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Rylie Gayle
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Posted - 2010.03.07 03:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rylie Gayle on 07/03/2010 03:46:12 I posted a while back saying I've been trying to figure out a way to continue my schooling.
I was going to University of Kentucky for electrical engineering, and have about a year and a half left. However; got married... had a baby, and now have a job of which I work pretty much all the time.
Unable to attend class in class. Only option left at this point is online.
I honestly have never trusted online schools, DeVry, U of P online etc, their all for profit corporations. I know all schools want to make money, but thats the main goal of schools like that it seems. Doing a bit of research DeVry has a fairly good Electronics Engineering. From what I've read its the only thing DeVry offers thats actually somewhat highly regarded.
However, I went in the search for actual colleges with online programs and found Penn State's world campus. It doesnt have any bachelor engineering programs. It does have Information and Computer Science BS.
So I'm lookin for opinions... DeVry University of New York Degree in Electronics Engineering Technology Devry University of New York Degree in Computer Engineering Technology or Penn State University Degree of Computer and Information Science??
Edit: Btw Neither would be declared as Online or anything difference than in class obtained one would. They would be about the same price, Penn State may be slightly more.
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Alex V0X2
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.07 04:03:00 -
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Edited by: Alex V0X2 on 07/03/2010 04:03:51 Confirming that EvE Forums are not the best way/place to seek serious life related advice.
Best of luck in whatever you do though! :)
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.03.07 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rylie Gayle Edited by: Rylie Gayle on 07/03/2010 03:46:12 I posted a while back saying I've been trying to figure out a way to continue my schooling.
I was going to University of Kentucky for electrical engineering, and have about a year and a half left. However; got married... had a baby, and now have a job of which I work pretty much all the time.
Unable to attend class in class. Only option left at this point is online.
I honestly have never trusted online schools, DeVry, U of P online etc, their all for profit corporations. I know all schools want to make money, but thats the main goal of schools like that it seems. Doing a bit of research DeVry has a fairly good Electronics Engineering. From what I've read its the only thing DeVry offers thats actually somewhat highly regarded.
However, I went in the search for actual colleges with online programs and found Penn State's world campus. It doesnt have any bachelor engineering programs. It does have Information and Computer Science BS.
So I'm lookin for opinions... DeVry University of New York Degree in Electronics Engineering Technology Devry University of New York Degree in Computer Engineering Technology or Penn State University Degree of Computer and Information Science??
Edit: Btw Neither would be declared as Online or anything difference than in class obtained one would. They would be about the same price, Penn State may be slightly more.
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Originally by: Alex V0X2 Edited by: Alex V0X2 on 07/03/2010 04:03:51 Confirming that EvE Forums are not the best way/place to seek serious life related advice.
Best of luck in whatever you do though! :)
I guess I'm just proving your point here... -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Lithalnas
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.07 07:23:00 -
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Quote: DeVry University of New York Degree in Electronics Engineering Technology Devry University of New York Degree in Computer Engineering Technology
I guess its better than nothing, but they are not what you would call respectable engineering schools. Granted a lot of engineers use them to grind out some prereq classes and GE's but you really dont want a paper from Devry. Getting a real university paper is much better in all cases. -------------
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.03.07 07:48:00 -
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As the above poster suggested if you can get any prereqs met outside of a schools do so but I would suggest either saving up enough cash with your current job to go to school at some point in the future, or switching to a part time job and going to school, or a combination of any of the above.
Or if you know anyone in the field or prospective employers simply ask them how such a degree would be viewed. Perhaps if you were previously friendly with any of your professors or whatever. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Zelian Rage
New Eden Factory Pest Control Union
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Posted - 2010.03.07 19:28:00 -
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This is Rylie's other char.
