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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
939
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:37:00 -
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Xen Solarus wrote: Players that have no interest in PVP should be able to do whatever it is that they do to have fun.
Players that have no interest in markets should be able to get all the stuff for free.
Players that have no interest in PVE should get +10 standings to all factions.
Players that have no interest in invention should get T2 BPOs.
People that have no interest in flying small ships should be able to fly supercaps everywhere.
People that have no interest in clones should have indestructible pods.
Is this your idea of sandbox, really? That it should be tailored according to what some people don't have interest in?
To others it means that you have options to counter things, adapt and develop your methods. Very much like RL.Realism means that you may have to do stuff that you don't like to get what you want.
Shiva Furnace - now recruiting solid pilots! |
Mallak Azaria
257
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:44:00 -
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VanDam wrote:On a more serious note, I would question the mental stability of someone who hopes the general Eve population lose their jobs because they lost a few ships on a internet game.
This.
CCP most likely do care, but they're also unlikely to change the mechanics of how things work just to satisfy the few people unwilling to enjoy the game for what it is. I would imagine that they would become a lot less caring after a statement such as that. Being unhappy with something is one thing, being a complete prick is quite another.
I hope you enjoy what ever it is you end up doing after EVE because sadly, EVE wasn't for you. |
Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:47:00 -
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Roime wrote:
Players that have no interest in markets should be able to get all the stuff for free.
Players that have no interest in PVE should get +10 standings to all factions.
Players that have no interest in invention should get T2 BPOs.
People that have no interest in flying small ships should be able to fly supercaps everywhere.
People that have no interest in clones should have indestructible pods.
Is this your idea of sandbox, really? That it should be tailored according to what some people don't have interest in?
To others it means that you have options to counter things, adapt and develop your methods. Very much like RL.Realism means that you may have to do stuff that you don't like to get what you want.
Your attempt to ridicule his argument failed in 5 of 5 comparisons really really hard. And the next thing to try to tell him is that you have to pvp in a sandbox. Hate to break it to you boy. If someone wants to gather herbs the whole day in a sandbox thats his choice.
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Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
50
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:53:00 -
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Obmud wrote: And the next thing to try to tell him is that you have to pvp in a sandbox.
Not a must. You can lose your ship instead. U got the choice. Or leave at all. Like OP. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
939
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:53:00 -
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Obmud wrote:
Your attempt to ridicule his argument failed in 5 of 5 comparisons really really hard. And the next thing to try to tell him is that you have to pvp in a sandbox. Hate to break it to you boy. If someone wants to gather herbs the whole day in a sandbox thats his choice.
Yes, because it was not an attempt to ridicule anything, it was a list of things that some people might not enjoy, and by his logic should then be not forced to do.
Of course he is free to gather herbs all day long if he wants. Just like the Catalyst pilot is free to suicide his ship on the herbivore if he wants. Is this something you disagree with?
Shiva Furnace - now recruiting solid pilots! |
Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
58
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:57:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Yeah the server population is so great now, it has failed to grow and is lower now than 6 months ago. Yes I know summer ect..but as it has trailed down from the start of hulkagedon and doesn't seem to be going up, I would say this indicates something. If you view the statistics, you may also notice a rather quiet time on October and November 2011. These months were not the Hulkageddon months, and the population was even lower then than it is now. Summertime is often the quiet time, with many games. What attracts new players (and older players who are having a break) is new content that interests them. To be honest, for some part of the playerbase, Factional Warfare doesn't have much to offer.
Frying Doom wrote:When I joined the game I never saw a word about EvE as a hard game, only that Null sec was dangerous lawless space. When I ventured to EVE homepage for the first time, I saw this: http://almaroc.com/wp-content/uploads/eve-is-hard.png
This was last December. Doesn't that kind of advertise EVE as a social interaction game, too?
Often people who subscribe to play a PvP oriented game expect some PvP out of it. Making the environment of the game too safe for PvE oriented people kind of takes away from those who want to PvP and enjoy EVE as a sandbox. Because that is what EVE is known of, a place where all your actions have consequences and everything is connected together, a place with great combat and awesome battles. There are plenty of other games which provide safe PvE (or safe PvP) environment for their players: why should EVE be like them? One by one these easier games have fallen, yet EVE is still very much alive...
