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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2010.04.12 07:56:00 -
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Right, so typically I have no problem running to grab something myself with an alt, only this time the item was in Amarr, and I have no alts near there.
So, I plop down a request in the "Ships" channel if anybody could run a fast courier-style from Amarr to Dodixie. Highsec to highsec. I say I need something moved and 15 mil collateral covered with a 3 mil reward. That seems pretty decent, I think.
So people in ships are asking what the module is and stuff. First of all, they ask what the module is. I say it's just 5m3, and can be done in almost any ship. They ask what the module is again. What does it matter, I wonder? All that matters to the contractor is that they're getting a 3 mil reward for moving something worth 15 mil.
So, I explain that I need something bought off contracts and then moved. Cash on delivery for the reward etc. I don't want to reveal it in public because it's the only one available. Somebody says "Ah, the scam revealed." What scam? I need something worth 15 mil bought off contracts and moved. They say "why don't you give us the 15 mil then we'll move it?" Sure. Because me forking you something where there was no contractual obligation for you to fulfill a contract to me is a great idea. In this case, cash on delivery is perfectly viable.
Anyway, it just seems like people are overly paranoid and afraid of EVERYBODY out to get them. What do you guys think? Did I offer a deal that was too good to be true, or is there just no way to get a bit of aide from a stranger anymore?
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G
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Posted - 2010.04.12 07:58:00 -
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That guy has good instincts. ________
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2010.04.12 08:02:00 -
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I'd certainly be sketchy if the item requested was significantly more valuable, but for a pithy 15 mil you'd think the job'd get done fast and by somebody who really needs the money.
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meat vapour
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Posted - 2010.04.12 08:03:00 -
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hohoho, indeed...
i missed out on a cheap plex dropped in local over the weekend because i was sat there trying to work out the catch was....
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.12 08:07:00 -
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tbh I don't even announce the courier contract since contracts with good reward usually gets accepted in minutes anyway. And I don't even see the point in arguing about it all, just post it saying if someone wants it go for it and then just leave.
And yes probably are more paranoid since people do try to lure people into traps, 3m reward vs 15m collateral might be just such an attempt, someone taking their ibis which will pop easily and as such is worth the gank?
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Bongo Debbie
Minmatar Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.04.12 08:11:00 -
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Perhaps because you have a reputation of reneging on your deals.
Asking somone to make a special run for your order is not worth considering, but if people are going anyway and have spare cargo space, they will see what needs shifting. If you promote these kind of things everyone gives you this response. If you just let it sit there it will be picked up, probably fulfilled within 24 hours.
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Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium Z.E.R.G
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Posted - 2010.04.12 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I'd certainly be sketchy if the item requested was significantly more valuable, but for a pithy 15 mil you'd think the job'd get done fast and by somebody who really needs the money.
Mostly because of this:
Originally by: Bongo Debbie Perhaps because you have a reputation of reneging on your deals.
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Nick Bete
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Posted - 2010.04.12 08:18:00 -
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Since this game rewards scammers, liars, thieves, get rich quick schemers and the like you're really coming in here and complaining about people being paranoid? Isn't one of the first things that new players get drilled into their heads "trust no one"? Aren't the poor saps who get ripped off ridiculed when they come into the forums to tell their stories? Don't they always get blamed for not being more careful?
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2010.04.12 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nick Bete Since this game rewards scammers, liars, thieves, get rich quick schemers and the like you're really coming in here and complaining about people being paranoid? Isn't one of the first things that new players get drilled into their heads "trust no one"? Aren't the poor saps who get ripped off ridiculed when they come into the forums to tell their stories? Don't they always get blamed for not being more careful?
Working as intended it seems to me.
Sure, I see where you're coming from. Let me reverse it around so I'm the mover of the item.
Somebody enters a channel I'm in and asks if anybody can move something from system A to system B for 15 mil and 3 mil reward. I say, sure, I'll do it.
Just by saying I'll do it I have not committed to anything yet, so I can review a contract or offer to see if it's on the scam side of things. The person convos me privately and says "Hey, I need this <contract>True Sansha Small Nosferatu</contract> moved. Can you move it for me?
