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Kharanid
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Posted - 2010.03.04 11:17:00 -
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Up until now ive been running Gurista plexes in an Ishtar, and it works well enough.. But i was wondering if you can make a protues fit that does equally well, and at the same time can scan and warp cloaked?
Im ok with using faction stuff, but preferably only one or two deadspace mods.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.04 12:01:00 -
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Define "equally well"…
The only way to make a Proteus project more damage than the Ishtar is to go for a full blaster fit and thus lose a lot of time going from ship to ship. Any combination of rails and/or drones to overcome this problem will instead make it kill things slower, losing time that way.
On the other hand, the Proteus can speed and armour tank better than the Ishtar and, as you mention, warp cloaked and receive scanning bonuses. Note, however, that the cloaking subsystem means you lose out on additional turrets and drones, as well as bonuses to those weapon systems. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Paranon
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Posted - 2010.03.04 15:47:00 -
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The proteus and ishtar have similar abilities against guristas. Warping cloaked however would restrict you to the cov ops offensive subsystem, which isn't practical especially applying dps to rats.
I currently use: 666dps 1200tank vs guristas (as well as 600m/s)
[Proteus, Wormhole/Plex Non-Covert - Current] Medium Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Magnetic Field Stabilizer Medium Armor Repairer
Codebreaker I 10MN Afterburner Large Capacitor Battery II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I Salvager I Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Improved Cloaking Device II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector Proteus Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Ogre II x4 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x1 Hammerhead II x1 Hobgoblin II x2
Is it better than the ishtar? Debatable. Certainly probes better. Can apply more dps, however can only use 4 ogres compared to the ishtar with 5. For the majority of plexes, ishtar will be faster, for a select few plexes, proteus will be able to apply sufficient dps to kill the final spawn, ishtar will not.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.04 19:42:00 -
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As Tippia said, the Proteus cannot destroy rats as elegantly as an Ishtar. Though unfortunate, the fact of the matter is even railguns on a full Proteus setup reach less than Ishtar drone DPS at maximum drone operating range (about 50-60km.)
I personally have poured over setups and configurations for both the Proteus and the Tengu, and there is not a reasonable replacement for the Ishtar. The Ishtar is simply the best at what it does in that role.
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Randon Alt67
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Posted - 2010.03.04 19:44:00 -
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Unscanable Tengu.
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Ellspeth Murdron
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.04 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Randon Alt67 Unscanable Tengu.
Did you have a fit, or are you just saying things you see in local?
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Randon Alt67
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Posted - 2010.03.04 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Randon Alt67 on 04/03/2010 22:10:28
Originally by: Ellspeth Murdron
Originally by: Randon Alt67 Unscanable Tengu.
Did you have a fit, or are you just saying things you see in local?
Note I haev CC8 and CR8 cap implants. Runs for 20minutes with everything going, tanks 700+ DPS and can do more if you add active hardners or a second resist/boost. NEEDS the electronic subsystem to 5.
[Tengu, Unscannable] Gravimetric Backup Array II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
ECCM - Gravimetric II ECCM - Gravimetric II Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Target Painter II
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
There is also an unscanable Prot fit out there, but I don't fly it so I cannot comment on it other then you DO NOT want to use drones as those can be probed. Also Angels/Minm ships with target painters will make you probably since they boost your sig radius up over your scan res.
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Arec Bardwin
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Posted - 2010.03.04 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Randon Alt67
[Tengu, Unscannable]
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
You DO know that every launcher loaded with T2 fury increases your sig with 5.4%, right? Totalling 37% increased sig with 6 launchers.
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Randon Alt67
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Posted - 2010.03.05 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Arec Bardwin
Originally by: Randon Alt67
[Tengu, Unscannable]
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
You DO know that every launcher loaded with T2 fury increases your sig with 5.4%, right? Totalling 37% increased sig with 6 launchers.
Aww crap, my bad, should have been set to faction missiles, though I do keep furies around for when I know it is safe. I D-Scan like a mofo in lowsec when I am doing something.
Also note that if you are running a complex the complex can be scanned out where as a mission cannot be.
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Terick Calvantia
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Posted - 2010.03.05 19:20:00 -
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So, umm what about the wrecks you leave behind... cant those be scanned down?
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.05 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Terick Calvantia So, umm what about the wrecks you leave behind... cant those be scanned down?
No. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Randon Alt67
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Posted - 2010.03.05 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Terick Calvantia So, umm what about the wrecks you leave behind... cant those be scanned down?
No.
Can also use said Tengu/Prot to salvage the wrecks as well if you are into that sort of thing, requires a refit obviously, but they will not be able to scan you either.
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