I don't by any means say that people can't play the way they want. They just have to be aware that there are other people, with other playstyles around. Some of the playertypes just want to destroy your ship instead of being all happy friends with you. |
AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
296
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:00:00 -
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Roime wrote: Players that have no interest in markets should be able to get all the stuff for free.
Players that have no interest in PVE should get +10 standings to all factions.
Players that have no interest in invention should get T2 BPOs.
People that have no interest in flying small ships should be able to fly supercaps everywhere.
People that have no interest in clones should have indestructible pods.
Is this your idea of sandbox, really? That it should be tailored according to what some people don't have interest in?
To others it means that you have options to counter things, adapt and develop your methods. Very much like RL.Realism means that you may have to do stuff that you don't like to get what you want.
Argument by analogy is the lowest form of logical reasoning.
For example:
Just because a player jumps off a cliff, doesn't mean that all players should jump off a cliff.
AK
GÇ£You go into combat, and itGÇÖs NOT going to be WagnerGǪindustrial techno or really hard drum and bassGÇ¥ Reynir Hardarson, founding member of CCP Games, 2002.
somethingjustgotreal.com |
Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:02:00 -
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Roime wrote:Obmud wrote:
Your attempt to ridicule his argument failed in 5 of 5 comparisons really really hard. And the next thing to try to tell him is that you have to pvp in a sandbox. Hate to break it to you boy. If someone wants to gather herbs the whole day in a sandbox thats his choice.
Yes, because it was not an attempt to ridicule anything, it was a list of things that some people might not enjoy, and by his logic should then be not forced to do. Of course he is free to gather herbs all day long if he wants. Just like the Catalyst pilot is free to suicide his ship on the herbivore if he wants. Is this something you disagree with?
I didnt say anything against the suiciders. I said something about your flawed logics, which is really really bad. You should be ashamed of it in fact. For details see post of the guy above me. |
dexington
Lysergic.acid.diethylamide
23
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:03:00 -
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Roime wrote:Not everybody is too stupid to adapt, good players have adapted to Hulkageddons before and will continue to do so, and can appreciate a game universe that promotes emergent gameplay.
The popular Hulkageddon survival strategies are docking up or mining in battleships, which work for a limited period of time, but can not truly be considered a permanent solution. It's possible to find a not to populated system an constantly keep an eye on local/overview/scan/etc, and leave the belt when you think something suspect is going on. In the end it's just not worth it, less trouble and less stress to run level 4 missions in a domi.
Roime wrote:I think hiseccers are blowing the ganking problem greatly out of proportion, it affects a minority, and even fewer of that minority are whiners who make deathwishes to EVE.
I think you are right, i was out mining with a friend most of the weekend, and nothing happened. I still do think it's strange that CCP think it's okay, that T2 mining barges are easy prey in hi-sec. |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
50
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:09:00 -
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dexington wrote: I still do think it's strange that CCP think it's okay, that T2 mining barges are easy prey in hi-sec.
As you said, mining in a Battleship is possible aswell. So there is no must to mine in an easy prey ship. Yes, you lose reward be decreasing the risk, but OP clearly stated that ISK is nothing important for him.
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Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
941
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:09:00 -
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AlleyKat wrote: Argument by analogy is the lowest form of logical reasoning.
For example:
Just because a player jumps off a cliff, doesn't mean that all players should jump off a cliff.
AK
Nice try, but analogy is not logical reasoning at all. Countering an illogical argument "I shouldn't be forced to do X because I don't want to" does not call for logical counter-arguments, it's bullshit.
And next time you try to be a smart guy about logical reasoning, don't use a false induction as an example of analogy. Shiva Furnace - now recruiting solid pilots! |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
941
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:13:00 -
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dexington wrote: The popular Hulkageddon survival strategies are docking up or mining in battleships, which work for a limited period of time, but can not truly be considered a permanent solution. It's possible to find a not to populated system an constantly keep an eye on local/overview/scan/etc, and leave the belt when you think something suspect is going on. In the end it's just not worth it, less trouble and less stress to run level 4 missions in a domi.
