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Anna Djan
Banana Corp
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:40:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:Please make it so that disconnecting in the arena doesn't make the ship explode. I can't see the harm in just making the ship stay there as if it's pointed/in a bubble (no emergency warp) and give the pilot a chance to reconnect. It's already very unlucky to have a pilot disconnect - there's no reason to make it worse by blowing his ship right there on the spot.
I agree. A team losing due to a disconnect is not a tourny, it's a game of chance. |
Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
179
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:53:00 -
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If you change it, what will you say to shadow cartel (who arguably lost pretty much because of this)?
Surely the change should go into effect only after the qualifier stages to assure everyone qualifies on equal terms. The Order of the Falcon or Hin +ˇslenska f+ílkaor+¦a is a national Order of Iceland |
Helen Connor
Warriors tribe DarkSide.
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:56:00 -
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I support this. I'm bad enough at flying internet spaceships even when my connection works properly, don't want to look even more bad in case some drunk bear will chew the internet cable somewhere in the forest! |
Crellion
Parental Control
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:07:00 -
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Have lost a match due to Logi disconnecting at the very start (AT3 -V- team probably). Very frustrating experience. Support this change. |
Quorthon Seth
Monks of War DarkSide.
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:51:00 -
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Support this! |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
535
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:11:00 -
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Ottersmacker wrote:If you change it, what will you say to Shadow Cartel (who arguably lost pretty much because of this)?
Surely the change should go into effect only after the qualifier stages to assure everyone qualifies on equal terms. The Shadow Cartel pilot did not log back in until the match was completed, so it wouldn't have mattered in that case what we did.
The most I'll do at this point is give Sreegs the ability to activate the bubble manually before the match begins for when there's a gap in time before match start after the teams are on grid. There's still the possibility then that the ship will disappear as they won't have any aggression on them at this point. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
57
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:16:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:The most I'll do at this point is give Sreegs the ability to activate the bubble manually before the match begins for when there's a gap in time before match start after the teams are on grid. There's still the possibility then that the ship will disappear as they won't have any aggression on them at this point.
Doesn't the bubble give you aggro upon disconnecting? I haven't gatecamped in a while.
Either way, the team could aggro themselves at the beacon prior to warping in |
W0wbagger
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.07.02 14:37:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:Ottersmacker wrote:If you change it, what will you say to Shadow Cartel (who arguably lost pretty much because of this)?
Surely the change should go into effect only after the qualifier stages to assure everyone qualifies on equal terms. The Shadow Cartel pilot did not log back in until the match was completed, so it wouldn't have mattered in that case what we did. The most I'll do at this point is give Sreegs the ability to activate the bubble manually before the match begins for when there's a gap in time before match start after the teams are on grid. There's still the possibility then that the ship will disappear as they won't have any aggression on them at this point.
He didnt try to log in until the end as we were under the impression that the rules stated that he wouldn't be in his ship and wouldnt be able to participate, do you mean to say if hed have logged back in be could have fought? That's a little bit frustrating for us! Feeling fairly hard done by... Saying it wouldnt have mattered anyway due to X is hardly solid! |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
537
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Posted - 2012.07.02 14:52:00 -
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Sorry, I misspoke. The rule would have applied as stated:
The Law wrote:If a player warps out/leaves the arena, his/her ship will be destroyed. This includes disconnection emergency warps. At the end of the day, there currently exists a window where disconnection will cause an ewarp. This was held consistent for all matches in the first week.
I'm going to investigate ways we can make that window smaller. If a clean method comes from that, it will be implemented for Week 2.
I truly hope no one else disconnects during the rest of the tourney. It's a ****** thing to have happen during a match but there's not much we can do about it in the moment =/ CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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W0wbagger
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
8
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Posted - 2012.07.02 15:19:00 -
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So to confirm, if you DC when the bubble is up from now on, you will be allowed to reconnect as you havent warped? So we were even more unlucky as if he had DCd a bit later the bubble would have been up? :-(
Thanks for the transparency anyway Veritas and yep we hope it doesn't happen to anyone else :-) wouldn't even wish it on our opponents! |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
538
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Posted - 2012.07.02 15:26:00 -
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That is correct. If you disconnect but the ewarp is caught by the bubble, the player will be able to log back in and continue the match. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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Liatta Voltair
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
0
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Posted - 2012.07.02 16:27:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:That is correct. If you disconnect but the ewarp is caught by the bubble, the player will be able to log back in and continue the match.
If this was also meant to be the case for the first round then surely we kind of got screwed by the dev not putting the bubble up? |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
538
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Posted - 2012.07.02 16:33:00 -
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As I covered earlier, at present the bubble is put up when the match begins. As the effected player disconnected before the match began, their ewarp was not caught by the bubble. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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Corine Noas
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
5
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Posted - 2012.07.02 16:44:00 -
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Is it legit to ask for a countdown stop if you see a team member disconnecting? Or as soon as it started there's no recount option? |
Asakura Manji
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.07.02 17:14:00 -
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If you watch the match, his e-warp doesn't start until 12 seconds into the match. For those 12 seconds he's sitting with 0 velocity. Surely he would have been stopped by the bubble if there was one up? |
IceGuerilla
Poseidon's Wingmen Perihelion Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.07.02 17:31:00 -
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What happens in the crazy hypothetical scenario that someone fits an Interdiction Nullifier to their Tech 3 ship? |
DeadNite
Focused Annihilation Detrimental Imperative
6
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:00:00 -
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IceGuerilla wrote:What happens in the crazy hypothetical scenario that someone fits an Interdiction Nullifier to their Tech 3 ship?
