until about 6 months ago without much difficulty. New games now I have to run on low settings but on a 2-year old desktop you'd have to do the same thing.
EvE doesn't require top of the line hardware, my 2 year old laptop runs it beautifully. If you're involved in 500 man fleet ops then maybe you'd need that extra power (I don't do that) but if you're zapping asteroids you're probably fine.
If your ONLY consideration was the quality of gaming then a desktop is the obvious winner in any situation. But transit + student means a laptop may be more up your alley. Make sure you get a cooling pad and a good mouse. I also undervolted my processor and reduced the heat considerably, allowing me to play for extended periods of time without fear of melting the damn thing.
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Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
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Posted - 2010.04.16 16:39:00 -
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The advice in this thread is reaching level epic stupid.
One sane person in this thread has advised you the best advice: get a 945/955, cheap DDR3 RAM, a cheap Gigabyte board and a 5770/5850 or even a 4870. This won't cost you much and it will give you good boost in games, in general.
Option 2: buy a cheap laptop, with an overpriced CPU combined with a useless video card, and whine on forums about how bad it runs in games and EVE.
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CCP Adida
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Posted - 2010.04.16 17:09:00 -
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Most laptops come with monitor, keyboard, and mouse support. If you need the portability I would suggest getting a good laptop. There are plenty of deals sites out there that will list specials and such. Sometimes you might have to wait 1-2 weeks to find the right pc at the right price. I personally waited about a month until I found a deal on my laptop originally priced at $1200 US and got it for 1/2 price during a special.
Another thing with laptops and portability I wouldn't recommend getting a 17+ inch monitor (unless it's to be portable in your house). They are big, bulky, and don't travel well. I've had both the 17 inch and the 15 inch. It's so much easier and lighter to bring the 15 inch to different places.
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brutoid
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.04.16 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Boltorano
Originally by: Voxira preferably Alienware *snip* don't go with Dell.
Isn't this contradictory?
Correct , Alienware was acquired by Dell quite some time ago now.
@ OP, dont get a notebook strictly for gaming otherwise in a couple of years you'll become one of those bitter eve players that moans everytime someone mentions a graphic upgrade. Cos its not like this game doesn't need one or anything plox.
For the money you quoted, one of the above posters has the perfect advice for you, get a box AND a gheybook.
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Th0rG0d
Pilots From Honour
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Posted - 2010.04.16 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Voxira If you plan on using it only for EVE, get a nice laptop, preferably Alienware or ASUS, don't go with Dell.
I'm glad I am not the only one who noticed this fail.... Bolded the fail parts for ya
To the OP, I don't know what to tell ya. When moving, I don't have any problems moving my tower and monitor around. Bought the wife an Asus EEE netbook, it runs Eve at lowest settings. Wouldn't undock, but I can use it to change skills and what not when not at home. But that may soon be all moot when Eve Gate hits.
If I had to make a recommendation, I'd have to say go with a tower setup. Better flexibility + more power = better gaming experience. Laptops are handy, but expect to spend much more for comparable performance and limited upgradability.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.04.16 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kolatha Buy the big box and put the extra you would have spent on a grunty notebook into a nice cheap little netbook.
The big box gives you all the grunt you need for the power apps, like gaming and graphics, and the netbook gives you every thing you need for when you are on the move, like access to email, office apps and the rest of the basics a student would need. A basic network at home or even just a couple of decent sized usb drives for backup and data sync and you will be set.
I agree with this.
I have a gaming desktop, a full-sized laptop, and a netbook. I use my desktop more than the others combined, but I use the netbook far more than I use the laptop. When I'm out, I usually just want to read websites and check mail anyway, and that's exactly what netbooks are good for (as well as a few other things). The netbook is so much smaller and lighter than my laptop that I end up bringing it with me far more often than the laptop, since it's quite heavy.
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