You don't have to stay in hisec :)
Quote: I think you are right, i was out mining with a friend most of the weekend, and nothing happened. I still do think it's strange that CCP think it's okay, that T2 mining barges are easy prey in hi-sec.
I'm not against increasing base HP of mining barges, but we should also remember that the barges don't fall to gankers by themselves. They are piloted by humans, that can make the ships harder prey.
Or are they piloted? Shiva Furnace - now recruiting solid pilots! |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
366
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:22:00 -
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Elena Melkan wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Yeah the server population is so great now, it has failed to grow and is lower now than 6 months ago. Yes I know summer ect..but as it has trailed down from the start of hulkagedon and doesn't seem to be going up, I would say this indicates something. If you view the statistics, you may also notice a rather quiet time on October and November 2011. These months were not the Hulkageddon months, and the population was even lower then than it is now. Summertime is often the quiet time, with many games. What attracts new players (and older players who are having a break) is new content that interests them. To be honest, for some part of the playerbase, Factional Warfare doesn't have much to offer. So you don't think that slide had anything to do with Incarna and the fact that 1 year on we are now actually lower than after the release of that patch, riots ect...
Elena Melkan wrote:Frying Doom wrote:When I joined the game I never saw a word about EvE as a hard game, only that Null sec was dangerous lawless space. When I ventured to EVE homepage for the first time, I saw this: http://almaroc.com/wp-content/uploads/eve-is-hard.pngThis was last December. Doesn't that kind of advertise EVE as a social interaction game, too? Often people who subscribe to play a PvP oriented game expect some PvP out of it. Making the environment of the game too safe for PvE oriented people kind of takes away from those who want to PvP and enjoy EVE as a sandbox. Because that is what EVE is known of, a place where all your actions have consequences and everything is connected together, a place with great combat and awesome battles. There are plenty of other games which provide safe PvE (or safe PvP) environment for their players: why should EVE be like them? One by one these easier games have fallen, yet EVE is still very much alive... I don't by any means say that people can't play the way they want. They just have to be aware that there are other people, with other playstyles around. Some of the playertypes just want to destroy your ship instead of being all happy friends with you. So your a new player and you get a glossy add for that now. Yes Hi-sec is now a lot more dangerous and pointless than it has ever been. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:29:00 -
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Your stuff? ... can I? |
Diablo Ex
Red-Five
51
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:30:00 -
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Ok... so the OP simply wants to relax and bust up some rocks for distraction from real life. I recommend he starts playing minecraft, it's a nice little mining game..... oh.... I forgot.....creepers..... you get suicide ganked in that game too.
Sorry... can't help you PRO SYNERGY - We salvage and process the loot, and pay YOU for it. Proven methodology, weekly payout, great attitude. - join game channel "Pro Synergy" for details. http://sites.google.com/site/prospersynergy/ |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:31:00 -
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Players like OP who want to turn EVE into singleplayer mode full of restrcitions have to go and stay away forever. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
325
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:34:00 -
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Find a better mining spot.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
367
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:34:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:Players like OP who want to turn EVE into singleplayer mode full of restrcitions have to go and stay away forever. They seem to be doing that. Yay you win Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
168
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:35:00 -
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Musashi IV wrote:I hope EVE dies and you lose your jobs!!!
Please get a ******* life you sad excuse for a human being. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:36:00 -
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If only it was the last rant to CCP.
A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
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Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:41:00 -
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Roime wrote: Carebear Excuse #2 "I have a real life and others don't" spotted.
Move to wormhole space, it's an environment where much smaller entities can thrive and even have access to ABC ore, and where mining operations can be protected by a very small force and effort.
EVE is not just the black & white of hisec vs sov null, but also endless shades of grey in between.
It might be hard to drill in thick skulls but nowhere EvE gets a statement about "minimum of 2 hours a day required to play or GTFO".
Living in a WH is actually thougher than living in 0.0. Less people but much, MUCH more work and the requirements to have enough online to do that C5 are actually stricter than just joining random CTA members. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
323
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:43:00 -
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I am not a miner and I was never suicide ganked but he does have a point.
