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Trygonus
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Posted - 2010.03.16 10:07:00 -
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If I wanted to just do some afk lvl 4 missions in high sec, is there any real benefit of using the Rattlesnake over the Dominix?
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Zommari Jiruga
Security Status Negative Cookie Nation
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Posted - 2010.03.16 10:17:00 -
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Assuming you're afk most of the time, no The real advantage is that you can fit Torps/Cruise and select damagetypes (which the domi can't do) for some etra dps + the extra buffer / tank. OTH there isn't much a dualrep domi can't tank...
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Trygonus
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Posted - 2010.03.16 10:26:00 -
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I also thought about a missile boat with F.O.F. missiles but I am worried about someone coming into my mission, stealing from a wreck, and locking me to wait for the F.O.F.'s to cycle to them. Then they face melt my beautiful ship. Can they do that or am I being paranoid
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.03.16 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 16/03/2010 10:53:08 Rattlesnake can fit more drone modules meaning your drones do more effective DPS. My Rattlensake hvy drones kill faster than a DomiÆs hvy drones.
As far as I recall FOF missiles will not shoot unless you are being shot at. Unsure how someone stealing loot effects FOF. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:02:00 -
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who ever tell you that the domi can do same as rattle never was in rattle ! Domi is good ship no doubt but rattle can get 80%+ across all resists (whith lvl 5 skills) and yes as mentioned the ship do more dps whith drone upgrades. If you game stile is to agro start drones buy one is worth every penny. Don't rely on DPS from cruse/torp is silly you will need one set of sentry drones T2. I use it as dual acc some time (it don't run missions as fast as CNR) but i can look movies when he grind isk for me.
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Trade Girly
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:14:00 -
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Not really. They do the ~same dps. 3-4 railguns kill small targets at 30+km pretty well unlike those launchers. Also the harder tank you make on rattlesnake, the less mods you can fit for drones (like omni) which domi can do without hurting it's tanking. Domi is 10 times cheaper and can be insured which is another good side of it. Domi looks symmetrical which is another good bonus.
The only benefit I see on rattlesnake is passive tanking. You can make it so tough so the whole pocket (like 10-14BS + others) aggro will hardly make your shield down to 50%. Anyway domi can dualrep every mission so uber tanking can be barely considered as benefit at all.
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Sigaar
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sigaar on 16/03/2010 11:46:42
Quote: Don't rely on DPS from cruse/torp is silly
I am afraid, you sir, is silly. Rattlesnake can easily take 4 bcus+2 painters to supplement torpedoes thus will do great damage with them. Well like 400-500 extra dps on battleships and little less on smaller ships. You call that silly? That alone is a dps of a Dominix. I am talking about something like:
[Rattlesnake] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
t2 / CN Invul or rat specific t2 / CN invul or rat specific Shield boost amplifier Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Republic Fleet Target Painter Republic Fleet Target Painter
Siege Missile Launcher II Siege Missile Launcher II Siege Missile Launcher II Siege Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor I Small tractor beam
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Sentry Damage Rig Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Ogre II Hobgoblin II Garde II Warden II
Quote: 3-4 railguns kill small targets at 30+km pretty well unlike those launchers.
Oh wow. And we all know that your targets are usually exactly at 30km. Launchers with target painters kill stuff just fine from 0 to 60km. Wardens and Garde will kill most small stuff on approach anyway or just launch Hobs in the end to clear frigs if any.
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Trade Girly Not really. They do the ~same dps. 3-4 railguns kill small targets at 30+km pretty well unlike those launchers. Also the harder tank you make on rattlesnake, the less mods you can fit for drones (like omni) which domi can do without hurting it's tanking. Domi is 10 times cheaper and can be insured which is another good side of it. Domi looks symmetrical which is another good bonus.
