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Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.17 19:52:00 -
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General Overview ( TLDR )
Looking for 2bn investment
30 day unsecured bond
6% return
Stuff
I intend to use the ISK to trade. It is as simple as this. Nothing special, nothing dangerous. Focus is on high volume low margin items. Items will never leave the station.
At the end of the bond I will produce full financial reports detailing my performance over the month which will of course be confirmed by my auditor Kazuo Ishiguro.
Risks
I scam the 2bn isk. - low/negligible risk
This is not my style. Previously I have held aproximately 20bn? Of public isk unsecured and along with my partner scamming, myself being unable to actually manage the project I never took the easy option and called it a scam.
I Disappear with the 2bn isk û Potential risk
Ok so I have a bad track record with disappearing. However I have done my best to minimise the workload for the bond so if in the unlikely event my RL prevents me from continuing the bond all the items can be liquidated to buy orders and paid out to share holders in a matter of minutes.
I fail at trading with 2bn isk û low/negligible risk
I know how to trade, admittedly I have very little evidence for this since it has been a long time since I participated in trading. I just hope you take my word for this. I traded 500mill at the weekend in jita and I made a profit of over 200mill on that day. Kazuo can confirm this from my API keys if required
I expand the bond, taking on more public isk û potential risk
For now I have no intention of doing this. However If I make significant returns and feel I can handle more isk I will issue a larger bond. If this happens I will close this bond first.
Extra security for investors
I have worked alongside Kazuo Ishiguro for over 1 year now within eve and he has the names of over 6 accounts I own and several of my in game contacts. Over these accounts there are more than 200million skill points.
Our Agreement is that he will keep this knowledge private unless I have scammed. If I have scammed Kazuo can provide you all with the names of my characters since 2004 and the alliance I have been associated with for several years.
Claire Voyant, another member of the MD community has known me for several years. They have the names of my characters alongside Kazuo and can also be called upon if the situation arises where I scam.
Also you may be wondering as to why I would even want to raise 2bn of public funds with my past or as to why I am not providing collateral. This is because I simply do not have anything I am willing to provide as collateral. I do not currently own any BPOs of significant value nor anything else I could do without for 1 month.
Previous public investments
Previously I started an IPO known as Atima industries. I'm sure many of the older players will remember this. And to bring the newer players up to speed I had something of a 'rocky' past.
I raised a public investment of 60bn along side Xabier who then scammed soon afterwards, leaving me ill equipped to run the IPO ( not enough build slots or refining standing etc. ) However he did not get to the assets held by myself and Atima industries.
I also disappeared after 2 or 3 months of this IPO for 2 weeks. However it will be noted I did not scam anything, I was just busy IRL and neglected my project. After I realised I was not able to handle the work load I sought out a new manager to take over the IPO. I did intend this to be Twizzle from EOH however in the end I passed it over to sugar jugs who has been doing a fantastic job since.
Reservations :
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Alycium Banko
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Posted - 2010.03.17 19:56:00 -
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I would like to reserve 1bn.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:01:00 -
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The last time you got public funds you barely lasted one month. You quit and ran off. Xabier wasn't running it you were, and it was locked down by Kazuo.
That whole IPO has turned into a horrible low return investment with no guarantee of getting their money back (at least 100%).
I don't see why you could be trusted again with any funds, and certainly not at 6%.
If you have such good contacts in the game why don't you just borrow the money off them?
I think I have some other stuff about you (personal convo, mail etc..) that may be of interest to investors which I will dig out later when I am on the right computer.
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Hillesumos
Minmatar Destructive Influence IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:03:00 -
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200M sent good luck ---------
Sadly I just make ISK, I don't print it. :(
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Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:04:00 -
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Cosmo, and where did you hear about not getting 100% back hmn?
Feel free to dig your chat logs up. Infact I welcome any potential investors to view your 2 year trolling spree on me.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Atima This is not my style.
Though that may not be your style, we don't have a very good idea of what is your style. Is the past anything to go by?