A sandbox game is not a game were one group of players can do their thing to disrupt the gameplay of other players without some consequences. Without sufficient consquences entire groups of players are literally driven out and that hurts everyone because if miners are not allowed to mine or just prevented by relativly simple measures and forced to quit EVE stops being a sandbox.
Player numbers have already dropped further then previous years and if the trend continues the future of EVE might be in danger.
....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
942
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:50:00 -
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Alaya Carrier wrote: It might be hard to drill in thick skulls but nowhere EvE gets a statement about "minimum of 2 hours a day required to play or GTFO".
Living in a WH is actually thougher than living in 0.0. Less people but much, MUCH more work and the requirements to have enough online to do that C5 are actually stricter than just joining random CTA members.
I believe that statement exists only inside one particular thick skull.
There's very little work when you share the load with a bunch of good guys, and if C5 is too much trouble, why not go lower class? Maybe I'm just lucky to have found a great group (props to Shiva pilots!), or it's down to routine, but I find wormhole life to be very comfortable and low maintenance indeed. Only finding targets can sometimes be a PITA
Obviously EVE has the potential to be a massive time-sink and can suck all your time, but casual playing is perfectly possible outside hisec. Just don't aim to conquer all of South or evict AHARM out of their Nova right away and you'll be fine.
It's all about setting up goals that suit your available schedule, and having a good time
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Antarra Starwind
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
2
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:55:00 -
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Gods OP, you didn't even try, did you?
The troll-fu is weak non-existent in this one.
0.5/10. |
Reft Ar'en
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:07:00 -
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I mined in a Hulk literally throughout all of the last two Hulkageddons. Only once did I ever have an "issue"; a scout warped into the belt. I warped out, docked up, made a sandwich, watched an episode of Futurama, logged back in - problem solved.
I really don't get the problem with Hulkageddon. It gives the PvPers something to do, and it means that AFK mining is a little less hands-off. So what? |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
368
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:29:00 -
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Reft Ar'en wrote:I mined in a Hulk literally throughout all of the last two Hulkageddons. Only once did I ever have an "issue"; a scout warped into the belt. I warped out, docked up, made a sandwich, watched an episode of Futurama, logged back in - problem solved.
I really don't get the problem with Hulkageddon. It gives the PvPers something to do, and it means that AFK mining is a little less hands-off. So what? Maybe people just feel that the risk vs. reward is too high, when you are getting paid like a Chinese gold farmer to start with. Maybe it's a nice feeling to mine and read the paper and feel like your getting some where even if your buggered from RL work. A lot of people use EvE to unwind, if it is stress full, it no longer performs it's function. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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AlleyKat
The Unwanted.
296
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:46:00 -
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Roime wrote:AlleyKat wrote: Argument by analogy is the lowest form of logical reasoning.
For example:
Just because a player jumps off a cliff, doesn't mean that all players should jump off a cliff.
AK
Nice try, but analogy is not logical reasoning at all. Countering an illogical argument "I shouldn't be forced to do X because I don't want to" does not call for logical counter-arguments, it's bullshit. And next time you try to be a smart guy about logical reasoning, don't use a false induction as an example of analogy.
/whoosh
This why forums are poor places to debate with style; all the cadence and tonality is removed.
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Obmud
Viziam Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:55:00 -
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Roime wrote: Nice try, but analogy is not logical reasoning at all. Countering an illogical argument "I shouldn't be forced to do X because I don't want to" does not call for logical counter-arguments, it's bullshit.
And next time you try to be a smart guy about logical reasoning, don't use a false induction as an example of analogy.
Eh ? If you try to mimic any understanding of logics please do so with at least reading up some before you do. That stuff didnt even make sense you just said. |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
153
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Posted - 2012.07.03 14:05:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:EvEa Deva wrote:Please do not call ganking miners PvP, its called ganking miners Player on one side. Player on the other side. Violence in the middle. Sounds like PvP to me.
Now I know what real pvp is. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1359
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Posted - 2012.07.03 14:07:00 -
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I haven't read through the 5 pages of "HTFU", but I feel like an important point must be made:
It's Hulkageddon, not Hulkmania. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
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