Then not only are they giving up precious slots but also giving up the ability for the one thing that can save them, during a D/C, from working.
TL:DR - They are screwed, Stuff happens. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
519
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:25:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:As I covered earlier, at present the bubble is put up when the match begins. As the effected player disconnected before the match began, their ewarp was not caught by the bubble.
Bad luck for them then ((
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michael boltonIII
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
230
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:38:00 -
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Asakura Manji wrote:If you watch the match, his e-warp doesn't start until 12 seconds into the match. For those 12 seconds he's sitting with 0 velocity. Surely he would have been stopped by the bubble if there was one up?
E-warp ignores bubbles. He logged out while unaggressed, so 1 minute later he was going to warp come hell or high water. If he was aggressed they could have kept shooting him to extend his timer, but you cannot extend the timer of a pilot who has already logged out while unaggressed. |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
539
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:41:00 -
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The rules around ewarp are strange, and the code even stranger.
The warp bubble being activated is an automatic process, for anyone who's thinking this was referee error. So the good news is, if it's broken in some way, it was broken for everyone.
In any case, the rule is ships that ewarp out go boom. Sucks but that's what happened.
Now, the good news. As I was looking through the code wrapping my head around the sequence of events, I found a very simple switch I can pull that kills all emergency warps in the tournament system. Very similar to the way I killed the entrance-warp when y'all get moved into system.
The downside to that is that disconnects pre-match will be much less noticeable from our end. Worth the trade off? CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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IceGuerilla
Poseidon's Wingmen Perihelion Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:44:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:Worth the trade off?
Absolutely.
Of course, when a disconnected ship fails to fire and remains motionless, our dauntless commentators will notice and report this. |
Ishihiro tanaka
NED-Clan Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:53:00 -
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It's definitely worth the trade off, it gives the player a second chance in competing. If he doesn't log back in on time, his ship will be blown up by the other team anyway. |
B'reanna
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.07.02 21:06:00 -
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yea its worth the trade off. if you want to have your cake an eat it too. you can have the gms go back to being in fleet and if they see some one leave fleet once theyve been moved its probably a disconnect. |
Zastrow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.07.02 21:29:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:The rules around ewarp are strange, and the code even stranger.
The warp bubble being activated is an automatic process, for anyone who's thinking this was referee error. So the good news is, if it's broken in some way, it was broken for everyone.
In any case, the rule is ships that ewarp out go boom. Sucks but that's what happened.
Now, the good news. As I was looking through the code wrapping my head around the sequence of events, I found a very simple switch I can pull that kills all emergency warps in the tournament system. Very similar to the way I killed the entrance-warp when y'all get moved into system.
The downside to that is that disconnects pre-match will be much less noticeable from our end. Worth the trade off?
Well, neither raivi or I caught the disconnect pre-match anyways, even with an e-warp. |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
539
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Posted - 2012.07.02 21:38:00 -
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You guys are superstars. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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Zastrow
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.07.02 21:41:00 -
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The finest crew in starfleet |
Daneel Trevize
The Scope Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2012.07.02 22:02:00 -
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If he didn't log back in until after the match, why explode his ship, he's just on an empty grid and needs moving home, no? AKA why not reimburse it and any lost SP (assuming you haven't)?
Unless you fear some team pulling a logoffski to try save a flagship before the match starts or something like that??? |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
539
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Posted - 2012.07.02 22:18:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:The Law wrote:If a player warps out/leaves the arena, his/her ship will be destroyed. This includes disconnection emergency warps. CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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W0wbagger
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2012.07.02 22:32:00 -
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We don't care about reimbursement for the ship or SP but it's pretty clear the mechanics have been changed (for the better) as a result of what happened to us in the fight. We'd be moaning about a rematch but it's not exactly fair on Tribal Conclave who were good sports and did nothing wrong and any other arrangement (say a rematch where Tribal keep their points) would no doubt become unfair to everyone else in the tournament and set a precedent.
At the end of the day kudos to CCP for fixing this issue, just kind of happened a bit late for us. We got some points at least so we'll try and qualify regardless.
Will stop filling up the forums with butthurt now, cheers to Veritas for the responses. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
92
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Posted - 2012.07.02 23:14:00 -
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W0wbagger wrote:We don't care about reimbursement for the ship or SP but it's pretty clear the mechanics have been changed (for the better) as a result of what happened to us in the fight. We'd be moaning about a rematch but it's not exactly fair on Tribal Conclave who were good sports and did nothing wrong and any other arrangement (say a rematch where Tribal keep their points) would no doubt become unfair to everyone else in the tournament and set a precedent.
At the end of the day kudos to CCP for fixing this issue, just kind of happened a bit late for us. We got some points at least so we'll try and qualify regardless.
Will stop filling up the forums with butthurt now, cheers to Veritas for the responses.
Curses, i had a twenty two paragraph flamefest all ready to be released and he has to go be all reasonable about it
Seriously though thanks to the devs for being so open on this issue, hopefully we'll still be able to progress in the AT regardless. |
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