To post above the above post. I agree, thats why I'm debating on DeVry or not. DeVry is known as a school for people like me that have a hard time going to school due to problems. Penn State is a very very reputable school. The online degree from Penn State would not be shown to be as an online degree it would simply be Computer Science from Penn State. It would not be engineering though. Its a completely different field, of which I am unsure of careers available. In engineering there will always be jobs somewhere. Computer Science, I have a feeling, is a pretty saturated and generalized job market.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.03.07 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 07/03/2010 19:56:35 Have to agree with others: without really knowing the ins and outs of your situation (which you should not post here) it's going to be pretty hard to get good advice.
So, I'm going to point you towards two RL places you should look into and get advice.
1) Most schools love to talk with students that haven't completed to try to help understand their situation and see what they can do to help that student get their degree. Call the appropriate office at U of K and arrange a sit down time with someonme familiar with helping folks in your situation. Even if they are unable to meet your needs, due to your RL, they can be a great resource for ideas and options.
2) Call one of your former profs at U of K. Preferrably a good, knowledgeable one. See if he'll sit down with you and talk about the two options you are considering. Get your hands on the curriculum from both (as detailed as possible - may take some calls). Bring that with you and see what he/she has to say about the quality.
TL/DR - You have resources and more options than you sound like you've admitted to yourself. Reexamine ALL options for completing your degree (hint: online ain't the only one). Do the leg work and talk to smarter people than spaceship video game players about your educational choices. Then talk with your wife.
Edit: btw - You don't sound like you have "problems". At least these aren't "problems" in my world. You made choices. Embrace the choice you made to get married and have a child and stop thinking of them as "problems" or you will, eventually, learn what a problem really is.
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Zelian Rage
New Eden Factory Pest Control Union
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Posted - 2010.03.07 19:59:00 -
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Btw:
The World Campus is one of Penn State's 25 campuses. Our students are Penn State students. Since you will be held to the same rigorous standards as Penn State students attending courses on campus, your transcript will look the same as any other Penn State student's transcript, and your diploma will look the same as any other Penn State student's diploma. There will be no indication that you studied online. "
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Zelian Rage
New Eden Factory Pest Control Union
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Posted - 2010.03.07 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Zelian Rage on 07/03/2010 20:07:12
Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 07/03/2010 19:56:35 Have to agree with others: without really knowing the ins and outs of your situation (which you should not post here) it's going to be pretty hard to get good advice.
So, I'm going to point you towards two RL places you should look into and get advice.
1) Most schools love to talk with students that haven't completed to try to help understand their situation and see what they can do to help that student get their degree. Call the appropriate office at U of K and arrange a sit down time with someonme familiar with helping folks in your situation. Even if they are unable to meet your needs, due to your RL, they can be a great resource for ideas and options.
2) Call one of your former profs at U of K. Preferrably a good, knowledgeable one. See if he'll sit down with you and talk about the two options you are considering. Get your hands on the curriculum from both (as detailed as possible - may take some calls). Bring that with you and see what he/she has to say about the quality.
TL/DR - You have resources and more options than you sound like you've admitted to yourself. Reexamine ALL options for completing your degree (hint: online ain't the only one). Do the leg work and talk to smarter people than spaceship video game players about your educational choices. Then talk with your wife.
Edit: btw - You don't sound like you have "problems". At least these aren't "problems" in my world. You made choices. Embrace the choice you made to get married and have a child and stop thinking of them as "problems" or you will, eventually, learn what a problem really is.
I didnt mean that they were problems :P I'm happy with the way everything went, I'm just trying to plan for the future and see none in the job I have now.
I can't really have a meeting with UK due to the fact that I'm not about 4 hrs away. Going there to study is no longer an option, they have alot of distance learning programs with community colleges that they do video streaming from their class rooms to but none are no where close. The closest one is almost equally as far.
I have spoken to some college profs and most of them did refer me to online programs, however they referred me to online programs within the state, like Eastern Kentucky University also has an online computer science degree, but honestly Penn State a much more highly regarded name. And if I can get a CS degree and a couple certificates, that might be enough to land me in a career that will allow me to continue my education. The place I'm at now pretty much wants you to be an obedient idiot, the union offers 'continued education' in the form of small engine repair and things like that...
