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Ariel Armani
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.03 02:53:00 -
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Hello,
I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun".
Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link -
http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/
That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences".
So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad?
Thanks! |
Shaotuk
Sin City Enterprises
5
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Posted - 2012.07.03 02:56:00 -
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Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks!
They make a profit (why else do it); however, there is no scam. Pay your isk and bid on what you want to try to win.
I repeat, it isn't a scam, but it is addicting. |
Seatox
Department of Defence Fatal Ascension
10
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Posted - 2012.07.03 02:57:00 -
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It's a form of gambling? I've never heard of anyone being directly ripped off by Somer, but like all gambling, in the end only the house really wins. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
1701
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Posted - 2012.07.03 02:59:00 -
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in before the lock for spamming somer's link in GD "You were the chosen one Anakin, you were supposed to bring order to the galaxy, not destroy it!" -Obi Wan (Ben) Kenobi -á |
Atra Solis
Tafatt
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 02:59:00 -
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Hea, now think how much lotteries/casino's make IRL.. You play to risk money to gain profit, in the end your better served playing something you have a skill for. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
949
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Posted - 2012.07.03 03:06:00 -
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It is only a scam as far as gambling itself is a scam.
It is not like EVE scams though, where you never win (rare exceptions aside). |
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
153
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Posted - 2012.07.03 03:11:00 -
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Insurance is a scam. I especially love the FL requirement to have your personal belongings insured to at least half the value of your house. I'd like to see you collect on that when a hurricane wipes you out, they'll want a receipt for everything. |
Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
65
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Posted - 2012.07.03 03:42:00 -
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Looks like someone /raged after losing money on blink, must've been a lot if they went to the trouble of making a site to /tinfoil about it :D
Like others have said, playing blink is just like playing in a casino, it's no more of a "scam" than a roulette wheel - basically, like everything else in EVE, don't fly/spend what you can't afford to lose. |
Marcus Ichiro
Kif Korp
46
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Posted - 2012.07.03 03:48:00 -
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That person simply has no idea how gambling works. Yes it's possible for someone to risk billions but not get anything back, yes it's possible for someone to risk little but get obscene amounts back and yes the house always wins in the end. |
Denidil
Larimer Highlands Heavy Industries
293
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Posted - 2012.07.03 04:03:00 -
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the one time i played blink i put in 500mil isk and walked away with 1 bil isk. it is essentially a raffle system and the house always makes 20-30% off each one. however if you are careful and work out the odds, etc you can turn a profit at it.
to be fair i did stick my neck out farther than i'd normally go in their system.. i was up the price of two tickets on an orca (16 slots) and i bought 4 slots on the orca and won it.. so that was a big + on my balance. I like all these gankbear tears, now maybe you'll have to go prove your "l33t pvp" skills against something that shoots back like the rest of us do. |
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Morg Braktar
BlackTar Corporation Tesseract Nexus
2
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Posted - 2012.07.03 04:05:00 -
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Since everyone else is going on about the finer points of gambling, I will simply say I have always been awarded my winnings in a prompt manner. It can be very addicting, frustrating and rewarding! Be smart with your ISk and you will be fine. |
Y'nit Gidrine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 04:53:00 -
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Yeah it's a scam. It's the worst kind of scam ever. The kind of scam where you just can't stop yourself from coming back again, over and over again. Once you start, you just can't stop. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
773
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Posted - 2012.07.03 05:31:00 -
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Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - [ freshly created blog which no-one gave me the link to but I posted here to draw attention] That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks!
I call you out on total BS You created that blog. It's brand-new and "someone sent me this link" ?? Total crap. What did you lose ? 1 Billion, 2 Billion ? Or did they turn down your recruitment application ? It's gambling and totally legit whether you like it or not. Your posting of that link here is proof that you invented it.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.07.03 05:35:00 -
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It's ccp allowed botting and RMT... |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
845
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Posted - 2012.07.03 05:39:00 -
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RMT clearing house... Nyan |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
448
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Posted - 2012.07.03 05:39:00 -
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Confirming Blink is legit, if played in moderation its good fun, but its VERY addicting. Have a plan for when to walk away. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á |
witchking42
UNFRL Fleet Operations
31
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Posted - 2012.07.03 05:57:00 -
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1) Never fly a ship you can't afford to loose !
2) Never bet ISK on Somerblink you can't afford to loose ! |
Caitlyn Tufy
Refuge of Hope Lemniskate
11
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Posted - 2012.07.03 05:57:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Confirming Blink is legit, if played in moderation its good fun, but its VERY addicting. Have a plan for when to walk away.
Bro, you make it sound like gambling!
Oh, wait... :p |
Halete
Echoes of Korgoth Initiative
203
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Posted - 2012.07.03 06:05:00 -
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I'm up 2B on Blink and not touching it again. Quitting ahead and all that.
Again, it's only a scam in-so-much that all gambling is designed to be profitable for the house. Many must lose so that some may win. Dirty heretical mud-child, reporting in. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
248
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Posted - 2012.07.03 06:12:00 -
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While this does look extremely /tinfoil
I really do wonder how a player can be winning blinks in august 2011 while only existing in eve since may 2012
It's possible the blog and screenshot of the char's birthdate has been faked, I'm not in game to verify things atm, it's extremely suspicious if those screenshots are legit though. There should be a rather awesome pic here |
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
339
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Posted - 2012.07.03 06:55:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:RMT clearing house... Basically this.
You can see in games past where the same person as bought all the slots.
Clearly a dirty ISK loss, but a clean prize gain. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4016
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Posted - 2012.07.03 07:09:00 -
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If it turns out to be a scam I demand a nice "thanks for all the fish" post by Somer lol
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Drake Dahma
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 07:16:00 -
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If blink is a scam, then this new chimera sitting on my hanger is a lie....but I'm looking right at it so it must be legit.
For once the Cake is not a lie.
I've won some nice ships off blink. Including a Chimera today for only 760 mill. :) |
Bree Okanata
Romex Inc. Dustm3n
32
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Posted - 2012.07.03 07:20:00 -
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I've used it and won plenty. Lost some, but I have won more than I lost. It's legit, as far as I can tell. The guy who wrote that one blog (as far as I know) tried to blackmail Somer Lotteries for them to buy a good review. They didn't pay, so he got angry and wrote that. |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
448
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Posted - 2012.07.03 07:24:00 -
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Caitlyn Tufy wrote:Aiwha wrote:Confirming Blink is legit, if played in moderation its good fun, but its VERY addicting. Have a plan for when to walk away. Bro, you make it sound like gambling! Oh, wait... :p
Its even worse than normal gambling, isk isn't real. So easy to fritter away billions. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
72
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Posted - 2012.07.03 07:26:00 -
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I won my first Domi there and a ton of other stuff. It is a lottery so the lottery wins in the end, but your chances to grab some ships and come out with a posotive wallet are given. Legit |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
806
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Posted - 2012.07.03 07:28:00 -
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I sent ISK. I had some "fun". I have a few more ships in my hangar now thanks to Somer.
Probably better ways to spend ISK, but I didn't find it to be a scam. |
Bobo Cindekela
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.07.03 07:28:00 -
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I have to point out that even if 100 characters replied and said its legit and they are staring at NNNNN ship they won in their hangar, it only takes 1 plex (500m) to make a near endless stream of biomassed shill forum alts You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,-á this is your final warning. |
Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
95
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Posted - 2012.07.03 07:43:00 -
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That bit is just some good ole fashioned tinfoil :p
The char in question is indeed younger than their Blink account. We only allow one Blink account per human being. When someone sells a character, or just wants to change which character they use to Blink on, we transfer their old Blink account over to their new character. No tinfoil needed :)
In answer to the OP - The person who made that blog sent us a mail a month or so ago. He asked us to send him 49B isk in order for him to post something happy in his bio. He said if he didn't get the money, he'd make a page to try and cause problems for us.
If we wanted to give away 49B - we'd just have lots of promos. If we wanted to give away 250B - we'd have a party: like the current one :p Last I checked, his "fee" to take down the site was around 100b. So we've still got a few more celebrations to go before his opinion costs more than we already give away :)
He did, however, mention in his mail "I will reimburse those players the amount they have lost, from the additional ISK collected." - so if you do wind up on the wrong side of luck, couldn't hurt to shoot him a mail to get it back :)
Edit to add: I'd also recommend asking people you already know, rather than anonymous strangers on the forums. Maybe start with some of these guys from the BPO investment corp you used to be part of - some of their members might be Blinkers :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Drake Dahma
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 07:47:00 -
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Andrev Nox wrote: He did, however, mention in his mail "I will reimburse those players the amount they have lost, from the additional ISK collected." - so if you do wind up on the wrong side of luck, couldn't hurt to shoot him a mail to get it back :)
Orly? So your saying playing Blink is now a Win-Win for us? :P If we win we win if we lose...we pester this guy for our isk back....cool.
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2012.07.03 08:12:00 -
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Drake Dahma wrote:If blink is a scam, then this new chimera sitting on my hanger is a lie....but I'm looking right at it so it must be legit.
I think it is useful to think of blink not so much as a lottery than as a slot machine.
I think what spawns these suspicions is that many people intuitively understand that "true" randomness with a constant price/(probability of winning) is a bad way to keep players hooked.
If the player depletes his bankroll due to a losing streak after the first few games he will be dissatisfied and unhappy - remember that at the end of the day he pays for entertainment and that entertainment has to be provided to him.
In real-life regulations force slot machine designers to keep each roll independent from the previous ones (unless it is explicitly stated by the game otherwise) and they try to make up for this by giving some mid-sized pay-outs a relatively high probability (some excitement to keep the player interested but not enough to make him take his winnings and go home) and by allowing the player only to bet a small part of his bankroll on each roll (so he won't deplete it too fast).
In EVE no such regulations exist and it would be easy to deign a system where wins approach a uniform distribution over a long time but the randomness gets "massaged" a little in the short-term. Why not give a new player a hidden bonus so he gets a favorable first impression of the site? Is it really a great idea to allow unlimited losing streaks to any player?
Blink has two issues compared to RL slot machines (due to its lottery-style format): - it allows players to lose a lot of money in a really short time (which is not fun). - there is no way to keep the player happy with some small payouts, he either wins or loses without any middle ground and the size of win/loss is chosen by himself (achievements try to make up for this a little)
Blink has one massive advantage over conventional slot machines: - there is no way for the house to go into the red even temporarily (the only possibly loss is due to opportunity cost when market prices change) - players don't occupy one of a limited number of seats, keeping them around playing is cheap.
The first advantage makes playing with the probabilities riskless for the lottery provider.
I don't know what Somer Blink is doing - I only use them occasionally to cash out the 100m credit I get from buying a GTC through their site.
But if I were to design a gambling site like Blink I would try to massage probabilities to take some control over the pacing of each players play session to "optimize" his entertainment (and maybe cut off the extreme tails of his payout distribution over a typical play session).
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Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
95
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Posted - 2012.07.03 08:20:00 -
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Vera - we've seen a few of the copycat sites over the years try that strategy. It was interesting to watch, but not really feasible in an Eve environment where alts are easy and unidentifiable.
We try to use achievements, promos, bonus blinks, minibonks, bonks, and the other associated giveaways as a way to help cut off bad losing streaks. Anytime someone gets "too far in" for their comfort, my first suggestion is always to just lay off the normal blinks and surf the promos till they're back "in the black" :)
For the more technically minded - our draws are all independent of each other. This is the code we use - just an open call to random.org :)
For the non-technical folks (like me) - we poke random.org saying "Hai! Number between 1 and X please!" and random.org replies with "SHORE! Here's number Y. That is winnar now!" Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Ms Kat
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 09:17:00 -
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Blink is 100% legit.
Only word of warning I may offer is make sure to read the details on the website clearly, and make sure you youtrself dont make an error. Im specificaly refering to the deposit of ISK, alot of scammers have setup corps with names almost identical to the official sommer blink corp, so just doublecheck any deposits :)
blink blink... blink blink |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1592
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Posted - 2012.07.03 09:29:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - [ freshly created blog which no-one gave me the link to but I posted here to draw attention] That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks! I call you out on total BS You created that blog. It's brand-new and "someone sent me this link" ?? Total crap. What did you lose ? 1 Billion, 2 Billion ? Or did they turn down your recruitment application ? It's gambling and totally legit whether you like it or not. Your posting of that link here is proof that you invented it.
This... It's alright... GD is the best place to get hugs I heard.
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Chase The Dragon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2012.07.03 09:30:00 -
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It's a scam. It's possible to predict the winning number (80+% chance). The majority of wins are to 'normal' players to keep the ruse up, but a substantial percentage are to players 'in the know' and authorised by Somer Blink.
So basically, yes you can win but the odds are stacked against you. |
Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
100
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Posted - 2012.07.03 09:40:00 -
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Chase - if we wanted to have "House Bets," we could just add a "House Bet" ticket to each Blink. No subterfuge required. Several of the copycats over the years have tried this idea, too. Some of them with some moderate success. :) We prefer a system where an actual player wins each item. And yes, where we make our money from the percentage of that transaction :)
The long and short is - we make plenty running it as a legit service. The one surefire way we could possibly screw it up would be to rig it. And killing your own golden goose requires a degree of mental handicap few people would ever be willing to engage in :p
Long before Blink, Somer ran a trusted 3rd party service, a lottery hosting service, and her own forum-based lottos. Blink didn't spring into existence from some faceless alt. It was STARTED from a position of trust, and has been building on that for almost two years now :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
malaire
451
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:01:00 -
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Chase The Dragon wrote:It's a scam. It's possible to predict the winning number (80+% chance). The majority of wins are to 'normal' players to keep the ruse up, but a substantial percentage are to players 'in the know' and authorised by Somer Blink.
So basically, yes you can win but the odds are stacked against you. It's even better - just get control of random.org and you can predict 100% of winning tickets.
I've played a bit there and so far my odds are near what they should be (13.33% currently, I allways take just one ticket and mostly in 8 ticket games.)
New to EVE? Don't forget to read: The Manual * The Wiki * The Career Options * and everything else |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
666
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:12:00 -
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Not a scam, and they make an ungodly amount of ISO even running it legit.
People get addicted to it though. A friend of mine won a machariel, a carrier, and a daredevil in a row with only buying one ticket a piece.
We told him he should stop right there but instead he decided to push his luck and keep going. After winning three in a row i believe he figured the odds were much better than they actually are.
Because of this he began buying more than one ticket on each slot. He wasn't having as much luck and continued to increasthe amount of ticets for each blink. In the end i honk he lost more than worth of the ships he won at the start.
Then our CEO Alekseyev decided to try and won a thanatos onbhis first try with otnly 1 ticket.
He was smart and quit after that. ;) |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
340
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:17:00 -
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Only the creators really know i guess. Sure you win here and there but who is to say the winning ticket selection it truly random... |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1116
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:19:00 -
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The blog writer got a little bit carried away and mistook ISK for $
http://blinkexposed.blogspot.co.uk/p/huge-profits.html wrote:Now... It's easy to see how Somer Blink has taken over 150 trillion dollars! My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
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Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
102
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:21:00 -
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Rek:
If you like, you're free to evaluate our method for choosing winners. The code we use to get the number is here. As you can see, we draw it from random.org. You can find their real-time statistics here and several peer-reviewed papers on the quality of their random-generator here.
And, from a more practical standpoint - with over 1,733,423 Blinks completed, it would be a MONSTROUS amount of work to try and rig them/keep that rigging hidden from the public/the dozens of people who've worked for Blink. Saner by far to just run it honestly and enjoy it for what it is :)
Hope that helps :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1730
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:25:00 -
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Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks!
Playing Somer Blink long term is about as intelligent as playing Blackjack long term, for the exact same reasons. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
404
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:28:00 -
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Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks!
Was a Blink addict for a long time, spent billions and won billions, far more than I've ever put in but just like every game you need to put yourself limits.
And yes, those are serious people, whatever you win it's really yours, they ship your stuff when possible for 0 isk, you'll never miss a single isk you deposit because it's API done or Andrew/Mom will watch logs to give you back what's yours.
There are few serious people you can trust in this game, SommerMom and Andrew are 2 of those. Not only they will always respect their contract with their customers but some times offer them to buy stuff, like LP's stuff, rare ships, faction mods etc.
Really, they're awesome dudes. brb |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1116
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:29:00 -
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Its a casino, of course the house is going to rake it in, thats the whole point of a casino My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:46:00 -
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malaire wrote:It's even better - just get control of random.org and you can predict 100% of winning tickets. yep, that would be one way of doing it - but in practice it would rely on blink using a misconfigured nameserver which is pretty unlikely.
Alternatively you could block access to random.org via a ddos (or wait for a time when random.org is not available for some other reason) and try to exploit some weakness in mt_rand.
Any pseudo random number generator which does not fetch entropy from outside sources is periodic, that is the numbers will start repeating themselves after some time. For the mersenne twister used by mt_rand the period is 2^19937 GêÆ 1 which is pretty long. And of course the sequence of random numbers is different for each of the 2^32 seed states. If Blink was trying to create really long random numbers one still might be able to figure out at which position one is in which sequence after observing a couple of outputs. But with the small numbers of tickets this is hopeless. Additionally consider that Blink does probably use multiple php processes to handle requests each of which maintains its own PRNG. I guess that the PRNG of whatever php process gets to handle the request for the final ticket gets to determine the winning number - so you can't even look at the sequence of winning numbers and treat them as a sequence of mt outputs - they are a wild mix of any number of MTs. Your best bet would probably be to try get php to spawn a new process with your request (or maybe you are lucky and cogdev.net uses a CGI configuration but in real-life that doesn't happen) in which case a new PRNG would be initialized and you would "only" have to guess one of the 2^32 seed states.
Real slot machines keep cycling through random numbers even when there is no user input to prevent an attacker from being able to exploit the PRNG's sequential nature.
On Linux a call to /dev/random (which introduces entropy from hardware devices; but which is blocking and can be slow if not enough entropy is in the pool) or /dev/urandom (less true randomness but fast) would probably be preferable to mt_rand. However, in practice I can't really see anyone being able to exploit this. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:46:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks! Playing Somer Blink long term is about as intelligent as playing Blackjack long term, for the exact same reasons. in blackjack you can count cards, so what was your point again? |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1730
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:49:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote: in blackjack you can count cards, so what was your point again?
I challenge you to attempt that at any modern casino. That technique is long dead. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
275
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:54:00 -
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its a casino
the only person profiting from a casino in the long run is the owner
there is also no law enforcing that could possibly control this special casino for not scamming the players with fake winners
i would not give them a single ISK |
Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
102
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Posted - 2012.07.03 10:58:00 -
[49] - Quote
Gil makes a good point, honestly - end of the day, if you don't enjoy gambling, or think we'd be silly enough to **** it up by rigging it, you're best off not playing.
We're more than happy to answer questions and provide facts, but if you're dubious after that, the safe answer in Eve is always to keep your ISK in your own wallet. We're not trying to coerce anyone into gaming. :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
131
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:05:00 -
[50] - Quote
I dont like it very much.
Dont get me wrong, I have won more than I have lost and enjoy the experience of it.
What gets me is, its the same, constant 2-3 players winning nearly all the time, with the odd random new guy winning.
I do not think its rigged but hell, like a casino and like everyone says, house always wins at the end of the day. They might pay out 30bil to you at one point but they have already taken 60 from someone the minute before. Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
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Danfen Fenix
131
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:12:00 -
[51] - Quote
Gilbaron wrote:its a casino
the only person profiting from a casino in the long run is the owner
And if anyone ever thought otherwise while using it, they deserver to lose ISK
Me?
I love Somerblink I've actually made a couple hundred million off it. It 'would' be closer to 1b, but when I started I didn't realise it would be smarter to get paid back the ISK & put it back in to blink, rather than just changing it back in to blink credit |
Lilliana Stelles
Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes
74
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 11:25:00 -
[52] - Quote
Personally, I've turned a profit off of blink, (albeit not much of one). It is possible though, particularly if you stick around for the promos and trivia questions to get into a few extra lotteries.
Edit: The whole thing with a character winning that hasn't been created yet winning could be based around them being bio-massed. Somer Blink only tracks names, not APIs, so if a character was deleted and recreated, Blink would think it was the same character.
Second Edit: Considering the absolutely massive number of players pouring money into Somer, it can make a great deal more money as a semi-legitimate (casino) business than as a scam. |
ArmyOfMe
Omniscient Order
92
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:30:00 -
[53] - Quote
Well, not really played on somer a lot. But yesterday i won 1 talos, 2x navy caracals, navy geddon and lots of other small stuff. Came out of it with about 300m in profits.
So no, its not cheating on their part, but as with all types of gambling, the house allways wins in one way or another. ArmyOfMe > i swear my drones have become even more stupid after the patch Wanna Kill > as usually im way ahead of you, my drones have been drooling idiots for ages |
Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
564
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:56:00 -
[54] - Quote
I am on the fence when it comes to blink.
When I started asking questions I was warned to stop or I would be banned from the ingame channel. I asked somer herself some of my questions and she was evasive to say the very least.
Here are some key questions you should be asking.
"Why are their people in somer blink with win ratios over 95%?" "Why is the majority of the statistical data hidden from the end user?"
When I make an effort to determine if something is bogus or not I ask for the data on wins and losses for everybody and everything with names and personal information partially redacted. Every legitimate organization I have ever requested this from has provided me with this, except somer blink.
Xenuria Rising |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
857
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 12:02:00 -
[55] - Quote
Andrev Nox wrote:Rek: If you like, you're free to evaluate our method for choosing winners. The code we use to get the number is here. As you can see, we draw it from random.org. You can find their real-time statistics here and several peer-reviewed papers on the quality of their random-generator here. As a comp.sci guy, I'll have to say that piece of 'code' fails hard.
While the random number generator (random.org) is trustworthy, the chain of trust is not kept. There is no way to verify 1) that the linked PHP code is actually what is executed 2) that the game that 'rolls the dice' rolled it just once instead of doing it multiple times until the desired result happens and 3) that every entry in a game is a real player who paid for the slot with ISK (rather than RMT).
If you really wanted to be secure and ensure 1) and 2), each game would (when created) have an random ID and the trusted random number generator would take this ID when rolling the dice, it would use it as seed and only allow a single roll. The somer blink site would then link to the result page, where the ID, time and result would be viewable.
Do that and your site would be 'trustworthy' for players, but not necessarily RMT free as per 3).
Frankly the part of you post above about 'statistics' and 'peer-reviewed papers' is a clear example of trying to hide a weak link in a chain by showing off how damn strong all the other links are. Nyan |
Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
564
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 12:05:00 -
[56] - Quote
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Andrev Nox wrote:Rek: If you like, you're free to evaluate our method for choosing winners. The code we use to get the number is here. As you can see, we draw it from random.org. You can find their real-time statistics here and several peer-reviewed papers on the quality of their random-generator here. As a comp.sci guy, I'll have to say that piece of 'code' fails hard. While the random number generator (random.org) is trustworthy, the chain of trust is not kept. There is no way to verify 1) that the linked PHP code is actually what is executed 2) that the game that 'rolls the dice' rolled it just once instead of doing it multiple times until the desired result happens and 3) that every entry in a game is a real player who paid for the slot with ISK (rather than RMT). If you really wanted to be secure and ensure 1) and 2), each game would (when created) have an random ID and the trusted random number generator would take this ID when rolling the dice, and it would only allow a single roll. The somer blink site would then link to the result page, where the ID, time and result would be viewable. Do that and your site would be 'trustworthy' for players, but not necessarily RMT free as per 3). Frankly the part of you post above about 'statistics' and 'peer-reviewed papers' is a clear example of trying to hide a weak link in a chain by showing off how damn strong all the other links are.
^^^THIS
I am going to do some research and I will find out if SomerBlink is a scam or is actually legitimate. Xenuria Rising |
Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
102
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:12:00 -
[57] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:I am on the fence when it comes to blink.
When I started asking questions I was warned to stop or I would be banned from the ingame channel. I asked somer herself some of my questions and she was evasive to say the very least.
Here are some key questions you should be asking.
"Why are their people in somer blink with win ratios over 95%?" "Why is the majority of the statistical data hidden from the end user?"
When I make an effort to determine if something is bogus or not I ask for the data on wins and losses for everybody and everything with names and personal information partially redacted. Every legitimate organization I have ever requested this from has provided me with this, except somer blink.
In answer to the first question - It's answered anecdotally in the thread above you. :) Some folks get lucky on their first few blinks, and stop forever. It's the same reason some people have win ratios at 0% - they get a bad first run, and stop forever. I grant, it's something that would be addressed with the "fixed win percentage" idea outlined earlier in the thread, but that's just not something we're willing to do. Every draw is, and will stay, independent to every other draw. :)
In answer to the second question - Large swaths of database queries readily available to the public in a unified location are a server-melting fiasco. Blink receives around 700-2.5k individual users per hour, most of which stay on the site for 27-42 minutes each, and hammer F5 like a rabid monkey while they're there. Some concessions have to be made to technical performance :)
In answer to why YOU specifically aren't given large swaths of statistical data with personal information redacted - if that's what it would take for you to play, we're okay with you not playing. :) Even if we did take the time to hand all that over, a day later you could make the same demand for information again, and again, and again. If someone really distrusts our service that much, we're totally cool with you not using it :)
In answer to Rakshasa Taisab:
Each blink does have a unique identifier, it's Blink ID number. It is visible on even the currently active blinks, in the lower left hand corner of the Blink (highlight the text there to see it). The results from that are viewable to anyone who played on that Blink - though I grant, they're not perpetually visible to anyone who wants to look.
And, again, all that said - I absolutely concede there's zero way we could guarantee that all of that code didn't change right after you looked. The answer to that one will always be: It wouldn't benefit us to do that. It would catastrophically cripple us. But if you disbelieve that, it's totally cool to keep not playing. :)
Edit to add: Re-reading, I misunderstood what you were looking for from a unique identifier. Random.org doesn't have any type of identification API, so that's not possible (to my knowledge) while using them as our RNG source. Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
564
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:19:00 -
[58] - Quote
Andrev Nox wrote:Xenuria wrote:I am on the fence when it comes to blink.
When I started asking questions I was warned to stop or I would be banned from the ingame channel. I asked somer herself some of my questions and she was evasive to say the very least.
Here are some key questions you should be asking.
"Why are their people in somer blink with win ratios over 95%?" "Why is the majority of the statistical data hidden from the end user?"
When I make an effort to determine if something is bogus or not I ask for the data on wins and losses for everybody and everything with names and personal information partially redacted. Every legitimate organization I have ever requested this from has provided me with this, except somer blink.
In answer to the first question - It's answered anecdotally in the thread above you. :) Some folks get lucky on their first few blinks, and stop forever. It's the same reason some people have win ratios at 0% - they get a bad first run, and stop forever. I grant, it's something that would be addressed with the "fixed win percentage" idea outlined earlier in the thread, but that's just not something we're willing to do. Every draw is, and will stay, independent to every other draw. :) In answer to the second question - Large swaths of database queries readily available to the public in a unified location are a server-melting fiasco. Blink receives around 700-2.5k individual users per hour, most of which stay on the site for 27-42 minutes each, and hammer F5 like a rabid monkey while they're there. Some concessions have to be made to technical performance :) In answer to why YOU specifically aren't given large swaths of statistical data with personal information redacted - if that's what it would take for you to play, we're okay with you not playing. :) Even if we did take the time to hand all that over, a day later you could make the same demand for information again, and again, and again. If someone really distrusts our service that much, we're totally cool with you not using it :) In answer to Rakshasa Taisab: Each blink does have a unique identifier, it's Blink ID number. It is visible on even the currently active blinks, in the lower left hand corner of the Blink (highlight the text there to see it). The results from that are viewable to anyone who played on that Blink - though I grant, they're not perpetually visible to anyone who wants to look. And, again, all that said - I absolutely concede there's zero way we could guarantee that all of that code didn't change right after you looked. The answer to that one will always be: It wouldn't benefit us to do that. It would catastrophically cripple us. But if you disbelieve that, it's totally cool to keep not playing. :) Edit to add: Re-reading, I misunderstood what you were looking for from a unique identifier. Random.org doesn't have any type of identification API, so that's not possible (to my knowledge) while using them as our RNG source.
When I am talking about win ratios I am talking about people that have earned over 1 billion isk and ALSO have a 90+% win ratio. That is what gives me pause.
As far as melting servers, I really find it hard to believe that something as basic as somer blink needs all that much resources. I am not requesting you make a live database available to the public.
Maybe something every month of week during downtime. This would cause an influx of new users because people would actually be able to run the numbers and look for anything suspicious. Xenuria Rising |
dexington
Lysergic.acid.diethylamide
23
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:22:00 -
[59] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:I am going to do some research and I will find out if SomerBlink is a scam or is actually legitimate.
I think it's going to be very hard to prove anything, on way or the other. Random is random, and while some results are statistically unlikely they are not impossible, someone can win 100 out of 100 games without cheating. Unless you hack into the webserver and prove their code is designed to fix the rolls, i can't see how you are going to prove anything, and even that would end up being your word against their on weather or not the the prove was genuine.
Personally i that the site is legit, it's just like playing slot machines with a set payout ratio. It's not cheating, just very much in the favor of the house. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
857
|
Posted - 2012.07.03 12:30:00 -
[60] - Quote
Andrev Nox wrote:In answer to Rakshasa Taisab:
Each blink does have a unique identifier, it's Blink ID number. It is visible on even the currently active blinks, in the lower left hand corner of the Blink (highlight the text there to see it). The results from that are viewable to anyone who played on that Blink - though I grant, they're not perpetually visible to anyone who wants to look. I'll just skip this part for rather obvious reasons...
Andrev Nox wrote:And, again, all that said - I absolutely concede there's zero way we could guarantee that all of that code didn't change right after you looked. The answer to that one will always be: It wouldn't benefit us to do that. It would catastrophically cripple us. But if you disbelieve that, it's totally cool to keep not playing. :) First of all, I have no idea what kind of a lay person would ever think that an URL would in any way be any kind of insight into what PHP script was being run server-side.
Are you intentionally trying to present yourself as so clueless that we'd think you incapable of actually pulling off such an easy scam?
Also I'm not just disbelieving you and decide not to play / get scammed. I'm heavily implying that CCP should look into your operations to see if you're running an RMT laundering site.
Andrev Nox wrote:Edit to add: Re-reading, I misunderstood what you were looking for from a unique identifier. Random.org doesn't have any type of identification API, so that's not possible (to my knowledge) while using them as our RNG source. DERP Nyan |
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Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
102
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Posted - 2012.07.03 12:36:00 -
[61] - Quote
In answer to Xen: Ahhh, there was a misunderstanding on my part then. We're not trying to convert every Eve player out there into a Blink player.
There are some folks who will never feel safe about something without every iota of data handed to them on an empyrical platter. We'd probably get a lot more customers if we served up everyone's depositing habits for public consumption, too. That attitude is totally cool, and in Eve I get where it comes from - but we're not running an investment. We're not answering to shareholders. We're not trying to pander to everyone's request everywhere. We're running a lotto - a pretend casino as a fun way to play internet spaceships - and we're okay with only having the folks playing who feel like we've earned some trust in the years we've been at it, and exhibited a standard for honesty and fairness that suits them.