The only benefit I see on rattlesnake is passive tanking. You can make it so tough so the whole pocket (like 10-14BS + others) aggro will hardly make your shield down to 50%. Anyway domi can dualrep every mission so uber tanking can be barely considered as benefit at all.
pls go trade... you make you self look sily. if you use the domi mids for drones upgrade then is not cap stable, if is not cap stable then you need cap boosters if you need cap boosters then is NOT AFK SHIP !
Ratle don't need ammo (you can just fire one cruse per group to agro all) Ratle can be set to tank in two ways (whith inv or just full pasif, whith inv the cap is stable) If you go inv you can fit two drone upgrades (if you don't fit shild ext then you can go 3 drones upgrade) Mine rattle got EHP of 198000 pls do the same whith domi.
Buy one fly one then talk about one.
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Sigaar Edited by: Sigaar on 16/03/2010 11:46:42
Quote: Don't rely on DPS from cruse/torp is silly
I am afraid, you sir, is silly. Rattlesnake can easily take 4 bcus+2 painters to supplement torpedoes thus will do great damage with them. Well like 400-500 extra dps on battleships and little less on smaller ships. You call that silly? That alone is a dps of a Dominix. I am talking about something like:
[Rattlesnake] Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
t2 / CN Invul or rat specific t2 / CN invul or rat specific Shield boost amplifier Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Republic Fleet Target Painter Republic Fleet Target Painter
Siege Missile Launcher II Siege Missile Launcher II Siege Missile Launcher II Siege Missile Launcher II Drone Link Augmentor I Small tractor beam
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Sentry Damage Rig Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Ogre II Hobgoblin II Garde II Warden II
Quote: 3-4 railguns kill small targets at 30+km pretty well unlike those launchers.
Oh wow. And we all know that your targets are usually exactly at 30km. Launchers with target painters kill stuff just fine from 0 to 60km. Wardens and Garde will kill most small stuff on approach anyway or just launch Hobs in the end to clear frigs if any.
there is some rly stupid ppl in eve.
rattle is DRONE ship omg !
if you wana fit it this way why not fly golem ?
I rly hope you fly this fit in mission cos i will love to suicide you.
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Sigaar
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Posted - 2010.03.16 11:58:00 -
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Edited by: Sigaar on 16/03/2010 12:00:22
Originally by: Tian Nu there is some rly stupid ppl in eve. rattle is DRONE ship omg ! if you wana fit it this way why not fly golem ? I rly hope you fly this fit in mission cos i will love to suicide you.
RATTLE IS A DRONE SHIP SO LETS LEAVE THOSE 4 HIGH SLOT EMPTY! OR FOK, LETS PUT 4 SIEGE LAUNCHERS BUT NOT PUT A PAINTER SO THEY DO SHT DAMAGE.
Are you dumb? Rattle have enough slots to fit everything. Its DUMB to NOT fit it when you can. And ye, flying a 1 billion ship and not fitting at least some good modules is also "smart". Why do missions faster when you can do it twice longer with twice less dps after all.
You are right dude "there is some really stupid people in eve".
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.03.16 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tian Nu on 16/03/2010 12:25:17
Originally by: Sigaar Edited by: Sigaar on 16/03/2010 12:12:26
Originally by: Tian Nu there is some rly stupid ppl in eve. rattle is DRONE ship omg ! if you wana fit it this way why not fly golem ? I rly hope you fly this fit in mission cos i will love to suicide you.
RATTLE IS A DRONE SHIP SO LETS LEAVE THOSE 4 HIGH SLOT EMPTY! OR FOK, LETS PUT 4 SIEGE LAUNCHERS BUT NOT PUT A PAINTER SO THEY DO SHT DAMAGE.
Rattle have enough slots to fit everything. Its silly to NOT fit it when you can (if not going for afk version ofc). And ye, flying a 1 billion ship and not fitting at least some good modules is also "smart". Why do missions faster when you can do it twice longer with twice less dps after all.
