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LarcatOfRens
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Posted - 2010.03.10 03:15:00 -
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Why? Something the equivalent of a bigass Cane would be nifty. Is it possible to fly any of them that way at all? Mael is a pig, and phoon doesn't have the mids to do it really effectively on paper. Tempest isn't as fast as the typhoon. Whats the deal?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.03.10 03:20:00 -
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cane has 4 mids, phoon has 4 mids. where is this shortage?
or do you want a macha
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Poses
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Posted - 2010.03.10 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Poses on 10/03/2010 03:22:41 macharel vOv
(also: whats wrong with this?)
[Tempest, gank] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Disruptor II 100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L 800mm Repeating Artillery II, Republic Fleet EMP L
Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Valkyrie II x5
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EChaos
Gallente Damage Distribution Incorporated Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.03.10 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: EChaos on 10/03/2010 20:38:59
Originally by: Poses Edited by: Poses on 10/03/2010 03:22:41 macharel vOv
(also: whats wrong with this?)
[Tempest, gank] ...nice fit...
/me wants meh setup back plz
fake edit: dual neuts ftw
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion
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Posted - 2010.03.10 20:55:00 -
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Actually I used to shield tank my phoon until I developed semi-decent armor tanking skills, then I changed.
But you can do it. I have an EFT-warrior fit for a fleet phoon with a 1.1k shield omni tank (of course it costs like 3 billion ISK, but hey, in EFT ISK is no object). --Vel
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.10 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: LarcatOfRens Why? Something the equivalent of a bigass Cane would be nifty. Is it possible to fly any of them that way at all? Mael is a pig, and phoon doesn't have the mids to do it really effectively on paper. Tempest isn't as fast as the typhoon. Whats the deal?
I think your issue is with T1 battleships in general. They are only agile or fast relative to each other, and glacial compared to most everything else in the game. The Maelstrom can shield buffer fairly well at the expense of tackle (the Raven has the same problem, I hear), but it just frustrates people too much to ignore one of the bonuses.
If you're looking for something fast, agile, and shield buffered at the BS level, the Mach is pretty much your only bet.
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Liang Nuren
The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.10 21:38:00 -
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If I were gonna do it, I'd do it with a Pest or maybe a Phoon. It's not much more EHP than a Cane, but it's a lot more damage and/or utility.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
LarcatOfRens
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Posted - 2010.03.12 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: LarcatOfRens on 12/03/2010 22:31:10 My thanks to everyone for the good replies!
Originally by: Liang Nuren If I were gonna do it, I'd do it with a Pest or maybe a Phoon. It's not much more EHP than a Cane, but it's a lot more damage and/or utility.
-Liang
Bolded the part which makes it uninteresting to me. The extra damage is questionable depending on what is attacking you. Utility I'm not going to argue with. If the phoon had + 1 mid, -1 low imho it would start to make sense, but with only 4 mids I just don't see much of a reason not to just fly a cane. The speed/agility of the cane is just too yummy.
Macharial makes me happy in my special place, but I don't anticipate I would ever be in a position to fly one into pvp. I prefer "don't fly what you can't afford to lose mindlessly" to "don't fly what you can't afford to lose", and I don't ever see the mach conforming to that rubric.
Pest just isn't quick enough on paper to make any of this make sense.
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King Rothgar
Violent By Design Rough Necks
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Posted - 2010.03.12 22:41:00 -
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The maelstrom can easily break 150k EHP without implants with a simple shield buffer. That's more than an unslaved abaddon. Though you won't have a point with such a setup, with a point you'll be around 130k EHP.
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LarcatOfRens
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Posted - 2010.03.12 22:51:00 -
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Edited by: LarcatOfRens on 12/03/2010 22:51:53
Originally by: King Rothgar The maelstrom can easily break 150k EHP without implants with a simple shield buffer. That's more than an unslaved abaddon. Though you won't have a point with such a setup, with a point you'll be around 130k EHP.
By "shield buffer minnie BS" I mean something that is BS sized but flies with a similar style to a shield buffered Cane. I.E absolutely faster than ships in the same class, around as fast as armor buffered ships a class lower (in this case, I would be expecting the hypothetical minnie BS to have something like 65-70k HP shield buffered and be about as fast/agile as a triple trimarked 1600 plated Harbinger). The shield buffered cane is about as fast/agile as a 1600 plated Rax, and has about 45k hp. If you enjoy this style of flying, the only BS sized ship which I can see that currently supports it is the Mach, which is faction and $$$. Mael is way too non-agile/slow to fly in this style.
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Kazang
Wrecking Shots
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Posted - 2010.03.13 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: LarcatOfRens Edited by: LarcatOfRens on 12/03/2010 22:51:53
Originally by: King Rothgar The maelstrom can easily break 150k EHP without implants with a simple shield buffer. That's more than an unslaved abaddon. Though you won't have a point with such a setup, with a point you'll be around 130k EHP.
By "shield buffer minnie BS" I mean something that is BS sized but flies with a similar style to a shield buffered Cane. I.E absolutely faster than ships in the same class, around as fast as armor buffered ships a class lower (in this case, I would be expecting the hypothetical minnie BS to have something like 65-70k HP shield buffered and be about as fast/agile as a triple trimarked 1600 plated Harbinger). The shield buffered cane is about as fast/agile as a 1600 plated Rax, and has about 45k hp. If you enjoy this style of flying, the only BS sized ship which I can see that currently supports it is the Mach, which is faction and $$$. Mael is way too non-agile/slow to fly in this style.
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The tempest fit posted above is exactly what you are looking for, it's just a BS sized hurricane.
Kazang
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Liang Nuren
The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.13 04:26:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 13/03/2010 04:28:03 What is the nano pest fit you're looking at? As I see it, it's trivial to get a nano pest that is faster (in all respects) than a plated Harby and has 75K HP. If you're willing to drop 10K HP you can even have a web.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
LarcatOfRens
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Posted - 2010.03.13 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 13/03/2010 04:28:03 What is the nano pest fit you're looking at? As I see it, it's trivial to get a nano pest that is faster (in all respects) than a plated Harby and has 75K HP. If you're willing to drop 10K HP you can even have a web.
-Liang
I'll go back and EFT ***** a little bit. I ran the numbers about a month ago and all I remember was thinking "meh". May have been because of align time though.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2010.03.13 20:59:00 -
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Originally by: LarcatOfRens Why? Something the equivalent of a bigass Cane would be nifty. Is it possible to fly any of them that way at all? Mael is a pig, and phoon doesn't have the mids to do it really effectively on paper. Tempest isn't as fast as the typhoon. Whats the deal?
I was hoping CCP would do it for the Tempest, but all the whiners just got their run of the mill avarage Mega clone
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