The 47,431 folks so far who've felt that way so far, and gotten us to the point where we can say there's been 250 Trillion in prizes given away, that makes us happy. If that number would be 60k, or 80k, or all 300-some-odd-k that subscribe to Eve if we invested an exponentially increasing amount of work to meet each of their individual demands for data, style changes, business changes, et cetera - we're okay knowing that and sticking with the route we're on :)
In answer to Rak: Giant derp, yep. :p I fully admit, I am not the code person. At all :p I tried fielding a tech question while Somer was asleep, so the derpiness of my response there is entirely on me. I can only plead that the ignorance isn't feigned in that arena. :) I'll see if I can't get her to evemail you to speak the dark-magic of all things code in a fluency I will never have. :)
As to the RMT concerns - I 100% encourage you to petition CCP to investigate us (or anyone you ever suspect of RMT) and shut everything down if they find any evidence of misconduct. We do the same, for things that seem suspicious from our side of things - since we have no method or means of knowing where ISK was obtained without those petitions. Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Ayuren Aakiwa
Wyvern Operations Eternal Syndicate
21
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:08:00 -
[62] - Quote
I've only read the title, Somerblink is one of the few legit services in this game. Personally I've doubled my isk, a corp mate of mine has made a stupid amount of isk. It's legit, it's fun, go do it. There is a corp called somer blink. That is a scam so make sure you get the right one. Why are you reading this, it is not relevant to the topic. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1359
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:46:00 -
[63] - Quote
It's as un-scammy as any lottery can get. Lotteries are by design meant to take your money by manipulating chance, while using the bait of shiny winnings to draw you in. They don't do anything sneaky behind the scenes, but by the very way in which blinks work, they make at least 20% of an item's value in profit with every blink.
It's the gambling business. Play if you feel lucky. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
WolfeReign
T.O.R.
18
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:56:00 -
[64] - Quote
Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks!
Do yourself a favor and pretend its a scam and move on. you won't regret it |
Mallak Azaria
261
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Posted - 2012.07.03 14:03:00 -
[65] - Quote
Legit.
I've only got a 19% win rate, but I've gotten more isk out of it than I've put in. |
Potrondal Morrison
The Scope Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.07.03 14:49:00 -
[66] - Quote
Blink is legit, i should know, i play the highest ISK stakes there are when i do play, which is regular when im feeling a bit flush. I have lost far more than i have won, yet when i win pretty big, my ISK or ships get delivered in fast time. Also i see REPLACEMENT 234 on the web page in question, my playing style is similar to his/hers and have went head to them many, many times on the Rorquls, moros and others where we both have covered half the board each and i can tell you that they have lost and won just as much of the time as i have.
If your butt hurt because you played and lost so you shout scam, then do yourself a favour and never go to a casino nor bookies, if your saying scam just because you think it is then that is your opinion, but it is not.
SOMER blink is legit, if you dont want to play then dont, but it is only pixels on a screen, nothing more. |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
168
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:12:00 -
[67] - Quote
Corina Jarr wrote:It is only a scam as far as gambling itself is a scam.
It is not like EVE scams though, where you never win (rare exceptions aside).
What do you mean? They're going to double my 10mil, they PROMISED! "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
116
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:21:00 -
[68] - Quote
It is about as much of a scam as a casino (which could be considered pretty scammy :P ) But they do pay out to the winners. Also sometimes when there is a big market shift and blink isn't updated properly you can make guaranteed money from blink by buying 100% of the tickets on an item. A couple months ago there was a certain ship you could buy every ticket and still make 20mil isk. It's been fixed but if you keep your eyes open I am sure another whoops will pop up. |
Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
32
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Posted - 2012.07.03 18:19:00 -
[69] - Quote
Xenuria wrote:Andrev Nox wrote:Xenuria wrote:I am on the fence when it comes to blink.
When I started asking questions I was warned to stop or I would be banned from the ingame channel. I asked somer herself some of my questions and she was evasive to say the very least.
Here are some key questions you should be asking.
"Why are their people in somer blink with win ratios over 95%?" "Why is the majority of the statistical data hidden from the end user?"
When I make an effort to determine if something is bogus or not I ask for the data on wins and losses for everybody and everything with names and personal information partially redacted. Every legitimate organization I have ever requested this from has provided me with this, except somer blink.
In answer to the first question - It's answered anecdotally in the thread above you. :) Some folks get lucky on their first few blinks, and stop forever. It's the same reason some people have win ratios at 0% - they get a bad first run, and stop forever. I grant, it's something that would be addressed with the "fixed win percentage" idea outlined earlier in the thread, but that's just not something we're willing to do. Every draw is, and will stay, independent to every other draw. :) In answer to the second question - Large swaths of database queries readily available to the public in a unified location are a server-melting fiasco. Blink receives around 700-2.5k individual users per hour, most of which stay on the site for 27-42 minutes each, and hammer F5 like a rabid monkey while they're there. Some concessions have to be made to technical performance :) In answer to why YOU specifically aren't given large swaths of statistical data with personal information redacted - if that's what it would take for you to play, we're okay with you not playing. :) Even if we did take the time to hand all that over, a day later you could make the same demand for information again, and again, and again. If someone really distrusts our service that much, we're totally cool with you not using it :) In answer to Rakshasa Taisab: Each blink does have a unique identifier, it's Blink ID number. It is visible on even the currently active blinks, in the lower left hand corner of the Blink (highlight the text there to see it). The results from that are viewable to anyone who played on that Blink - though I grant, they're not perpetually visible to anyone who wants to look. And, again, all that said - I absolutely concede there's zero way we could guarantee that all of that code didn't change right after you looked. The answer to that one will always be: It wouldn't benefit us to do that. It would catastrophically cripple us. But if you disbelieve that, it's totally cool to keep not playing. :) Edit to add: Re-reading, I misunderstood what you were looking for from a unique identifier. Random.org doesn't have any type of identification API, so that's not possible (to my knowledge) while using them as our RNG source. When I am talking about win ratios I am talking about people that have earned over 1 billion isk and ALSO have a 90+% win ratio. That is what gives me pause. As far as melting servers, I really find it hard to believe that something as basic as somer blink needs all that much resources. I am not requesting you make a live database available to the public. Maybe something every month of week during downtime. This would cause an influx of new users because people would actually be able to run the numbers and look for anything suspicious.
I would think its because of the people that buy 90% if the slots all the time in order to cash out their prizes, or because they are "working" the system. injecting an "investment" and constantly buying enough tickets to almost guarantee a win and still make a profit. |
Itherael Fate
65
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Posted - 2012.07.03 18:25:00 -
[70] - Quote
Forum ate my post so here is the TL ; DR
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=30917 <---- blink forum thread that many players will attest to how awesome somer blink is. Rules of The Game 1. Everyone in the world is playing The Game. A person cannot not play The Game; it does not require consent to play and one can never stop playing. 2. Whenever one thinks about The Game, one loses. 3. Losses must be announced to at least one person. |
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.07.03 19:22:00 -
[71] - Quote
Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks!
Its a lottery with a 5:8 payout to take. Absolute shenanigans.
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Bree Okanata
Romex Inc. Dustm3n
33
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Posted - 2012.07.03 19:40:00 -
[72] - Quote
I keep reading this forum interested. While I do agree that most of the nay sayers have their points, I still pause after reading a couple posts so that I can refresh the Somer page and look for promos. Yea Somer takes a large profit, but they still pay out everything you win. I got bored and when I found the site I put one ticket down for a tengu. Lo and behold I won the Tengu and within a minute of accepting the prize, it was sitting on Contract in Jita waiting for me. |
Catalina Cruze
BPO Investment Group
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 22:47:00 -
[73] - Quote
Andrev Nox - Thank you for linking to my website. I don't troll the forums looking for business, so it's nice when someone else does the promoting for me. You have my permission to add my link to your signature if you would like.
FYI - Blogger.com is a very popular blogging platform. Not sure what you were going for in that post.
While I'm here, I did find this mildly entertaining;
Andrev Nox wrote:If you like, you're free to evaluate our method for choosing winners. The code we use to get the number is here. As you can see, we draw it from random.org. You can find their real-time statistics here and several peer-reviewed papers on the quality of their random-generator here. And, from a more practical standpoint - with over 1,733,423 Blinks completed, it would be a MONSTROUS amount of work to try and rig them/keep that rigging hidden from the public/the dozens of people who've worked for Blink. Saner by far to just run it honestly and enjoy it for what it is :) Hope that helps :)
"I will dazzle you with code and fancy words trying to look legit, but hope you don't know any better" LOLs
It appears the author of the blog in question has you figured out. They even have a nice little screen shot of you saying the exact same thing in a different thread.
http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/p/blinks-explanation.html
Pretty much word for word.
Thanks again, and have a nice day! BPO Investment Group --áEarn 8% return on your investment each and every month
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Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
66
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Posted - 2012.07.04 05:32:00 -
[74] - Quote
Catalina Cruze wrote:stuff
TBH, I'd say IPOs and other player-run investments schemes in EVE are much less... reputable than blink in general, to say the least. |
Snow Axe
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
442
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Posted - 2012.07.04 06:54:00 -
[75] - Quote
The amount of effort it would take to rig Blink would be huge, and if it was actually found out (i.e. not some half-baked conspiracy blog, but real actual proof) it'd destroy it as an income source. Far, far easier to just run it legit and rake in the insane profits. |
Rajan Marelona
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.07.04 07:16:00 -
[76] - Quote
It can be a scam but due to its popularity, it is makeing a lot of ISK even if it is 100% legit. Going even 1% non-legit could be a huge blow to its popularity, so there is no reason for them to not stay legit. Blog guy just sucks at understanding how gambling works. Or he understands it too well but can nott comprehend that is how real-life gambling works too.
No, I have never used Somer Blink. I do not gamble if I can avoid it. Not in a game, not in real life. House always wins on average. I prefer to make money the old fashioned way. |
Danfen Fenix
131
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Posted - 2012.07.04 08:32:00 -
[77] - Quote
Eh, after yesterday, I dont even care if it's a scam. I love them
Got 10 mil from the gift box for the celebration. Played 3 blinks & got 50 mil for an achievement. Got another 5 mil achievement and a bonus blink...and pretty soon that free 10 mil credit had turned in to 80 mil in my wallet
Thanks Blink. Think I'll quit while I'm ahead now though... |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings
256
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Posted - 2012.07.04 13:38:00 -
[78] - Quote
So I read through the website from the OP. I haven't read through all of the posts in this thread.
The only part of that site that has any possible legitimacy is in the area is shill players IMO. It is entirely possible that blink stacks the game with shills. It would probably be the hardest to track.
But the big question to ask is why bother. The site is popular enough without having to go through the trouble of cheating the players. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1872
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Posted - 2012.07.04 13:48:00 -
[79] - Quote
The longer you play, the more likely you are to lose money. That's the nature of any casino game or lottery. They don't need to scam anyone, the profit model is easily apparent: add up the values of the blinks for an item and it's higher than the market value of that item.
As for them using shills: It's entirely possible that they do, but that doesn't hurt the odds of any given individual winning. In fact on those lotteries where they use shills and real players win, they'd be cutting into their own profit margin.
The bit with the too-young character...do you really think guys that put in this much effort would make such a careless mistake? Probably someone biomassed and recycled the name, or someone else picked it up later. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4219
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Posted - 2012.07.04 13:49:00 -
[80] - Quote
If you don't trust it, don't play. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
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Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
8
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Posted - 2012.07.04 14:05:00 -
[81] - Quote
All, and by all I mean every single gambling entity is designed at it's root to be a scam. The point of all gambling is that, whatever happens, the house cannot lose. In that way all gambling is a scam.
Gambling establishment exists purely to unbalance distributed wealth into cumulated pools that are chosen by external influence, taking a cut of all the wealth as it passes through the establishment (house).
Like any self respecting establishment they keep their internal affairs secret, not transparent and you will have no means of determining if their scam is being run either more or less scamfully than the perceived level of scamness they are hoping you enjoy.
So it's up to. You're already of a mind to gamble on random chance, why not go that one step further and gamble on whether or not the scamsters are scamming more or less than you think they are. It's just gambling, so if you don't trust the house the gambling addict is getting twice the high for his money.
In the industry we refer to ourselves as "Tax on Stupidity" we have to label our products with the precise level of scam we're applying and we have to give warnings that we're about to scam your money right out of your pocket.
But they still queue to let us. Money -> Old rope. Old rope -> money.
Shut up and give me your money. |
Gul'gotha Derv'ash
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Li3 Federation
47
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Posted - 2012.07.04 16:28:00 -
[82] - Quote
I will say there are some rather suspicious toons winning everything in sight.
The person who won the 250b in the last super event was someone I had never seen blink, ever, and I was blinking a lot during the few months going into the 200T event. Does make you take a double look and wonder if there are some shenanigans going on, especially since it is ungoverned by anyone other than Somer herself. |
Medarr
ZeroSec
3
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Posted - 2012.07.04 16:32:00 -
[83] - Quote
Chribba wrote:If it turns out to be a scam I demand a nice "thanks for all the fish" post by Somer lol
Don't forget Thanks for all the tears yo! |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1537
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Posted - 2012.07.04 16:36:00 -
[84] - Quote
Skimming through this thread, it seems like everyone wins and no one loses.
So either none of the people losing their shirts are posting or a lot of people are lying.
That, in itself, is fishy enough for me to not sign up.
Mr Epeen There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.07.04 16:37:00 -
[85] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:The longer you play, the more likely you are to lose money. That's the nature of any casino game or lottery. They don't need to scam anyone, the profit model is easily apparent: add up the values of the blinks for an item and it's higher than the market value of that item.
As for them using shills: It's entirely possible that they do, but that doesn't hurt the odds of any given individual winning. In fact on those lotteries where they use shills and real players win, they'd be cutting into their own profit margin.
The bit with the too-young character...do you really think guys that put in this much effort would make such a careless mistake? Probably someone biomassed and recycled the name, or someone else picked it up later.
Absolutely incorrect. You are equally as likely to lose money on your first 'game' as you are on any other.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1365
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Posted - 2012.07.04 16:43:00 -
[86] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Skimming through this thread, it seems like everyone wins and no one loses. So either none of the people losing their shirts are posting or a lot of people are lying. That, in itself, is fishy enough for me to not sign up. Mr Epeen It's psychological. The people who win a lottery are going to be much louder than the people who lost, particularly because the lost amount of money is small (since there are so many losers) and the won amount of money is relatively huge.
I haven't played it myself, but I know more than a handful of people who have lost significant amounts of money who just shrugged, said "meh, luck", and moved on. You won't find them posting here about Somer Blink being a scam.
Anyway, not signing up is the right thing to do, unless you're feeling spectacularly lucky. Rule #1 of gambling is the house always wins. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Kunming
CyberShield Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION
39
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Posted - 2012.07.04 18:32:00 -
[87] - Quote
Akirei Scytale wrote:Vera Algaert wrote: in blackjack you can count cards, so what was your point again?
I challenge you to attempt that at any modern casino. That technique is long dead.
Get a friend and play an 'open' hand of blackjack, evaluate the choices and you will see even if u knew whats next the best most of the time you lose by default.. it is a very interesting game, I think someone invented it to play magic card tricks on ppl. There is a pattern and it makes the house win almost always, so even if u count the cards until you get to a round in which you would win the casino would already be aware of you and take measures.
As for Somer Blink, common sense says stay away from lottery and payout sorta things, if u really wanna gamble there is always things like EOH... |
Flirty Girl
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 19:41:00 -
[88] - Quote
My story:
It is a scam. Bar none. Somer looks to fleece the big blinkers and not the little ones. Its the guys blinking the Dreads and Rorqs that are making Somer isk.
Every time I would be up and have isk in my bank, someone would show up and just clean me out. If I bought all but one ticket, the one ticket I didn't buy would win. Every time. And I am not the only one. Sometimes it would just be three people playing Ultra blinks, I would be on a convo with the other party, and no matter what we did or how we did it, the unknown 3rd party would win it. And not lose a blink they played. No one has luck that good. My losses would be streaks of over 15 losses, then I might win one. Then streaks of 15 losses again. Over and over. After awhile watching the losses mounting and it never once turning around, I walked away. About 60 billion isk lighter.
If I flip a coin, odds are 50/50. If I flip 5,000 coins or just one coin 5,000 times, the odds of winning will still be 50/50. And I should have won and lost close to 50% of the time. But that never happened. My wins amounted to roughly 25% on exclusively betting on half the tickets.
Yes, this is an alt. |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
7
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:49:00 -
[89] - Quote
The executive summary for this post is:
1) Blink is not a scam.
2) Blink is gambling operated from a webserver owned/rented by them and operates without a downtime.
3) Blink has safeguards against RMT laundering. Many are blatantly obvious, and undoubtedly there are others which would be counter-productive to be fully revealed. Blink uses Eve API but I am unaware of the extent.
4) Blink makes a profit from each ticket purchased. No matter which player wins, they have profitted nicely, and the more blinks which happen, the more blink profits.
5) Blink does not hold a stake in each of the millions of Blinks it has run other than the amount deducted from each ticket purchased, therefore Blink has no hand in the game, such as BlackJack and many other casino games.
6) Blink's withholding part of the ticket's price is no more of a scam than when one "drags" the pot at a neighborhood poker game to pay for beer and pizza. But with Blink, the hors d'oeuvres are excessive and quite delectable.
7) Anything can be addictive, including the washing of one's hands - all addiction requires is for the person to lose control over when and how much to indulge in the behavior. Behaviors that are rewarded tend to be repeated.
8) Of the four reward schedules, The Variable-Reward Schedule used in every casino game is the most addictive. Any surprise there? (http://psychology.about.com/od/behavioralpsychology/a/schedules.htm)
9) To pull off an alt scheme for enhancing the profit of Blink would require thousands of alt 'toons and most Blink players are not new to the game: buying those older characters would be prohibitively expensive: would require a vast army of tight lipped players to buy the older alts: or would be quite obvious for so many characters to be purchased by so few players.
10) "Win-Ratio" is a metric of how many tickets are purchased for each blink and has nothing to do with player profit. A player could have a 100% win-ratio by purchasing every ticket to every blink played and win themself broke quite fast.
11) Somer would have to be one of the most stupid people in the world to shoot the golden goose by doing anything which could have implications beyond tinfoil belief systems. Yet, people want us to believe someone that stupid to be capable of pulling off one of, if not the most difficult or complicated or duplicitous or deceitful scams in online gaming history.
12) As far as I can tell, any real world money blink develops is from their click throughs to Shattered Crystal (Blink offers a generous blink credit bonus to the clicker) or perhaps from Eve for click throughs for accounts. They have no advertising other than the single icon for Shattered Crystal on one page.
Read on if you like or you can just say,"Wall of Words" if you believe it will take you hours to read and days for your friends to explain it to you:
A little about me might put some things in perspective. I am a Retired Senior US Army Officer with over 30 years of service. I have never bought a lottery ticket in RL and have never gambled in a RL casino - Never dropped a quarter in a single slot machine. I played cards for money when I was a young soldier and my winnings could never begin to replace the damaged friendships, so I found other activities where friendships with my fellow soldiers could be nurtured rather than ruined. (and if you choose to only quote that last line, I have a pretty good idea what you would write and if it involves sex, or any kind of crime, you would be quite wrong) Door prizes have been the extent of my gambling for over 40 years. During my service (Retired in 1997) The Army liked to conduct business meetings in Casinos because of the reduced cost of large lodging bookings, greater access and lower airfares, and other other lower costs subsidized by the losing public. Among many of my interests and professional training, I am a "stats man" with a particular interest in probability theory, though my professional use of statistics was to assess the enemy's probability to do this or to do that. Like Andrev, I am not a "code man". I think I can still do a multiple linear regression with paper, stubby pencil and slide rule, but I can do it faster with a computer program where all I have to is enter the data and other necessary items where indicated and then make the correct selections to produce a speedy output.
If you want to know about my Blink career you can go there and find me on the Stats page where some information about my Blink career is available - to find the rest, just click on my avatar's face and it will take you a large page with nothing on it but info about me in Blink. I am particularly proud of an accomplishment I completed yesterday (July 4 in Eve time) which sealed a bet. The bet was about moving my Value of Blinks Won a certain amount in a certain period which will end (July 7 Eve Time). The CEO of the corp the other bettor and I are in has already delivered theimpounded proceeds of the bet to me and knows that it will blow my cover in that corp - so unfortunately, that 'toon will go to the Bio-mass. I don't agree with people buying the abilities garnered by another person who was also gaining Eve experience, so I do not sell characters. The posting of this will likely lead to a large surprise for the other bettor and I hope he learns from this experience, but I envision him holding his breath till his MuM buys him another MOM. I am hoping she will send him back to wow where he came from a few months ago. Now you know more about why I don't like people buying more ability than they know how to use.
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Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
7
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:50:00 -
[90] - Quote
I have been accused of being a Somer Alt many times, but all I have to offer is my word, which was my bond while I was an active duty officer. What else can one offer other than a peronal tour of my computers, which I think my family, friends and my CPA would all advise against. I have never compared this avatar's birthdate to any of Blink's pertinent points along the linear line of history, so I have no defense to offer there as I have no idea if one is needed.
Being a player of many avatars beginning with some other retired friends in 2004, before there was a facebook, we used Eve as a social media where we could chat, Teamspeak, Ventrilo, even Skype when one of the guys discovered it, or any combination of the above to keep up with each other. We started out in null, when you could travel through 40 systems and never see anyone else in local. Many was the time when we would start out to mine and end up never turning on a miner2, but just snipe what rats we could in our cruisers and move to another belt, or just sit floating at a "safe spot" chatting. When we wanted excitement it was Rogue Spear or Ghost Recon, then the Battlefield Series. Eve was just like fishing in a mud puddle for us with the chat being the feature and moving the fishing pole the excuse for being there together.
I've played just about every facet of Eve which drew my interest over the years. My original group grew and we went in many directions, yet we still keep in touch and we all have one of many mains in one corporation which is not revealed to any other corporation to which any of us belong. I have a few "mains" in few corps and none of the corps know of the others. Look at the guy next you, it might be me. I have even been at war with myself before. The particular part of the Army we all worked in was unconventional and none of us have ever gotten that out of our systems. This character is my "uptown 'toon", my eve counterpoint to my civilian self in a one person corp where I can be who I really am in real life. The others are all undercover parts I'm playing in the ongoing novel of Eve. Besides, this avatar looks amazingly like one of the pictures of my wife taken at our wedding so this one is never going to the auction block or the biomass.
I saw lotteries come and go over the years and looked upon them all as scams as one after the other was revealed. Incursions were fun and I really enjoyed many of the people in chat but some of my physical imperfections began to limit my success there and I started looking around. I noticed Blink had been around much longer than other lotteries, so I set out to bring my stats skills out of retirement and find their scam.
I first set out to be a regular player, but had difficulty being a regular anything, so I set my sight on obtaining awards or achievements, the terms are used interchangeably. Besides, being an old retired Army fart, I needed some new awards.... Nothing ever caught my heightened sense of smell for scams there, but I learned that by being very careful and buying 12 of 16 tickets, giving me a 75% chance of winning, I could drag the metric "value of Blinks won" forward playing for hours and not changing my total of blink credits very much in either direction. With 10 to 15 billion blink credits, I could move my value of blinks won forward virtually any amount with time devoted to playing being more important than available blink credit. Whenever I fell a little low, and for me that was 10 billion in blink credit, I would either switch to an incredibly conservative strategy using a constantly manually updated stat of each number to get some distantly vague, highly unreliable, idea of it's probabality or I would simply quit. To gather more information about where the scam might be hidden, I'd switch to chat where I found a wonderful core of vibrant people who were as ready to congratulate a recent win as they were to gank you at the next gate, then buy you a replacement ship with fittings. None of the Muppets are there and there is also no one from the world of TV wrestling seekiing a microphone into which he or she could spew self praise at high decibels with lots of expectorant.
The "win-ratio" depends entirely on how many tickets you buy for each blink. A player who buys every ticket for every blink they play will have a win-ratio of 100% and will win themselves broke in short order. I currently have a win-ratio of around 33 to 34 because of the strategy I have used to reach my goals.
Laundering RMT money: You cannot withdraw isk you have deposited from your account. You can only get ISK by converting a prize you have won to ISK. Yes, you could launder ISK by buying all the tickets to each blink and write off the cost that blink receives for operating each blink. Doing that would draw a trememdous amount of attention from other players and many petitions to CCP. If one decided launder RMT ISK by just playing blink as others do. It would take a tremendous amount of time, skill and luck - plus the cost of doing that would be horrendous. Remember, the longer you play, the more you are likely to lose. That is called regression toward the mean.
Like any casino, blink advertises how much people have won and not how much it cost them to win it. Anyone who has stood around in a RL casino and observed people gambling as I have done at so many conferences can see the Casino filling the ATMs quite regularly as the slot machines are being emptied regularly - but no one can use the timing of such as a metric to determine any thing meaningful. However, if you watch a single player and talk to that single player about "How's it going?" they will never mention their many trips to the ATM while they talk of hitting a "$600 Grand Slam" on a "hot" slot machine.
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Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
7
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Posted - 2012.07.05 01:51:00 -
[91] - Quote
Well, I have progressed through every phase of play in Blink and have never found an inkling of a scam. Winnings are quickly posted, prizes you want to keep and I've kept and given away an untold amount are immediately available in Jita for the hisec items and the low sec items you choose to keep are made available in systems which are one jump from hi sec. If I chose to have the prize converted to Isk, it was deposited in my avatar's personal wallet with no delay. If one chooses to convert their prize to Blink credit, a 5% bonus is added to the already above market value of the prize. By rotating my blink credit to isk and then depositing the Isk, I won all the achievements and the billions of ISK that went along with them for depositing isk. There were times when I gave luck and probablilty a couple of chances to win a prize I needed to win a 500 million or one billion achievement and then cut my losses and bought all the tickets to overcome my bad luck with the surety of not having any competition.
Everybody can have opinions and beliefs, but nobody can have their own facts, If anyone can find any credible evidence of a scam - not just some loophole the Blink people have not yet found and plugged, but a scam that is actually happening and can prove it with incontrovertible facts, I will join your team and work to have CCP ban Blink. In fact, if you find a bug in their system, they have an award with a blink credit to your account for reporting it.
The truth is all I have ever respected, though I have often used subterfuge in my profession and I use out right deceit in this internet space ship game, I could not support any scam and especially one at such a high level of activity. My professional subterfuge was never for personal gain and was only for the furtherance of my country's foreign policies created by the elected officials of my country. I did not make them up or decide them and would have faced whatever awaited me for disobeying to do anything I had been ordered to do which I determined to be morally wrong. My outright deceit in an internet spaceship game began when I was invited to make up a name and choose a fictitous religion, college, even a gender choice, however I have never used what are known as scams in the game. Oh yeah, my other mains have killboard entries, but I only shoot at evenly matched targets or those more powerful. I could take no pride in defeating a much weaker target than a professional boxer could be called a champion by beating up drunks in an alley.
Now, have at it and parse my words out of context to suit your own arguments, or if you have no strenght in a point to debate, call me names. But never forget - bring me incontrovertible proof instead of bluster, hyperbole, mythical metaphors or channeled information from a past life.
I have not consulted with any Blink employees or other players about this post and they won't know it has even been considered until they read it. I am not an alt. |
Nonnosa
Grey Nomads
6
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:07:00 -
[92] - Quote
I don't think Somer is a scam, just a very good business model. They shouldn't need to scam, 8 tickets costing 1/6 of the price of the ship, a 33% profit on every lottery. (I assume the odds on the bigger lotterys are the same). Like all gambming in the long wrong you will end up loosing. All the stories from the winners, blink giveaways, promos and achievements have one thing in common: they were paid for by loosers.
My alts record is at the wrong end of the bell curve with 1 win from 30 blinks played making me the proud owner of a 120 million isk Navy Slicer. I'm considering if to walk away or buy in more exspensive blinks to try break even as my turn to win should be coming up.
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Orzo Torasson
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
26
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Posted - 2012.07.05 02:30:00 -
[93] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Skimming through this thread, it seems like everyone wins and no one loses. So either none of the people losing their shirts are posting or a lot of people are lying. That, in itself, is fishy enough for me to not sign up. Mr Epeen
Just for reference, I love playing blink and I think it's very exciting, but I lose way more than I win. Last month alone I lost 1 billion (which admittedly, I won up to 3 billion before losing the lot because I got greedy. But c'est la vie, non?) |
Takumi Ayaka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:53:00 -
[94] - Quote
Quite easy to determine if this is a scam or not by letting said player "Replacement 234" post his API key and check his Assets to see if he is receiving all those Ships or not.
The Site owner surely wouldnt made all the effort in transferring all the Ships to "Replacement 234" Hangar.
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Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
24
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:58:00 -
[95] - Quote
That wouldn't prove anything either, as they could be transferred before posting the API. Plus, even if it were legit, there's no way of knowing if he kept the stuff, or just always cycled it for blink credit.
It's a trust issue. The question being - do you think they'd risk something making them probably trillions to make a percentage more?
If the answer is yes, don't play. If the answer is no and you want to play, play.
The blog link just looks like butthurt gambler regret to me, and the logic on it is flawed in the extreme.
Do I blink? Nope. Not a gambler. Do I think they're legit? Probably. They'd have to be the stupidest people ever to not be, and nothing they've done looked stupid from my viewpoint. |
Croniac
RADIO RAMPAGE Cascade Imminent
29
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Posted - 2012.07.05 04:59:00 -
[96] - Quote
Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks!
Ever drive up to the Mirage Hotel in Vegas and think, wow, a really rich person must own this?
Did it ever occur to you that the money that built it came from the slot machines inside?
SomerBlink is the same exact thing - Only a complete drooling idiot would think that they aren't turning a tidy profit. Why else would they do it?
But, its not a scam - every time I've ever won something on there it has been in my hanger in Jita in less than 20 minutes, exactly as promised. |
Takumi Ayaka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 05:24:00 -
[97] - Quote
Point is that Eve /= Real World
Casino's in the Real World are regulated by Gaming Commisions, and as someone stated out earlier, without the regulation there can be done anything to the potential Customer.
Quote:It's a trust issue. The question being - do you think they'd risk something making them probably trillions to make a percentage more?
As the Site does not give out any Statistics, you have no Idea how many money the owner is doing at the end, since you do not see how many people transfer isk in the System, and it can very well be that its well under the number that the Owner is showing on top of his Page, as part of the deceipting nature of the suspect
Quote:That wouldn't prove anything either, as they could be transferred before posting the API. Plus, even if it were legit, there's no way of knowing if he kept the stuff, or just always cycled it for blink credit.
I'm almost 100% sure that the API key wether id be new or old will show all Transactions from the Assets with a date and volume.
I hold my Statement i gave above, a simple API Check will clear this issue |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.07.05 05:43:00 -
[98] - Quote
That 3 parter was more obscene than any midget **** I have ever accidentally clicked on. |
Jonuts
The Arrow Project CORE.
243
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Posted - 2012.07.05 07:38:00 -
[99] - Quote
Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks!