Edit: And yea I do want to speak to someone in a field that I can get into but not sure who to speak to. Engineering wise I'm sure I could find someone, computer science wise, not so much.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.07 20:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ard UnjiiGo Edited by: Ard UnjiiGo on 07/03/2010 19:56:35 Have to agree with others: without really knowing the ins and outs of your situation (which you should not post here) it's going to be pretty hard to get good advice.
So, I'm going to point you towards two RL places you should look into and get advice.
1) Most schools love to talk with students that haven't completed to try to help understand their situation and see what they can do to help that student get their degree. Call the appropriate office at U of K and arrange a sit down time with someonme familiar with helping folks in your situation. Even if they are unable to meet your needs, due to your RL, they can be a great resource for ideas and options.
2) Call one of your former profs at U of K. Preferrably a good, knowledgeable one. See if he'll sit down with you and talk about the two options you are considering. Get your hands on the curriculum from both (as detailed as possible - may take some calls). Bring that with you and see what he/she has to say about the quality.
TL/DR - You have resources and more options than you sound like you've admitted to yourself. Reexamine ALL options for completing your degree (hint: online ain't the only one). Do the leg work and talk to smarter people than spaceship video game players about your educational choices. Then talk with your wife.
Edit: btw - You don't sound like you have "problems". At least these aren't "problems" in my world. You made choices. Embrace the choice you made to get married and have a child and stop thinking of them as "problems" or you will, eventually, learn what a problem really is.
This and a little to expand upon it.
Talk to your adviser/program director ASAP, or ex adviser if that is the case. They should easily allow you take take 1 or 2 classes a semester. They should be able to work with you in some way. It is a hard path, but many in your situation have done it before.
I doubt the program curriculum is so dynamic that it is impossible for a degree to be acceptable if received over an extended period of time. It may take a few extra years but better that then shoving money to one of those organizations without being sure it will really help get you where you want to be. Only; once you are 100% sure it will really help you get where you are trying to go, would I suggest committing to either of the three.
The following would be an extremely rare opportunity and not something many programs would allow, but it is not unheard of. For the following to occur you would need to be one of those rare students that shined in most of your professors eyes.
Depending on your schedule they may be able to get you into a position similar to a graduate assistant, where you give them 20 hours of your week and they cover your tuition, books, and, maybe provide a stipend. The final issue with this option is that it requires that you be a full time student. In other words you would need to take a minimum of 12 credit hours per semester plus the 20 hours labor at the expense of the professors which does not sound like it would jive with your situation.
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Ard UnjiiGo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2010.03.07 20:31:00 -
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What I think I'm hearing you say is that you'd prefer engineering but, for computer science, a better online program is available.
What I think I'm hearing you say is that it's very important to you that, whatever degree you get, you want the best chance possible of finding decent employment to suport your family and be able to continue your education after graduation with a Bachelors.
If I have this right, then this may be useful: Occupational Outlook Handbook
Glad to hear your wife and child aren't "problems".
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.07 22:57:00 -
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WHy ? why do you want to learn something and then compete whit thousand of ppl that have learned the same ting in order to get a job Signature removed, it needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist dude u get a ship in game named crow and my sig have crows |
Boots McKenzie
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Posted - 2010.03.08 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon WHy ? why do you want to learn something and then compete whit thousand of ppl that have learned the same ting in order to get a job
Troll fail
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.08 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Boots McKenzie Troll fail
are u sure about that ? Signature removed, it needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist dude u get a ship in game named crow and my sig have crows |
Wuff Wuff
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.08 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon WHy ? why do you want to learn something and then compete whit thousand of ppl that have learned the same ting in order to get a job
What kind of job does this not apply to these days?
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Simvastatin Montelukast
Qui dormit non peccat Arkai Confederation
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Posted - 2010.03.08 14:06:00 -
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I agree with what one other poster put on here. Go with the Penn State program.
I am currently going back to school as well, and ran into the same issue with Phoenix and Regents. I didn't like the way they were set up, and the negative (probably self-imposed) image associated with not going to a "real" college.