Originally by: Atima Extra security for investors
How about some collateral or something? Especially since you're only offering 6%.
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Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Atima This is not my style.
Though that may not be your style, we don't have a very good idea of what is your style. Is the past anything to go by?
Originally by: Atima Extra security for investors
How about some collateral or something? Especially since you're only offering 6%.
In my opinion the fact that I had access to 20bn unsecured isk at a point when everything went wrong with the investment and I did not scam would suggest that I have no interest in scamming 2bill.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Atima In my opinion the fact that I had access to 20bn unsecured isk at a point when everything went wrong with the investment and I did not scam would suggest that I have no interest in scamming 2bill.
In my opinion the fact that you are unwilling to provide collateral would suggest otherwise.
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Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Atima In my opinion the fact that I had access to 20bn unsecured isk at a point when everything went wrong with the investment and I did not scam would suggest that I have no interest in scamming 2bill.
In my opinion the fact that you are unwilling to provide collateral would suggest otherwise.
It is not that I am unwilling, I simply do not have 2bn in suitable assets to lock down.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Atima It is not that I am unwilling, I simply do not have 2bn in suitable assets to lock down.
Originally by: Atima I simply do not have anything I am willing to provide as collateral
You've got "over 6 accounts" (what does that mean?) with a total of "more than 200million skill points", but you don't have assets worth 2B?
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Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:30:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Atima It is not that I am unwilling, I simply do not have 2bn in suitable assets to lock down.
Originally by: Atima I simply do not have anything I am willing to provide as collateral
You've got "over 6 accounts" (what does that mean?) with a total of "more than 200million skill points", but you don't have assets worth 2B?
Not all of those accounts are currently active. Yes I do have assets worth 2bn, however they are not suitable for locking down. I.E. BPOs. Most of my assets are ships and/or in 0,0. I have already sold most of my assets in empire on my active accounts e.g. my freighters
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.03.17 20:38:00 -
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Confirming that Atima is probably my oldest friend in the game, having known him for years and years. He has at least five accounts to my knowledge and given how long he's had those accounts the skillpoint total of 200 million seems conservative.
I can confirm that when RL caught up with Atima (needing to look for a job conflicting with greater and greater responsibilities towards Atima Industries) he did the honorable thing and handed over all related unsecured assets to Sugar Jugs even though a sizable portion of those assets came out of his personal funds. (He wasn't able at the time to provide an accurate accounting so just handed everything over.)
Most other people would have just estimated what was theirs and what belonged to the corp but Atima was concerned that the business would fail if it didn't have enough working capital (one of the problems with the original business model) so he handed it all over to make sure the business survived and investors were protected.
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2010.03.17 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Claire Voyant Confirming that Atima is probably my oldest friend in the game, having known him for years and years. He has at least five accounts to my knowledge and given how long he's had those accounts the skillpoint total of 200 million seems conservative.
I can confirm that when RL caught up with Atima (needing to look for a job conflicting with greater and greater responsibilities towards Atima Industries) he did the honorable thing and handed over all related unsecured assets to Sugar Jugs even though a sizable portion of those assets came out of his personal funds. (He wasn't able at the time to provide an accurate accounting so just handed everything over.)
Most other people would have just estimated what was theirs and what belonged to the corp but Atima was concerned that the business would fail if it didn't have enough working capital (one of the problems with the original business model) so he handed it all over to make sure the business survived and investors were protected.
Then may i ask why you are not giving him the loan yourself if he is such a good friend?I see you made a reservation for an investment for 5 bille after the OP had this post up.
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Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.17 21:59:00 -
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I would not ask claire too loan me isk.
i.e. you want to buy a new house, do you
a) ask your friend for the money
or
b) speak to your bank
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.03.17 22:33:00 -
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or
c) ask strangers
BPO's are perfect for collateral btw.
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Claire Voyant
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Posted - 2010.03.17 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys Then may i ask why you are not giving him the loan yourself if he is such a good friend?I see you made a reservation for an investment for 5 bille after the OP had this post up.