Blink is legit. Enough of my corpmates are addicted that if it wasn't legit, I'd damn well have heard by now. It IS gambling, and it IS for profit. Over time, you're going to be a loser if you play, but at the same time, you can turn 5 million isk into 5 billion isk if you get REALLY lucky. The rules they follow are laid out, and I've not even heard of someone getting scammed by them. Selling their ship to get a quick blink fix? Yea. Getting scammed? Nope.
Hell, you can run the math yourself looking at the lotteries and see the huge profits they're making on each blink. They ARE raking in profit, no doubt. That's why they do it. |
Cpt Roghie
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
28
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:00:00 -
[100] - Quote
As most sane people here say, Yes it's legit (i've actually profitted on it) and it's addicting. Zzzzzzzz.
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Zeomebuch Nova
Metalworks
16
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Posted - 2012.07.05 08:02:00 -
[101] - Quote
engaging damage control in 4...3...2...1... oh wait, it was already activated. |
Aegir Oceanus
Mordo's Legion
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 10:54:00 -
[102] - Quote
Flirty Girl wrote:My story:
It is a scam. Bar none. Somer looks to fleece the big blinkers and not the little ones. Its the guys blinking the Dreads and Rorqs that are making Somer isk.
Every time I would be up and have isk in my bank, someone would show up and just clean me out. If I bought all but one ticket, the one ticket I didn't buy would win. Every time. And I am not the only one. Sometimes it would just be three people playing Ultra blinks, I would be on a convo with the other party, and no matter what we did or how we did it, the unknown 3rd party would win it. And not lose a blink they played. No one has luck that good. My losses would be streaks of over 15 losses, then I might win one. Then streaks of 15 losses again. Over and over. After awhile watching the losses mounting and it never once turning around, I walked away. About 60 billion isk lighter.
If I flip a coin, odds are 50/50. If I flip 5,000 coins or just one coin 5,000 times, the odds of winning will still be 50/50. And I should have won and lost close to 50% of the time. But that never happened. My wins amounted to roughly 25% on exclusively betting on half the tickets.
Yes, this is an alt.
Mate, everything you've said before you're flipping coin stuff is your own opinion, which i respect. But you should double check you math. The odds on you winning 50% of the time itself are 0.5^5000= 7.0798......x 10^-1506 , IF you bought 50% of the tickets every single time. I'd say winning 25% is pretty damn good.
As to my personal opinion on the blog, he makes some good points on the blog, and highlights out some points that to people that may not realize by themselves. But the tone in the entire blog makes him sound more like a whiny b***** than some one speaking out of concern for others, and to sell his point he does use similar marketing techniques that he points out Blink uses. |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 11:57:00 -
[103] - Quote
You say Blink not money laundering mashine? You say Blink is Legit?
Then watch this:
Blink Laundering |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
26
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:16:00 -
[104] - Quote
By my math that person risked 2.5b at a 15/16 chance of winning, and succeeded, getting 4.5b. If they failed, they'd have lost and the guy who spent 172.5m for a 1/16 chance would have gotten that 4.5b.
Would have sucked hard for them if that 1/16 person got it, but would have rocked hard for that person.
That's gambling.
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Dilligafmofo
Sandman Plc
94
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:21:00 -
[105] - Quote
I have played blink for well in excess of a year. I know the playerbase and the team.
To the poster above with the screenshot. I have done similar after unlocking 1b isk credit in awards and again after winning one billion isk credit in a promo. I tried to purchase as many tickets as possible on a cap ship and vargur to maximise my isk return from the credits I was awarded.
I won a thanatos and lost the vargur, it is how the game goes. Like all gambling, you win and lose.
In over a year of blinking I am still up several billion is isk and assets. I have walked away when low on isk and stayed when on a lucky streak...... that is gambling.
I do not believe there is any cheating or rigging as has been seen by Somer Blinks' so called competitors.
Somer Blink is, and will remain the fairest and best gambling site in eve.
There are many good people in the chat channels and in Blinks Teamspeak server. The customer service is unsurpassed in Eve, CCP should take a leaf out of Somers' customer service book.
If you like to gamble spare isk, there is not better place to be.
For those calling sham can you please show me on this doll where your wallet used to be? Bad losers are the worst people in game. |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 12:22:00 -
[106] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:By my math that person risked 2.5b at a 15/16 chance of winning, and succeeded, getting 4.5b. If they failed, they'd have lost and the guy who spent 172.5m for a 1/16 chance would have gotten that 4.5b.
Would have sucked hard for them if that 1/16 person got it, but would have rocked hard for that person.
That's gambling.
Dont be saw infantile ))
Or you are the one from Somers team alts, that dont see the reality?
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Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
26
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:25:00 -
[107] - Quote
I don't even play Blink, I'm just applying math to the screenshot you posted. |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:29:00 -
[108] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:I don't even play Blink, I'm just applying math to the screenshot you posted.
Then you must calculate- that Bonus blink not visible until all tickets are purcashed.
And at 250 T celebration bonus blink was something 1 bonus blink per 50.
Saw calculate one more time ))
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Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
105
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:29:00 -
[109] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:I don't even play Blink, I'm just applying math to the screenshot you posted.
That particular Blink appears to have happened during our 250T celebration this week - which is why it has the 2x bonus payout. :) The bonus double payout isn't a guaranteed thing, it only has a chance to happen when the Blink closes, which is why there's ~tinfoil~ in the screenshot post. The person gambling took a chance of lowering their overall credit balance on the site for a nearly-sure bet.
Dilli's explination above is the most common for this kind of thing - they have credit in their account and want to cash it out in a near sure bet.
Edit to add:
Or they could have been intending to cycle it for the 5% bonus credit, making it a wash expense (if they win) but an increase in promo tokens and 17 tickets to the 250B Blast giveaway. Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 12:43:00 -
[110] - Quote
Or RMT Laundering. A think CCP must check character on screen shot and his transactions saw we all would know if I am right or not
If not ,then somer blink is hell legit |
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Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
105
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:47:00 -
[111] - Quote
It'd be a horribly transparent way for someone to try and fool the GM's. Money comes from character A, money goes back to character A. I sincerely hope CCP isn't confused in that process where the money was before it was sent away from A :p
But by all means, please, if you suspect them, or us, of any type of RMT - petition for an investigation of them, us, or both. :)
Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 12:51:00 -
[112] - Quote
Andrev Nox wrote:It'd be a horribly transparent way for someone to try and fool the GM's. Money comes from character A, money goes back to character A. I sincerely hope CCP isn't confused in that process where the money was before it was sent away from A :p
But by all means, please, if you suspect them, or us, of any type of RMT - petition for an investigation of them, us, or both. :)
You forgot to mention from WHERE that character get money first time, before he deposited it to blink
I dont need to petition I will keep an eye on Blink to get more proofs )))
Fly safe
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Danfen Fenix
133
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Posted - 2012.07.05 12:54:00 -
[113] - Quote
Danjae wrote:Andrev Nox wrote:It'd be a horribly transparent way for someone to try and fool the GM's. Money comes from character A, money goes back to character A. I sincerely hope CCP isn't confused in that process where the money was before it was sent away from A :p
But by all means, please, if you suspect them, or us, of any type of RMT - petition for an investigation of them, us, or both. :)
You forgot to mention from WHERE that character get money first time, before he deposited it to blink I dont need to petition I will keep an eye on Blink to get more proofs ))) Fly safe
10 mil says he'll be keeping his eye for a long time...
Edit: Or wait...could I be scamming... |
Cyndre Valryssian
Aces -N- Eights Excuses.
4
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Posted - 2012.07.05 13:57:00 -
[114] - Quote
I can confirm I'm a happy blinker here and hardly seems a scam to me. So far won a Rattlesnake, Oracle and Manty so profit wise I'm about 500mil up on what I used. The danger is like in all gambling, it's pretty hard to stop with the old Just one more blink mindset :P |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:40:00 -
[115] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:By my math that person risked 2.5b at a 15/16 chance of winning, and succeeded, getting 4.5b. If they failed, they'd have lost and the guy who spent 172.5m for a 1/16 chance would have gotten that 4.5b.
Would have sucked hard for them if that 1/16 person got it, but would have rocked hard for that person.
That's gambling.
There's something wrong with that pic, its not the same ratio as before... |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
172
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:44:00 -
[116] - Quote
These kind of things have been around for years. They're not legit, and they're not scams. The vast amount in income rolling in heavily outweighs the cost of things going out, and this is how the thing is structured. Ponzi or pyramid, you decide. Personally, I don't take part in these things; got better things to do with my time and money (real and internet space dollars). |
Panacani
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.07.05 15:48:00 -
[117] - Quote
Yes it is a scam.
Sooner or later there is going to be another game news article about some well known and respected gambling establishment in eve making off with thousands of plex worth of peoples isk, and everyone will be shocked and dismayed, and eve will get more free marketing.
With the history of long-running trusted activities that eventually turned scam, I'm really surprised people still use these things. Of course it is gambling I suppose, and gambling personalities tend to take that risk anyway. |
ROXGenghis
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
29
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Posted - 2012.07.05 16:47:00 -
[118] - Quote
What can I say that hasn't already been said in this tread? A couple of things:
The arguments on the anti-Somer site are absolutely terrible. They demonstrate a huge amount of either ignorance or willful misinformation.
Like any lottery, Somer Blink is just a tax on the willing or the stupid.
Here's the coolest thing to me:
Somer uses some of the site's huge profits to sponsor cool Eve community things, like the Bringing Solo Back podcast or RVB in ATX. What Somer is doing is contributing to the sandbox: helping to create player-driven content. Both with the blink website and with the sponsorships. This is the single most valuable thing anyone can do in Eve: without player-driven content, Eve dies.
And even if Somer eventually ends the blink lotteries without returning everyone's deposits (the former will most likely happen, and the latter is anyone's guess), even THAT will be another, final contribution to the Eve sandbox. |
Katja Faith
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
174
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 17:00:00 -
[119] - Quote
Panacani wrote:Yes it is a scam.
Sooner or later there is going to be another game news article about some well known and respected gambling establishment in eve making off with thousands of plex worth of peoples isk, and everyonenobody will be shocked and dismayed, and eve will get more free marketing.
Fixed it for you. No need to thank me. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
257
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Posted - 2012.07.05 17:25:00 -
[120] - Quote
Played 60 promo blinks, won nothing Watched one guy win 2 of them within 60 seconds of each other.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!
In other news, this thread really has boosted the number of people blinking, have a look on their statistics page at the last weeks activity There should be a rather awesome pic here |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
430
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 17:33:00 -
[121] - Quote
Strangely enough I win very often, trouble comes with larger blinks, the more people are involved the less chances you have unless you bet more.
It's a simple game, don't like it, don't play it it's that simple. They've always honoured my wins and shipped my faction ships wherever I asked to, I don't know exactly how much my ratio is win/loose and don't even care but actually think I'm positive moneys with. I admit however play much more with frigs than any other ship, cause I love those ;) brb |
Stryfe Khayoss
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:54:00 -
[122] - Quote
Aegir Oceanus wrote:
Mate, everything you've said before you're flipping coin stuff is your own opinion, which i respect. But you should double check you math. The odds on you winning 50% of the time itself are 0.5^5000= 7.0798......x 10^-1506 , IF you bought 50% of the tickets every single time. I'd say winning 25% is pretty damn good.
As to my personal opinion on the blog, he makes some good points on the blog, and highlights out some points that to people that may not realize by themselves. But the tone in the entire blog makes him sound more like a whiny b***** than some one speaking out of concern for others, and to sell his point he does use similar marketing techniques that he points out Blink uses.
Much like people who misspell words when they correct others' misspellings, I find it ironic when people use bad math when correcitng someone else's math.
What you are calculating there is the probability of him always losing or always winning, not the probability of him winning 50% of the time. If I have a 50% chance to win every time, I would expect to win 50% of the times I played, given a statistically relevant sample size (i.e., not 3), whether that's a 100 times played or 5000. Winning 25% of the time over a large sample with a 50% chance of winning each time, is NOT good |
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
567
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:55:00 -
[123] - Quote
Anytime I've played a Blink lottery, there's always some guy (or a handful of guys) rolling through the ranks winning all kinds of stuff. And it's always the same people.
I've won before, but it's always too minuscule to mean anything.
Then I realized Somer Blink is probably a scammer, just like most of the lotteries in New Eden.
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
14
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 20:06:00 -
[124] - Quote
Aegir Oceanus wrote:Flirty Girl wrote:My story:
It is a scam. Bar none. Somer looks to fleece the big blinkers and not the little ones. Its the guys blinking the Dreads and Rorqs that are making Somer isk.
Every time I would be up and have isk in my bank, someone would show up and just clean me out. If I bought all but one ticket, the one ticket I didn't buy would win. Every time. And I am not the only one. Sometimes it would just be three people playing Ultra blinks, I would be on a convo with the other party, and no matter what we did or how we did it, the unknown 3rd party would win it. And not lose a blink they played. No one has luck that good. My losses would be streaks of over 15 losses, then I might win one. Then streaks of 15 losses again. Over and over. After awhile watching the losses mounting and it never once turning around, I walked away. About 60 billion isk lighter.
If I flip a coin, odds are 50/50. If I flip 5,000 coins or just one coin 5,000 times, the odds of winning will still be 50/50. And I should have won and lost close to 50% of the time. But that never happened. My wins amounted to roughly 25% on exclusively betting on half the tickets.
Yes, this is an alt. Mate, everything you've said before you're flipping coin stuff is your own opinion, which i respect. But you should double check you math. The odds on you winning 50% of the time itself are 0.5^5000= 7.0798......x 10^-1506 , IF you bought 50% of the tickets every single time. I'd say winning 25% is pretty damn good. As to my personal opinion on the blog, he makes some good points on the blog, and highlights out some points that to people that may not realize by themselves. But the tone in the entire blog makes him sound more like a whiny b***** than some one speaking out of concern for others, and to sell his point he does use similar marketing techniques that he points out Blink uses.
If you had 1:2 odds to win and won 25% of the time and were happy about it, I really want to sit down and play a cash game of poker with you.
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Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
14
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:07:00 -
[125] - Quote
I suppose you could check my contract history and sorry the trade window transactions where I gave away items to friends and other blinkers won't be shown. You will see every ship Blink has delivered to me as they always come on a contract.
I'm quite sorry, but poviding my api would compromise the identity of over 70 people who have mains in multiple corps/alliances which are not on friendly terms with each other. It would allow a keen observer to filter though and find the several friends whose gamestyle is the ransacking of corps with a character(s) the player will immediately biomass after all valuables have been transferred to a neutral, who will also be biomassed after divvying up the loot to many characters in small lots over a period of time which will not attract attention. It would also compromise the 'toons the players have been grooming on the forums of corps in which they hope to be invited to join while living squeaky clean lives for up to a year styled after the typical persona the target corp has been known to invite to join. I did mention that we all share a background in the unconventional part of the US Army, so we are not fools in the fine art of intelligence gathering and counter-intelligence activities. It was just this type of experience I hoped to use when I set out in a few months ago undermine Blink and find their scam. Undermining the corrupt is a breeze. Undermining the legit on the lookout to remain legit is damn tough to pull off.
BTW, would you post your main's API everytime you posted your opinions on the forums?
Did anyone notice my promo blink win ratio when looking at my stat sheet? I'm very surprised that has been let slip by.
The blink scam shot? Oh you failed to read/understand the part I posted about the times and the reasoning behind why I bought all the tickets for some blinks. You might want to read that part again, or for the first time to find out why what you posted means nothing to anyone who understands how to play blink and win the awards.
Laundering RMT? I can only imagine the volume of ISK involved and if my raw guesses are even half right, Blink has not done enough business to begin to cover it up.
This forum increased the blink activity this week? Perhaps you don't understand the 250T celebration lasts a week and the opportunities to profit are greatly increased, such as the doubling of a win which happens on a random basis. I have probably played 500 hundred blinks since the 250T mark was hit and I finally got my first doubled prize late yesterday (4 july, eve time). It was for a wolf, so I got two wolves. Two whole wolves is my take, so far, as I have hopes and a solid understanding of the theory of probability.
It is a theory and not a law. If gravity was a theory, you might float away sometmes and at other times you might not - and just as luck operates on the theory of probability, when it changes, a gambler could fall as hard as a person would when the "theory" of gravity changed.
To say the increase of activity in Blink has been increased because of this forum would ignore the similar increases in activity in past week long celebrations when other benchmarks were reached and there were no forum posts. It is as plausible as saying you were in New Orleans during Mardi Gras, found a quarter in the street and twittered all your friends about it, so you were responsible for the increase in tourism during Mardi Gras.
Having been the pilot of a black helicopter while assigned to the famed 160th aviation, I can tell you something I learned which has never changed. Once the Tinfoil Belief Society bites into something, they cannot be swayed by fact, they will only see and discuss evidence which could have an anecdotal twist to support their otherwise unfounded belief and they operate as if they have irrefutable evidence they are always about to present.
As I stated in my original post - show me incontrovertible proof of a scam and I will join your team lobbying CCP to ban Blink.
Don't bring me anecdotal comments, misunderstood commonplace events, re-hashed theories inherited from Y2k believers who had to find something new when that flopped - I operate within scientific principles not to find only evidence which supports an unswerving belief and ignore what doesn't - but to look at each item with the same scrutiny and then make the best determnation and giving it a percentage of variability considering all of the known information because there are always lurking variables
When Xrays were first around and as kid I went into shoe stores which had Xray machines into which you could insert your feet and see your foot inside the new shoes to see how roomy they were. I stood there for who knows how long under the supervision of a shoe salesman who was there all day every day with no lead apron. And then some lurking variables were found and precautions were invented after a great deal of damage was done to untold millions. (Google it) So no matter how throughly something is examined, there may be lurking variables, so the scientific method always includes a percentage of variance arrived at by using the scientific method to analyze data.
My research into Blink gives me the confidence to believe it is legit at the 00.01 level of variance which means I am 99.99% sure it is legit.
As stated before, if you are unsure, stay away.
BTW, Blink does not allow it's account holders to advertise Blink. Look at the chat in Jita or anywhere and see the constant slew of ads for Blink competitors and notice they all end with a different "refxxxx". That is the reference number of that player who is encouraged to cover New Eden with spam and they will be rewarded for each person they recruit. Blink rewards for person to person recruitment one friend to another. |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
18
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 23:00:00 -
[126] - Quote
Danjae wrote:Andrev Nox wrote:It'd be a horribly transparent way for someone to try and fool the GM's. Money comes from character A, money goes back to character A. I sincerely hope CCP isn't confused in that process where the money was before it was sent away from A :p
But by all means, please, if you suspect them, or us, of any type of RMT - petition for an investigation of them, us, or both. :)
You forgot to mention from WHERE that character get money first time, before he deposited it to blink I dont need to petition I will keep an eye on Blink to get more proofs ))) Fly safe So you want Blink players to alert blink as to the origin of the money they deposit? Just want to be sure of what you are expecting. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
489
|
Posted - 2012.07.05 23:21:00 -
[127] - Quote
Aegir Oceanus wrote: Mate, everything you've said before you're flipping coin stuff is your own opinion, which i respect. But you should double check you math. The odds on you winning 50% of the time itself are 0.5^5000= 7.0798......x 10^-1506 , IF you bought 50% of the tickets every single time. I'd say winning 25% is pretty damn good.
As to my personal opinion on the blog, he makes some good points on the blog, and highlights out some points that to people that may not realize by themselves. But the tone in the entire blog makes him sound more like a whiny b***** than some one speaking out of concern for others, and to sell his point he does use similar marketing techniques that he points out Blink uses.
Uh, I think you've made a tiny little mistake there.
Namely that, that percentage is the chance of winning everything, when you have a 50% chance of winning on each.
If you have a 50% chance of winning, that's a 50% chance on each and every iteration. And it doesn't drop the more iterations you do, as they aren't affected by the probability of the preceeding interation. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
852
|
Posted - 2012.07.06 00:02:00 -
[128] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Skimming through this thread, it seems like everyone wins and no one loses. So either none of the people losing their shirts are posting or a lot of people are lying. That, in itself, is fishy enough for me to not sign up. Mr Epeen Well, I never posted that I always win.
I started with 100m, and won a Republic Fleet Firetail (13.5m), Daredevil (79m), and a Sabre (60m) = +52.5m
I then deposited another 100m and won nothing = -47.5m
Even though I came out negative, I still don't consider it a scam. Prizes were delivered promptly, and it was entertaining while it lasted. There was no false advertising, and all obligations were met. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
489
|
Posted - 2012.07.06 01:34:00 -
[129] - Quote
My win rate's about 14%. Which is pretty much where it should be (around 600 blinks).
I've just been lucky my wins tend to be on the bigger blinks I do. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Thibault Etienne
9
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Posted - 2012.07.06 01:35:00 -
[130] - Quote
Won a billion. Having a whale of a time. Great fun 100% legit. Thanks Somer |
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Tony Two Bullet
Monocle Madness The Mockers AO
105
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Posted - 2012.07.06 02:04:00 -
[131] - Quote
All success comes with its costs.
While micro-lotteries may not be for everyone, other games of chance are available out there for those interested in different types of games.
In the end, lottos and games of chance should be played to have fun. The question is how much are you willing to lose to have fun? And how much can you win until you're satisfied with what you've won?
CEO-á Monocle Madness ~ Mega-Insane Lotteries for the Mentally Unstable http://www.monoclemadness.com |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
18
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:25:00 -
[132] - Quote
I see the blink hating site on the blog spot has named me the number one shill and bases it on a lot of research done into posts by some guy, but not much understanding of the context of the quotes. One of which is when I was being the mediator between a character who wanted anonymity while buying a new character and had only so much to spend, just a mere 9 billion was his top offer after my fee, so I told the seller all I had to spend was 9 billion. the researcher, a far too generous term for this guy, made an incorrect assumption that my 'toon, Replacement 234's wallet only contained 9 bill. This poor guy has no idea how this game is played and how many mediators are out there doing deals for others. I was really thrilled that he posted screen shots of one of my best win streaks ever which I think is the one from just the other night. Shame he did not post any from the day before when I lost 20 billion on the opening day of the 250T celebration.
And you just don't get it dude. Your major problem at this point is that you seem think the "value of blink credit won" is a net profit and it is really not even the gross profit. The value of blink credit won rolls back into your blink wallet and your keep using it over and over while the net profit remains pretty much the same and the value of blink credit won continues to advance with each win - If you bought 16 tickets and lost trillions, your value of blink credit won would still increase by the value of the prize + the 5% bonus. 12 of 16 is the "sweet spot" for not losing too much and maybe even making a little, which I did not. It is nothing like anything in RL.
I'll type slowly so you can understand - I already explained this in my other post but I must have typed too fast for you.
I foolishly made a bet that I could gain one trillion Value in blink credit in one week after doing some quick math on the back of an envelope. I thought Blink would hit the 250T a few days sooner than it did, thinking the added opportunities for profit which come with the celebration would help. like the random doubling of prizes after they are won. I've only had that happen once so far and I got a wolf doubled. I have spent way too much time explaining how the game works than I have playing and had I not won a very nice amount on the bet I mentioned earlier, I'd be Blinking away with a very different strategy than I used to win the bet because that strategy will advance the value of blinks won, but won't put much in your wallet. I don't have a really good strategy for winning isk because I was in the process of developing one by starting at 12 of 16 hoping I could work my way down to 10 of 16 or even better 8 of 16. The biggest problem I have is that don't have access to the numbers which have won beyond the ones I can actually track with my eyes. Dominating the board with 12 of 16 tickets is one thing but the board cannot be dominated with 8 or 10 of 16. I did have to buy some GTCs and had another 'toon of mine with max market skills sell the plex for me to be able to continue.
Ok, here is how you can replicate what I did. Start with 20 trillion, patience, common sense, couple of hundred on your credit card or enough time to do a lot of incursions. Buy 12 tickets of 16 by initiating the expensive prize with one ticket and then using your FPS skills to click like hell to get the other eleven before any other player can do it. If you are playing with any other blitz blinker, just quit and come back later - That is easy for me to do, I have physical impairments in the lower half of my body and have a lot of time on my hands. If you win, you exchange the prize for blink credit which gives you a 5% bonus on top of the the over the market value of the prize.
As I am typing, the blink value of a Rorq, one of my faves is 2,756,600,000 ......now increase that by 5% and you get blink value of 2,894.460,000 ......the amount Blink will increase your metric "Value of Blink Credit won" 2,684,999,004.06 ..regional market from Jita shows there is one in Eruka selling at this price 2,529,101,008.08...region wide buy order for one placed at Jita Comparing the market value and the blink value plus bonus, it is a no-brainer to redeem the prize for blink credit (no taxes and broker fees.) 192,500,000.........The value of one ticket ............ x 12 2,130,000.000 ......cost of twelve tix 2,894,460,000 .....Value of Blink credit won - not profit - Thank God my bet was not about profit. - 2,130,000,000....minus the cost of 12 tx = 764,460,000.....The actual advance of Isk in the my blink wallet 764 billion profit from a single 12 tix win. So if I have 75% of the tickets, I just might win 75% of the time - one loss costs me 12 tickets or 2,130,000,000......cost of 12 tickets 764,460,000 ........net profit for one win and if I win 3 out of 4 times my winnings will be 2,293,382,000 ... ..net profit for three wins which is more than one loss of 2,130,000,000...... cost of 12 tickets is the cost of one loss 163,380,000......... net profit of 3 wins and one loss - not a fast way to make ISK
You do have streaks of losing which might extend far enough to require you to deposit more isk, but overall, if you own 75% of the possible winning tickets, and experience a 25% loss ratio, you can easily advance your value of blinks won and not win much isk - unless you have a large bet you are going to win waiting for you at the end of the rainbow.
I don't seem to have been very encouraging for people to bet 12 tix and I am not because the odds are but just too close for my comfort. I want a strategy where a single win will pay for all the losses expected within the theory of probability. I expect to find many fewer than than 12 tix to be the answer I seek.
Oh noes. what am I saying..I'M A SHIILL
Look they are games not money trees. Play it for the fun of it or if you don''t trust it - STAY THE **** AWAY!! |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
18
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Posted - 2012.07.06 03:58:00 -
[133] - Quote
how could I have left anything out?
I have over 9 billion isk won and put into my blink wallet in achievements, and I don't think that includes the 5 billion achievement I got for reaching 5 trill - an award anyone who reaches 5 trill will receive.
The winning are so liberal without having to pay for castle in downtown Lost Wages which makes the playing so much more fun.
Anyone who wants to gamble to pay their rent is in trouble and needs a smaller place or a second job. These are games, not a source of income. It is nice to win, but I amost get as much of a thrill saying "Grata" to another who has been friendly and encouraged me.
I cannot say enough about the people in the chat an how nice it is to mingle with them and the employees of Blink.
When I first started - on the first or second day, I did not know the real difference between a bonk and a mini-bonk.
Bonk = ticket of usually 500k for prizes like one of every pirate ship, or BPOs for all the mining ships except the Rorq.
Mini-b0nk is paid for by tokens you get for winning and I think 1 token for every mil deposited. and prizes vary
I got sonfused and started clicking on the Bonk thinking I was spending free tokens, then I suddenly realized I had put all my isk into the bonk and had nothing left to play with. I moped around a little and told someone on the chat waht I had done, expecting tobe flamed for newb error, but the person encouraged me to contact a Blink person, "because they are very understanding" Before I could even do that one of the moderators had seen my post and looked into how much I had deposited in the Bonk and was asking me how much I wanted back or if I wantted to leave some in the bonk.
Thanks Andrev,, You have always been undestanding and knowledgeable.
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Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
18
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Posted - 2012.07.06 04:00:00 -
[134] - Quote
how could I have left anything out?
I have over 9 billion isk won and put into my blink wallet in achievements, and I don't think that includes the 5 billion achievement I got for reaching 5 trill - an award anyone who reaches 5 trill will receive.
The winning are so liberal without having to pay for castle in downtown Lost Wages which makes the playing so much more fun.
Anyone who wants to gamble to pay their rent is in trouble and needs a smaller place or a second job. These are games, not a source of income. It is nice to win, but I almost get as much of a thrill saying "Gratz" to another who has been friendly and encouraged me.
I cannot say enough about the people in the chat an how nice it is to mingle with them and the employees of Blink.
When I first started - on the first or second day, I did not know the real difference between a bonk and a mini-bonk.
Bonk = ticket of usually 500k for prizes like one of every pirate ship, or BPOs for all the mining ships except the Rorq.
Mini-b0nk is paid for by tokens you get for winning and I think 1 token for every mil deposited. and prizes vary
I got sonfused and started clicking on the Bonk thinking I was spending free tokens, then I suddenly realized I had put all my isk into the bonk and had nothing left to play with. I moped around a little and told someone on the chat waht I had done, expecting tobe flamed for newb error, but the person encouraged me to contact a Blink person, "because they are very understanding" Before I could even do that one of the moderators had seen my post and looked into how much I had deposited in the Bonk and was asking me how much I wanted back or if I wantted to leave some in the bonk.
Thanks Andrev,, You have always been undestanding and knowledgeable. |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.07.06 04:13:00 -
[135] - Quote
There are ofcourse word that there are alts who have unlimited blink credit that buy out much of the tickets on megablinks.
If you see some of the big blinks like capital ships and faction battleships you'll see people who buy half the tickets of the ships
for more than cost of the ship itself on the market.
Why would they spend that much? One possible answer is that these people have access to unlimited blink credit, they buy out the tickets to decrease the chances of legitimate players of winning while increasing profits made. If they win the ship with odds in their favor they get to keep the ship and get the extra isk from tickets bought by real players. If they don't they still make a good profit.
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Sobach
Fourth Circle Total Comfort
70
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Posted - 2012.07.06 04:54:00 -
[136] - Quote
someone either did not bother to read the explanations provided above, lack the intelligence to understand it, or is just another troll alt that's more interested in spreading fud than anything else.
I'll echo what replacement said, show us who are these alts with unlimited blink credit that keeps on buying more tickets than the ship is worth (and no, half is under that value) on a consistent and continual basis. Don't give me the "there is word..." crap, proof or STFU. |
Andre Cadelanne
Carebears and Noobs Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 05:02:00 -
[137] - Quote
Replacement 234 wrote:
As I am typing, the blink value of a Rorq, one of my faves is 2,756,600,000 ......now increase that by 5% and you get blink value of
192,500,000.........The value of one ticket ............ x 12
sry to correct you there, but 12x192,500,000 equals 2,310,000,000 and the winnings you can assume on average are 0.75x2,756,600,000 which equals 2,067,450,000, which in turn tells you that you, on average will lose 250m ISK per Rorq you play...which is a pretty good quota on Blink and which is why Somer DOES NOT have to get any alts on there doing nasty stuff - its plain obvious to everyone that in the long run you would lose. On the other side, if you play it smart, you can, almost certain, MAKE ISK on Blink (I just say, calculate how much ISK you need to lose to "buy" one Token and then calculate what "win" one token will yield on average).