I am going through the Indiana State U's LPN to BSN program. Seems to be put together fairly well. Maybe it's the snobby side of me, but having a piece of paper that says Indiana State seems at least to have a better feel than one of the other schools.
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Kzintee
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.08 18:27:00 -
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I'm a CS grad by trade, done 6 years of coding at a SW/HW company (National Instruments). I've worked in groups that design and build computer-based signal acquisition/generation devices (like a PC-based scope, digital IO boards, digitizers, etc). As such, one of the things I can tell you is that we only employed engineers who had college degrees. The Devry/other associate eng degree graduates were used ONLY for technician roles (solder monkeys).
I'd even go as far as tell you that having NO degree is better than having a Devry degree. I know a few pretty good engineers who have not gone to college at all (or are going now). But the catch is that they're both 40+ and they're just now getting to the point a typical college grad arrives after 3 years of working.
I'm sure you'll be told of wonderful work opportunities that "Virginia Smith who got a degree from here last year" got, working at a multinational corporation for 100K/yr. What you don't know is that these results are not typical (she had a contact in the company, f*cked her way in, etc). Typical HR drone will look at your credentials first and if you can't get past that screening process...doesn't matter if you're ESR (who also happens not to hold an engineering degree but is a well known person in Open Source), you won't even get an interview.
Long story short: A real Bachelors degree is just a piece of paper, doesn't show anything about you, but it's a piece of paper that allows you to get a foot in the door. So don't get sold on these stupid associate degree 2 year programs that you'll pay a load of money for just to graduate and work for $15/hr for the next 10 years.
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Rylie Gayle
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Posted - 2010.03.08 19:48:00 -
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Did you have a hard time getting on there? I know times are different but just asking anyway.
Do you think a CS degree from Penn State would be looked upon well? It would be acheived online however its printed same as any other Penn state degree.
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MicroWarpdrive II
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:03:00 -
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how the **** did i end up here? i thought i was in c&p... ADIDA!!!!!!!
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Wuff Wuff What kind of job does this not apply to these days?
all jobs that cant be "duplicated/copy" by a Chinese Signature removed, it needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist dude u get a ship in game named crow and my sig have crows |
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Rylie Gayle
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Wuff Wuff What kind of job does this not apply to these days?
all jobs that cant be "duplicated/copy" by a Chinese
One more and your reported. For 1, racist remark. 2. "a Chinese"? 3rdly all jobs can be duplicated/copied.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.09 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rylie Gayle
Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Wuff Wuff What kind of job does this not apply to these days?
all jobs that cant be "duplicated/copy" by a Chinese
One more and your reported. For 1, racist remark. 2. "a Chinese"? 3rdly all jobs can be duplicated/copied.
talking about chinese is no racism chinese is not a race you should use xenophobia but seams u are bitter and dont have a clear mind in order to get a job duplicated/copied you need to make the said "job/thing" long enough so others can learn, in case of university is 4 years Signature removed, it needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist dude u get a ship in game named crow and my sig have crows |
MicroWarpdrive II
Empire Assault Corp Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2010.03.09 05:21:00 -
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IM GONNA REPORT U FOR REPORTING. THATS GRIEF TACTICS MAN
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Kzintee
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.09 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Rylie Gayle One more and your reported. For 1, racist remark. 2. "a Chinese"? 3rdly all jobs can be duplicated/copied.
Good luck keeping a job with a skin this thin...
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Rylie Gayle
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Posted - 2010.03.09 21:52:00 -
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Well I've decided to go with the Penn State CS degree. I'm also trying to transfer into the electrical department at work, will make lil bit more money, about another 10-15k a year. So any other comments? I'll see how it goes in about 3 years probably :P
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UVPhoenix2
Gallente Brotherhood of Heart and Steel Iron Heart Brotherhood
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Posted - 2010.03.10 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rylie Gayle Well I've decided to go with the Penn State CS degree. I'm also trying to transfer into the electrical department at work, will make lil bit more money, about another 10-15k a year. So any other comments? I'll see how it goes in about 3 years probably :P
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