That is a fair question and can be answered in a number of ways. The simple answer is that I was unaware of this thread before I posted in the other one. The fact is that I posted in the other thread 3 minutes after this thread went up. And if I had seen this thread, and that Atima had mentioned me as a reference, I would have not been so quick to invest in the other just because it does raise the very questions that you bring up.
The more complicated answer is that I think Atima has something to prove to both himself and MD and I think it would be unfair to him for me to snap up the bond offering no matter how tempted I am. If he asks me to invest I will without hesitation, but he hasn't asked me yet.
While I am a MD regular, I have mostly stayed away from the public investment side except for occasional trolls. But since I have recently decided to mothball one of my businesses, I find myself flush with cash for at least a few months until the insurance situation is settled and mineral prices stabilize at their new levels.
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Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.17 22:58:00 -
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Well, it had to be C) as my bank is currently in liquidation.
Previously Ebank invested in me, however I do not think they will do so this time.
Estel : I was stating that I do not have any BPOs to the value of 2bn.
Answer me honestly : do you think that I would scam 2bn? or do you just want to **** all over my thread.
The main reason I have brought this offering to MD is to clear my conscience. I have an urge to run a successful project for the community. A desire to provide a good opportunity to investors. I want to prove to my self to my investors that I am capable of doing this, as somewhat of an apology for atima industries not meeting my expectations.
I hope this answers your questions as to my motives. I'm afraid there is not much more I can say to reassure you on this topic. I would urge you to contact me in game if you have any serious doubts as to my ability and I will attempt to talk you through it. Other wise I feel as though you are just attempting to damage my reputation out of spite.
Putting this into perspective, the only mistake I have made is 2 weeks of absense without informing you about it. As for the IPO only making 4% returns monthly, It sure did better than ebank and alot of other investments out there. Also you cannot lay the blame for the capital ship market collapse at my feet. It was beyond my ability to predict that after 1 month the profits would more than half after they had been steady for over 6 months.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.03.17 22:59:00 -
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I had a re-read of the Atima threads (including expansion), and you basically disappeared forcing Kazuo to make a vote and find a new manager.
Also, why is it bad to get loans from friends. I loan buddies cash a lot if they need it.
Why do you get Claire to act as guarantor of the 2B loan if she thinks you are good for it. Then if you do another runner Claire is responsible for the loan.
The only things you have ever shown on MD is that you totally failed running a business and then quit without posting leaving others to clean up the mess. Atima shareholders all lost out. Investors were promised:
1. 3 months of divs at 4% 2. After 3 months higher divs up to 10% 3. Buyback at anytime after 3 months for at least 105% 4. On business closure re-purchase at 115%
None of those things have happenned. Why should you be trusted again.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.03.17 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Atima Estel : I was stating that I do not have any BPOs to the value of 2bn.
In that case I misinterpreted what you said.
Originally by: Atima Answer me honestly : do you think that I would scam 2bn? or do you just want to **** all over my thread. (...) I hope this answers your questions as to my motives.(...) Other wise I feel as though you are just attempting to damage my reputation out of spite.
You're reading to much into my questions; I'm just trying to get some clarity. To me it's weird that you claim to have many accounts with lots of SP, but can't provide 2B in collateral. Furthermore, you're saying "I simply do not have anything I am willing to provide as collateral." which to me reads as if you could provide 2B in collateral but are unwilling to do so.
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Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.17 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray I had a re-read of the Atima threads (including expansion), and you basically disappeared forcing Kazuo to make a vote and find a new manager.
Also, why is it bad to get loans from friends. I loan buddies cash a lot if they need it.
Why do you get Claire to act as guarantor of the 2B loan if she thinks you are good for it. Then if you do another runner Claire is responsible for the loan.