Also I'd like to clear up another confusion here (which I at one point submitted as a bug (which it isnt)): the "Value of Blinks Won" statistic is calculated by taking the TOTAL TICKET VALUE. So if Replacement wins a Rorq and gets 2,756,600,00 (+5%) ISK (Blink credit) the statistics will actually rise by 16x192,500,000 = 3,080,000,000 ISK (at which point one might asume that he in the long run, against all odds, wins more ISK then he should by the "laws" of probability)
All I can say as a last Statement is that I am convinced that Blink IS NOT a scam (apart from the losing you almost guaranteed have in the long run if you play excesively and not use up your tokens "properly")
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.07.06 05:10:00 -
[138] - Quote
Sobach wrote:someone either did not bother to read the explanations provided above, lack the intelligence to understand it, or is just another troll alt that's more interested in spreading fud than anything else. I'll echo what replacement said, show us who are these alts with unlimited blink credit that keeps on buying more tickets than the ship is worth (and no, half is under that value) on a consistent and continual basis. Don't give me the "there is word..." crap, proof or STFU.
I've seen it quite a few times, but didn't SC it.
Just loaded the page and saw someone who has enough money into a SNI to flat out buy one. |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
18
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:05:00 -
[139] - Quote
Andre Cadalane - I yield to your more finely tuned motor skils and thak you for making the corrections you did. Just strengthens my assertion that buying 12 out of 16 is a bad bet and kinda makes the blogsters belief I i was promoting thr 12 ticket strategy even more ridiculous.
Add to that the chat logs where I advised others not to use that strategy as I was not working for profit in Blink but in a most lucrative bet.
But I can tell you from experience that once the Tinfoil Belief Society gets going, no fact will sway them from their predetermined ideas, and they end up just talking to each other after everyone else has written them off as loons.
Thank you again and let me wish you good fortune and good heath. |
XavierVE
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
166
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:23:00 -
[140] - Quote
The idea that Blink needs to 'scam' to maximize profits is kind of odd, when every blink itself is a guaranteed profit. As Odenkirk said on Mr. Show: "Who would want to **** on a flag made of ****? It's an empty gesture!"
Scamming with shill players on top of that would be pretty silly, since if word of that broke (and it eventually would), their site in general would cease to generate profit. It's akin to saying that various states that run lotteries fake the win... when state lotteries are set up to guarantee huge profits. There's no point to a scam, they have a guaranteed profit on every blink no matter who wins.
I've won five promos, corpmates have won at least a dozen or so more. One member has made so much isk playing Blink that we regularly remind him that we're going to have to call Gambler's Anonymous on him if he keeps it up.
The page seems pretty far-fetched, overall. |
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Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:40:00 -
[141] - Quote
XavierVE wrote:The idea that Blink needs to 'scam' to maximize profits is kind of odd, when every blink itself is a guaranteed profit. As Odenkirk said on Mr. Show: "Who would want to **** on a flag made of ****? It's an empty gesture!"
Scamming with shill players on top of that would be pretty silly, since if word of that broke (and it eventually would), their site in general would cease to generate profit. It's akin to saying that various states that run lotteries fake the win... when state lotteries are set up to guarantee huge profits. There's no point to a scam, they have a guaranteed profit on every blink no matter who wins.
I've won five promos, corpmates have won at least a dozen or so more. One member has made so much isk playing Blink that we regularly remind him that we're going to have to call Gambler's Anonymous on him if he keeps it up.
The page seems pretty far-fetched, overall.
One should never underestimate the power of greed. Its only natural to want more after getting a certain amount. You can effectively multiply the profits.
Not saying somer is doing it, just many speculations and rumors going around.
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Ariel Armani
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:50:00 -
[142] - Quote
I just got back from vacation, and all I can say is WOW! Thank you so much everyone for the answers. I can't believe there's such a huge variety of opinions and views, and I certainly didn't expect there to be so much debate. Kind of looks like it turned into a big pi$$ing match. LOL. I know you werenGÇÖt all here just to answer my question, but thanks anyway.
All this stuff actually has me more interested in the whole thing. One question I have that nobody seemed to explain. The numbers on this page do seem to make sense. / http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/p/lies-on-every-page.html / I just donGÇÖt see how players have taken home over 227 trillion ISK (over 250 now) unless I am realllly missing something.
Thanks again!
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Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:57:00 -
[143] - Quote
Ariel Armani wrote:I just got back from vacation, and all I can say is WOW! Thank you so much everyone for the answers. I can't believe there's such a huge variety of opinions and views, and I certainly didn't expect there to be so much debate. Kind of looks like it turned into a big pi$$ing match. LOL. I know you werenGÇÖt all here just to answer my question, but thanks anyway. All this stuff actually has me more interested in the whole thing. One question I have that nobody seemed to explain. The numbers on this page do seem to make sense. / http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/p/lies-on-every-page.html / I just donGÇÖt see how players have taken home over 227 trillion ISK (over 250 now) unless I am realllly missing something. Thanks again!
That statement is pretty much true, most of that ISK is really blink credit. Not to mention the values tend to be a bit bloated.
I bet on interceptors most of the time, when I win one, Blink considers that winning amount to be 20 million, when they are actually only 10-11 million, the winning amount is overinflated. |
Ariel Armani
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.07.06 06:58:00 -
[144] - Quote
Ohhh, I just can't resist...
Replacement 234 wrote:But I can tell you from experience that once the Tinfoil Belief Society gets going, no fact will sway them from their predetermined ideas, and they end up just talking to each other after everyone else has written them off as loons.
Does that make YOU one of the loons, since you're still here talking? LOL
Not attacking you 234 at all. Just thought it was funny! (Thank you for your posts BTW)
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Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
18
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:04:00 -
[145] - Quote
Asgera Yune - stay away from blink! Your post is so full of incorectenss, your learning curve would be too steep for you to overcome. Half the tickets on a blink are not more expensive that the ship is on the market - at least I woudl be quite surprised to see that happen and would expect Blink to correct that when there are fast moving markets, like when the Nightmare fell about 300-350 million in a couple of weeks.
It does not take unlimited funds to buy half the tickets on a blink - players do get a lot of blink credit from achievemets. If you go on the site, look at the6 pages of award and the reward for each one. some are small, just 1 million like the one called "Baby's First Blink" which is awarded when a person plays their first blink, There are a lot of blinks for playing one blink a day for week and things like that. Again, if you go on the site, leave your wallet at home and just look around, ask questions and watch what goes on. If you feel uncomfortable at any time, please, just leave and you will have lost nothing
BTW Mega-blinks are not the most expensive blinks - Ultra-blinks are. An buying half of those tix on a blink does not taek unlimited funds.
As long as yuo keep getting the "word" from the source you apparently have been suing, you will stay confused about how the game works, so please stay away.
Did you know that in Blink, they gamble? and some people like to hedge their bets with more tickets - balancing the costs of tickets with the amount which can be won and how lucky they feel.
I would strongly encourage you, to seek deals on the market rather than try to win a ship you want thru gambling.
If you insist on coming on blink, join the somer blink chat and talk with players, asking questions and learning the mechanics of the games long before you ever put any isk at risk.
Good luck and good fortune |
Dilligafmofo
Sandman Plc
96
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:31:00 -
[146] - Quote
Somer Blink is legit.
I lol'd at the guy complaining that he was winning on average only one in 16 on the 16 ticket blinks. By it's very nature you have a 1 / 16 chance to win it. Muppet !!
Starting a slur campaign because Somer wouldn't pay a feeble ransom demand on the threat of it is pretty fu cking lame if you ask me.
Come and play and see for yourselves. |
Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
264
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:32:00 -
[147] - Quote
Adding my two cents
My personal ISK making strategy is to try and find a ship that's worth a bit more on market than blink have it listed.
The ticket price in blink is based off their listed buyout price. If the Jita price is a fair bit higher than the buyout price, you can end up with a much better prize value:ticket price ratio and make a decent profit
Also I prefer cashing out in ISK if I'm doing the buyout, then I deposit it straight back in. Sure you miss out on that 5%, but your ISK deposit achievement will go up a lot faster There should be a rather awesome pic here |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
19
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Posted - 2012.07.06 07:53:00 -
[148] - Quote
Ariel - me? a Loon?
Got me!
I was attacked personally on a blog for being the biggest shill in eve, I believe is how it was stated,So I just wanted to set the many way out of context misrepresentations of things I have said and the assumptions that I was doing one thing for a reason they thought up when they had no idea of what my real motivations were. It is in this thread in excrutiating detail.
Basicly, I was using a strategy to advance a Blink metric to win a side bet and my strategy was successful in moving that Blink metric forward while not making any profit when Blink profit was not my goal. Winning the bet was my goal as that more than paid for my losses in Blink. So instead of asking me - they screwed down their tinfoil hats and developed a vast conspiracy theory using really ridiculous ideas.
So I have laid bare all that I have which of course will be parsed out of context. I did transpose two digits in the cost of 12 tickets which the true number just supports my point with even more strength And I thank the poster who spotted that and tomorrow, I will make the original page correct and give credit where it is due and then leave this whole dead fish issue to rot on its own.
Of course I recognize your post as being meant in a humorous vein and appreciate it atfter all the "well I heard" and "word is going around" kind of posts.
I nearly offered a 500 billion reward to anyone who presented incontrovertible proof of a scam in blink with my first post.
I have stated that if anyone can provide any real proof of a scam that I will join their side in lobbying CCP to ban blink, but all I got was being named a shill. Oh and before that I was a somer alt. I'm so confused, alt or shill who is supposed to be encouraging people to play 12 tickets when I have statedmeny times in game chat that it is not a good strategy to make isk unless you have a lucrative bet on the side, Someone and I am quite sure I know of a few the one or two may be among, has been present to take screen shots, but not smart enough to understand my sarnings to others that 12 tickets is a good way to win yourself broke. And then of course, they could have just asked me, I need sleep - I think I am repeating myself - all I;ve done all day long is write crap on the this forum and I am not a forum rat to begin with.
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Takumi Ayaka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.06 08:08:00 -
[149] - Quote
*grabs a bag of popcorn*
still waiting on that API key ;) |
Andre Cadelanne
Carebears and Noobs Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 10:34:00 -
[150] - Quote
Ariel Armani wrote:[url=http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/p/lies-on-every-page.html]http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/p/lies-on-every-page.html[/url
well some of this on that page is true, other things are plain wrong, because the guy who wrote it didnt switch his brain on For example the thing about the 159 Trillion difference, allegadely now in Somers possesion. As surely is written somewhere here, the win you make is something around 20% less than all tickets are worth. Now assume you deposit 1B, blink it all away and then get blink credit out of the ships you won. This will be around 800m. Now you do this again with the 800m - and than again and again and again until you have approximately 320m deposit left. By that time your "winnings" in the stats he speaks about (what people truly not all have taken home) will have accumulated to roughly 3.25B - now you blink away the left 320, win approximately 250m and pay them out.
Now by the calculation the guy from the blog does Somer has earned 3.5B - 250m = 3.25B But in truth there only has been a deposit of 1B^^ and the true money made by blink in this example is 1b-250m = 750m, quite a difference I'd say. Also that dude has not figured in the promotion blinks, which, I suppose, eat up a lot of somers winnings.
I dont say Blink doesnt generates a shitload of ISK, in fact it does and this is undeniable, but its not a scam. |
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Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
19
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Posted - 2012.07.06 11:16:00 -
[151] - Quote
Takumi Ayaka wrote:*grabs a bag of popcorn*
still waiting on that API key ;)
Did you even read my response to your demand for my api key in my earlier post?
your question has been asked and answered - you will need more substantial food than popcorn. |
Takumi Ayaka
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.07.06 11:41:00 -
[152] - Quote
Replacement 234 wrote:Takumi Ayaka wrote:*grabs a bag of popcorn*
still waiting on that API key ;) Did you even read my response to your demand for my api key in my earlier post? your question has been asked and answered - you will need more substantial food than popcorn.
You gotta point me to the specific line in your last post where you ever responded to my question about your API key. I didnt see you responding to any of the allegations |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
19
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Posted - 2012.07.06 13:37:00 -
[153] - Quote
quote=Ashera Yune]Ariel Armani wrote: all I can say is WOW! Thank you so much everyone for the answers. I can't believe there's such a huge variety of opinions and views, and I certainly didn't expect there to be so much debate. Kind of looks like it turned into a big pi$$ing match. LOL. I know you werenGÇÖt all here just to answer my question, but thanks anyway. All this stuff actually has me more interested in the whole thing. One question I have that nobody seemed to explain. The numbers on this page do seem to make sense. / http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/p/lies-on-every-page.html / I just donGÇÖt see how players have taken home over 227 trillion ISK (over 250 now) unless I am realllly missing something. Thanks again!
That statement is pretty much true, most of that ISK is really blink credit. Not to mention the values tend to be a bit bloated.
I bet on interceptors most of the time, when I win one, Blink considers that winning amount to be 20 million, when they are actually only 10-11 million, the winning amount is overinflated.[/quote]
Ariel, Somewhere in this pile I mentioned that all casinos advertise how much their customers have won, and leave out how much it cost them to win it. The metric Somer uses is "Value of Blink Credit Won" which is the total value of all the prizes a player has won and is not the total profit or the amount los loss possibly sustained. In my case, that figure is something just over 5 trillion in the value of Blink credit won. Does that mean I am sitting on a pile of prizes worth 5T? That I really have over 200 Moros? No, that means I won it, but I recycled it to bet again. That 5T is not profit, it is a list of how many things you have won. it is a metric wihich RL casinos do not measure. It would be like a RL casino counting every winning hand you had and dismissing the losing hands. "Look At John Smith who won over $5,000 at our casino, and (cough) it only cost him (cough,cough) over $8 grand to do it!" is not a road side sign we we will ever see near a casino. I won a Moros, redeemed it for a generous blink credit plus 5% and even if I lost it all in two minutes the Moros is still listed as having been won, because I did win the Moros, but it does not mean that I still have the moros or the value of the moros in ISK.
To respond to Ashera's remark, I view the over the market value placed on prizes by Somer as generous and Ashera uses the terms bloated and over-inflated. I think they are generous becasue they give the player more blink credit to use in the game and even when the 5% bonus is not applied to a prize that is exchanged for isk, the player is receiving more Isk than the prize is worth on the market. At one point, I thought I would make a boatload of cash redeeming the prizes and selling them on the market but I never found a market where the prizes would bring a price greater than the Isk I received when I sold the prize to Somer for Isk. And for me to to sell the prize for a profit on the market, Somer would have to have valued the prize quite low to over come the tax and broker's fee that go along with selling on the market. So I don't see the higher than market valuations Somer places on the redeemed Isk value of the prizes with the negative connotations of bloated and over-inflated. On Wheel of Fortune, the "Brand New Car" the spinner wins is valued at sticker price and how many cars sell for sticker price? The higher than market value on the prize plus the 5% bonus for redeeming it for blink credit are marketing tools which keep players in the game and Somer from actually having to acquire and possibly transport the two hundred Moros I have won. Doesn't every business use marketing tools to keep you in the store and to lower their cost of doing business?
Add to that the value of the achievements. I have not totalled that amount of Blink credit I have received from the 167 achievements I have, but I did add up the 10 achievements I dont have which total 2 billlion and small change. Among the achievements I have won have been the five achievements I received for surpassing each of the 5 Trillion benchmarks, totals 14.999 billion alone, with a couple of dozen more at 1 billion or more. I will pick up another one is 4 days at 250 million. In total Somer has paid out 9.2 trillion in achievements. There is a lot of talk about how much Somer makes but little is said for how much she returns the players in achievements, minibonks from from free tokens and bonks that often return values greater than ticket sale totals. She also sponsors prizes for the alliance tournaments and I'm ashamed that I do not know the other major event she helps sponsor. The week long celebrations for the benchmarks, such as the 250T celebration we are having now are full of prize doublings, additional promo blinks which cost one free token to enter and may have a rorq, machariel, crusader (it is quite random) as the prize and every member who had been amember for over one week received a gift box with random gifts in them with the lowest being 5 million in blink credit, but ai have seen Legions and other ships in the scrolling of prizes and there are 47,875 blink accounts, Of course not all of them redeemed their gift boxes, but Somer was prepared to payout to all but the relative few who just joined.
Somer has never offered to double anyone's Isk, sold 1 plex for the price of 2, claimed to be quitting for years to get a handful of isk in exchange for a piece of trit or sold a regular apoc as a navy apoc. The door is open, anyone can come in and look around and ask questions to the real people who are there to play, like me. It is gambling and those who don't know when to quit can lose a lot if they decide to try to bet their way through a losing streak which is always a bad mistake they refuse to admit. |
XavierVE
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
166
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:14:00 -
[154] - Quote
Ashera Yune wrote:
One should never underestimate the power of greed. Its only natural to want more after getting a certain amount. You can effectively multiply the profits.
Not saying somer is doing it, just many speculations and rumors going around.
Rather stupid rumors and speculation then.
If one wants to be greedy to the point of "shill characters", one doesn't run legitimate promotions where they give away prizes worth anywhere from 50 million to well over a billion worth of isk just by playing a single token. I've won five promos worth around 2.5 billion, other corpmates have won literally a couple dozen promos. Crazy greedy people who are rigging the system with shill characters would shill character every promo to get every nickel. From firsthand experience, they're not doing that.
The fact that they make a bucketload of isk on every blink guaranteed means they've no real reason to "game the system for more greed" when they could do that by NOT offering promo blinks, or rigging every promo with "shill characters" to only give the illusion that the promotions are given away legitimately. Fact is, they don't need to use shill characters to make bucketloads of isk... they make bucketloads of isk simply by having the service itself.
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Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
19
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Posted - 2012.07.06 14:30:00 -
[155] - Quote
Takumi Ayaka wrote:Replacement 234 wrote:Takumi Ayaka wrote:*grabs a bag of popcorn*
still waiting on that API key ;) Did you even read my response to your demand for my api key in my earlier post? your question has been asked and answered - you will need more substantial food than popcorn. You gotta point me to the specific line in your last post where you ever responded to my question about your API key. I didnt see you responding to any of the allegations
First, understand this - I do not "gotta" do anything for you.
You want me to hold your hand while I read it to you and chew your popcorn for you, too? Any shoes need shining, lawn cutting?
This is one of the things in your life you will have to do on your own.
Let's see ... how many others have reported difficulty with this,,,,,,, oh, that would be none.
I will give you a hint and maybe you can do a search. Try to make a friend who can explain how to do a search.
"Would you offer up your main's API every time you express an opinion on the forums?"
Here is a bonus one.
"Have you done a contract search on me? All prizes the player wants to keep come from Blink in a contract."
See, these are easy ways people can find out pertinent answers. You could petition me, Blink, and everyone associated with Blink, including all of the 47,875 blink account holders and let the GMs go thru everything. The GMs would have a better idea of how the game is played than anyone you think has made a allegation - still waiting for a credible allegtion instead of unsubstantiated accusations, out of context quotes and screen shots which could have been taken of hundreds or even thousands of other regular players like me who happened to get lucky and win a few nice ones within a short amount of time. The record clearly shows that I've lost a whole lot more than I've won.
Have you looked at the information available on Blink's main stats page about me? Have you clicked on my avatar from that stats page and seen a whole page of information about my activities in Blink? Do you know I have physical impairments in the lower half of body which llimit my mobility thus giving me a great deal of time to pay the game - is that any of your Fu ck ing business? Have you ever lost an Isk to me? Have you ever had any contact with me other than this forum and whatever crap you may have read about me which may or may not be true? Have you blindly accepted what you may have read about me while you expect me to provide the details of this character's entire game experience? What stake do you have in this other than your personal nosiness? Have you considered the impact on the many, many people I have represented as a mediator in deals in which they wanted to remain anonymous? Who the hell are you to ask to see my API? Petition me or just go away.
I hope you find good fortune and good health, but I'm sure as hell not handing out my API to some looky loo in a forum post for all of Eve to see. When you pass an automobile accident, do you stop and ask the drivers for license, registration proof of insurance and urine sample? Who the hell do you think you are, anyway? |
Feanos
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2012.07.06 15:43:00 -
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As someone who blinks heavily (Down 10b this morning), I find this thread hilarious. While I don't play as much as some of the people here, blink is far from a scam. No matter the payout I've requested, from <1b to >10b, the longest I've ever had to wait is an hour or two at most. I've never once accepted a ship from one of my standard wins, because I tend to blink things that I can't physically fly, or things that I have no interest in, such as plexes.
That being said, I've cycled about 140b out of blink, 120b of that is stuff I've redeposited over time, taking my winnings and being happy with them. My win ratio would be alot higher if there were other people not so much like me and/or replacement, who tend to buy large sums of tickets on big heavy blinks. Makes for delicious profit over time, but it takes a looong time to turn a good profit on them.
My only gripe is that at this level, there's not a lot of achievements that are easily obtainable. And while sorely tempted to run for a bunch of them, I don't think my wallet would approve of it :D |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:37:00 -
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Hey Feanos, nice to see you outside of Blink/
Somewhere in this forest of pixels I've stated that since winning my bet, my strategy will change and definetely will be fewer tix.
The 12 of 16 is a good way to win yourself broke and now that I don't have a juicy bet waiting at the end of the rainbow, I have to concentrate on conserving capital.
You know that you are one of the of the players I always liked to avoid, because our styles were similar. I had to get 12 tix because every loss was nearly devastating and anyone who I knew to want more than 2tix was scary to me.
I always found you to be a good player who never did any of little things one player can do to another to throw to throw them off their concentration.
I'll miss seeing you around, but understand your reasons. I'll most likely have the same reasons soon myself
Good fortune and good health to you |
Sakura Hina
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:44:00 -
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Quote:See, these are easy ways people can find out pertinent answers. You could petition me, Blink, and everyone associated with Blink, including all of the 47,875 blink account holders and let the GMs go thru everything. The GMs would have a better idea of how the game is played than anyone you think has made a allegation...
Scamming within Eve as we all know is not Illegal, as we all know. So you can take all that ISK people still have in deposit once you cant pay them off anymore for whatever reason and run away
Quote: still waiting for a credible allegtion instead of unsubstantiated accusations, out of context quotes and screen shots which could have been taken of hundreds or even thousands of other regular players like me who happened to get lucky and win a few nice ones within a short amount of time.
As long as you don't post any API key there is NO PROOF of you receiving any winnings or beeing unassociated with the Site owner.
Quote:The record clearly shows that I've lost a whole lot more than I've won.
The record only show's the Bings you played and how many of them you won. It doesnt show how many ISK you invested, and how many you got back. Besides that...
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knobber Jobbler
193
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Posted - 2012.07.06 16:51:00 -
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No scam.
I set aside 1b ISK to try it out once, tried it out and I'm 1.2B ISK up on it and decided to quit while ahead.
I can see how people try to rig it but its no different really to spread betting which can be rigged but even then there is a chance you can lose, even if you buy 50% of the tickets. |
ROXGenghis
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:09:00 -
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[quote=Sakura Hina]Quote:you haven't explained why a blink player can be registered to blink before he was even created This was explained earlier in the thread.
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Varos Aldeland
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.07.06 17:12:00 -
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Sakura Hina wrote:As long as you don't post any API key there is NO PROOF of you receiving any winnings or beeing unassociated with the Site owner.
Even if he did, it still wouldn't be a 100% proof that he isn't. Fact is, short of you being able to literally go inside he and somer's mind, no "proof" will satisfy people like you.
Also, don't forget that you're on even shakier ground, you also have no proof that he didn't receive his winnings or is associated with somer.
Sakura Hina wrote: The record only show's the Bings you played and how many of them you won. It doesnt show how many ISK you invested. Besides that... you haven't explained why a blink player can be registered to blink before he was even created
You either fail at reading comprehension or just fail at being intelligent, take your pick. How a blink player can be registered to blink before he was created has been explained ad nauseum in this thread already, but I'm gonna do you a favor and go very slowly and maybe you can understand this time.
1. You are only allowed one blink account/character, regardless of how many eve accounts you have. ie. Joe Smith can only have one blink character, even if he has 10 accounts and 30 alts in EVE.
2. When people want to change the character they use with blink for whatever reason, whether they're planning to sell the character, they bought/train a new character that they want to use with blink (yea, people change characters in EVE, what a shocker!), the blink account is then transferred over to the new character.
3. While anyone with a functional level of brain activity and intelligence have already figured it out at this point, I'll give you an example just in case - Joe starts playing blink on July 1st of 2011 with the character Magic Pony, one year later he decided that ponies are lame, so he made a new character called Pony Sucks, and transferred his blink account to the new character. This means that even though Pony Sucks was only created days ago, on his blink account it'd look like he's been playing blink for a whole year!
If you still can't figure it out, you should probably go biomass yourself. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
52
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:06:00 -
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Varos Aldeland wrote:Sakura Hina wrote:As long as you don't post any API key there is NO PROOF of you receiving any winnings or beeing unassociated with the Site owner. Even if he did, it still wouldn't be a 100% proof that he isn't. Fact is, short of you being able to literally go inside he and somer's mind, no "proof" will satisfy people like you. Also, don't forget that you're on even shakier ground, you also have no proof that he didn't receive his winnings or is associated with somer. Sakura Hina wrote: The record only show's the Bings you played and how many of them you won. It doesnt show how many ISK you invested. Besides that... you haven't explained why a blink player can be registered to blink before he was even created
You either fail at reading comprehension or just fail at being intelligent, take your pick. How a blink player can be registered to blink before he was created has been explained ad nauseum in this thread already, but I'm gonna do you a favor and go very slowly and maybe you can understand this time. 1. You are only allowed one blink account/character, regardless of how many eve accounts you have. ie. Joe Smith can only have one blink character, even if he has 10 accounts and 30 alts in EVE. 2. When people want to change the character they use with blink for whatever reason, whether they're planning to sell the character, they bought/train a new character that they want to use with blink (yea, people change characters in EVE, what a shocker!), the blink account is then transferred over to the new character. 3. While anyone with a functional level of brain activity and intelligence have already figured it out at this point, I'll give you an example just in case - Joe starts playing blink on July 1st of 2011 with the character Magic Pony, one year later he decided that ponies are lame, so he made a new character called Pony Sucks, and transferred his blink account to the new character. This means that even though Pony Sucks was only created days ago, on his blink account it'd look like he's been playing blink for a whole year! If you still can't figure it out, you should probably go biomass yourself.
Its not possible to have an online system that limits "one per person". The very best scenario you can have is 1 per IP. Just sayin you missed that part.
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Feanos
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
1
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Posted - 2012.07.06 19:02:00 -
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Yeah, nice to come to the forums every now and then, particularly after the post you left in somer's chat Replacement 234.
I agree entirely though, I'm not a fan of the games of pushing people off onto things they try to do normally, but yeah. Blink is slowing down for me personally, as I'm hitting that point of, "Do I really need more isk?" If anyone wants to question it, I'm in the same boat as Replacement, and won't provide API's, but I can quite happily provide you screenshots of the corporate payouts I've gotten from them, as I don't do any other corporate level work. :) |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
20
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Posted - 2012.07.07 03:39:00 -
[164] - Quote
[quote=Sakura Hina]Quote:See, these are easy ways people can find out pertinent answers. You could petition me, Blink, and everyone associated with Blink, including all of the 47,875 blink account holders and let the GMs go thru everything. The GMs would have a better idea of how the game is played than anyone you think has made a allegation...
Scamming within Eve as we all know is not Illegal, as we all know. So you can take all that ISK people still have in deposit once you cant pay them off anymore for whatever reason and run away
Replacement 234 responds: Your statement "you cant pay them off anymore for whatever reason" seems to be apply to a ponzi scheme as what you describe is the tipping point at which they tumble. Blink is not operating in any fashion similar to a Ponzi scheme which survives as long as enough new money comes in to pay off the older investors and Blink has no investors and operates on a pay as you go system. As long as the players buy all the tickets for a blink, the isk is available to pay the winner. I think you have your sonspiracies confused.
Your statement about about being able to run away is true about blink, just as it is about CCP, Steam and the Goverments of many countries. That is certainly what ****** ******* tried to do with his billions in US currency stashed in so many places when he went undereground. But why would they run away from a golden goose? But more to the issue at hand: did you notice on the Blink stats page that they are holding over 405 Trillion in account deposits and who knows how many of nearly 200 prize categories of items they may have in stock ready to give out. I cannot fathom how many Moros or Rorqs or Phoenixes or harpies thay have sitting around. And it has been that way for well over a year, maybe even two as I don't even know when they went into business. It is interesting they have remained solvent, even thriving, during a period when so many governments around the word have faltered - oh my- - that would be a juicey conspiracy theory! But back to your.. well it is not really a point but more of a fascination - what could Blink be waiting for to take it all on the Lam? If they are not running now amd haven't run over the years, what could they be waiting for? I am merely an account holder and not privy to such information, you may have to ask them, or you could just make it up! Maybe they are waiting to buy Iceland with Plex. Although if they were going to buy country, Id prefer one closer to the US and one with a nice climate; maybe something Carribean where they could move Blink as I don't think they really have any reason to run away - you do know thay make a lot of Isk everyday and it doesn't seem like they have any reason run away. But you never know, right? BTW, would you lose anything if they closed up shop? Do you really have anything at stake? You know like most of the people who are answering this forum and are pleased with the way Blink is being run? I'm wondering what your motivation(s) might be in your pursuit here?
Quote: still waiting for a credible allegtion instead of unsubstantiated accusations, out of context quotes and screen shots which could have been taken of hundreds or even thousands of other regular players like me who happened to get lucky and win a few nice ones within a short amount of time.
As long as you don't post any API key there is NO PROOF of you receiving any winnings or beeing unassociated with the Site owner.
Replacement 234 responds: Interesting you should mention NO PROOF. I don't know or even care, where you live, but in my country people are innocent until proven guilty and we rely on courts to do that, at least a compentent neutral organization which has no stake in the outcome, but certainly not web sites run by someone who asked for a 49 billion payoff (49 billion? bizare number) not to put lies in his bio to ruin a respected ongoing enterprise. And that proof is available. We don't rely on a web source with an agenda and with little or no realiable history to offer up thngs with no provenance as evidence for mobs of conspiracy ready readers to launch lynching parties. It is the court system or a competent neutral party which must present untarnished evidence with a trail of evidentuary security which must prove guilt, not the accused who must prove innocence. I have seen no such relable neutral body offer up any reliable evidence of any wrong doing on my part. I do not yield to conspiracy theorists, usubstantiated accusations or to slander mongers. I will fully comply with any competent authority which has questions about events in which I may have been involved. Until then I will be happy to live under the quite tiny and insidnificant shadow of doubt you and others like you may try to cast over me. As I have explained ad nauseum, the release of my API will compromise many other players for whom I have acted as a mediator when players wanted anonymity during a transaction with other players. CCP would be the authority to investigate that and I welcome any such investigation you could provoke them to initiate. I await them, but not you are anyone like you.
to be continued in a later post |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
20
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Posted - 2012.07.07 03:39:00 -
[165] - Quote
reserved |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
20
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Posted - 2012.07.07 03:43:00 -
[166] - Quote
Replacement 234 wrote:[quote=Sakura Hina] Quote:See, these are easy ways people can find out pertinent answers. You could petition me, Blink, and everyone associated with Blink, including all of the 47,875 blink account holders and let the GMs go thru everything. The GMs would have a better idea of how the game is played than anyone you think has made a allegation...
