why anybody should care about 10-man BC gang being dropped by super-puper-cap-fleet? You organized gang, you went for fights, you got it. I would care about ganking solo pilot (miner, ratter, mission runner, traveler) by this 10-man BC gang instead. Which happens a lot more often.....

You organized gang, you went for fights, you got it.

I think CCP is on the way to nerf the supa.

While we are on the subject, surely a Dread is small enough to use gates to get into 0.7 systems to POS bash, it is only the size of a Freighter after all.

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Also, as to the topic of thread. I get this feeling that you feel abuse and the poor oh little pirates of lowsec can't have anymore fun cause the big bad supers come in with an "i win" button.

Eve isn't easy. Let's keep it that way.

There is always a counter to any fight.

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"250 Hellcats inbound sir! They have us outmanned and outgunned. What are we going to do?" "catnip of course......."

The tec II drake, with citadel torps looks cool, but I'm thinking tec II raven, with more citadel torps, cov ops cloak and a huge bomb launcher, with bombs eight times a destructive area and power.

A small squad of these should be enough to cause mass log-off, within the ranks of the supa pilots, and arty hurricanes would have to be deployed to insta-pop them.

But then, what would be the point in getting a supa

A halfway-competent/halfway-awake solo pilot can easily avoid/escape the 10-man BC gang, and if he's in the right ship, and the gang gets stupid, and maybe with a little bit of luck, then he might take one or two of them out, and get a great fight out of it, win or lose.

The 10-man BC gang can likewise escape the mom-drop with a bit of luck and/or insufficient support for the mom-gang--IE, not enough fast tackle--but the latter are essentially impossible to kill in empire, even if the pilots are stupid about it.

See the difference, Comrade?

One is the possibility of good PvP. The other is just ego-fluffing that just sucks the fun out of everything, kinda like what being in a nullsec alliance is like

Your 10 man bc gang ganking a solo miner/ratter/missioner/traveler is "good pvp."
Your 10 man bc gang getting ganked via hotdrop is "just ego-fluffing."

If you win by blobing, "it's good pvp."
If you're on the wrong side of the blob, it's "just ego-fluffing."

Grow some balls. Your throwaway bc is cheaper than both those miners and mission runners you gank, and the hotdrop that ganks you. Go back to single player game if you want to win all the time.

Your 10 man bc gang ganking a solo miner/ratter/missioner/traveler is "good pvp."
Your 10 man bc gang getting ganked via hotdrop is "just ego-fluffing."

If you win by blobing, "it's good pvp."
If you're on the wrong side of the blob, it's "just ego-fluffing."

Grow some balls. Your throwaway bc is cheaper than both those miners and mission runners you gank, and the hotdrop that ganks you. Go back to single player game if you want to win all the time.

My answer to this is simply buff Dreadnoughts. Already mentioned by several others on several other threads.
Just repeating.

It is quite hard to understand the rationale here.

Supercarriers cannot be built anywhere but sov null so why on earth are they allowed in Empire?

If they are allowed in Empire then the facilities to build them in Empire should exist.

If not then they should stay in null - same with titans too, a titan bridge into Empire is ridiculously overpowered.

NB - low-sec IS Empire for the terminally confused.

The tec II drake, with citadel torps looks cool, but I'm thinking tec II raven, with more citadel torps, cov ops cloak and a huge bomb launcher, with bombs eight times a destructive area and power.

A small squad of these should be enough to cause mass log-off, within the ranks of the supa pilots, and arty hurricanes would have to be deployed to insta-pop them.

But then, what would be the point in getting a supa

Next lets have Concord in ALL of Empire, because it is empire right? The NPC should be able to police it the same way they police highsec, amirite?

Oh, for...!

All these slippery slope-riding straw-men in this thread: They burn, they buuuuurrrrn...!

A single, grossly-overpowered hull being brought into some kind of balance vis-a-vis non-super-blob PvP--read, everywhere else in the game that isn't sov zerosec--is not even remotely the same as pussifying lowsec in general, the two have nothing intrinsic to do with each other, and one does not in any way, shape, or form, imply the other!

FFS, man....

Learn how to argue, then come talk to me.

Next lets have Concord in ALL of Empire, because it is empire right? The NPC should be able to police it the same way they police highsec, amirite?

If even an unescorted SC gets jumped in lowsec, then all he really has to do is pull a logoffski, and 99.9% of the time, that 15 minutes won't be anywhere near long enough to kill him (ca. 36mn EHP for a pimped-out Nyx according to EFT, I misremember the exact number.).

Sounds like easy-mode to me.

other side: small frigate with cloak. is enters system, gets off a gates or station. puts on cloak.
then you can force thousands of Eve players to fight this small frigate. but you can't do anything about it.

And you can't do anything about pilot docked in station (yet, hehe).

So why you focus on SCs? I would care more about cloakers.

Would it make a difference if it was 100 hurricanes dropped on the 15 man gang instead of a few token supercarriers? This is EVE, R A P E happens, just like 1 or 2 guys being caught by the 15 man gang. There are going to be groups that are more organized and possess superior firepower. The only reason people are pissy about SCs now is because certain groups are turning them out like hotcakes and dropping em on everything. There isn't anything wrong with the ships themselves, its a 20 bil ship so it shouldnt be utter shat like it used to be. But they have become much easier to acquire than they used to be. TBH they should just try to increase the costs of making an SC to equal that of say a titan and make a titan even more ridonkculously expensive, then there would be less individuals with personal solopwnmobiles.

Even if the SC pilot fucks up, he is still essentially un-killable by anything but another SC-blob, which, unless I'm very much mistaken, runs diametrically opposite to what this whole game's core ethos is supposed to be: No rewards/power without risk, greater rewards and power = greater risk.

The cloaky can't be stupid about it, and knows it, or should.

The stupid SC pilot knows being stupid won't hurt him, in any practical terms, and he can immediately cancel out all the risks that every other pilot cannot, just by hitting "CTRL-Q."

If you haven't figured out the way to kill (in your scenario) a solo supercarrier, you are bad at this game.

And if you don't have access to SCs of your own, then what? Most small-to-midsize losec PvP corps don't, that I can see.

2x heavy neut tempests. You can take down a super in under 15 minutes with as few as 20 of them. If he logoffskis, and is truly solo, it gets even easier because you can bring in dreads and he'll drop like a rock. The only reason you should be complaining about supers is when you get 25+ on grid, because the node just ***** itself as soon as FBs pop out and every module activation gets "Maybe" amended to it.