You are right dude "there is some really stupid people in eve".
ok first this is what the OP write :
Originally by: Trygonus If I wanted to just do some afk lvl 4 missions in high sec, is there any real benefit of using the Rattlesnake over the Dominix?
so i guss we are looking for AFK ship (but i don't hope you limited neurons to understend that part)
Sec:
If you don't understend that you fit is fail then i can't help. If you can't understend that you fit will be perfect on Golem i can't help If you don't understend (aparantly you cant use T2 sentry's) that all DPS of rattle is in drones i can't help If you don't understend that you fit can be suicide ganked i can't help If you don't understend that you fit is not cap stable (thus making you sucide perfect target) i can't help
oh well look like i can't help you
For the OP buy rattle and mail me i will send you afk fit that i use cos you know there is diff betwin ppl that fly ships on EFT and ppl that actualy fly ships in EvE.
PS. i don't know if is cap stable cos i don't use EFT to fit mine ships so it may be cap stable am not going to buy fail mods just to check out.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.03.16 12:43:00 -
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Trade Girly said ôNot really. They do the ~same dps.ö Raw DPS is the same but effective DPS is less on the Domi. Looking at drones only my 1000dps tanked Rattlesnake hvy drones will often kill the target before standard fit Domi hvy drones have even got into range.
Something like below would make a better AFK ship then a Domi [Rattlesnake] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Large Shield Extender II Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Drone Navigation Computer I Drone Navigation Computer I
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor Siege Missile Launcher II, Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Torpedo
Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II
ThatÆs what I fly. I guess most people would swap the faction stuff for T2 and perhaps T1 purgers. I find its way overtanked so it should work fine as an AFK ship.
______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.03.16 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Trade Girly said ôNot really. They do the ~same dps.ö Raw DPS is the same but effective DPS is less on the Domi. Looking at drones only my 1000dps tanked Rattlesnake hvy drones will often kill the target before standard fit Domi hvy drones have even got into range.
Something like below would make a better AFK ship then a Domi [Rattlesnake] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Large Shield Extender II Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Drone Navigation Computer I Drone Navigation Computer I
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor Siege Missile Launcher II, Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Torpedo
Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II
ThatÆs what I fly. I guess most people would swap the faction stuff for T2 and perhaps T1 purgers. I find its way overtanked so it should work fine as an AFK ship.
i like when ppl fit ships the way they are made for. i use something similar (but more of T2 mods).
Don't know if "Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor" are nesesery... the normal one seem to do ok.
T2 rigs are nice but for someone that can buy them T2 will work.
I do use two slots that you use for drone mods to get more tank.
But is nice fit.
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Sigaar
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Posted - 2010.03.16 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tian Nu Rattle have enough slots to fit everything. Its silly to NOT fit it when you can (if not going for afk version ofc).
Seeing that you cant read i dont expect you to help me or anyone for that matter.
Quote: If you can't understend that you fit will be perfect on Golem i can't help
I cant understEnd indeed. Great logic: if one ship can use torps better then others lets not fit torps on anything else. Do you seriously expect to help someone with this sort of logic?
Quote: If you don't understend (aparantly you cant use T2 sentry's) that all DPS of rattle is in drones i can't help
If you are lazy enough to aim your missiles then yes. No one argued that. I was referring to another post and speaking about Rattle in general, not just AFK version, most people understood that except for you. I guess you just needed to RAGE on something. Hope that helped.
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.03.16 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Tian Nu on 16/03/2010 18:14:12
Originally by: Sigaar
Originally by: Tian Nu Rattle have enough slots to fit everything. Its silly to NOT fit it when you can (if not going for afk version ofc).
-->> I NEVER WROTE THIS BUT THE GUY QUOTE ME WTF Seeing that you cant read i dont expect you to help me or anyone for that matter.
Quote: If you can't understend that you fit will be perfect on Golem i can't help
I cant understEnd indeed. Great logic: if one ship can use torps better then others lets not fit torps on anything else. Do you seriously expect to help someone with this sort of logic?