Scamming within Eve as we all know is not Illegal, as we all know. So you can take all that ISK people still have in deposit once you cant pay them off anymore for whatever reason and run away Replacement 234 responds: Your statement "you cant pay them off anymore for whatever reason" seems to be apply to a ponzi scheme as what you describe is the tipping point at which they tumble. Blink is not operating in any fashion similar to a Ponzi scheme which survives as long as enough new money comes in to pay off the older investors and Blink has no investors and operates on a pay as you go system. As long as the players buy all the tickets for a blink, the isk is available to pay the winner. I think you have your sonspiracies confused. Your statement about about being able to run away is true about blink, just as it is about CCP, Steam and the Goverments of many countries. That is certainly what Sad Dam Hus Sein tried to do with his billions in US currency stashed in so many places when he went undereground. But why would they run away from a golden goose? But more to the issue at hand: did you notice on the Blink stats page that they are holding over 405 Trillion in account deposits and who knows how many of nearly 200 prize categories of items they may have in stock ready to give out. I cannot fathom how many Moros or Rorqs or Phoenixes or harpies thay have sitting around. And it has been that way for well over a year, maybe even two as I don't even know when they went into business. It is interesting they have remained solvent, even thriving, during a period when so many governments around the word have faltered - oh my- - that would be a juicey conspiracy theory! But back to your.. well it is not really a point but more of a fascination - what could Blink be waiting for to take it all on the Lam? If they are not running now amd haven't run over the years, what could they be waiting for? I am merely an account holder and not privy to such information, you may have to ask them, or you could just make it up! Maybe they are waiting to buy Iceland with Plex. Although if they were going to buy country, Id prefer one closer to the US and one with a nice climate; maybe something Carribean where they could move Blink as I don't think they really have any reason to run away - you do know thay make a lot of Isk everyday and it doesn't seem like they have any reason run away. But you never know, right? BTW, would you lose anything if they closed up shop? Do you really have anything at stake? You know like most of the people who are answering this forum and are pleased with the way Blink is being run? I'm wondering what your motivation(s) might be in your pursuit here? Quote: still waiting for a credible allegtion instead of unsubstantiated accusations, out of context quotes and screen shots which could have been taken of hundreds or even thousands of other regular players like me who happened to get lucky and win a few nice ones within a short amount of time.
As long as you don't post any API key there is NO PROOF of you receiving any winnings or beeing unassociated with the Site owner. Replacement 234 responds: Interesting you should mention NO PROOF. I don't know or even care, where you live, but in my country people are innocent until proven guilty and we rely on courts to do that, at least a compentent neutral organization which has no stake in the outcome, but certainly not web sites run by someone who asked for a 49 billion payoff (49 billion? bizare number) not to put lies in his bio to ruin a respected ongoing enterprise. And that proof is available. We don't rely on a web source with an agenda and with little or no realiable history to offer up thngs with no provenance as evidence for mobs of conspiracy ready readers to launch lynching parties. It is the court system or a competent neutral party which must present untarnished evidence with a trail of evidentuary security which must prove guilt, not the accused who must prove innocence. I have seen no such relable neutral body offer up any reliable evidence of any wrong doing on my part. I do not yield to conspiracy theorists, usubstantiated accusations or to slander mongers. I will fully comply with any competent authority which has questions about events in which I may have been involved. Until then I will be happy to live under the quite tiny and insidnificant shadow of doubt you and others like you may try to cast over me. As I have explained ad nauseum, the release of my API will compromise many other players for whom I have acted as a mediator when players wanted anonymity during a transaction with other players. CCP would be the authority to investigate that and I welcome any such investigation you could provoke them to initiate. I await them, but not you are anyone like you. to be continued in a later post
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Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
20
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Posted - 2012.07.07 05:15:00 -
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quote=Sakura Hina]Quote:Quote:The record clearly shows that I've lost a whole lot more than I've won. The record only show's the Bings you played and how many of them you won. It doesnt show how many ISK you invested. Besides that... you haven't explained why a blink player can be registered to blink before he was even created Replacement 234 replies: You are way out on a limb on this one. BTW the are called Blinks, not Bings, it is small error but it points to an overal lack of attention to detail, just as your Ponz Schemi reference did earlier. It is always helpful to decide which conspiracy you think you have found before you start casting accusations. I will address your second point first. It is obvious that you have bunched a lot of accusations together as my character was created long before the blink account was initiated making that accusation a non-issue for me and I fail to see why I must be the one to explain the simple way that can happen as it has been explained quite well by many others in this thread. Once again, lack of attention to detail, or maybe you just followed a link given you and this is the wrong thread. It always helps to do some homework before you decide to tar and feather someone. I will say that my blink account was created and initially financed quite plushly by another character of mine who I later determined needed to be used in another area and asked Blink to switch the account from one character to another. Now this addresses two points in the porridge of accusations; specifically the one for which I will now offer a second reason why the accusation was specious. A quwstion was asked how I, replacement 234 could afford to blink as I have blinked. The question revolved around a post I made while acting as a mediator to buy a character and told the seller I only had 9 billion ISK. The unknown buyer was the one with only 9 billion ISK, not I, as I had considerably more Isk at that time. Now when I took over this account from another character I own who financed it quite plushly and of course left it all behind as a blink player may not withdraw ISK, only redeem a won prize for ISK. I will not reveal how many charcters I own, CCP is quite aware of it, but I will tell you anyone one of them could easily produce Isk in numbers well over 9 billion Isk. Will I tell you how I got it? No, petition me for being amply supplied with Isk and I will be glad to answer any questions CCP may have as they pore over my voluminous records.
On the first part of your accusation. To date I have made 20,901 blinks and won 7,435. I'll do the math for you, so that means I have lost 13,466 which is a far greater number than 7,435. Some shill, can't even win half the time. Remember my strategy was to buy 12 of 16 tickets letting me own 75% of the available chances to win. Clearly I was not working under that strategy the whole time. If I owned 75% of the tickets, ask yourself how much the theory of probability would let me win, as I don't know and gee - that is why they call it gambling.
You make an accusation that I cannot address when you introduce how much Isk I lost on each item when I lost a blink. To determine that I would have to know how many tickets I bought on each of my now 20,901 blinks. I would also have to know how many of the 13,466 lost blinks were for Moros, orcas, Harpies or any of the nearly 200 different prizes blick offers. And just for the record, I have won every prize offered by blink as proven by my list of achievements. Blink changes the ship values as the markets move and that changes ticket prices, so I would have to know the all previous ticket prices and the exact moment they changed as it could have changed between two moros blinks, so I would need a time date stamp on each loss and I am not sure that even exists. BTW what was the exact mileage (to the ternth) on your car at these 13,466 different times and dates?
As to the first part of the question, the problem is like one of those pesky word problem found in some math text books except those text books give you all the data you need. It is clear that you want me to do your homewprk for you and I will not. I cannot give you the data you need and even if I could I would not. There is one more reason that permeates my being when confronted by people who virtually walk up to me on the street, quizzing me about what is my personal business as you have. It is absolutely none of your business until you own CCP. You have no tight to demand to know anything beyond the public record. You can have your doubts and your fears and your Tinfoil Belief Society agendas all you like. But by God, you will not have a piece of my personal information unless I decide to release it to you. |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
20
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Posted - 2012.07.07 05:34:00 -
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quote=Sakura Hina]Quote:Quote:The record clearly shows that I've lost a whole lot more than I've won. The record only show's the Bings you played and how many of them you won. It doesnt show how many ISK you invested. Besides that... you haven't explained why a blink player can be registered to blink before he was even created Replacement 234 replies: You are way out on a limb on this one. BTW the are called Blinks, not Bings, it is small error but it points to an overall lack of attention to detail, just as your Ponzi Schemi reference did earlier. It is always helpful to decide which conspiracy you think you have found before you start casting accusations. I will address your second point first. It is obvious that you have bunched a lot of accusations together as my character was created long before the blink account was initiated making that accusation a non-issue for me. It has been explained quite well by many others in this thread. Once again, lack of attention to detail, or maybe you just followed a link given you and this is the wrong thread. It always helps to do some homework before you decide to tar and feather someone. I will say that my blink account was created and initially financed quite plushly by another character of mine who I later determined needed to be used in another area and asked Blink to switch the account from one character to another. Now this addresses two points in the porridge of accusations; specifically the one for which I will now offer a second reason why the accusation was specious. A question was asked how I, replacement 234 could afford to blink as I have blinked. The question revolved around a post I made while acting as a mediator to buy a character and told the seller I only had 9 billion ISK. The unknown buyer was the one with only 9 billion ISK, not I, as I had considerably more Isk at that time. Now when I took over this blink account from another character I own who nicely financed it and of course left it all behind as a blink player may not withdraw ISK, only redeem a won prize for ISK. I will not reveal how many charcters I own, CCP is quite aware of it, but I will tell you anyone one of them could easily produce Isk in numbers well over 9 billion Isk. Will I tell you how I got it? No, petition me for being amply supplied with Isk and I will be glad to answer any questions CCP may have as they pore over my voluminous records.
On the first part of your accusation. To date I have made 20,901 blinks and won 7,435. I'll do the math for you, so that means I have lost 13,466 blinks which is a far greater number than 7,435. Some shill, can't even win half the time. Remember my strategy was to buy 12 of 16 tickets letting me own 75% of the available chances to win. Clearly I was not working under that strategy the whole time. If I owned 75% of the tickets, ask yourself how much the theory of probability would let me win, as I, being merely human, don't know and gee - that is why they call it gambling.
You make an accusation that I cannot address when you introduce how much Isk I lost on each item when I lost a blink. To determine that I would have to know how many tickets I bought on each of my now 20,901 blinks. I would also have to know how many of the 13,466 lost blinks were for Moros, orcas, Harpies or any of the nearly 200 different prizes blink offers. And just for the record, I have won every prize offered by blink as proven by my list of achievements. Blink changes the ship values as the markets move and that changes ticket prices, so I would have to know all previous ticket prices and the exact moment they changed as it could have changed between two moros blinks, so I would need a time date stamp on each loss and I am not sure that even exists. Blink has no downtime operating from their own server BTW what was the exact mileage (to the ternth) on your car at these 13,466 different times and dates?
As to the first part of the accusation, the problem is like one of those pesky word problem found in some math text books except those text books give you all the data you need. It is clear that you want me to do your homewprk for you and I will not. I cannot give you the data you need and even if I could I would not. There is one more reason that permeates my being when confronted by people who virtually walk up to me on the street, quizzing me about what is my personal business as you have done. It is absolutely none of your business until you own CCP. You have no right to demand to know anything beyond the public record. You can have your doubts and your fears and your Tinfoil Belief Society agendas all you like. But by God, you will not have a piece of my personal information unless I decide to release it to you. Petition the the hell out of me or go to hell, I don't care.
I will not waste my time with another baseless assumption of wrong doing. I will be glad to fully cooporate with CCP should they choose ask me any questions. The rest of you nosy conspiracy behind every tree types can just pull you tinfool hats down to your asses and inhale deeply. |
Flardowell
The Scope Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.07.07 07:48:00 -
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Blink without a doubt is a scam
I've played on multiple ultra blinks, playing against many of the people here defending it. I've usually bought 6-8 tickets per round, yet my win ratio is lower than someone who never buys more than 4? That makes total sense right?
Not to mention, today for example, I lost over 15b in one round due to a streak of roughly 20 losses at ultras, with NONE of them winning once, spending 6-8 tickets per
This game is a scam, its the best one I've ever seen because I've never been scammed in this game yet, but its happened now, and I will be walking away with a lighter wallet and a "kudos" to the somer team for making the most amazing scam in this game to date |
Kel Shek
Blue Sun Labs
0
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Posted - 2012.07.07 08:41:00 -
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wow. skimmed over most of the thread...
(and as a background note, I was away from the game for most of this character's existence. came back a few months ago)
in a way I "get" people who regard the fact that its gambling to fundamentally define it as a scam. and in a sense, for that angle... well ok. it is gambling, and they DO make money hand over fist. thats a given.
honestly if I had stopped after the first day of trying out blink, I might have thought it might be a little rigged. but I gave it a little more of a chance, and felt it was legit.
so far, I am well ahead. I have deposited to date, exactly 4.5b ISK. I've had about 620m ISK deposited in my wallet, I've won 3 promo's totaling to a bit over 2b worth, in addition to that I've received delivery of 13 PLEX, and probably about 2b worth of ships (in addition to the promos)
so that means I've significantly more than doubled my money. and it being THAT low of return, is after including for some pretty harsh dry spells.
I feel like my "technique" minimizes my odds of getting into the red. and so far it seems to work. while I've in short term bursts, spend a few hundred million and come out with nothing... other times like earlier this week, I turn about 400m into 9 plex (in my hangar, not just theoretical).
the way I see it, why would they cheat, when they can make SO much money being perfectly legit? sure cheating might make them more money in the short term. but if they can make that much and more without cheating... its just more sustainable to NOT cheat.
oh and I, at least, try to avoid the impulse to get multiple tickets. just doesn't make sense if its stuff that moves quick enough to get just as many tickets spent on individual rolls. |
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
53
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Posted - 2012.07.07 08:42:00 -
[171] - Quote
Quote: The rest of you nosy conspiracy behind every tree types can just pull your tinfool hats down to your asses and inhale deeply.
Eh, that's why people don't consider it a scam, because its overt.
But the problem is people go to the site and spend more than the cost of what they are gambling on.
They would have to be ******** to do so.
Yet it happens a lot.
So if you don't already understand why people "have their tinfoil hats out", you probably never will.
I realize that that's not exactly what you are talking about, but you pretty much HAVE to see how it raises suspicion. I mean, how many people do you know that spent a lot of money on a raffle, or better yet lottery to increase their chance of winning? Probably at least 1 or 2.
Now think about how many people you know that bought MORE raffle tickets than the prizes' worth? How many people do you know that went out and played 000-777 on the 3 digit lottery? Because that is what people do on that site.
Co-incidentally, I went to somerblink yesterday to see if people still did just that. When I was there there was a "present" waiting for me. I cashed it out, bought a ticket, and cashed out permanently. Thanks OP. |
Hacklespur Harrowhound
The Abdication Corporation WHY so Seri0Us
0
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Posted - 2012.07.07 09:01:00 -
[172] - Quote
Somer Blink trains up Damage Control II, news at 11. |
Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.07 10:05:00 -
[173] - Quote
Flardowell wrote:Blink without a doubt is a scam
I've played on multiple ultra blinks, playing against many of the people here defending it. I've usually bought 6-8 tickets per round, yet my win ratio is lower than someone who never buys more than 4? That makes total sense right?
Not to mention, today for example, I lost over 15b in one round due to a streak of roughly 20 losses at ultras, with NONE of them winning once, spending 6-8 tickets per
This game is a scam, its the best one I've ever seen because I've never been scammed in this game yet, but its happened now, and I will be walking away with a lighter wallet and a "kudos" to the somer team for making the most amazing scam in this game to date
Haha. hilarious, you lose some isk to blink and it's a scam? Priceless, one for the bio |
Naya Sky
Serra Industries
1
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Posted - 2012.07.07 10:19:00 -
[174] - Quote
As a common saying goes "lotteries are a tax on people who are bad at math".
In a nutshell Blink is 'selling' items for 50% mark-ups. So for every item that is won in the lottery Blink gets this much profits. This fact alone tells you that by definition Blink 'wins' more than the players do. House always wins.
The fact that their lotteries are not transparent means that there is a possibility that some lotteries might be rigged (you could easily rig a couple % of lotteries and nobody would know).
Is Blink a scam? It's not a scam directly because you will always get your winnings. So from this perspective it's not a scam.
But it's possible that there are more subtle ways of indirect scamming involved. Like mentioned before, they could be rigging let's say 1% of micro lotteries. Nobody would know and the already exorbitant profits would be even larger.
So yea, some people win money, while most of them lose it. If you won some decent ISK then gratz to you - but play 100x times more and you won't come out on top. It's basic math and probability. |
lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
13
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Posted - 2012.07.07 10:26:00 -
[175] - Quote
http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com says that about 70% or 180 trillions out of 260 trillions of blink winnings are turned back into Somer Blink's wallet. So, when you earn 70%, would you make a biggest scam in EVE to get also a part of those remaining 30%? Would you rig 1.8 MILLION blinks? Really?
The real question is what you possibly could do with those 180 trillions. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
32
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Posted - 2012.07.07 10:33:00 -
[176] - Quote
Dev twitter outright said the largest ingame wallet, corp or personal, is 5.5T.
This thread, so far, has been a blog with a lot of flawed logic. A bunch of people that said they won a bunch and it's clearly not a scam. A bunch of people that said they lost a bunch and it's clearly a scam. A few people saying it would be stupid to scam with this, but there's no way to know either way objectively. The guy who runs the russian site that looks exactly like blink accusing blink of being RMT. Someone acting entitled to a stranger's API. And a few people who have never posted before this thread that have enough tinfoil to resurface the moon.
I have now summarized every post before and after this one. |
Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.07 12:38:00 -
[177] - Quote
gam-+ble (gmbl) v. gam-+bled, gam-+bling, gam-+bles v.intr. 1. a. To bet on an uncertain outcome, as of a contest. b. To play a game of chance for stakes. 2. To take a risk in the hope of gaining an advantage or a benefit. 3. To engage in reckless or hazardous behaviour v.tr. 1. To put up as a stake in gambling; wager. 2. To expose to hazard; risk n. 1. A bet, wager, or other gambling venture. 2. An act or undertaking of uncertain outcome; a risk:
That ^^
If you think it's a scam, don't play. Just like you don't give isk to those "Isk doublers, giving up the game, doing a study on physcology" types in Jita local.
If you do play and lose don't bother creating a delicious tear fest of a blog because at the end of the day, blink will always have customers. Let those customers decide on their own.
Replacement 234 has done a damn good job of explaining his position, something he didn't have to do and something he obviously spent more time doing than the joker who created that blog did gathering "Evidence".
You can chase your tail all day long, simple fact is, if you think it's a scam don't play, simples :)
Nicely summed up Abditus Cularius.
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lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
13
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Posted - 2012.07.07 19:46:00 -
[178] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:Dev twitter outright said the largest ingame wallet, corp or personal, is 5.5T.
This thread, so far, has been a blog with a lot of flawed logic. A bunch of people that said they won a bunch and it's clearly not a scam. A bunch of people that said they lost a bunch and it's clearly a scam. A few people saying it would be stupid to scam with this, but there's no way to know either way objectively. The guy who runs the russian site that looks exactly like blink accusing blink of being RMT. Someone acting entitled to a stranger's API. And a few people who have never posted before this thread that have enough tinfoil to resurface the moon.
I have now summarized every post before and after this one.
Wallet size does not prove anything. If one is not "mostly-retired" as Akita T, it could just mean that Somer Blink is investing its ISK in assets. |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
24
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Posted - 2012.07.07 20:29:00 -
[179] - Quote
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:I will say there are some rather suspicious toons winning everything in sight.
The person who won the 250b in the last super event was someone I had never seen blink, ever, and I was blinking a lot during the few months going into the 200T event. Does make you take a double look and wonder if there are some shenanigans going on, especially since it is ungoverned by anyone other than Somer herself.
That being said I have either broken even, or made isk when playing. Also have won close to 3b from Promo blinks alone. There sadly are strings of playing where I can lose every single blink though. Latest was 325m with 0 wins on low priced blinks ranging from 2.5-35m.
Never saw him....
Well, I just spent 2 minutes doing a little research and found he had 62 awards before 200T started and he first played in mid April of 2012.
And btw, he won 200 Bisk not 250.
I guess some people play at different times, maybe. And with over 48k of players, I'll bet I've missed one or two myself.
Still seem suspicious?
Homework is such an easy thing - you know, when I was a kid and didn't do my homework, which was more often than not, I'd stand up in front of the class staring at the the problem on the chalkboard that looked just like the one on last night's homwwork while the other three kids who had done their homework breezed through their problems and all I could here was the class snickering behind me.
I think that is true in adult life, when people make statements without doing their homework, others laugh at them. |
Amandrace
MineMaster Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.07.08 02:53:00 -
[180] - Quote
Well, experience as a new and done user here.
Never heard of this before, but Kil2 was sponsored by them so I checked them out. Very slick In game browser site and easy to get carried away. I ended up blowing 750m ISK overall, but I have to say my overall winnings actually come out to an acceptable level. I mostly tried frigate and cruiser hulls but every once in a while I'd 'go big' on a Rorqual or something. My win rate on the small ships was well within statistical chance, but it pisses me off that the 'large ticket' items like said Rorquals and other caps always seemed to be played by 4-10 tickets of the same person. Sure it's a calculated risk on their part but with those odds, hell if I had billions to bankroll I sppose I would too.
At any rate, I can say my 750m therapy session is much the same as your average casino. I won a control tower and some other ships for over 400m, but got suckered in to play some more. This site is dangerously addicting, until you realize the millions you are clicking away are equating to hours of work. I don't even want to guess the profit margin the site operates at, but I can see how people with a real life prediliction to gambling addiction would end up losing it all here.
In summary, this site is no more evil than your local casino. Just gotta know your limits. |
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Sakura Hina
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.08 03:16:00 -
[181] - Quote
Flardowell wrote:Blink without a doubt is a scam
I've played on multiple ultra blinks, playing against many of the people here defending it. I've usually bought 6-8 tickets per round, yet my win ratio is lower than someone who never buys more than 4? That makes total sense right?
Not to mention, today for example, I lost over 15b in one round due to a streak of roughly 20 losses at ultras, with NONE of them winning once, spending 6-8 tickets per
This game is a scam, its the best one I've ever seen because I've never been scammed in this game yet, but its happened now, and I will be walking away with a lighter wallet and a "kudos" to the somer team for making the most amazing scam in this game to date
More accusations coming in, what does Replacement has to say to this?
Its pretty obvious that you are the ****** thats operating the site, iam very sorry for scamming all those customers so the big blinks can start fasta |
Replacement 234
Studies and Observation Group - Eve
24
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Posted - 2012.07.08 04:34:00 -
[182] - Quote
Sakura Hina wrote:Flardowell wrote:Blink without a doubt is a scam
I've played on multiple ultra blinks, playing against many of the people here defending it. I've usually bought 6-8 tickets per round, yet my win ratio is lower than someone who never buys more than 4? That makes total sense right?
Not to mention, today for example, I lost over 15b in one round due to a streak of roughly 20 losses at ultras, with NONE of them winning once, spending 6-8 tickets per
This game is a scam, its the best one I've ever seen because I've never been scammed in this game yet, but its happened now, and I will be walking away with a lighter wallet and a "kudos" to the somer team for making the most amazing scam in this game to date More accusations coming in, what does Replacement has to say to this? Its pretty obvious that you are the ****** thats operating the site, iam very sorry for scamming all those customers so the big blinks can start fasta
Do you even read the posts that are not unfounded butthurt accusations from people who don't know to gamble or stop when they are losings like this one?
Learn the defnition of win ratio as obviously neither you or the poster know what it means. Once you learn it, it will make perfect sense.
read this post, it addresses exactly what you tried to ask: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1589300#post1589300
I am not the six asterisks of that site, I am just a regular player who wins and loses and knows when to quit when it is not going my way. Have you been watching me play tonight? I would be having a night like the one the poster said she had, but I don't try to play thru a losing streak, I walk away.
Have you ever heard of the Theory of Probability? Have you studied it? Do you know there is chance involved in gambling?
Post 10,000 more just like this one - there must be at least that many more people out there who don't know when to stop and/or the basics of gambling. Go pester the GMs to step in - I'm done with your half baked anecdotal posts. And please never gamble anywhere, not even a state lottery or a football pool or you will make a big fool out of yourself claiming that because some people know how and when to gamble and win more than those who don't - it's gotta be rigged.
What is your motivation in this? You are obviously somone's alt. Three posts on the forums in three years, 2 here and one on the really brainy forum about rating the looks of the avatar above you. Why are you so interested in this whole thing anyway. You are not the only one who can ask questions but I doubt there will be any credible answers to the ones I've asked you.
Maybe you are the "brainy" one in your chapter of the Tinfoil Belief Society. Isn't there a UFO following you around right now that is more important than you asking ridiculous questions about things you don't understand?
Really, you have worn me down - claim victory and do a dance or something on your keyboard. This is the last you are getting out of me until you buy CCP or pester them into asking me questions. You are the supreme Troll, I nominate you for the world's championship of trolling.
I wish you good fortune and good luck in life.
Goodbye |
Sierra Skyy
Mining Missioning And Cargo Security Services
7
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Posted - 2012.07.08 04:38:00 -
[183] - Quote
Andre Cadelanne wrote:http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/p/lies-on-every-page.htmlwell some of this on that page is true, other things are plain wrong, because the guy who wrote it didnt switch his brain on For example the thing about the 159 Trillion difference, allegadely now in Somers possesion. As surely is written somewhere here, the win you make is something around 20% less than all tickets are worth. Now assume you deposit 1B, blink it all away and then get blink credit out of the ships you won. This will be around 800m. Now you do this again with the 800m - and than again and again and again until you have approximately 320m deposit left. By that time your "winnings" in the stats he speaks about (what people truly not all have taken home) will have accumulated to roughly 3.25B - now you blink away the left 320, win approximately 250m and pay them out. Now by the calculation the guy from the blog does Somer has earned 3.5B - 250m = 3.25B But in truth there only has been a deposit of 1B^^ and the true money made by blink in this example is 1b-250m = 750m, quite a difference I'd say. Also that dude has not figured in the promotion blinks, which, I suppose, eat up a lot of somers winnings. I dont say Blink doesnt generates a shitload of ISK, in fact it does and this is undeniable, but its not a scam.
Hmmm... By your math, you seem to AGREE with the page in question on the blog. Take another look. Blink Exposed states that players are only receiving about 30% of the total of the prizes that Blink says are "taken home". The other 70% presumably becomes Blink profit.
30% of 250 trillion is 75 trillion in prizes awarded to players. 70% of 250 trillion is 175 trillion for Blink.
This is within 5% of what YOU say, where Blink is making 75%. (Your example being 750 million profit for Blink out of a billion invested by the player, being 75%)
You aren't the only person failing to see this. The blog writer is absolutely correct in this regard, and some pro-Blinkers have admitted this also.
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Danica Kaliinen
Kronos TEchnologies
116
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Posted - 2012.07.08 07:01:00 -
[184] - Quote
Tried it... Won an Apocalyspe and two Brutix BCs... Spent 348mil, which is more than the combined value of the ships. Was fun, though. The big items almost seemed to autofill. I only got a ticket when I started them, and then, I could only get one. |
Sierra Skyy
Mining Missioning And Cargo Security Services
9
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Posted - 2012.07.08 17:53:00 -
[185] - Quote
Will someone from Somer Blink please confirm or deny the statements on this specific page?
http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/p/lies-on-every-page.html
Have Blink players really taken home, as of now, over 262 trillion ISK as stated on your website?
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.07.08 18:15:00 -
[186] - Quote
Quote:EVE ONLINE PLAYERS HAVE LOST OVER 150 TRILLION ISK TO SOMER BLINK
Wow. I took a look at take in to payout and came up with the same number.
I only have 2 years of college, but I only had to use jr. high math to figure that out.
My kid is 13. I am going to show him somerblinks website and ask him to do the same math today. I bet he comes up with the same answer. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.07.08 19:04:00 -
[187] - Quote
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpg You lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket.
2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra.
585,504,190 per win.
21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average.
3,864,183,476,388 invested.
3,842,664,001,750 paid out.
You are either one lucky ************, or a shill. They have a 35% take. |
Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.08 19:51:00 -
[188] - Quote
Troll troll troll troll troll troll troll
You really are pretty stupid aren't you?
Taken home means "Won prizes to the value of". Whether or not the player has cashed out or exchanged for blink credit is their decision.
Quote:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpg You lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket. 2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra. 585,504,190 per win. 21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average. 3,864,183,476,388 invested. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpgYou lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket. 2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra. 585,504,190 per win. 21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average. 3,864,183,476,388 invested. 3,842,664,001,750 paid out. You are either one lucky ************, or a shill. They have a 35% take.
Another thicket. Just because he has won items to the value of 3,842,664,001,750 paid out does not mean he actually cashed out and exchanged them for isk and then ended up with that isk in his wallet. The way he managed to accrue this amount was by exchanging prizes for blink credit or cycling the isk, in other words for the obviously less intelligent ones, exchanging a prize for isk then transferring that isk straight back to blink. Try actually learning how blink works before thinking you know how it does.
*sigh* You really need a better argument |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
489
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Posted - 2012.07.08 20:18:00 -
[189] - Quote
*brainfart* FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 20:53:00 -
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How many times must this simple question be answered?
Have you ever seen an advertisement for any real life casino which says somethng like." Over a Gazillion quarters have been won in our slot mchines!"
Do you think over a gazillion quarters have been taken home?
You know, you can keep changing alts but that will never make the stupid statements and wilda$$ accusations sound any smarter. You have to know a little something about what you are ranting against to make sense. |
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Sierra Skyy
Mining Missioning And Cargo Security Services
9
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Posted - 2012.07.08 20:55:00 -
[191] - Quote
Pariah Fenwick wrote: Troll troll troll troll troll troll troll
You really are pretty stupid aren't you?
Taken home means "Won prizes to the value of". Whether or not the player has cashed out or exchanged for blink credit is their decision.
1. Troll? No. I'd say my post was quite ON topic.
2. Stupid? No. I'd say my point is pretty obvious, except you aren't seeing it.
3. Since when does "taken home"' mean what you describe?
Let's say you go to a casino with $100. You buy in at a blackjack table with that $100. You play for a few hours winning $1000 worth of bets. You also lose $1100 worth of bets. You have now lost your $100 buy in, and decide to go home.
HOW MUCH HAVE YOU TAKEN HOME?
4. I won't insult you and call you names. I will give you the opportunity to think about this and come up with the correct answer.
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.07.08 21:02:00 -
[192] - Quote
Pariah Fenwick wrote:Troll troll troll troll troll troll troll You really are pretty stupid aren't you? Taken home means "Won prizes to the value of". Whether or not the player has cashed out or exchanged for blink credit is their decision. Quote:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpg You lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket. 2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra. 585,504,190 per win. 21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average. 3,864,183,476,388 invested. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpgYou lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket. 2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra. 585,504,190 per win. 21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average. 3,864,183,476,388 invested. 3,842,664,001,750 paid out. You are either one lucky ************, or a shill. They have a 35% take. Another thicket. Just because he has won items to the value of 3,842,664,001,750 paid out does not mean he actually cashed out and exchanged them for isk and then ended up with that isk in his wallet. The way he managed to accrue this amount was by exchanging prizes for blink credit or cycling the isk, in other words for the obviously less intelligent ones, exchanging a prize for isk then transferring that isk straight back to blink. Try actually learning how blink works before thinking you know how it does. *sigh* You really need a better argument
He "won" 100% of what he paid into a system that only pays 5.4:8.