The only things you have ever shown on MD is that you totally failed running a business and then quit without posting leaving others to clean up the mess. Atima shareholders all lost out. Investors were promised:
1. 3 months of divs at 4% 2. After 3 months higher divs up to 10% 3. Buyback at anytime after 3 months for at least 105% 4. On business closure re-purchase at 115%
None of those things have happenned. Why should you be trusted again.
1. 3 months of divs at 4%
Investors recieved this
2. After 3 months higher divs up to 10%
Actually investors were promised 4% per month minimum, up to 10% maximum depending upon profit margins, As the market crashed I could not pay 10%, so I paid what profit I did make.
3. Buyback at anytime after 3 months for at least 105%
Buy Back has been offered and was taken up by some investors ( yourself one of them. )
4. On business closure re-purchase at 115%
This is the only clause that has not been fulfilled.
I feel that you paint me as more of a Villan than I truely am.
Totally failed is an extreme statement. Infact I doubt the majority of my investors would agree with this.
As to why should I be trusted again? Quite simply I should not be trusted on such a large scale. That is why I have made this bond only 2bn. That is why it is only to last 30 days. And also why it is incredibally easy to liquidate.
I designed this offering to cater to your point of view.
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Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.17 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Atima Estel : I was stating that I do not have any BPOs to the value of 2bn.
In that case I misinterpreted what you said.
No problem
Originally by: Atima Answer me honestly : do you think that I would scam 2bn? or do you just want to **** all over my thread. (...) I hope this answers your questions as to my motives.(...) Other wise I feel as though you are just attempting to damage my reputation out of spite.
You're reading to much into my questions; I'm just trying to get some clarity. To me it's weird that you claim to have many accounts with lots of SP, but can't provide 2B in collateral. Furthermore, you're saying "I simply do not have anything I am willing to provide as collateral." which to me reads as if you could provide 2B in collateral but are unwilling to do so.
I do not claim to own these accounts I actually do. 4 of them were audited by Kaz on my last offering and it was stated I had more that were not audited.
As to providing collateral, All but 2 of my accounts are inactive. It would be something of a false economy for me to pay 600mill for a GTC to activate an account to provide 2bn collateral. Also I am attempting to prove I can be trusted and recover what is left of my reputation
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Aixa Syal
Minmatar al-Syal Brigade
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Posted - 2010.03.17 23:19:00 -
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Estel and cosmo are the MD bullys!! *shakes stick*
@cosmoray
Is it proven that no one got their money back?, sounds to me it just didnt turn out but everyone parted happy, ie. getting their money back & some decent but not amazing div payments and % ... everyone deserves a second chance, and its not how you fall but how you get back up that matters.
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kakarifar
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Posted - 2010.03.17 23:47:00 -
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Put me down for 200mil. My first foray may aswell be to aid someone's chance at redemption.
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Tobert
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Posted - 2010.03.18 01:19:00 -
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I believe there is 650m worth left, I would like to invest that if possible.
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Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.18 01:34:00 -
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I have updated the reservation ammounts and isk recieved.
Reservations are good for 48 hours afterwhich they will be removed.
Alycium banko can you please confirm if you are interested in investing? or have you changed your mind. Please let me know ASAP so I can reopen your reservation to potential investors without waiting 48 hours
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Alycium Banko
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Posted - 2010.03.18 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Atima I have updated the reservation ammounts and isk recieved.
Reservations are good for 48 hours afterwhich they will be removed.
Alycium banko can you please confirm if you are interested in investing? or have you changed your mind. Please let me know ASAP so I can reopen your reservation to potential investors without waiting 48 hours
ISK sent good luck with the bond.
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kakarifar
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Posted - 2010.03.18 20:47:00 -
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Isk sent. $ Good Luck $ |
Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.18 22:06:00 -
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I've updated the ammounts recieved.
I'm still waiting on Tobert to pay 550mill to atima. Once recieved the bond will begin. |
Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.19 00:49:00 -
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All isk has been recieved, bond starts as of today. |
Atima
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.24 18:39:00 -
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interest is covered as of yesturday, so unless I actually loose money you're returns are secured.
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