Quote: If you don't understend (aparantly you cant use T2 sentry's) that all DPS of rattle is in drones i can't help
If you are lazy enough to aim your missiles then yes. No one argued that. I was referring to another post and speaking about Rattle in general, not just AFK version, most people understood that except for you. I guess you just needed to RAGE on something. Hope that helped.
dear sir now i know you are goon cos only goon can be this dumb.
PS. don't quot fake :
Originally by: Sigaar
Originally by: Tian Nu Rattle have enough slots to fit everything. Its silly to NOT fit it when you can (if not going for afk version ofc).
Seeing that you cant read i dont expect you to help me or anyone for that matter.
I never wrote that! so when you quot don't add you own dumb words to me.
Ty.
PS 2 . you never used rattle and probably never will.
now go troll you self to bad i don't know how to block ppl on forum cos you sir are the goon's finest
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Sandeep
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Posted - 2010.03.16 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey As far as I recall FOF missiles will not shoot unless you are being shot at. Unsure how someone stealing loot effects FOF.
FOF shoots at targets that have your name in their aggro timer. FOF missiles will shoot thieves only if you are in NPC corp. If you are in PC corp, your corp name ends up in the thief's timer, not you.
What is this time flux thing? |
Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2010.03.16 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey Trade Girly said ôNot really. They do the ~same dps.ö Raw DPS is the same but effective DPS is less on the Domi. Looking at drones only my 1000dps tanked Rattlesnake hvy drones will often kill the target before standard fit Domi hvy drones have even got into range.
Thus why most mission blitzing Domis use rig-modified sentries so drone travel time is irrelevant.
The Domi is a monster with dual damage bonuses. The Rattlesnake is safer, more malleable (than the Domi? Thats saying something), and I'd say more fun, but anyone who says one of these ships is straight-up better than the other is just picking the one they prefer.
So, as is always the case when these "which is the best at doing missions?!" threads come up, it really comes down to the area where you're doing missions. If the opposition is primarily weak to kin/therm, the Domi will be uncontested. If the opposition has more varied resist types that wear away the effectiveness of the rail Domi, other ships will gain ground.
Coming from someone who flies both ships, I love 'em both, and absolutely maximizing ISK/hr would probably involve a combination of the two (along with an Ishtar for those really speedy get-in-and-kill-5-rats missions).
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.03.16 23:20:00 -
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this thread is silly.
and if you want afk I'd take whichever one tanks more and fits 3 omnis. which looks like the rattle snake.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.03.17 07:36:00 -
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Tulisin Dragonflame said " Thus why most mission blitzing Domis use rig-modified sentries so drone travel time is irrelevant." I found for many missions that was slower so I stopped using sentries. I like the opting of flying to the gates as you kill then jumping though.
A domi might have 538 DPS with Sentries and a Rattle has 518 DPS. I feel that 20dps loss is more than made up by the extra mid slot modules that boost drone damage. So yes raw DPS is lower with the rattlensake but effective DPS is higher. 518 DPS with lots of drone supporting modules is better than 538DPS and less support modules. The Domi is not uncontested. A lot of people forget to factor in effective DPS over raw DPS.
Another way to put it a.
Domi has raw dps of 538 but hits for 500dps effective. Rattlensake has a raw dps of 518 but hits for 528dps effective.
Or something along those lines.
______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.03.17 08:42:00 -
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luckily you don't have to move in most missions, and easy to refit for something like the score.
but yes sentry range can be an issue in some missions. but 50km is pretty much the worst case for npc orbit and 3 omnis + garde IIs hits that just fine
although there is the issue of spawn range. if only there was a shoot closest option in the drone window
on my afk ishtar I usually just end up dropping Warden IIs, as they will hit any bc/bs, have some issues with closer orbiting cruisers, so recall and drop some hammerIIs after a while.
been meaning to put a 3 omni ishtar together so I could use garde IIs, ah well.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.03.17 09:54:00 -
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Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 17/03/2010 10:05:45 afk use domi.