For every 8 isk taken in, 5.4 is "paid out". For every ISK he is paying, he is taking 1. He should be taking .675 ISK per Isk he is paying.
Again, amazing luck or a shill. If you don't think its amazing luck try it yourself.
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Hurtado Soneka
Serenity Prime
68
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Posted - 2012.07.08 21:06:00 -
[193] - Quote
i enjoy playin but its defo a rip off, how you value your fun is up to you |
Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.08 21:06:00 -
[194] - Quote
Sierra Skyy wrote:Pariah Fenwick wrote: Troll troll troll troll troll troll troll
You really are pretty stupid aren't you?
Taken home means "Won prizes to the value of". Whether or not the player has cashed out or exchanged for blink credit is their decision.
1. Troll? No. I'd say my post was quite ON topic. 2. Stupid? No. I'd say my point is pretty obvious, except you aren't seeing it. 3. Since when does "taken home"' mean what you describe? Let's say you go to a casino with $100. You buy in at a blackjack table with that $100. You play for a few hours winning $1000 worth of bets. You also lose $1100 worth of bets. You have now lost your $100 buy in, and decide to go home. HOW MUCH HAVE YOU TAKEN HOME?4. I won't insult you and call you names. I will give you the opportunity to think about this and come up with the correct answer.
You are trolling because as we all know this isn't a real casino. As far as blink is concerned whatever people win they "take home". Blink cannot predict that those people are going to cash out, or recycle their isk so it all gets added to the same figure. |
Sierra Skyy
Mining Missioning And Cargo Security Services
9
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Posted - 2012.07.08 21:20:00 -
[195] - Quote
Pariah Fenwick wrote: You are trolling because as we all know this isn't a real casino. As far as blink is concerned whatever people win they "take home". Blink cannot predict that those people are going to cash out, or recycle their isk so it all gets added to the same figure.
LOL. Trolling or not has nothing to do with Blink being a real casino or not. My posts are on topic.
As far as your second statement.
It has nothing to do with "predicting" anything. A choice is made by the player which payout option to take. That choice is processed by the website. It's not some mystery.
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Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.08 21:26:00 -
[196] - Quote
Sierra Skyy wrote:Pariah Fenwick wrote: You are trolling because as we all know this isn't a real casino. As far as blink is concerned whatever people win they "take home". Blink cannot predict that those people are going to cash out, or recycle their isk so it all gets added to the same figure.
LOL. Trolling or not has nothing to do with Blink being a real casino or not. My posts are on topic. As far as your second statement. It has nothing to do with "predicting" anything. A choice is made by the player which payout option to take. That choice is processed by the website. It's not some mystery.
Incorrect, the site does not add a figure won to it's total "isk taken home" and then take it back off that figure if the player decides to exchange his prize for blink credit. If you refresh the blink page often enough you will notice that as soon as a blink is won that "Total isk won" amount goes up by the value of that blink that just ended. As far as the website stats go, the player has won that isk. Also look at how long blink has been running, nearly 2 years? Blinks running every day all day for 2 years and you are amazed that 250T isk has been won?
You are playing on the words "Players have taken home". Players have won that much isk and then decided for themselves whether they have "taken it home" or not, that is not something blink can predict.
You are arguing over how blink has worded its total isk won, so maybe if it said "Total isk won by players" it would be better? |
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Posted - 2012.07.08 22:37:00 -
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Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Pariah Fenwick wrote:Troll troll troll troll troll troll troll You really are pretty stupid aren't you? Taken home means "Won prizes to the value of". Whether or not the player has cashed out or exchanged for blink credit is their decision. Quote:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpg You lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket. 2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra. 585,504,190 per win. 21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average. 3,864,183,476,388 invested. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpgYou lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket. 2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra. 585,504,190 per win. 21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average. 3,864,183,476,388 invested. 3,842,664,001,750 paid out. You are either one lucky ************, or a shill. They have a 35% take. Another thicket. Just because he has won items to the value of 3,842,664,001,750 paid out does not mean he actually cashed out and exchanged them for isk and then ended up with that isk in his wallet. The way he managed to accrue this amount was by exchanging prizes for blink credit or cycling the isk, in other words for the obviously less intelligent ones, exchanging a prize for isk then transferring that isk straight back to blink. Try actually learning how blink works before thinking you know how it does. *sigh* You really need a better argument He "won" 100% of what he paid into a system that only pays 5.4:8. For every 8 isk taken in, 5.4 is "paid out". For every ISK he is paying, he is taking 1. He should be taking .675 ISK per Isk he is paying. Again, amazing luck or a shill. If you don't think its amazing luck try it yourself. If I buy half the tickets (each ticket being 22 mil) on a regular Raven right now, it would cost me 88mil and if by gambling with half of the tickets in the game, I should by some stroke of luck win, Blink would deliver it to any station in in high sec for free.
I could buy the lowest priced regular Raven in the Forge Regional Market for 149,999,999 if I travelled to some system called Akora (10 jumps from Jita and in low sec) in a ship I would have to be able to survive the trip in and then do something with that ship if I made it there and have enough fittings with me to have a chance to get back to jita.
I could just stay in Jita and right now, buy a regular Raven for 153,798,256.40 (subject to change in seconds)
I think instead of using percentages where some apply to the entire game and some apply to just one player and using the percentage which will cast the worst light, I would rather look at real numbers compared to real numbers and take my chances with luck. The luck of making it thru gate ganks, the harsh and dangerous environment of space, or the odds at a gambling table are my options as they are for all citizens of New Eden and I wish each of them success with any option they choose.
Did you know that math text books are the least most often book checked out of libraries? |
Goremageddon Box
Guerrilla Flotilla
251
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Posted - 2012.07.08 22:50:00 -
[198] - Quote
I tried somer through this thread.
Started with 29 mil and ended up with a tempest and a megathron.
I eventually sold them because the feeling of bidding on other stuff was too great, but u win some u lose some.
still turned a profit from when i started.
sitting on around 100 mil now or so. better than 29 when i started. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.07.09 01:25:00 -
[199] - Quote
Quote:If I buy half the tickets (each ticket being 22 mil) on a regular Raven right now, it would cost me 88mil and if by gambling with half of the tickets in the game, I should by some stroke of luck win, Blink would deliver it to any station I designate in high sec for free.
I could buy the lowest priced regular Raven in the Forge Regional Market for 149,999,999 if I travelled to some system called Akora (10 jumps from Jita and in low sec) in a ship I would have to be able to survive the trip in and then do something with that ship if I made it there and have enough fittings with me to have a chance to get back to jita.
I could just stay in Jita and right now, buy a regular Raven for 153,798,256.40 (subject to change in seconds)
I think instead of using percentages where some apply to the entire game and some apply to just one player and using the percentage which will cast the worst light, I would rather look at real numbers compared to real numbers and take my chances with luck. The luck of making it thru gate ganks, the harsh and dangerous environment of space, or the odds at a gambling table are my options as they are for all citizens of New Eden and I wish each of them success with any option they choose.
Did you know that math text books are the least most often book checked out of libraries?
I did look at real numbers, and his luck is either feigned or incredible.
Its not like a sample of <100. Its a sample of tens of thousands.
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Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 07:52:00 -
[200] - Quote
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpg You lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket.
2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra.
585,504,190 per win.
21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average.
3,864,183,476,388 invested.
3,842,664,001,750 paid out.
You are either one lucky ************, or a shill. They have a 35% take.
Ok I am going to try and explain it one more time.
If replacement 234 buys 12 tickets on a rorq (something he often did) he would pay 12 x 224,500,000 isk = 2,694,000,000 isk If he wins said rorq he currently gets 3,214,800,000 isk.
Ok this is where your figures gain some inaccuracies.
If replacement 234 exchanges that prize for blink credit (which he very often does) he then gets an extra 5% on top of the winning amount, so 3,375,540,000 isk. Hence he now has 3,375,540,000 isk blink credit. Rinse and repeat this cycle 5 times, as it is entirely possible he would win 5 rorqs 5 times in a row buying 12 out of 16 tickets.
His winnings would say 16,074,000,000 isk but he actually only deposited an initial deposit of 2.694,000,000 isk OF HIS OWN ISK.
This is how blink credit and recycling works, just because he played so many thousand blinks does not mean he paid raw isk for them, just recycled blink credit. It is very common for blink players stats to say they have won more than they deposited because blink does not include prizes exchanged for blink credit into the isk deposited figure.
I cannot explain it any clearer, the only thing that has come about this whole post is that blink maybe should word the total figure won better. Everything is guessed and inaccurate.
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Rocket Rose
Obscure Industrial Visions
12
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Posted - 2012.07.09 10:54:00 -
[201] - Quote
Danica Kaliinen wrote:Tried it... Won an Apocalyspe and two Brutix BCs... Spent 348mil, which is more than the combined value of the ships. Was fun, though. The big items almost seemed to autofill. I only got a ticket when I started them, and then, I could only get one.
Blink players have to be quick clickers when a new blink appears. Someone mentioned that FPS experience was helpful for fast targetting and clicking on the tickets they wanted as the board jumps around to give every player the same chance to find their desired number.
It seems the large ISK items have the blinkers with most experience at clicking fast on the numbers you want.
It is certainly no time to dawdle and say, "hmmm now what were the other tickets I wanted ........" because they are already gone by that time
When there is a promo, it may get 250 tickets taken out in under ten seconds. So you can imagine if 250 players are after the 8 or 16 tickets on an expensive blink, the fast on the draw are the gunslingers who get the numbers they want.
But that is all part of the excitement and fun - but I can see how it can frustrating for a new player not expecting such rapid buying, but then the big blinks can sit there for a half hour with one or two tickets still for sale... The smart blinkers have been watching the numbers and going for the ones that seem to hit more often as all of the numbers rotate thru their cycles in the theory of probability. Very interesting reading for anyone who wants to gamble on any game like Blink.
A tip is to clear the cache in your internet browser and close as many processes as you can. You can google instructions for whatever browser you are using for clearing the cache. In windows, I do a disk cleanup and defrag every before I play. I live in the part of the US where the only internet connection is thru either dialup or Hughes net which is about the lowest rated satelite ISP service out there - so many DCs and almost no part of Eve where I would want to play can be done on dialup anymore. I read recently somewhere about how many dialup players they have and was shocked, but I might counted as one of those, but when Hughes out and I need to change a training, I'll use the dialup we have as backup.
I can almost ell what kind of blazing ISP connections some players have, just by watching move around so much fster than I can. When I see in chat players talking about playing from work on from college campuses - I know the have me beat on the quick draw.
But we didn't buy this spread and move to Big Sky Country for fast internet connections - course, there was no such thing as an internet connection when we moved out here, anyway.
Well, good luck to you - just do all you can to make sure your compter is working as fast as it can to give yourself as much of an advantage as you can get. |
Saithe
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
15
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Posted - 2012.07.09 11:29:00 -
[202] - Quote
Somer Blink is a business. A business' purpose is to provide a service for a profit.
I have deposited 500mil and lost it all, but I have also deposited 300mil and won a vindicator, navythron, and 2 nagas. (this actually just happened yesterday, feel free to check my contract history)
Do they make a profit on every blink? Of course, you'd have to be extremely thick not to realize that.
I personally would like to see some investigation in to the characters who buy up 3/4 of the ultra and mega blink tickets each and constantly lose. Sure, they will win once in a while, but their success rate has to be terrible compared to the isk spent. |
Blastcaps Madullier
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ethereal Dawn
55
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Posted - 2012.07.09 11:48:00 -
[203] - Quote
I've played a fair few times and never been scammed by somer, one time accidently sent the entire contents of my wallet by accident while making a deposit (apparently when sending isk to someone if you put one extra number in by mistake and it's more than you have in your wallet eve decides you wanted to send all your wallet lol) and had to wait a few hours for one of the directors to get on but got my isk back :)
one of my corp mates had to wait 4 days for a ship hul once that he'd won, but they still delivered it in the end. :)
legit yep scam nope
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Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 13:56:00 -
[204] - Quote
As I promised we continue to watch somers blink.
Don't you see something strange in this picture? )))))))))))))))))))))
RMT or Laundering or cheating promos?????
500,000,000 Blink Credit 7 Blinks
Festus vanGeck won a 1,000,000,000 Blink Credit with ticket #62
DON'T BELIVE BLINK.
They are scamers and laundering machine and RMT - all in one.
If you still believe them we will continue to search proofs |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
33
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:16:00 -
[205] - Quote
So, you think they're evil RMT-ing scammers, but you directly copied their site, ran it through google translate to make it Russian, and don't intend to petition them for RMT?
The standard for GD trolling has gone downhill lately :/ |
Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:20:00 -
[206] - Quote
Danjae wrote:As I promised we continue to watch somers blink. Don't you see something strange in this picture? ))))))))))))))))))))) RMT or Laundering or cheating promos????? 500,000,000 Blink Credit 7 BlinksFestus vanGeck won a 1,000,000,000 Blink Credit with ticket #62DON'T BELIVE BLINK. They are scamers and laundering machine and RMT - all in one. If you still believe them we will continue to search proofs
Ok this proves what again?
He has played 7 500mil isk promo's (favourite blinks does not mean he has won 7 500m isk promo's, just that he has clicked a ticket on 7 different 500m isk promo's) something quite common around celebration time, he has won 18 out of 40 blinks, mostly small ships by the looks of it and a 1bil promo (grats). I fail to see what is so suspicious? Without you even knowing how many tickets he bought in each of those blinks he played how on earth could you say it's a scam?
How can you possibly tell how much this guy has deposited to consider it RMT? He hasn't even deposited 500mil in his account or he would have the "Extra Big Spender" Achievment, so how does this equate to RMT?
All I can see out of this post is butthurt losers who are trying to invent stuff and call it a conspiracy.
Go back under your bridge troll... |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:31:00 -
[207] - Quote
Ha-ha-ha
-írowd of somers blinks alts - you are saw funny.
He even dont need to deposite anything cos we talking about RMT right?
And yes we will continue to watch u somers blink.
Fly safe. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
995
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:34:00 -
[208] - Quote
Danjae wrote:Ha-ha-ha -írowd of somers blinks alts - you are saw funny. He even dont need to deposite anything cos we talking about RMT right? And yes we will continue to watch u somers blink. Fly safe. You make trolls look intelligent. Congrats. |
Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:35:00 -
[209] - Quote
lol, zomg, all the posters on this forum are Somer alts!!!!!!
I will take that post as an admission that you actually don't have any proof whatsoever.
Keep watching blink and keep posting on the forums, it get's them more customers, you're "evil doing" is having the opposite effect as people are curious and proving you wrong
Fly safe too |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 14:43:00 -
[210] - Quote
Pariah Fenwick wrote:lol, zomg, all the posters on this forum are Somer alts!!!!!! I will take that post as an admission that you actually don't have any proof whatsoever. Keep watching blink and keep posting on the forums, it get's them more customers, you're "evil doing" is having the opposite effect as people are curious and proving you wrong Fly safe too
Will see in the future
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Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:11:00 -
[211] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:So, you think they're evil RMT-ing scammers, but you directly copied their site, ran it through google translate to make it Russian, and don't intend to petition them for RMT?
The standard for GD trolling has gone downhill lately :/
BTW what site are you talking about?
If there is another money laundering house like blink I must watch them too!
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AndromacheDarkstar
Phantom Brigade Inc.
3
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:14:00 -
[212] - Quote
I will confirm after losing about 3 bil to blink that they are genuinely good at getting you hooked and taking all your isk. Its not a scam they jsut do it really really well with an awsome website and lots of shiny ships in fast auctions. I do have friends however who make me sick with what they have won.
Give it a go, i was a bill up at one point but i jsut couldnt stop myself, now im space poor. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
33
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:14:00 -
[213] - Quote
Do you really think nobody looks at post histories to see why someone is so vitriolic and tinfoily? |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:36:00 -
[214] - Quote
I really think I am very close to deliver to eve community list of nominees thought which u are making RMT.
Be careful - I am near you ))) -íontrol procurement of black ISK is coming.
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Pyotr Kamarovi
EVE University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:37:00 -
[215] - Quote
Casino and lottery runners making a profit? Oh, the inhumanity! |
Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:45:00 -
[216] - Quote
Danjae wrote:I really think I am very close to deliver to eve community list of nominees thought which u are making RMT.
Be careful - I am near you ))) -íontrol procurement of black ISK is coming.
*Grabs the popcorn* |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:48:00 -
[217] - Quote
Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:Casino and lottery runners making a profit? Oh, the inhumanity!
We are talking here not about profit, lottery and casino are always in profit.
I think no one even think that he will have guaranteed profit in lottery.
We are talking here about huge amount of black ISK and not saw r random - random of somers blink and their bot making ultra blinks (they even have a hidden button - http://clip2net.com/s/26sVM)
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Pyotr Kamarovi
EVE University Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:10:00 -
[218] - Quote
Danjae wrote:Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:Casino and lottery runners making a profit? Oh, the inhumanity! We are talking here not about profit, lottery and casino are always in profit. I think no one even think that he will have guaranteed profit in lottery. We are talking here about huge amount of black ISK and not saw r random - random of somers blink and their bot making ultra blinks (they even have a hidden button - http://clip2net.com/s/26sVM)
So, what, they rig a couple of blinks to ensure they make a more tidy profit. Part of business without laws, mate.. |
Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:30:00 -
[219] - Quote
Danjae wrote:Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:Casino and lottery runners making a profit? Oh, the inhumanity! We are talking here not about profit, lottery and casino are always in profit. I think no one even think that he will have guaranteed profit in lottery. We are talking here about huge amount of black ISK and not saw r random - random of somers blink and their bot making ultra blinks (they even have a hidden button - http://clip2net.com/s/26sVM)
Ahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah
*Breathe*
"A hidden button"
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhah
Oh you just made my day
Get it over and done with and post your RMT black market evil doing names, and then do us all a favour and crawl back into the tear flooded pond you obviously came from lol |
Danjae
Neaga Gypsy Band
0
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Posted - 2012.07.09 16:32:00 -
[220] - Quote
Pariah Fenwick wrote:Danjae wrote:Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:Casino and lottery runners making a profit? Oh, the inhumanity! We are talking here not about profit, lottery and casino are always in profit. I think no one even think that he will have guaranteed profit in lottery. We are talking here about huge amount of black ISK and not saw r random - random of somers blink and their bot making ultra blinks (they even have a hidden button - http://clip2net.com/s/26sVM) Ahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah *Breathe* Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahhah Oh you just made my day
Enjoy
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JusFooling Around
JusFooling Around Corp
57
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Posted - 2012.07.09 19:07:00 -
[221] - Quote
I have never played blink, just talked to some friends who have done some winning and some losing; looked around the Blink site and read the Blink rules; lurked in the Blink chat channel and followed the saga of butthurt loser Trolls vs Blink here on General Discussion Forums.
I particularly want to thank the Trolls for helping me decide to join Blink. I mean, if this is all you can dredge up and dream up, Blink looks pretty good to me as a place where I know I will get a fair chance to maybe win some nice things.
On the slim off chance that this is a different set of trolls from the ones bumping the other attack site, I am going to copy this post and go post it on the other failed butthurt loser Trolls vs Blink forum to thank those trolls. I wouldn't want to seem like I favor one set of trolls over another.
added - I actually posted this on the other site first, but promised to paste it here, so I didn't want to change it. I will admit that I corrected a typo between that site and this one by changing a capital "J" to the correct lower case "j" before posting this version. |
Hudzen Ten
Diva-Droid International
1
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Posted - 2012.07.09 20:28:00 -
[222] - Quote
When starting the site, underhand tactics such as fake char betting bots, fixed winners etc might have been necessary to keep the interest and profit.
But now there is no need, so many people play it why bother when the house always gets a cut.
They always gonna get good feedback as hardly anyone will admit to having lost money to it, like any genre of junkie confessing to their sins. (i only smoke meth every now and then bro, nah im clean, and yeh im like 1bil up on blink)
I only hope they do something amusing with the giant pile of wealth they have rather than just building the pyramid higher. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.07.09 23:23:00 -
[223] - Quote
Pariah Fenwick wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpg You lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket.
2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra.
585,504,190 per win.
21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average.
3,864,183,476,388 invested.
3,842,664,001,750 paid out.
You are either one lucky ************, or a shill. They have a 35% take. Ok I am going to try and explain it one more time. If replacement 234 buys 12 tickets on a rorq (something he often did) he would pay 12 x 224,500,000 isk = 2,694,000,000 isk If he wins said rorq he currently gets 3,214,800,000 isk. Ok this is where your figures gain some inaccuracies. If replacement 234 exchanges that prize for blink credit (which he very often does) he then gets an extra 5% on top of the winning amount, so 3,375,540,000 isk. Hence he now has 3,375,540,000 isk blink credit. Rinse and repeat this cycle 5 times, as it is entirely possible he would win 5 rorqs 5 times in a row buying 12 out of 16 tickets. His winnings would say 16,074,000,000 isk but he actually only deposited an initial deposit of 2.694,000,000 isk OF HIS OWN ISK. This is how blink credit and recycling works, just because he played so many thousand blinks does not mean he paid raw isk for them, just recycled blink credit. It is very common for blink players stats to say they have won more than they deposited because blink does not include prizes exchanged for blink credit into the isk deposited figure. I cannot explain it any clearer, the only thing that has come about this whole post is that blink maybe should word the total figure won better. Everything else is guessed and inaccurate.
You cant explain it any clearer because the source of the ISK has nothing to do with the win:loss ratio. That has already been explained to you repeatedly and I am not going to bother doing it again.
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Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.10 07:07:00 -
[224] - Quote
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Pariah Fenwick wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpg You lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket.
2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra.
585,504,190 per win.
21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average.
3,864,183,476,388 invested.
3,842,664,001,750 paid out.
You are either one lucky ************, or a shill. They have a 35% take. Ok I am going to try and explain it one more time. If replacement 234 buys 12 tickets on a rorq (something he often did) he would pay 12 x 224,500,000 isk = 2,694,000,000 isk If he wins said rorq he currently gets 3,214,800,000 isk. Ok this is where your figures gain some inaccuracies. If replacement 234 exchanges that prize for blink credit (which he very often does) he then gets an extra 5% on top of the winning amount, so 3,375,540,000 isk. Hence he now has 3,375,540,000 isk blink credit. Rinse and repeat this cycle 5 times, as it is entirely possible he would win 5 rorqs 5 times in a row buying 12 out of 16 tickets. His winnings would say 16,074,000,000 isk but he actually only deposited an initial deposit of 2.694,000,000 isk OF HIS OWN ISK. This is how blink credit and recycling works, just because he played so many thousand blinks does not mean he paid raw isk for them, just recycled blink credit. It is very common for blink players stats to say they have won more than they deposited because blink does not include prizes exchanged for blink credit into the isk deposited figure. I cannot explain it any clearer, the only thing that has come about this whole post is that blink maybe should word the total figure won better. Everything else is guessed and inaccurate. You cant explain it any clearer because the source of the ISK has nothing to do with the win:loss ratio. That has already been explained to you repeatedly and I am not going to bother doing it again.
HAHAHAH, read what your boy wrote dude, he based the win ratio on isk spent on blinks, something that is impossible to do. The way the site works it out is as follows, now read carefully :
Total blinks played/blinks won=win percentage. Currently, I think Replacement 234's winning percentage is around 30%, not surprising when he buys 12 of 16 tickets most of the time (not 5/6 as suggested in your boys post). So, winning 30 out of 100 blinks? Doesn't seem rigged to me, seems like sound statistics.
The source of the isk has been explained to me? LOL you aren't a very good reader are you, I think you will find I trashed another one of your conspiracy theories and now you get even more butthurt about it and try reverse physcology.
Last post from me, I can't be arsed with your pathetic little attempts to create a smear campaign against a lottery site that delivers 100% of player's prizes 100% of the time. Keep on posting here by all means, but blink has gained another 1000 accounts since the "smear" campaign started so I really don't think it's working :)
Like I have said before, if you don't want to play, don't, but if other people want to throw isk at it, let them, wtf has it got to do with you? |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.07.10 07:12:00 -
[225] - Quote
If hes spending 12 tickets at a time with a 30% win ratio there's something terribly ******* wrong. |
Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.10 07:21:00 -
[226] - Quote
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:If hes spending 12 tickets at a time with a 30% win ratio there's something terribly ******* wrong.
Funny that, because just now according to your boy he wasn't losing anything, just goes to show everyone's win ratio is 1:2, you either win or lose :)
Every time he lost one of his 12 ticket blinks his win ratio would go down, multiply that over 18000 odd blinks, makes sense really.
Oh and this really is my last post :)
Have fun with your "smear" campaign o/ |
JusFooling Around
JusFooling Around Corp
59
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Posted - 2012.07.10 07:40:00 -
[227] - Quote
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:If hes spending 12 tickets at a time with a 30% win ratio there's something terribly ******* wrong.
If you read his posts, which are quite well written, he plays different strategies. He bagan the 12 tix strategy when he made an out side bet, so the losses hw was suffering in the game would be recovered vy the winnings of the outside bet.
He says he plays untill he sustains a few losses, then takes a break and comes back later to test the waters of his luck, I believe he said, by buying 6 or 8 tix on cheap ships to see how his luck was running and if he lost, he woudl quit again and continue this method until he started to win again, then he would switch to the larger valued ships.
His stated goal for 5 daya of mof his several months of playing was to advance his "value of blink credit won" which really has nothing to do with profit.
Maybe the dude has a boatload of RL money and bought 50 CTCs that week to wind the bet.
But you are wanting to tie the 30% win ratio from his months of play with the strategy he used for five days.
And a good question was asked of you - what difference does it make to you? What is your motivation to confuse macro stats with micro actions? Have you lost a lot of ISK? Are you the masked avenger of all people who fail at gambling?
You are not the only person who can be suspicious of anothers actions and motivations. Have you petitioned him? Will he petition you for harassment?
Before you do anyn more smearing. answer the questions I posed above or just stfu. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
236
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Posted - 2012.07.10 07:40:00 -
[228] - Quote
Pariah Fenwick wrote:Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:If hes spending 12 tickets at a time with a 30% win ratio there's something terribly ******* wrong. Funny that, because just now according to your boy he wasn't losing anything, just goes to show everyone's win ratio is 1:2, you either win or lose :) Every time he lost one of his 12 ticket blinks his win ratio would go down, multiply that over 18000 odd blinks, makes sense really. Oh and this really is my last post :) Have fun with your "smear" campaign o/ 12 tickets out of 16 should result in a long-term win ratio of 75%.
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Pariah Fenwick
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.07.10 08:02:00 -
[229] - Quote
Quote: 12 tickets out of 16 should result in a long-term win ratio of 75%.
Sorry 1 more post :)
You would be correct if the constant was 75% but it is not, it is entirely possible to lose 100% after playing 10 blinks with 75% odds of winning. I have seen many times someone buy 12 tickets and one of the other 4 win several times in a row, so you can never be guaranteed anything.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8470
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Posted - 2012.07.10 08:40:00 -
[230] - Quote
Vera Algaert wrote:12 tickets out of 16 should result in a long-term win ratio of 75%. The funny thing about randomness is that you can always use the argument GÇ£long-term hasn't happened yetGÇ¥.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.07.10 08:46:00 -
[231] - Quote
Quote:If you read his posts, which are quite well written, he plays different strategies. He bagan the 12 tix strategy when he made an out side bet, so the losses hw was suffering in the game would be recovered vy the winnings of the outside bet.
A failproof strategy of many people with 3 fingers on their right hand.
Quote:His stated goal for 5 daya of mof his several months of playing was to advance his "value of blink credit won" which really has nothing to do with profit.
Has everything to do with the odds being against you.
Quote:Maybe the dude has a boatload of RL money and bought 50 CTCs that week to wind the bet.
At that point there would be no question that he was a degenerate gambler, and if you trust a degenerate gambler there is no need to burden you any further with stressful activities such as thinking for yourself.
Quote:But you are wanting to tie the 30% win ratio from his months of play with the strategy he used for five days.
35% +/- 1% from the time the screen was taken till now. Any 5 day sample over the course of 25000 bets is insignificant.
Quote:And a good question was asked of you - what difference does it make to you?
I said he was extremely lucky or a shill. Luck so good that it would get you banned from vegas. Unless of course he is dumping trillions outside of his winnings into the system, which of course makes him a _____. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.07.10 08:47:00 -
[232] - Quote
Quote:Are you the masked avenger of all people who fail at gambling?
The only people who don't fail at gambling are the house and professional poker players. Statistically, there is no way you can beat the house over a long enough timeline, period. Rather funny to me, because professional poker players refer to the cream of the crop as "gamblers", sarcastically.
Quote:Have you petitioned him?
Why would I?
Quote:Will he petition you for harassment?
Asking me what someone else will do, how the **** should I know?
Quote:Before you do anyn more smearing...
I said he was either really lucky or a shill. One of maybe 5 in history to beat the house w/o cheating. If you think you can beat the house, try it for yourself. You will become unimaginably wealthy if you figure out how, and be truly truly elite.
But everybody reading this thread with an E.Q. of over 15 years old already knows it wont happen. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
237
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Posted - 2012.07.10 08:55:00 -
[233] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:12 tickets out of 16 should result in a long-term win ratio of 75%. The funny thing about randomness is that you can always use the argument GÇ£long-term hasn't happened yetGÇ¥. simple binomial test tells you how (un)likely that is |
Andre Cadelanne
Carebears and Noobs Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.07.10 10:02:00 -
[234] - Quote
I see that mistake made here by some people in a lot of browser games:
if you talk about how probable a single (multi-layered) random experiment is and then say the observed outcome "is almost impossible", you always dont consider, that on things like blink, with that huge amount of players, who each perform these random experiments a multitude of times, the number of how often this is performed is huge - this makes it very very likely that outcomes that are very unlikely in a single try, are nearly bound to happen to one or a couple of people. Example - the chance of having, lets say, a certain percentage of winning is 0.01%, if you try this 40000*100=4000000 times (players * amount_each_player_does_it), the probability of this happening to AT LEAST one (one or more people) is 1 - 2*10^(-174) (if each player just does it once its still >98%) |
Milail
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2012.07.12 12:09:00 -
[235] - Quote
Disclaimer seems to be in order. I am not now, nor have I ever been associated with Blink or any of their alts / corps / alliances.
I've seen the good and bad of my blinking habit *smacks the vein in the forearm* but rigged? I really don't think so at all. We're all playing odds, and statistics are not good tools for predicting the outcome of these blinks. Somer uses random.org as far as I know for all the blinks, patterns do come up.
For Example:
Prize Your Tickets Winning TicketStatus Machariel 138 42 Complete Bhaalgorn 149 52 Complete 250,000,000 Blink Credit150 148 Complete Strategic Cruiser 150 138 Complete
HOWEVER, patterns are inevitable. They will happen no matter what, if this was something that was planned the algorithm would have been found long ago, and it would have put Somer out of commission.
So many people have lost their ISK because of not playing it smart (myself included) but getting angry, and claiming Somer is a fraud because you handed them your isk, and the odds being in your favor or not, you didn't make money on it is just childish, if you want a sure thing don't blink, and just play the market.