My first thought is, wow, nice deal. Second thought is might as well. I have 15 mil, I will make 3 mil. I even may have some stuff up in Dodixie I can move back to Amarr, perhaps. So it is convienent. And, if this guy drops the ball on COD, I still have a 15 mil Nos.
I mean, that's how I'd see it. I buy the item for a fair price and can re-contract it for as much if I need to. It's a good way to protect yourself, as long as you're smart. To me, it seems that people shout scam at anything that isn't the norm, and that just makes me think instead of actually doing a bit of research, they'd just rather call scam than actually investigate.
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Bonny Lee
Caldari The Guardian Agency Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2010.04.12 08:29:00 -
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Just put the contract up with that conditions and it will be done before you even start to argue with some people in chat. I alway use those contracts and let people bring me stuff to all over the highsec. It¦s one thing in eve which is working really good.
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Par Anoia
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.12 08:48:00 -
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Lies - there is no paranioa in Eve
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.04.12 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Nick Bete Since this game rewards scammers, liars, thieves, get rich quick schemers and the like you're really coming in here and complaining about people being paranoid? Isn't one of the first things that new players get drilled into their heads "trust no one"? Aren't the poor saps who get ripped off ridiculed when they come into the forums to tell their stories? Don't they always get blamed for not being more careful?
Working as intended it seems to me.
Sure, I see where you're coming from. Let me reverse it around so I'm the mover of the item.
Somebody enters a channel I'm in and asks if anybody can move something from system A to system B for 15 mil and 3 mil reward. I say, sure, I'll do it.
Just by saying I'll do it I have not committed to anything yet, so I can review a contract or offer to see if it's on the scam side of things. The person convos me privately and says "Hey, I need this <contract>True Sansha Small Nosferatu</contract> moved. Can you move it for me?
My first thought is, wow, nice deal. Second thought is might as well. I have 15 mil, I will make 3 mil. I even may have some stuff up in Dodixie I can move back to Amarr, perhaps. So it is convienent. And, if this guy drops the ball on COD, I still have a 15 mil Nos.
I mean, that's how I'd see it. I buy the item for a fair price and can re-contract it for as much if I need to. It's a good way to protect yourself, as long as you're smart. To me, it seems that people shout scam at anything that isn't the norm, and that just makes me think instead of actually doing a bit of research, they'd just rather call scam than actually investigate.
You're slowly learning why nobody trusts someone who cannot keep his word.
Keep on working on it.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.04.12 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Right, so typically I have no problem running to grab something myself with an alt, only this time the item was in Amarr, and I have no alts near there.
So, I plop down a request in the "Ships" channel if anybody could run a fast courier-style from Amarr to Dodixie. Highsec to highsec. I say I need something moved and 15 mil collateral covered with a 3 mil reward. That seems pretty decent, I think.
So people in ships are asking what the module is and stuff. First of all, they ask what the module is. I say it's just 5m3, and can be done in almost any ship. They ask what the module is again. What does it matter, I wonder? All that matters to the contractor is that they're getting a 3 mil reward for moving something worth 15 mil.
So, I explain that I need something bought off contracts and then moved. Cash on delivery for the reward etc. I don't want to reveal it in public because it's the only one available. Somebody says "Ah, the scam revealed." What scam? I need something worth 15 mil bought off contracts and moved. They say "why don't you give us the 15 mil then we'll move it?" Sure. Because me forking you something where there was no contractual obligation for you to fulfill a contract to me is a great idea. In this case, cash on delivery is perfectly viable.
Anyway, it just seems like people are overly paranoid and afraid of EVERYBODY out to get them. What do you guys think? Did I offer a deal that was too good to be true, or is there just no way to get a bit of aide from a stranger anymore?
Given that you're not exactly the most trustworthy player, can you blame him?
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Typhado3
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.12 10:02:00 -
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Larkonis Trassler
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.04.12 10:05:00 -
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If people made a habit of backing out of gentleman's agreements I'd probably be paranoid too.
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2010.04.12 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Anyway, it just seems like people are overly paranoid and afraid of EVERYBODY out to get them. What do you guys think? Did I offer a deal that was too good to be true, or is there just no way to get a bit of aide from a stranger anymore?