Rattlesnake is for those that like to be kool and show off thier ship. It also throughly pwns lvl 4's with multiple tp and odtl.
Choose your own res. Fit ab and heavy cap booster instead of caprech for moving around and stuff. Also, gl trying to gank this.
[ARMOR SNAKE import 1] Damage Control II Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Republic Fleet Target Painter Republic Fleet Target Painter Republic Fleet Target Painter Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Siege Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II Drones_Active=Garde II,5 Drones_Inactive=Bouncer II,5 Drones_Inactive=Hobgoblin II,5 Drones_Inactive=Ogre II,5
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2010.03.17 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Domi has raw dps of 538 but hits for 500dps effective. Rattlensake has a raw dps of 518 but hits for 528dps effective.
Or something along those lines.
Effective DPS, by definition, can't be more than raw. Raw is what'd be delivered if there were absolutely no mitigating factors. I can see your point with the extra omni possibly making up for the lost DPS, but it is hard to say since the third Omni will be heavily penalized.
But, yes, the Domi is uncontested in missions "weak" to kin/therm. It gets six damage-bonused guns to the Rattlesnake's 4 unbonused launchers.
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2010.03.17 10:15:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Edited by: Psychotic Maniac on 17/03/2010 10:05:45 afk use domi.
Rattlesnake is for those that like to be kool and show off thier ship. It also throughly pwns lvl 4's with multiple tp and odtl.
Choose your own res. Fit ab and heavy cap booster instead of caprech for moving around and stuff. Also, gl trying to gank this.
[ARMOR SNAKE import 1] Damage Control II Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Dread Guristas Ballistic Control System Core X-Type Large Armor Repairer Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Republic Fleet Target Painter Republic Fleet Target Painter Republic Fleet Target Painter Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Siege Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Juggernaut Torpedo Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump II Drones_Active=Garde II,5 Drones_Inactive=Bouncer II,5 Drones_Inactive=Hobgoblin II,5 Drones_Inactive=Ogre II,5
GL trying to gank it? It has absolutely nothing for buffer mods and a bucket of expensive stuff.
There are ways to make the Rattlesnake a real hassle to gank (it gets over 300,000 EHP with a tech2 buffer fit alone), but this is not one of them. Your fit? I don't think you realize how cheap gank battleships are, even one of those higher-end modules dropping would pay for the entire operation a few times over, not to mention the priceless lulz.
I'm not saying you're going to be ganked, I'm saying don't delude yourself, that Rattler is more vulnerable than most.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.17 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tippia on 17/03/2010 11:48:41
Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Effective DPS, by definition, can't be more than raw.
Yes it can – the tracking formula and hit quality calculations take care of that. Effective average DPS caps out at ~1.025+raw damage (which, for 518 raw equates to ~530 effective), but that's assuming you're only looking at tracking weapons – in this case the drones – obviously. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.03.17 12:45:00 -
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Tulisin Dragonflame said ôEffective DPS, by definition, can't be more than raw. Raw is what'd be delivered if there were absolutely no mitigating factors. I can see your point with the extra omni possibly making up for the lost DPS, but it is hard to say since the third Omni will be heavily penalized.ö I made a silly typo, edited my post to put in the correct numbers. ItÆs not just an extra omni you also have the space for two targeting painters as you no longer need those drone nav mods. Those two target painters also boost missile damage. Or you could go for a 4th Omni but I think x2 target painters would be better.
A 3rd navy Onni boosts my Gardes range from 36,518.3 to 44,127.59. Tracking is more noticeable from 0.05478 to 0.06259. now add that benefit with two target painters and I have gained more than 20dps putting my DPS effective DPS above the domi.