To avoid getting mad, only drop isk in Blink you can afford to completely lose, that way anything you do win is just icing on the cake, don't use Blink to try to get rich, think of it more as a minigame in EVE. |
Alex Luther
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:32:00 -
[236] - Quote
Well it looks like a shill player to me... Apparently somer didnt bother to even update her db and match the date the toon started playing to the birth date of the toon in eve.
Princess Darknight profile on Blink
Princess Darknights character and employment history via the eve api
So clearly you can see by the characters employment history "row recordID="19706243" corporationID="1000077" startDate="2012-05-10 20:22:00"" that it was born long after the first award was given on blink's website.
Now one possibility is that the character was created by a valid eve player back in 2011 but it was later biomassed then recreated. Oh and the toon had some extremely good luck winning. |
highonpop
Void.Tech Fatal Ascension
185
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:39:00 -
[237] - Quote
I've dropped hundreds of millions of ISK into somer, more than I wish to try and count.
I've only ever won a raptor... twice....
Its no scam. Just gambling like usual. I had a corp mate win a Mach off a promo blink once. He didnt even know he had won, another corp mate was watching it and you here on comms:
corpy 1"Ah, Damn.. I didn't win the machariel.." corpy 1"Wait, (corp mate's name), YOU WON!" corpy 2" I won? OH ****! IM GOING TO JITA!" All I heard was Blah Blah Blah I'm a dirty *****... |
Alex Luther
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.07 17:53:00 -
[238] - Quote
Pariah Fenwick wrote:Troll troll troll troll troll troll troll You really are pretty stupid aren't you? Taken home means "Won prizes to the value of". Whether or not the player has cashed out or exchanged for blink credit is their decision. Quote:http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpg You lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket. 2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra. 585,504,190 per win. 21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average. 3,864,183,476,388 invested. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GHoXNkG0Ao8/T-iMiVzy7sI/AAAAAAAAACE/abFdwrUSDjc/s640/blink-r234-stats-01.jpgYou lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket. 2.79 tickets purchased per blink, or 5.57 tickets per ultra. 585,504,190 per win. 21,00,49,628 invested in each blink average. 3,864,183,476,388 invested. 3,842,664,001,750 paid out. You are either one lucky ************, or a shill. They have a 35% take. Another thicket. Just because he has won items to the value of 3,842,664,001,750 paid out does not mean he actually cashed out and exchanged them for isk and then ended up with that isk in his wallet. The way he managed to accrue this amount was by exchanging prizes for blink credit or cycling the isk, in other words for the obviously less intelligent ones, exchanging a prize for isk then transferring that isk straight back to blink. Try actually learning how blink works before thinking you know how it does. *sigh* You really need a better argument
This
Quote: You lost 2.87:1 chances of winning are 1:8 or 1:16 buying one ticket.
is the only argument you should need.
The guy praises blink on every bad thread about the business, yet he claims to not be affiliated with them on a business level aside from being a player. He also has a crazy win ratio. I challenge you to go on the blink website today and look at 5 active players profile that has a win ratio higher than 3:1 with more than 500 blinks played.
As of right now, here are some profiles i've collected that are currently playing.
player 1 player2 player3 player4 player5
Your turn.
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Alex Luther
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.07 18:08:00 -
[239] - Quote
highonpop wrote:I've dropped hundreds of millions of ISK into somer, more than I wish to try and count.
I've only ever won a raptor... twice....
Its no scam. Just gambling like usual. I had a corp mate win a Mach off a promo blink once. He didnt even know he had won, another corp mate was watching it and you here on comms:
corpy 1"Ah, Damn.. I didn't win the machariel.." corpy 1"Wait, (corp mate's name), YOU WON!" corpy 2" I won? OH ****! IM GOING TO JITA!"
Just because you or you know someone who won doesnt mean its not rigged. He can let the system function properly just as he says it works, but then sometimes he can let his friends make some quick isk by fixing certain accounts with the ability to win no matter what.
Honestly as a developer myself, adding an attribute to certain players and making the winning number only fall on a number that this certain player has purchased would be extremely simple and because nobody can prove that he is doing this its completely fine.
Think about it, if you had a legitimate game like blink and you had the ability to win on items you wanted to win on any time you wanted to, wouldnt you?
Example:
FriendofSomer: Man, I just lost my rorqual today... :( Somer: thats ok, just signin to your account on blink, i've activated your account to win the next rorqual that you bid on. FriendofSomer: Awesome! I'll never have to pay for another ship again, i can just have the other 15 players pay for it and give you a profit when i win.
Hopefully you see the scam in that. If you could scam people by rigging certain micro lotto's without being caught and without having to provide more that your word that you arnt cheating the system then wouldn't you? If the answer for if you would do it is yes, then that should be all of the proof you need to know that its happening.
On a side note, think about it this way. Somer has successfully severed control of your isk from CCP and replaced control with its own website with its own limitless rules. The day that you give control of your isk to a 3rd party is the day that you will be scammed.
'nough said |
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining
19
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Posted - 2012.08.07 19:26:00 -
[240] - Quote
Alex Luther wrote:highonpop wrote:I've dropped hundreds of millions of ISK into somer, more than I wish to try and count.
I've only ever won a raptor... twice....
Its no scam. Just gambling like usual. I had a corp mate win a Mach off a promo blink once. He didnt even know he had won, another corp mate was watching it and you here on comms:
corpy 1"Ah, Damn.. I didn't win the machariel.." corpy 1"Wait, (corp mate's name), YOU WON!" corpy 2" I won? OH ****! IM GOING TO JITA!" Just because you or you know someone who won doesnt mean its not rigged. He can let the system function properly just as he says it works, but then sometimes he can let his friends make some quick isk by fixing certain accounts with the ability to win no matter what. Honestly as a developer myself, adding an attribute to certain players and making the winning number only fall on a number that this certain player has purchased would be extremely simple and because nobody can prove that he is doing this its completely fine. Think about it, if you had a legitimate game like blink and you had the ability to win on items you wanted to win on any time you wanted to, wouldnt you? Example: FriendofSomer: Man, I just lost my rorqual today... :( Somer: thats ok, just signin to your account on blink, i've activated your account to win the next rorqual that you bid on. FriendofSomer: Awesome! I'll never have to pay for another ship again, i can just have the other 15 players pay for it and give you a profit when i win. Hopefully you see the scam in that. If you could scam people by rigging certain micro lotto's without being caught and without having to provide more that your word that you arnt cheating the system then wouldn't you? If the answer for if you would do it is yes, then that should be all of the proof you need to know that its happening. On a side note, think about it this way. Somer has successfully severed control of your isk from CCP and replaced control with its own website with its own limitless rules. The day that you give control of your isk to a 3rd party is the day that you will be scammed. 'nough said
So this is can not be proven one way or the other unless you were that person or you are Somer - otherwise it's all just tinfoil hat gabble. It's like saying "CCP hates me because that Drake just destroyed my Rokh, they must be a friend of a dev and they gave them the Super Drake!" when the reality it that maybe your fittings suck. maybe they are a better player or maybe it was just luck.
I've lost money on Blink and I've won money on blink. I've never seen anything that leads me to believe that it's rigged.
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Alex Luther
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:23:00 -
[241] - Quote
Toroup wrote:Alex Luther wrote:highonpop wrote:I've dropped hundreds of millions of ISK into somer, more than I wish to try and count.
I've only ever won a raptor... twice....
Its no scam. Just gambling like usual. I had a corp mate win a Mach off a promo blink once. He didnt even know he had won, another corp mate was watching it and you here on comms:
corpy 1"Ah, Damn.. I didn't win the machariel.." corpy 1"Wait, (corp mate's name), YOU WON!" corpy 2" I won? OH ****! IM GOING TO JITA!" Just because you or you know someone who won doesnt mean its not rigged. He can let the system function properly just as he says it works, but then sometimes he can let his friends make some quick isk by fixing certain accounts with the ability to win no matter what. Honestly as a developer myself, adding an attribute to certain players and making the winning number only fall on a number that this certain player has purchased would be extremely simple and because nobody can prove that he is doing this its completely fine. Think about it, if you had a legitimate game like blink and you had the ability to win on items you wanted to win on any time you wanted to, wouldnt you? Example: FriendofSomer: Man, I just lost my rorqual today... :( Somer: thats ok, just signin to your account on blink, i've activated your account to win the next rorqual that you bid on. FriendofSomer: Awesome! I'll never have to pay for another ship again, i can just have the other 15 players pay for it and give you a profit when i win. Hopefully you see the scam in that. If you could scam people by rigging certain micro lotto's without being caught and without having to provide more that your word that you arnt cheating the system then wouldn't you? If the answer for if you would do it is yes, then that should be all of the proof you need to know that its happening. On a side note, think about it this way. Somer has successfully severed control of your isk from CCP and replaced control with its own website with its own limitless rules. The day that you give control of your isk to a 3rd party is the day that you will be scammed. 'nough said So this is can not be proven one way or the other unless you were that person or you are Somer - otherwise it's all just tinfoil hat gabble. It's like saying "CCP hates me because that Drake just destroyed my Rokh, they must be a friend of a dev and they gave them the Super Drake!" when the reality it that maybe your fittings suck. maybe they are a better player or maybe it was just luck. I've lost money on Blink and I've won money on blink. I've never seen anything that leads me to believe that it's rigged.
I'll make the Martin Rees quote of "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence "Just because no one (at least willing to come forth) has evidence of this doesn't mean that the evidence does not exist". I predict that someone will release convincing evidence on this soon.
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Anhenka
Burning Napalm Northern Coalition.
20
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:31:00 -
[242] - Quote
All this tinfoilhattery is really rather amusing.
Rig it to make sure a friend win their next lottery? Why bother? Just give them a Rorq. Somner and several friends run the site, if they asked if they could give a friend of theirs a rorq, Somner would answer "Sure"
You guys don't seem to understand, Somner takes a cut from every transaction. Say everyone chips in tickets, one person wins and turns it back in for b/o price+5%? Well that still leaves Somner with 5-20% more isk than the blink credit handed out.
And that's 5-20% cut off the top on TRILLIONS of isk. as in 1,000,000,000,000's.
There is absolutely no need to rig anything for a friend when the site makes more than the lost Rorqual in profit in the time it takes Somner to take a **** break.
It would be like skimming off the take from a gumball machine, you get a quarter here or there you might not have had but if you get caught it's still a fraud charge that haunts you forever. Now in this situation, the guy hypothetically skimming from a gumball machine is a Billionaire. How likely is he to risk the squeaky clean rep he has in the trade world, for a quarter? |
Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
280
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Posted - 2012.08.07 21:38:00 -
[243] - Quote
The only winner is, as always, the lottery. The only way to win is not to play.
Also, it would be trivial for Somer Blink to cheat, not that they need to, seeing how many people are playing. An analysis: fixing active tanking in a logical manner: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1693846 |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
551
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:05:00 -
[244] - Quote
Alex Luther wrote:Well it looks like a shill player to me... Apparently somer didnt bother to even update her db and match the date the toon started playing to the birth date of the toon in eve. Princess Darknight profile on BlinkPrincess Darknights character and employment history via the eve apiSo clearly you can see by the characters employment history "row recordID="19706243" corporationID="1000077" startDate="2012-05-10 20:22:00"" that it was born long after the first award was given on blink's website. Now one possibility is that the character was created by a valid eve player back in 2011 but it was later biomassed then recreated. Oh and the toon had some extremely good luck winning.
Already explained in the thread.
Each /player/ is only allowed one blink account (hard to police, of course).
But you can shift that account between your characters. So an older account can be associated with a newer character.
(no, I don't work for blink. I've just won more than I've spent with them. Just lucky.) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Alex Luther
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:18:00 -
[245] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Alex Luther wrote:Well it looks like a shill player to me... Apparently somer didnt bother to even update her db and match the date the toon started playing to the birth date of the toon in eve. Princess Darknight profile on BlinkPrincess Darknights character and employment history via the eve apiSo clearly you can see by the characters employment history "row recordID="19706243" corporationID="1000077" startDate="2012-05-10 20:22:00"" that it was born long after the first award was given on blink's website. Now one possibility is that the character was created by a valid eve player back in 2011 but it was later biomassed then recreated. Oh and the toon had some extremely good luck winning. Already explained in the thread. Each /player/ is only allowed one blink account (hard to police, of course). But you can shift that account between your characters. So an older account can be associated with a newer character. (no, I don't work for blink. I've just won more than I've spent with them. Just lucky.)
You do know that when you move a character to another account you keep your employment history, dont you? (in EVE)
Or are you saying that i can create an account in blink then use another character to log onto that same account and all of a suddently it changes my account name to the name of the character currently accessing that account?
Eve account 1 - create blink account with name of "eve account 1"
Eve account 2 - accesses blink account "eve account 1" then blink will change the name on my account from "eve account 1" to "eve account 2".
If this is what you believe then i would say that you're wrong, i haven't seen any option to do that at all. |
Pankas Carter
Viziam Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:20:00 -
[246] - Quote
What stops one from just biomassing the alt after sending the winnings elsewhere? Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat. |
Alex Luther
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:22:00 -
[247] - Quote
Pankas Carter wrote:What stops one from just biomassing the alt after sending the winnings elsewhere?
Absolutely nothing... but what point are you trying to make? |
Alex Luther
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:35:00 -
[248] - Quote
Anhenka wrote:All this tinfoilhattery is really rather amusing.
Rig it to make sure a friend win their next lottery? Why bother? Just give them a Rorq. Somner and several friends run the site, if they asked if they could give a friend of theirs a rorq, Somner would answer "Sure" They dont have to justify what they do with the isk, it is a private business. 2.5 bil is chump change when you realize Somner is sitting on more isk than any group in the game other than perhaps goonswarm.
You guys don't seem to understand, Somner takes a cut from every transaction. Say everyone chips in tickets, one person wins and turns it back in for b/o price+5%? Well that still leaves Somner with 5-20% more isk than the blink credit handed out.
And that's 5-20% cut off the top on TRILLIONS of isk. as in 1,000,000,000,000's. And not one Trillion, or 2, but 290 Trillion Isk so far. They could shoot rorquals out of a damn snowball launcher for fun and still not make any real dent in the wallet.
There is absolutely no need to rig anything for a friend when the site makes more than the lost Rorqual in profit in the time it takes Somner to take a **** break.
It would be like skimming off the take from a gumball machine, you get a quarter here or there you might not have had but if you get caught it's still a fraud charge that haunts you forever. Now in this situation, the guy hypothetically skimming from a gumball machine is a Billionaire. How likely is he to risk the squeaky clean rep he has in the trade world, for a quarter?
Ok. Great point, but when was the last time your internet spaceship friend bought you a Rorqual with money from his pocket?
Maybe the way I explained my theory was too vague and left too much to imagination, some people just cant connect the dots or map out how one could take advantage of certain situations.
Here is a more detailed scenario.
Sure Somer could bankroll an entire corp or null sec alliance even, but why should he spend his own money to do it? Why when he could have 17 other random lottery players pay for the bulk of it and generate a 30% profit. Remember, making just enough is good but making more is better.
Another scenario, simply make an alt, create an account on your own website (blink) add fake money(blink credit) to its account (extremely simple) then just play random lotteries and win here and there, that way you generate more profit and don't even have to pay out a winner.
As for your assumption that blink will just pay for everyone to have things just because he has the isk to do it, well I dont know too many extremely wall off players that just buy ships for their friends even. Hell even myself, I've bought ships for friends before, just not anything over 300mil, but if i was in control of this website... well lets just be happy i dont run it. |
Andrev Nox
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
135
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:38:00 -
[249] - Quote
Alex Luther wrote:If this is what you believe then i would say that you're wrong, i haven't seen any option to do that at all.
Holy threadnecro, batman :D
What he was trying to explain, and as was explained earlier in thread:
Each person is allowed one Blink account. When they want to change which eve character that account is tied to, they can contact us and we transfer from the old character to the new one they pick. Nothing to do with their eve account or employment histories - it's the Blink account that's being transferred from one char to the other. :) Somer Blink - The original microlottery site. |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
113
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:41:00 -
[250] - Quote
Played, won a few things, had a couple of exciting moments, seen a few people win an inordinate amount of blinks. It is what it is. Move along. A good predator knows how to live in balance with his prey, lest he follow them into oblivion. |
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Rented
Hunter Heavy Industries
20
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:44:00 -
[251] - Quote
Breaking News: This just in... lead scientists have recently determined that gambling is indeed gambling. |
Alex Luther
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.07 22:58:00 -
[252] - Quote
Andrev Nox wrote:Alex Luther wrote:If this is what you believe then i would say that you're wrong, i haven't seen any option to do that at all. Holy threadnecro, batman :D What he was trying to explain, and as was explained earlier in thread: Each person is allowed one Blink account. When they want to change which eve character that account is tied to, they can contact us and we transfer from the old character to the new one they pick. Nothing to do with their eve account or employment histories - it's the Blink account that's being transferred from one char to the other. :)
Thanks for clearing that up for me :) Now go back to rolling in the dough |
Dronekiller4
Stolen Identities
0
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:11:00 -
[253] - Quote
Its not a scam in anyway Just today i won a plex, a vigilant, 2 chimera carriers, 1 nidhoggur carrier, and a rorqual. You win some days, you loose some days. Today happened to be a win day. And please, if that blog was make by you, shoot yourself.
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LilRemmy
Synaptic Void AAA Citizens
6
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Posted - 2012.08.14 03:15:00 -
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Call Me Allen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.18 23:14:00 -
[255] - Quote
At least some people think they're a scam. Somer was recently hit with a heist and hack. The hackers say they've turned up evidence of shill accounts and cheating.
It's all right here: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/
this thread has been around a while, so i guess i'm not the first person to wonder about their legitimacy. i'm so glad this is being discussed in General Discussion. where people can see it. for one and a half months. |
Ashera Yune
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.08.19 04:35:00 -
[256] - Quote
Fools believed that Somer Blink could do no wrong, but these people are not out here for your sake.
They are here to make a profit, the chances that they actually could have been caught screwing with the system was fairly low.
With no transparencies in the system, they could fabricate any sort of story to fool and cover their track.
Fortunately, their overconfidence left a vulnerable backdoor to for a hacker to reveal the truth about the Greed behind Somer Blink to the World. "Yesterday we obeyed kings and bent our necks before emperors. But today we kneel only to truth."
-áKahlil Gibran |
Kel Shek
Blue Sun Labs
0
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Posted - 2012.08.19 10:43:00 -
[257] - Quote
actually they explained that. if you sell your "main" you can switch your account to a new character. thus, old account, new character.
Call Me Allen wrote:At least some people think they're a scam. Somer was recently hit with a heist and hack. The hackers say they've turned up evidence of shill accounts and cheating. It's all right here: http://www.evenews24.com/2012/08/15/somer-blink-hit/this thread has been around a while, so i guess i'm not the first person to wonder about their legitimacy. i'm so glad this is being discussed in General Discussion. where people can see it. for one and a half months. &
Ashera Yune wrote: Fortunately, their overconfidence left a vulnerable backdoor to for a hacker to reveal the truth about the Greed behind Somer Blink to the World.
doesn't it seem suspicious that they supposedly found evidence...
... yet there is no evidence?
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Roxwar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
100
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Posted - 2012.08.19 13:21:00 -
[258] - Quote
Been watching this for a while unfold.
I'd like to add, that somer 'probably' is the single largest holder os isk in this game due to takign a cut on EVERY transaction ever. The fact is they could **** out rorqs/carriers/supers and titans and not even dent the wallet.
This also makes me thing somer would be the perfect front for the largest RMT opperation in EVE history.
Think about it. |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
138
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Posted - 2012.08.19 15:01:00 -
[259] - Quote
Roxwar wrote:Been watching this for a while unfold.
I'd like to add, that somer 'probably' is the single largest holder os isk in this game due to takign a cut on EVERY transaction ever. The fact is they could **** out rorqs/carriers/supers and titans and not even dent the wallet.
This also makes me thing somer would be the perfect front for the largest RMT opperation in EVE history.
Think about it.
It probably also pays for a war effort or two. Amat victoria curam. |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
114
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Posted - 2012.08.19 15:22:00 -
[260] - Quote
Its a scam in the way every casino and lottery is a scam.
If you can't afford to lose the ISK don't put it up.
If you put up a **** ton of ISK on something (some guy mentioned buying all but one ticket on a few items) and RNG screws you. Oh well.
Until there is definitive proof of Somer scamming us, I'll keep dropping a few mil a week and playing the small blinks and the promos.
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Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
114
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Posted - 2012.08.19 15:23:00 -
[261] - Quote
Ashera Yune wrote:Fools believed that Somer Blink could do no wrong, but these people are not out here for your sake.
They are here to make a profit, the chances that they actually could have been caught screwing with the system was fairly low.
With no transparencies in the system, they could fabricate any sort of story to fool and cover their track.
Fortunately, their overconfidence left a vulnerable backdoor to for a hacker to reveal the truth about the Greed behind Somer Blink to the World.
So, how much ISK did you lose? |
Cadfael Maelgwyn
Immortals of New Eden Rebel Alliance of New Eden
173
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Posted - 2012.08.19 15:29:00 -
[262] - Quote
Something tells me that blogspot was set up by a competitor lottery.
Nobody would put that much effort into 'educating people' without some kind of return. |
cragz
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.19 15:45:00 -
[263] - Quote
I thought it was just another typical gambling site but the evdience posted on that Blink Exposed site is damning and unquestionable.
I mean the charater that supposed to have played and won a trillion isk since august 2011 but was only created in may this year. Shills, again another scam that all gambling sites use so can't really single blink for that .
Wow just glad I stopped after a few sessions on there.
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Dranchela
Flashpoint Industries The Methodical Alliance
16
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Posted - 2012.08.19 16:36:00 -
[264] - Quote
cragz wrote:I thought it was just another typical gambling site but the evdience posted on that Blink Exposed site is damning and unquestionable.
I mean the charater that supposed to have played and won a trillion isk since august 2011 but was only created in may this year. Shills, again another scam that all gambling sites use so can't really single blink for that .
Wow just glad I stopped after a few sessions on there.
This was already explained.
Face it, may of y'all get in there and dump billions expecting to win trillions and trillions of ISK and ships. People, it's gambling. If you don't have a reasonable grasp on reality don't gamble.
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Potittious
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.19 20:03:00 -
[265] - Quote
i can't believe people play somer at all. its entire model is basically selling things at 100% markup to small groups of people too stupid do basic math. they have a vested interest in having their alts pickup every extra ticket they can to increase the odds that all the money stays with somer. why wouldn't they do it? its eve! why shouldn't they do it? the only way it could affect them adversely is if they got caught. even then they could just say, no, we'd never do that. it would ruin our business if we got caught. oh wait.... how meta. |
Piddle Diddy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 01:11:00 -
[266] - Quote
they also send people into the bigger, more public corps like eve uni to advertise in channel. they camoflauge it by talking about somer rather than just outright advertising. i wouldn't have thought twice about it until i saw it in three different corps i was infiltrating. somehow these positive talkers have always managed to 'beat.' statistics make liars of them, so i dont' know who they think they're fooling. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
574
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Posted - 2012.08.20 01:54:00 -
[267] - Quote
Piddle Diddy wrote:they also send people into the bigger, more public corps like eve uni to advertise in channel. they camoflauge it by talking about somer rather than just outright advertising. i wouldn't have thought twice about it until i saw it in three different corps i was infiltrating. somehow these positive talkers have always managed to 'beat.' statistics make liars of them, so i dont' know who they think they're fooling.
Ahem. Statistics will state that /some/ people will win. They're just the outliers.
After all, people win Lotteries, and win millions at that. There are just a lot more losers. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
77
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Posted - 2012.08.20 02:18:00 -
[268] - Quote
You folks who continue to put isk into player run banks, insurance, lotteries and other such silliness run by people you don't know in a game that ENCOURAGES scamming just prove that PT Barnum was right...
"There IS a sucker born every minute!"
Got isk to burn? Do what I do, once in awhile, find a new player set him up and maybe even spend a little time teaching him a few things.
I just did that this past week. Picked him out of local, gave him a few rigged ships and an Ishkur (which he is now training to fly). Took him with me on a lvl 4 mission yesterday, let him warp in after I got aggro and get the frigs for me. Then I let him loot and salvage the whole mission.
I just like to find a little more positive things to do with my spare isk. That noob is alot more worthy of my attention than some scammer.
If it is too good to be true...well u know the rest. |
Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
71
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Posted - 2012.08.20 02:21:00 -
[269] - Quote
Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks! I have never had an issue with somer ever, its a fun way to kill time and spend some isk, just remember it is a lottery system. As for their recent issues they have been very upfront with what happened. |
Kel Shek
Blue Sun Labs
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 03:48:00 -
[270] - Quote
cragz wrote:I thought it was just another typical gambling site but the evdience posted on that Blink Exposed site is damning and unquestionable.
I mean the charater that supposed to have played and won a trillion isk since august 2011 but was only created in may this year. Shills, again another scam that all gambling sites use so can't really single blink for that .
Wow just glad I stopped after a few sessions on there.
"damning and unquestionable"? you've got to be kidding me. its anything but.
the blink exposed site's arguments are pathetic, shallow and ill informed. they are all quite questionable, and quite explainable.
also, you aren't required to use your "main" character to gamble with. you can use an alt, you just aren't allowed to blink with more than one character per player.
Potittious wrote:i can't believe people play somer at all. its entire model is basically selling things at 100% markup to small groups of people too stupid do basic math. they have a vested interest in having their alts pickup every extra ticket they can to increase the odds that all the money stays with somer. why wouldn't they do it? its eve! why shouldn't they do it? the only way it could affect them adversely is if they got caught. even then they could just say, no, we'd never do that. it would ruin our business if we got caught. oh wait.... how meta.
and you accuse others of being too stupid to do basic math? the fact is that its gambling.
you can deposit approximately the value of a ship. and have something around a 50% chance of winning that ship. and an increasingly small percentage of winning more than one of that ship. if you are smart, you balance the odds of winning nothing, against the not-terrible chance of breaking even, and the opportunity to win more than one of that ship, or to say, win the ship, and your money back. and an even smaller chance to win the ship, and MORE Than your money back.
now, why wouldn't they do it? because if they did it with even a relatively moderately sized selection of alts, it would become rather obvious relatively quickly. and to make it take any time at all, let alone to make it beyond reasonable conclusions, would take an enormous amount of time and effort.
and the fact is, why SHOULD they? its a lot of effort to make just to make MORE money when you already have plenty of unlimitedly inflowing money. it makes no sense at all to spend all that effort AND risk your cash cow, just to get more money sooner. especially when you already have enough to do anything you could want.
Piddle Diddy wrote:somehow these positive talkers have always managed to 'beat.' statistics make liars of them, so i dont' know who they think they're fooling. thats silly. the fact is that people who win, are more likely to talk about it. a large portion of losers will just sulk away and hide their shame the best they can. this is why there might be a statistical dissonance. people who win, will be inclined to brag and defend the medium of their fortune.
I've won a bunch, and a non-corp member, but friend of the corp, won a few billion worth in a mini-bonk a while back. these are simply coincidences. the fact is that blink is huge, and people DO win and "beat the odds". people DO have streaks and beat the odds by an enormous margin sometimes. (thats part of randomness)
the bottom line is that theres no evidence of any cheating, shills or illegitimacy. none.
perhaps if I have a nice fat winning streak this coming celebration, I'll share screen shots or maybe even see if theres a way to do an API key that would be restricted enough for me to be comfortable with sharing, while give useful information. though then there would just be more bizzare explanations of how it wasn't legit either.
i'm curious what evidence of legitimacy people would need. |
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Call Me Allen
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 06:20:00 -
[271] - Quote
Let's face it, unless they open up the backend of their site, we'll never know if they're legit or not. Here's the bottom line: cheating is totally doable for them; there's no reason not to do it; its eve, so its kind of the point to do it and get the new high score on the scam 'boards' and a gaming site story or two; they haven't voluntarily brought in a reliable third party to oversee their operations and guarantee legitimacy; they are totally, utterly, and completely unregulated.
Given everything we know about eve and human nature, you'd be a fool to think it wasn't a scam. It isn't the eve community who has to prove they aren't up to no good, Somer has to prove it. Otherwise, you're just taking their word for it. Ask the people who had Mittens third party their titans and supercaps about trust in eve. Hell, people won't trade cap ships without someone like Chribba, but somer is moving trillions of ISK through their apparatus and they're immune to greed and the immutable laws of eve? who the **** are you kidding? |
Marquess Molita
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:08:00 -
[272] - Quote
has Somer Blink ever actually had a comment on this? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
574
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:29:00 -
[273] - Quote
Marquess Molita wrote:has Somer Blink ever actually had a comment on this?
Look for posts by Andrev Nox FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
67
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Posted - 2012.08.20 15:58:00 -
[274] - Quote
Several times, in this thread, before people created alts just to necro it out of oblivion. |
Piddle Diddy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:10:00 -
[275] - Quote
Abditus Cularius wrote:Several times, in this thread, before people created alts just to necro it out of oblivion. there was exactly a 7 day gap in the thread. that's not necroing.
yet another somer apologist |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
67
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:48:00 -
[276] - Quote
Just sick of the spammy "OMG CONSPIRACY" alt threads.
7 days was the latest "Nobody cares about my thread, I better bump it again" The prior necro was: #235 Posted: 2012.07.12 12:09 #236 Posted: 2012.08.07 17:32 |
Othran
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
228
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:50:00 -
[277] - Quote
I'd put money on this being the Evealopolous (or whatever) spammers starting the thread.
If you can't compete then spam local with trial alts and then smear a good amount of **** around. That seems to be their modus operandi.
Won't work |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9203
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Posted - 2012.08.20 16:56:00 -
[278] - Quote
Probability is hard. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Piddle Diddy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:08:00 -
[279] - Quote
Othran wrote:I'd put money on this being the Evealopolous (or whatever) spammers starting the thread. If you can't compete then spam local with trial alts and then smear a good amount of **** around. That seems to be their modus operandi. Won't work yes, it could only be "competitors" that no one has ever heard of and who aren't mentioned anywhere in the thread... until you mentioned them.
do you normally trust people in eve on their word alone? srsly. do you? |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
114
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:13:00 -
[280] - Quote
I trust people in EvE.
Just not NPC corp forum alts. |
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Verone
Veto Corp
291
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:17:00 -
[281] - Quote
It's a huge pile of fun, is what it is
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
114
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Posted - 2012.08.20 17:28:00 -
[282] - Quote
300t celebration started.
An I have no money or tokens atm.
EVERYONE PANIC! |
Deacon of Destruction
Temple of Destruction
2
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Posted - 2012.08.20 20:43:00 -
[283] - Quote
Hiyora Akachi wrote:I trust people in EvE.
Just not NPC corp forum alts. I have a lottery I just started. You give me 100million isk to win a chance at 1 billion isk. Totally legit. |
Hiyora Akachi
Bling Ring Tax Evaders
114
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Posted - 2012.08.20 22:17:00 -
[284] - Quote
I also don't trust creepy guys in shadowy hoods.