Nope, not really. Business as usual. You're the one getting paranoid about the paranoia.
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Shady Alt
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Posted - 2010.04.12 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Shady Alt on 12/04/2010 10:11:46 By the fact these guys giving you grief over your courier contract were literate enough to read what you typed, I'm imagining the probability is high that they could also read your name. The train of thought probably then progressed as such:
"Look after the 15m and the 2B will look after itself".
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Krist Valentine
Amarr British Armoured Division The G0dfathers
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Posted - 2010.04.12 11:39:00 -
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im gunna go right ahead and guess that ts might ditch this thread right about now.
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.12 11:46:00 -
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You can't scam with a courier contract if the contractor is able to deliver on time (which is the case in high sec), unless you suicide him which would be rather silly for 15 mil collateral.
So, in this case; YES they are overly (and unfounded) paranoid.
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Major PewPew
The Dark Horses WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2010.04.12 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler If people made a habit of backing out of gentleman's agreements I'd probably be paranoid too.
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Zirilia
Line Ark Industries Section Eight's
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Posted - 2010.04.12 12:36:00 -
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in a game where ingame scams are allowed, ofc ppl are paranoid 24/7/365.
rule is: if it`s easy isk then its a 100% guaranteed scam.
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My Postman
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Posted - 2010.04.12 12:45:00 -
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Because the guy knows the meaning of the word "reputation"?
Ugh....poasting in a Siigari thread
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.04.12 12:45:00 -
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Siig has been shady from the start really, goes back at least as far as the Helpcorp United share scam and that little incident with the DCU 2s
So yes I'd be paranoid too
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Kitimortoa
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Posted - 2010.04.12 15:49:00 -
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Maybe people would trust you more if you paid your debts. |
J Hershey
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Posted - 2010.04.12 16:11:00 -
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I had a similar problem yesterday, my alt didn't have enough isk to setup a public contract on a rook so I was just advertising it with it's fitting and before you know it I was called a scammer and being told to go away by 10 people in local without any of them asking me to setup a contract with them or opening a trade window, it's a joke. Also, no one uses trade window anymore...
I think high sec people are just scared of their own shadows.
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spyor
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Posted - 2010.04.12 16:33:00 -
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people who play eve end up paranoid, but that still does not stop me falling for scams at least once a year, it happens even when you read everything six times, check it again and then click ok. siig does have a bit of a rep, but hey if the mod is worth 15 mill then the collateral is correct, the reward for around 15 jumps, well what would a going rate be!, 200,000 isk per jump is not huge amount and you do have to get out of amarr which can be dicey at the best of times
Perhaps people who do do this for a living in eve should state their claim to rewards...
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Chai N'Dorr
Rumrunner Logistics
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Posted - 2010.04.12 16:44:00 -
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So, if I read this correctly. You wanted another person to first buy a contract for 15M, then ship it to you for 3M, where upon delivery you'd give him the 15M 'collateral' back. But when you are asked to fork over the 15M first you refuse as he won't be contractual olbiged...
And you ask why folks are paranoid? When clearly you are paranoid as well.
Pray tell me how you are 'contractual obliged' when you ask someone to pay that cash with only your word he'll get it back. Hell you'd need to be someone I've flown with for a bit before I'd just pay 15M in the hopes I get 18M in return in completion.
(ignore this when I totally misread your post tho'.) _
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.12 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa ...Did I offer a deal that was too good to be true, or is there just no way to get a bit of aide from a stranger anymore?
Eve's game mechanics are designed so as to favor the wicked. To be honest if I had seen your chat I'd have ignored it and dismissed it as a scam myself. How? Don't know. But I wouldn't have bothered wasting my time in thinking what the actual scam process was. More than likely (and chances are it is) it was a scam. Not saying it was. Just saying that chances are it was.
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The AEther
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2010.04.12 16:55:00 -
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It is very simple. He is thinking you are trying to lure him into buying something off one of your alts through contracts with the promise of good reward upon delivery. This is why he is asking what module it is - trying to size up if it is worth 15 mil or if he is made to purchase an overpriced mod because you're out of ISK.
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Hienz Doofenshmirtz
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Posted - 2010.04.12 18:20:00 -
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Your not paranoid if your right.
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