Tulisin Dragonflame said ôBut, yes, the Domi is uncontested in missions "weak" to kin/therm. It gets six damage-bonused guns to the Rattlesnake's 4 unbonused launchers.ö I am not sure itÆs that clear cut. It could still be less effective DPS. 6 guns and 2 sentry rigs. Surly that means you have PG problems or smaller guns and almost zero support modules as mids slots are on cap and low slots tanking. Not only that but your limiting your drone range to 60km and have little space for damage mods.
Compare a sentry drone Rattle setup to a Sentry drone Domi setup. You have more space for support mods, not PG problems or drone range problems with the Rattle.
I am pretty sure something like this would do more effective DPS then a domi.
[Rattlesnake, ] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Large Shield Extender II Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field (or standard T2) Target Painter II Target Painter II
Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor Black Eagle Drone Link Augmentor Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Inferno Rage Torpedo
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor II Large Core Defence Field Purger I [empty rig slot] X5 sentry drones
The Black Eagle are not really needed I just feel like they should be on. If the tank is to low pick either 1 target painter or 1 omni and replace with a single hardeners based on the rats you fight and replace the invul field with a rat single hardener.
______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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Eric Prince
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.03.17 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Eric Prince on 17/03/2010 16:33:44 Edited by: Eric Prince on 17/03/2010 16:31:57 The domi will win on dps. I'm not sure what mathz you are using but a domi can put out 900dps easy with 6 350's and garde II's. With my current drone skills, I can send them out to 54km with out an augmenter. Who want's to chase wrecks anyway. It will still tank 300dps. I'm not sure I can put out 900dps with a rattlesnake but I may put the eft worrior hat on tonight.
The rattlesnake will out tank the domi/navy domi any day of the week with out even trying. I use both for missioning. Rattlesnake to tank, and domi to gank.
To answer the OP's question, I think the rattlesnake would fit his needs better. In God we trust, all others pay cash. |
Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2010.03.17 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 17/03/2010 19:22:04 Eric Prince said "The domi will win on dps. I'm not sure what mathz you are using but a domi can put out 900dps easy with 6 350's and garde II's." The Domi does not out DPS the Rattle from what I have seen. Effective DPS is what matters and effective DPS the Domi does less. If you want to run missions as fast as possible the Rattlesnake is the faster ship. If you are talking about a 300dps tank the Rattlesnake can easily hit over 1000dps without factoring in damage implants.
The only reason to use a Domi is due to less skills needed or the cheaper price. ______ How to Passive Shield Tank T2
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RaVeN Revenge
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Posted - 2010.03.17 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Trygonus If I wanted to just do some afk lvl 4 missions in high sec, is there any real benefit of using the Rattlesnake over the Dominix?
I dont think you should AFK a Rattlesnake , EVER . But if you do , it should kill and tank better than a Domi for a longer period of time.
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Tulisin Dragonflame
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Posted - 2010.03.18 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
I am pretty sure something like this would do more effective DPS then a domi. <All-SPR Fit>
I'm a drone and passive shield fan too, but you can't claim that a no-damage-mod fit is going to best a modded Domi in killing power. No matter how many drone modules you squeeze on, the Rattlesnake needs to effectively employ its missiles to do competitive damage.
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Psychotic Maniac
Caldari Head Shrinkers
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Posted - 2010.03.18 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tulisin Dragonflame Edited by: Tulisin Dragonflame on 18/03/2010 04:27:27
Originally by: Pottsey
I am pretty sure something like this would do more effective DPS then a domi. <All-SPR Fit>
I'm a drone and passive shield fan too, but you can't claim that a no-damage-mod fit is going to best a modded Domi in killing power. No matter how many drone modules you squeeze on, the Rattlesnake needs to effectively employ its missiles to do competitive damage.
The Rattlesnake is great, but it is not a ganky balls-to-the-wall mission burner.
You may have heard this statement somewhere? girlfriend or wife, maybe. "YOU DOIN IT WRONG"
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