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Piddle Diddy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.20 23:17:00 -
[285] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Piddle Diddy wrote:they also send people into the bigger, more public corps like eve uni to advertise in channel. they camoflauge it by talking about somer rather than just outright advertising. i wouldn't have thought twice about it until i saw it in three different corps i was infiltrating. somehow these positive talkers have always managed to 'beat.' statistics make liars of them, so i dont' know who they think they're fooling. Ahem. Statistics will state that /some/ people will win. They're just the outliers. After all, people win Lotteries, and win millions at that. There are just a lot more losers. That is exactly why they stuck out to me. How is it so many people in several different corps were so successful, so often? The way they spoke about it always followd a similar pattern about beating the system and getting ahead. Anyway, just something I noticed. I could give a ****. |
Totally Trustworthy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.21 14:12:00 -
[286] - Quote
Has Somer ever had an audit done by someone like VV (MD auditor guy)? |
Jenn Ymor
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.08.21 14:22:00 -
[287] - Quote
Thanks for bringing this thread back up, i would have missed the bonus blinks and other specials |
Potittious
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.21 15:33:00 -
[288] - Quote
Jenn Ymor wrote:Thanks for bringing this thread back up, i would have missed the bonus blinks and other specials You wouldn't want to miss paying your Idiot Tax (what my dad calls all lotteries)
Totally Trustworthy wrote:Has Somer ever had an audit done by someone like VV (MD auditor guy)? Not to my knowledge |
Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:00:00 -
[289] - Quote
Piddle Diddy wrote:Othran wrote:I'd put money on this being the Evealopolous (or whatever) spammers starting the thread. If you can't compete then spam local with trial alts and then smear a good amount of **** around. That seems to be their modus operandi. Won't work yes, it could only be "competitors" that no one has ever heard of and who aren't mentioned anywhere in the thread... until you mentioned them.
Nice try alty boy.
Everyone who's spent any time in trade/mission/newbie hubs has heard of them because Evealopolous (or whatever) spam local with trial alts more than the scammers.
Not seen somer.blink resorting to that - perhaps they do in places, I dunno. |
Piddle Diddy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:23:00 -
[290] - Quote
Othran wrote:Piddle Diddy wrote:Othran wrote:I'd put money on this being the Evealopolous (or whatever) spammers starting the thread. If you can't compete then spam local with trial alts and then smear a good amount of **** around. That seems to be their modus operandi. Won't work yes, it could only be "competitors" that no one has ever heard of and who aren't mentioned anywhere in the thread... until you mentioned them. Nice try alty boy. Everyone who's spent any time in trade/mission/newbie hubs has heard of them because Evealopolous (or whatever) spam local with trial alts more than the scammers. Not seen somer.blink resorting to that - perhaps they do in places, I dunno. I have spent a lot of time in trade hubs and have never heard of them. I'm aware that there are other lotteries, but most of eve has never heard of them. BIG is the only other one that is well known and its not some convoluted gambling plan, just a straight up lottery. I odn't think anyone would accuse Torn of underhandedness, but then, we have no real way of proving that any of the lotteries are legitimate. My point was simply that just because people are challenging their legitimacy doesn't mean its a competitor.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
228
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Posted - 2012.08.21 16:37:00 -
[291] - Quote
Piddle Diddy wrote:[My point was simply that just because people are challenging their legitimacy doesn't mean its a competitor.
These threads appear every 2-3 months and tend to coincide with perceived times when people will be returning to game (summer break over for kids/January/Easter/etc). Then there's a burst in trial chars spamming local with Evealopolous "offers". Its not a coincidence.
Somer.blink is still here. I've never used them.
BIG are cool, I remember them when they started. I have bet with them a few times on Eve tourneys and won. |
Piddle Diddy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.21 20:44:00 -
[292] - Quote
Othran wrote:Piddle Diddy wrote:[My point was simply that just because people are challenging their legitimacy doesn't mean its a competitor.
These threads appear every 2-3 months and tend to coincide with perceived times when people will be returning to game (summer break over for kids/January/Easter/etc). Then there's a burst in trial chars spamming local with Evealopolous "offers". Its not a coincidence. Somer.blink is still here. I've never used them. BIG are cool, I remember them when they started. I have bet with them a few times on Eve tourneys and won. Please show me these threads and the schedule on wihch they appear. Links to the first pages and dates, please. |
Kel Shek
Blue Sun Labs
0
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Posted - 2012.08.21 21:01:00 -
[293] - Quote
Piddle Diddy wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Piddle Diddy wrote:they also send people into the bigger, more public corps like eve uni to advertise in channel. they camoflauge it by talking about somer rather than just outright advertising. i wouldn't have thought twice about it until i saw it in three different corps i was infiltrating. somehow these positive talkers have always managed to 'beat.' statistics make liars of them, so i dont' know who they think they're fooling. Ahem. Statistics will state that /some/ people will win. They're just the outliers. After all, people win Lotteries, and win millions at that. There are just a lot more losers. That is exactly why they stuck out to me. How is it so many people in several different corps were so successful, so often? The way they spoke about it always followd a similar pattern about beating the system and getting ahead. Anyway, just something I noticed. I could give a ****.
because the odds of winning on blink are about a zillion times better than winning the powerball or other real lotteries, and its set up in small bursts, not one big lump.
Potittious wrote:Jenn Ymor wrote:Thanks for bringing this thread back up, i would have missed the bonus blinks and other specials You wouldn't want to miss paying your Idiot Tax (what my dad calls all lotteries) [ Idiot tax definitly works when theres no real chance of winning. but well, with blink, this celebration I deposited 90m to start, and won a plex already. so setting aside everything I've won before the 300t event, even after losing the 50m I think it was I deposited after that, I'm at about triple my money? seems to me what I have already won, means that I can put something like 300m and still break even, even if I win nothing else.
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
113
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Posted - 2012.08.22 05:08:00 -
[294] - Quote
Quote:because the odds of winning on blink are about a zillion times better than winning the powerball or other real lotteries, and its set up in small bursts, not one big lump.
That win ratio is public information, and a lot less people complain than actually lose ISK.
I do have respect for the people that had the integrity to say "I lost money on it but such is the nature of the beast".
Especially in a game with SO MANY SORE LOSERS AND WHINERS. You would think they would be bitching up a storm. |
Palander
FinFleet Raiden.
1
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Posted - 2012.08.22 11:47:00 -
[295] - Quote
I think it might be a scam, I have lost about 42b to that site, from corp wallet of course. I usually buy all the tickets so i get 100% change to win that price. |
Piddle Diddy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:35:00 -
[296] - Quote
Kel Shek wrote:Idiot tax definitly works when theres no real chance of winning. but well, with blink, this celebration I deposited 90m to start, and won a plex already. so setting aside everything I've won before the 300t event, even after losing the 50m I think it was I deposited after that, I'm at about triple my money? seems to me what I have already won, means that I can put something like 300m and still break even, even if I win nothing else.
Look, its another of those mysterious winners who managed to, gasp, triple their money, even though its statistically incredibly unlikely. Just like the other shills who advertise for Somer. |
Piddle Diddy
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.08.22 14:38:00 -
[297] - Quote
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:That win ratio is public information, and a lot less people complain than actually lose ISK Public information? Where does this information come from, pray tell? The mysterious backend webserver that no one can see or audit. that's where. Are you really saying that you trust them based on information that can't be verified? |
TheGhostThatNeverLies
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.23 04:20:00 -
[298] - Quote
I am the Ghost That Never Lies.
SB is totally not a scam. |
Orzo Torasson
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
45
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Posted - 2012.08.23 04:40:00 -
[299] - Quote
I just lost another billion on blink. It must be a scam. I SHOULD WIN WHEN I GAMBLE GODDAMNIT |
Gallladorn
1
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Posted - 2012.08.23 08:41:00 -
[300] - Quote
it's legit and fun... and what makes people lose is GREED, not fake players or anything else... |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9217
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Posted - 2012.08.23 08:49:00 -
[301] - Quote
Piddle Diddy wrote:Look, its another of those mysterious winners who managed to, gasp, triple their money, even though its statistically incredibly unlikely. It's not particularly unlikely, no. In fact, it's rather to be expected.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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Glary Crazy
Empyrean Warriors The Obsidian Front
0
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Posted - 2012.08.23 09:00:00 -
[302] - Quote
Blinks legit, it's just unfortuanate idiots are on the internets who don't know that you can lose at a gamble. Whodathunkit. |
Diesel47
Painkiller.
114
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Posted - 2012.08.23 09:14:00 -
[303] - Quote
I don't see how it is even fun.
If anything, I'd rather play EOH poker if i wanted to waste my time/isk |
McPod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.23 12:02:00 -
[304] - Quote
It's a legit scam. |
Kel Shek
Blue Sun Labs
0
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Posted - 2012.08.23 12:34:00 -
[305] - Quote
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:Quote:because the odds of winning on blink are about a zillion times better than winning the powerball or other real lotteries, and its set up in small bursts, not one big lump. That win ratio is public information, and a lot less people complain than actually lose ISK. I do have respect for the people that had the integrity to say "I lost money on it but such is the nature of the beast". Especially in a game with SO MANY SORE LOSERS AND WHINERS. You would think they would be bitching up a storm.
I am not sure it stands to reason that so many would be complaining so much. I think most of the sore losing and whining and such, are in a context where the person feels they were unfairly slighted. ... what if MOST of the people who lose in blink, understand the nature of it and just accept their losses as fair and part of the deal, and just move on?
Piddle Diddy wrote:Kel Shek wrote:Idiot tax definitly works when theres no real chance of winning. but well, with blink, this celebration I deposited 90m to start, and won a plex already. so setting aside everything I've won before the 300t event, even after losing the 50m I think it was I deposited after that, I'm at about triple my money? seems to me what I have already won, means that I can put something like 300m and still break even, even if I win nothing else.
Look, its another of those mysterious winners who managed to, gasp, triple their money, even though its statistically incredibly unlikely. Just like the other shills who advertise for Somer.
that was at the start. since then I've so far put in about 300m more, and won a few frigates and 50m or so ISK in cash. ... which means by my figuring, I'm just a little bit above breaking even.
even in this case, over time, the statistics work out to be much less incredible.
if a person put down one ticket on one blink, won, and stopped, they have won 100% and greatly increased their money. this isn't THAT statistically impossible. just unlikely.
coming out ahead on blink is all about getting lucky enough to get a starting point, and keeping ahead of the odds ironing out that wrinkle. |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
480
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:01:00 -
[306] - Quote
Piddle Diddy wrote:Kel Shek wrote:Idiot tax definitly works when theres no real chance of winning. but well, with blink, this celebration I deposited 90m to start, and won a plex already. so setting aside everything I've won before the 300t event, even after losing the 50m I think it was I deposited after that, I'm at about triple my money? seems to me what I have already won, means that I can put something like 300m and still break even, even if I win nothing else.
Look, its another of those mysterious winners who managed to, gasp, triple their money, even though its statistically incredibly unlikely. Just like the other shills who advertise for Somer.
I'm really good at blink.
Isk please for shilling. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á |
Potittious
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:04:00 -
[307] - Quote
keep on shilling baby, keep on shilling
if you're stupid enough to believe whatever they tell you, even when logic tells you it is a scam, then I guess you deserve to be scammed you stupid sheep.
cheers! |
Kel Shek
Blue Sun Labs
0
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:33:00 -
[308] - Quote
Potittious wrote:keep on shilling baby, keep on shilling
if you're stupid enough to believe whatever they tell you, even when logic tells you it is a scam, then I guess you deserve to be scammed you stupid sheep.
cheers!
actually logic tells us that its NOT a scam.
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Potittious
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:50:00 -
[309] - Quote
Kel Shek wrote:Potittious wrote:keep on shilling baby, keep on shilling
if you're stupid enough to believe whatever they tell you, even when logic tells you it is a scam, then I guess you deserve to be scammed you stupid sheep.
cheers! actually logic tells us that its NOT a scam. How so? An organization with no oversight, no regulation, no records, no confirmable information, no transparency, and nothing, absolutely nothing verifiable (positive or negative). In a game based on greed, scamming, and the infinite variety of pvp. But this one is somehow different. Nobody has answered the most basic question, why do you trust someone you know nothing about? Would you trust anyone else in eve based on the same lack of information? It boggles the mind. |
Totally Trustworthy
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.23 14:53:00 -
[310] - Quote
I am totally trustworthy. Give me 1 mil ISK to participate in my lottery. I promise there are many other people playing and that I won't give the prize to my alt. |
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Kel Shek
Blue Sun Labs
0
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Posted - 2012.08.24 00:10:00 -
[311] - Quote
Potittious wrote:[quote=Kel Shek] why do you trust someone you know nothing about? Would you trust anyone else in eve based on the same lack of information? It boggles the mind.
at first I didn't. at first, I started with an amount of money that I might be willing to give away, and expected that I very well might have been doing precisely that. I tested the waters to see if for example, I actually received payment when I requested it, that ships were delivered when they should be, ect.
and you know what? they were. any delays were quite reasonable, and the apparent odds over time, seemed to be within reasonable variation of luck, according to the presented circumstances.
in MY opinion, by my personal judgement, (which I do not expect or ask anyone to take my word or accept my judgement as conclusive) the most rational, logical case, is that they stand to gain more by keeping it legitimate, than they would by cheating.
another factor would be the difficulty in cheating. some forms of cheating would be easy, but the easy ways would be rather visible. doing it in a way that would not be obvious, would take ENORMOUS amounts of work. why spend all that energy when you can make more money more reliably, without doing that work?
ultimately, between my own personal experience, and the fact that I have seen absolutely no evidence that they are cheating, I see no reason why to think they are. |
Thabiso
Merchants of the Golden Goose
13
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Posted - 2012.08.24 13:12:00 -
[312] - Quote
So reading this thread I got interested, especially after reading the apparent ramblings of a lunatic (the somer exposed).
Deposited 100m, they where on my account immediately, within an hour of playing I've won a PLEX and a Drake, both contracted almost immediately.
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alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
57
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Posted - 2012.08.24 13:24:00 -
[313] - Quote
It's CCP allowed "botted" if you will isk.
It's all automated... and they make a profit.
Them macro miners are badddddd but HUGE auto isk making like blink and **** CCP allows it's kinda lol. |
TheGhostThatNeverLies
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.08.24 13:45:00 -
[314] - Quote
Kel Shek wrote:another factor would be the difficulty in cheating. some forms of cheating would be easy, but the easy ways would be rather visible. doing it in a way that would not be obvious, would take ENORMOUS amounts of work. why spend all that energy when you can make more money more reliably, without doing that work? do you not understand how a computer works? the whole thing is off the eve servers and contained entirely on the backend of the website. No one needs to do anything. Its automated.
No one can stop you from misplacing your trust, but the shills and the naysayers need to face a basic fact: you're operating entirely on faith. You don't have any way to know whether they're cheating or not. In EVE, that is ALWAYS a bad idea. Why anyone would decide that one particular group eve is trustworthy without any proof is crazy.
I got this character name from a Family guy episode. Peter is in court and he's defending himself. He calls his surprise witness, the Ghost That Never Lies, But No One But Me Can See or Hear. Its apt.
By all means, keep throwing your ISK away. Brag about it. Tell everyone what a true Somer acolyte you are. Get territorial about it. Condemn anyone who disturbs your fantasy. They love it. It's the best kind of scam, one in which the victims defend the scammer. It makes you look ridiculous. |
The Arkhan
Bad Beat Inc. One Stop Research
0
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Posted - 2012.08.29 07:01:00 -
[315] - Quote
I won 6b isk. But I broke the rules. I made alts. I had 1b in winnings pending when my accounts were closed. After I convoed a Blink rep, they sent me my winnings, although they kept my accounts closed.
I can never play Blink again, but it's a something I can live with, since it means I beat the house. Rather unfortunate for Somer actually because I was going to buy 4 GTCs from their affiliate to play more Blink since I knew eventually I would lose.
I will vouch for Blink. It's addictive, it's fun as hell, and it's legitimate. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
117
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Posted - 2012.08.29 08:24:00 -
[316] - Quote
Kel Shek wrote:Potittious wrote:[quote=Kel Shek] why do you trust someone you know nothing about? Would you trust anyone else in eve based on the same lack of information? It boggles the mind. at first I didn't. at first, I started with an amount of money that I might be willing to give away, and expected that I very well might have been doing precisely that. I tested the waters to see if for example, I actually received payment when I requested it, that ships were delivered when they should be, ect. and you know what? they were. any delays were quite reasonable, and the apparent odds over time, seemed to be within reasonable variation of luck, according to the presented circumstances. in MY opinion, by my personal judgement, (which I do not expect or ask anyone to take my word or accept my judgement as conclusive) the most rational, logical case, is that they stand to gain more by keeping it legitimate, than they would by cheating. another factor would be the difficulty in cheating. some forms of cheating would be easy, but the easy ways would be rather visible. doing it in a way that would not be obvious, would take ENORMOUS amounts of work. why spend all that energy when you can make more money more reliably, without doing that work? ultimately, between my own personal experience, and the fact that I have seen absolutely no evidence that they are cheating, I see no reason why to think they are.
Textbook Ponzi scam FFS. "Logic dictates" that I now LOL.
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Baron vonSteubing
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.08.29 08:54:00 -
[317] - Quote
i can offer nothing but my own experience...
i think its a scam of sorts.
Some people have massive win %, ive seen like 80% win rate on 200 blinks with only 3bil deposited.
Im not saying its a terrible game, but its definately not "fair" as they claim. Its not randomly won... and the "bonk" has been won 3 times by the same guy... the chances of that are crazy.
It is addicting and hats off to them for cashing in on that...
I joined blink with my main, lost 1bil and then convoed a somer blink guy in their channel. after telling him that i would deposit more isk if i won a few more... i magically won 2 promo blinks and a proteus and 3 smaller ships without a single loss...
It might be conincidence and juts gambling... but something doesnt smell right |
Serith Ellecon
Keepers of the Abyss IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2012.08.30 03:58:00 -
[318] - Quote
McPod wrote:It's a legit scam. This. In the same way every casino on the planet is a legit scam (where local laws allow).
They make a huge profit on every blink running it legitimately, why would they ever need to turn it into a scam? |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
218
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Posted - 2012.08.30 04:21:00 -
[319] - Quote
if you have to ask;
If you are playing EVE, its a scam lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears
you will be harvested |
Zeronicks Oman
RUS Rebels Ultima Rati0
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 19:10:00 -
[320] - Quote
Somer blink Statistic site http://blink.post-geek.com/ |
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Germaldi's Mum
Aliastra Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.19 10:43:00 -
[321] - Quote
Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks!
i won 8 ships in 2 days... including a carrier... using the free blink credit u get when ya buy a gtc via somer blink's website. so far i can't complain tbh |
Thibault Etienne
10
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:22:00 -
[322] - Quote
Won plex on promo and now I'm a multi billionaire. Main thing is know your limits and follow the basic EVE rule. Don't play with what you cant afford to loose. Haven't had any problems. Payout is fast. I will continue to blink my 100k a week. |
Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
272
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Posted - 2012.09.19 11:56:00 -
[323] - Quote
Blink scammed me too.
I won a Succubus, Phantasm, and four assault frigates when I expected to be scammed out of my ISK. Blink scammed me with legitimacy. :| "For example, if you are thinking about selling a Republic Fleet Firetail as a regular Firetail, be sure that the market volume is high on regular Firetails and that there are plenty of buy/sell contracts for Republic Fleet Firetails. [...] The players most interested in Republic Fleet Firetails are going to be players flying regular ones."-á -- PB |
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords Destiny's Call
1
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Posted - 2012.09.22 14:09:00 -
[324] - Quote
Hey I do not know if they use scammer-alts, who always win to improve their income even further. But I don't beleave that is the case!
The whole system is well thought through. They make far less profit as the regular blinks would indicate. Yet, I do realize they do make a WHOLE BUNCH OF PROFIT. The whole system all together is complex as hell, making it almost impossible to completly understand it. All those gimmics are breathtaking (: But I tried to understand how it works and I found a way for myself to make ISK in the longrun. Ofcourse, if everybody behaved like me the page wouldn't work (: I have to admit I was a bit lucky, but those are my numbers: I deposited 132,000,000 ISK I took out 1,424,520,000 ISK
My grandma used to say: "I like playing in the casino. I don't expect to win. Other people spend their money going to the cinema and doing other hobbies. I use my spares to play in the casino. If I don't win, I at least had some fun spending time. If i win: great bonus"
Conclusion: I don't beleave they need to scam in any way, as they make tons of profit. They offer some fun for a low percantage of your ISK with a chance to even earn ISK. And If you are smart you can actually make ISK off the other blinkers by running smart blinks (: like me (:
regards Destriouth Hollow
EDIT: I will not tell what I do (: They thought of a good model and there is a lot of work in the page and system. I don't want to ruin this for them. (: |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
66
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Posted - 2012.09.22 14:35:00 -
[325] - Quote
I've had nothing but fun. Well, the CIA is after me and my best friend has been replaced with an alien, but I don't think it's connected to Blink. OR IS IT? Music for robots, geeks, hackers, and nerds. Nerdiest homepage on the internet? |
Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords Destiny's Call
1
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Posted - 2012.09.22 14:39:00 -
[326] - Quote
Yeah (: Even if I know what to do and not do on blink to actually earn some ISK for me: It's GOD DAMN HARD to restrain myself to that (: As blinking is a lot of fun (: Maybe paying for the fun isn't as bad. Don't we all do that for EVE already? (: |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
84
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Posted - 2012.09.24 07:13:00 -
[327] - Quote
I love this Blink stuff.
I just won Hilmar"s jeans! AND 8 Billion AUR! And a new unreleased prototype SB with 16 high slots!
You fools are hilarious. Can I interest you in a eve Banking account? |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
361
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Posted - 2012.09.24 07:50:00 -
[328] - Quote
another bump for the Somer Blink advertisement thread.
"Somer Blink - I can't believe it's not a scam." I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
PI Maker
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.24 14:42:00 -
[329] - Quote
its obviously a scam. |
UNICR0N
SWARTA Mostly Clueless
2
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Posted - 2012.09.24 17:41:00 -
[330] - Quote
Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks! In my experience I have won a lot and lost a lot like many other but I would't call it a scam it's there way of also making isk they can't just hand it out like crazy like it's going and from what I know my friend sold his character somer bought it and he see's his alt in somer all the time it's a "bot" none the less but the corp has to make it's circular income some how I suppose even when you buy out something have a 80% chance to win and you still somehow lose.... |
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Destriouth Hollow
Star-Destroying-Warlords Destiny's Call
5
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Posted - 2012.09.24 23:57:00 -
[331] - Quote
This happens about every 5. time you do it (: |
Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
1266
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Posted - 2012.09.25 16:00:00 -
[332] - Quote
So far I've won 4 ships in 2 days, depo'd 60 million more or less. It's a fun diversion. Just use some common sense and don't gamble more than you are comfortable about losing. It's not a way to reliably make money (unless you're the house) -- it's a game of chance. If you don't like to gamble, simply don't patronize the establishment. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
563
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Posted - 2012.09.25 17:48:00 -
[333] - Quote
You should watch the movie "Revolver" with Jason Statham. It explains the how and why of the con. They give you the formula to the scam, SB follows the model to a T. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |
Acuchai
Abyss Heavy Industries ZZ-Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.09.25 18:01:00 -
[334] - Quote
I think its is fairly obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of computing that that website could scam if they wanted to without anyone readily noticing. With real security there would have to be a third party trust entitity that could be used to verify the integrity of the results (for instance an ID at random.org with an authenticated link to a specific draw).
Given that, all that posting about "secure" code snippets is just BS, at the end of the day people need to trust you that you actually implemented it the way you said you implemented it.
The question for data is however interesting, because by analyzing the data independently you COULD find statistical anomalies that shouldn't be there given your fairly simple model of draws (if you were not carefull with your "manipulated" data entries). If that analysis proves a "statistical significant" deviation of what should be there, it would be essentially a proof of a scam. Not finding a deviation would not mean you had not scammed though, because you control all the data entries and the entities linked to those data entries cannot be verified.
My question however would be: Is it worth it to scam? Given that you make plenty of money with a legit model (20-30% of each draw) i do not see any compelling reason why scamming would be worth while. You could be that greedy i suppose, but the risk of detection would have to be weighted against a secure long term income, given that most eve players apparently are addicted and are not able to perform simple math :) |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
667
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Posted - 2012.09.25 18:37:00 -
[335] - Quote
UNICR0N wrote:Ariel Armani wrote:Hello, I heard about this 250 celebration or whatever that Somer Blink is having, so I was interested. I have some extra ISK for "fun". Anyway, I was asking around, and somebody sent me this link - http://blinkexposed.blogspot.com/That got me worried, so I asked about it in the Blink thread. Some dude Andrew Nox (with Blink I guess) told me to just "ask other Blink players about their experiences". So that's what I am doing. Anybody want to share their experiences, good or bad? Thanks! In my experience I have won a lot and lost a lot like many other but I would't call it a scam it's there way of also making isk they can't just hand it out like crazy like it's going and from what I know my friend sold his character somer bought it and he see's his alt in somer all the time it's a "bot" none the less but the corp has to make it's circular income some how I suppose even when you buy out something have a 80% chance to win and you still somehow lose....
Well, an 80% chance of winning is also known as a 20% chance of losing. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Hunter Naari
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.31 08:57:00 -
[336] - Quote
I started with just over 3 bil deposited in my blink account. Now my EVE account is positive 22 bil all within 24 hours. Blink has my vote |
Myfanwy Heimdal
Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc
159
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Posted - 2012.10.31 09:18:00 -
[337] - Quote
Bobo Cindekela wrote:
gambling is a tax on people who are bad at math.
Wrong, gambling is an income stream for those who are good at Maths.
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hy wanto destroyer
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.11.01 15:56:00 -
[338] - Quote
As it has been said before , somer blink is a love hate relationship -you win some you lose some , people who have losing streaks are normally the ones who claim its a scam well thats not true, ive won 46 bill worth of stuff and for promos you dont win one every ten promos you do unless your extremely lucky ive played 162 and won 1 |
Akaisha Mas'tere
Pilots of Dubious Sanity Social Club Swollen Starfish Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.11.14 11:14:00 -
[339] - Quote
Would say there is no scam here , you are offered a chance to win something for cheap , you get a chance to win something for cheap , personally i have fun along the way with my iskies win or lose
I tend to buy one ticket per blink , sometimes i lose a few bill sometimes i win a few more than i lose .... all to blind luck which is how i always thought a lottery should work
I know damn well though i wish somer ran our national lottery ..... id have me an aston martin by now
anyway i digress a little , my main point is if you had fun spending your isk win or lose does it matter ? and furthermore if you aint having fun then you probably shouldnt be gambling in the first place .... house always wins we all know this ..... shouldnt get too butthurt to find out the house is making its isk
To the guys at blink ...... feel free to drop me a nightmare bhalgorn mach and vindi whenever you choose .... will just be our lil secret noone else needs to know ..... even a few wolves ??? ..... no ? ..... oh well worth a try
Great service blink ..... even if you tend to keep me skint and in withdrawal you got my vote |
Pootis Man
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.14 14:24:00 -
[340] - Quote
If they have been around for so long, it's obvious it's not a scam. |
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Telegram Sam
Shoot 2 Thrill
451
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Posted - 2012.11.14 17:15:00 -
[341] - Quote
Confirming that Somer Blink are more than decent guys. I asked them for an isk donation, trying to raise a total of about 3 bil for an EVE fiction contest. Once they had determined that I wasn't just a crude scammer, they upped the ante and voluntarily gave me 10 bil. I'd say that's about as opposite of being a scam as you can get. o7 Somer!
Edit: I'm tempted to throw in plugs for everybody who donated big prizes for the writers, but... I'll save that for a more appropriate thread someday. You can see them here if you're interested. |
Dr No Game
Android Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.15 01:06:00 -
[342] - Quote
I have no opinion one way or another, I just feel the need to point one thing out. Everyone is saying "with the amount of ISK SB makes it would be crazy to jeopardize it all by scamming." Unless of course it was a scam from the start. In that case, all the ISK he makes is because of the scam. What happened to all the other legitimate, profitable gambling schemes on Eve?
My apologies if this was already brought up, I skipped from page 8 to 18 :P |
Sunglasses At Midnight
Concordiat Tribal Band
3
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Posted - 2012.11.15 01:43:00 -
[343] - Quote
Here's some fun facts:
Somer Blink never says that it doesn't make a profit. It says it provides lottery services, and the picture of statistics the anti- Blink website posted claiming that it was taken down is still available, albeit updated to recent numbers, here.
Somer Blink's website is professionally built and maintained. The Anti- Blink's website is run on Blogspot.com, a free site for hosting blogs with no content limitations, aside from those asked for all Google Inc. services. The blogger can post anything they want.
Not once on the blogging website is an actual scam mentioned. Somer Blink does everything it says it does, nothing more, nothing less. It's all sensationalized repetition of the same core fact, that Somer Blink is a business that, at the end of a day, will make a profit, and that they make the most profit compared to the players- this is not a bad thing, or a good thing. It is absolute.
It's the choice of EVE players to do as they want with their money. The Anti- Blink website maintains that taking currency out of the game is a bad thing, but the fact is, Blink isn't forcing anyone to use their services. EVE isn't quite like the real world: asteroids literally come out of empty space, as do NPC's to farm. Some money goes out of the game when a ship is destroyed, or something is trashed (trashing things really doesn't occur on a scale large enough to have a great effect), or through NPC run "taxes". This is another way ISK goes out of the game- and I don't mean to cause a huge economics debate, I really don't. I'm just pointing out that there needs to be a balance in the way ISK flows through the game, and the fact that it literally spawns in space means that a service like this that removes ISK from the game isn't really that big a deal. The players are making the same ISK that's being spent, so every time you mine an asteroid, every time you kill an NPC, every time you finish a mission, you're adding ISK from nothing into the game. Hell, on a big enough scale, everything's relative. The 5000 ISK gift every player receives amounts to about 3 billion ISK with all these accounts. |
Vostrez
Arkhon Industries Mineral Excavations and Combat Innovations
0
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Posted - 2012.11.15 02:56:00 -
[344] - Quote
Dammit. I saw this thread thinking "What's this?" decided to check it out.. Lost my complete 55mil |
Dr No Game
Android Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.15 11:58:00 -
[345] - Quote
Vostrez wrote:Dammit. I saw this thread thinking "What's this?" decided to check it out.. Lost my complete 55mil This is where I would normally say "don't spend/fly what you cannot afford to lose." |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
932
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Posted - 2012.11.15 12:01:00 -
[346] - Quote
Thread #684691513.153.65163 V10.5 about Somer Blink
Highlights:
-Somer Blink -Scam -Words
You're welcome. brb |
Zhao-luojao Shou
Industrial Dragon Tycoons
0
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Posted - 2012.11.15 12:10:00 -
[347] - Quote
I have Blinked for a long time. the other night i won 5 plex's with just 2 tickets each, a ton of small stuff and sniped (but the last ticket) a moros. its just a matter of buying the right ticket at the right time. i have gotten all my prizes within 2 hours. the only part of blink that is a scam is the contracts that ppl not asociated with SomerBlink will send you. |
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