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Scherezad
Hobgoblin Marketeers
76
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Posted - 2012.07.03 21:26:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Dilaro thagriin wrote:
Your people worship death, sacrificing the lives they are granted in this universe in the vain hope that they will be given a wondrous gift at the end, and not only do they do that to themselves, but believe that it is their place to force everyone else to do the same and to ansure that they can force this upon others they feel it is their right to poison people, beat them, purge any part of their own cultures from them, and worse.
You were in the Equilibrium of Mankind. Discuss?
Tiberious;
I have always admired your ability to distill the greatest depth of meaning into the smallest of passages. This is an excellent example of such. |

Jev North
Anshar Incorporated
67
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Posted - 2012.07.03 21:45:00 -
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It's a very elegant way to use a very cheap rhetorical device, yes. |

Dilaro thagriin
Cobalt Omega PMC
79
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Posted - 2012.07.04 00:24:00 -
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Yes Tiberious I was.
Though, look back at the words i used even then. I did not worship death, I simply wanted this cluster to burn, and through fire, be reborn.
That time in my life was a reaction, admittedly an extreme one, to the apparent death of my entire family. In time I realised that I was mistaken. I was also found by my brother albeit in a different form to that which i remember him having.
In fact, during that time, you and I conversed on this very forum more than once, is your upgraded cybernetic memory failing you already?
At no point did I state that I was seeking an eternal prize at the end of my time in the Seekers, Even then I knew my actions were those of a predator, a beast and little else. Should the cluster have been reborn there would have been no place for me.
Finally. You should speak with Boma or Koronakesh, as you seem to have a rather skewed view on what the EoM actually seek. To say they are death worshippers is entirely incorrect to say the least. I did not take you for one who would, even now, follow the teachings of the Theology Council. That said, as EoM are enemies of Nation, i can understand why you would, at least publicly, speak the way you do.
To think, you were once counted as an intellectual within the capsuleer community. to see you reduced to snide comments towards so many is, quite frankly, amusing as hell.
Oh... and one thing has not changed since my time with the Seekers, I will still be here when your master, and his whole nation, are nothing but dust and memories. |

Evelyn Meiyi
Meiyi Family Holdings
14
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Posted - 2012.07.04 01:24:00 -
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Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:Dear IGS,
five months ago I transferred 10.000 slaves from an agricultural complex of mine to a facility in Amarr. I had some plansGGveugenics and educationGGv, but no time to deal with them. Today I found them malnourished, chained to windows, sitting in their excrements etc. A very sad situation. They canGGVt take care of themselves.
Most of them are mongrels, but also some Ealurs, Intaki, and Udorians can be found. While physically strong and used to hard labour, intellectually theyGGVre lost. Anyhow, they can be very useful, just not for me. I have no records about their lineage, but the GG#Imperial Edict of EmancipationGG% doesnGGVt apply, since the slaves have Khanid papersGGvif requested I can do the paperwork prior to the transfer.
Fun fact: 10% of the stock has pedigree collapse of 25% in a single generation!
IGGVm not interested in a high price. I want them to get into good hands. Please contact me if interested.
Love, Odelya dGGVHanguest Exalted Cherry Blossom
P.S.: Anti-slavery forces and other heretics, and also organisations such as GG#People for the Ethical Treatment of SlavesGG% [PETS] are requested to stop themselves from commentingGGvor even attempting to buy.
I would be interested in acquiring some of your slaves. I am ashamed that they have been treated in such a horrific manner -- I will make every effort to repair whatever damage has been done.
Please let me know via link-mail how many you wish to sell and at what price.
In God's Service, Lady Evelyn Meiyi. |

Uraniae Fehrnah
VokoV space weaponry and trade
125
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Posted - 2012.07.04 01:40:00 -
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Dilaro thagriin wrote:
Such pedantry does not suit you.
Taken in context, my statement regarded the situation we find ourselves in, not the differences in our belief structures.
I had told you I hoped you would reign in your temper back when you joined forced with the Seekers, and it seems you still have some work to do on that front. I wasn't attempting to provoke any sort are argument, I was simply stating my belief that should the day come when the Republic is willing and capable of providing spiritual enlightenment to the Amarr, any truly faithful Amarr would flock to it. If that is pedantic, so be it. But faith is an integral part of life for any faithful Amarrian, and truly if one of the faithful felt they could learn something of spiritual importance by submitting themselves to whatever treatment the Republic deems fit, they would do it.
Yes, my statement is primarily regarding the belief systems of our two people, but those belief systems are so entwined with everyday life that even a simple spiritual statement will have other meanings to it.
I haven't bothered to continue the rest of your quote because I recall also cautioning you to not presume I'm specifically faithful to the Empire or the faith I was born into. |

Dilaro thagriin
Cobalt Omega PMC
79
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Posted - 2012.07.04 02:08:00 -
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Apologies, I took a little of the anger i felt towards Tiberious out on your there Uraniae, Your work on the various religious and spiritual aspects of the empires should have at least doused some of my response.
Now that I am a liitle less irate I will attempt to answer more reasonably.
I find it unlikely that any Amarrian who has faith in the Amarrian monotheistic faith would find the more Polytheistic or Animistic spiritual beliefs of the Matari people to be of any help. The two belief structures would appear to be mutually exclusive.
My stated wish to see Amarr live under a simillar situation to that which so many Matari live under is not one born entirely out of hatred, in part it is simple justice. The Matari have bled under Amarrian whips for hundreds of years, and those scars will take a long time to heal.
Perhaps, when the seven clans of Matar are free again, the wounds, on both sides of this conflict, can be forgotten, perhaps given enough time, they can be forgiven, but until we are free, there can be no hope of that.
As i said before, the wheel never stops turning, and those who are forcefully subjugated rare;y remain so forever. |

Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
364
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Posted - 2012.07.04 02:33:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:Hoshisuuvi wrote:IGS: the classiest classified ad network on the GalNet
If I understand the legal situation correctly, you are willing transfer these people to parties that do not practice slavery, yes? If so, I will pay fair price for their transport to the State. From the hands of delusional enslavers to megalomaniac megacorporations. Wonderful. That is progress.
Indeed, it is. Also, you might want to look into the meaning of the word "megalomania" because it doesn't describe the megacorporations accurately at all. Extravagance is a Gallente trait, not a Caldari one. ~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon Honor Guard Recruitment Video ((OOC WHG PR Video)) |

Gaufres
Old Timers Guild Inc.
21
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Posted - 2012.07.04 03:17:00 -
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I am willing to pay a fair price of 700 ISK per Slave. While I may be Gallente, I have an impecible record with both the Empire and the Caldari State. I am also in the best of terms with the Emperor Family so there will be no problem with the transfer. Please contact me with the date and time to meet with you at the Emperor Family Station in Amarr so the transfer and rehab of so many uncared for Slaves can begin. |

Aldrith Shutaq
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown Aegis Militia
61
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Posted - 2012.07.05 20:46:00 -
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Alright, I've had enough of this thread.
Not only was the initial post both foolish its intent and shameful in its presentation, it has attracted a healthy amount of capsuleer scum to come and sup upon the bile it has produced.
I have been authorized by Grand Master Otheiran to offer 1,000 ISK per slave in the Knighthood's name. They will be treated fairly and be put to work as apporpriate. I give the Knighthood's word that none will be freed until they deserve Imperial citizenship.
I have also been authorized to release the Knighthood's slavery policy for reference. For clarification, it is not likely the Knighthood will retain posession of any of the slaves, for reasons outlined in the policy. Instead we will do what the initial poster should have done in the first place and sell the slaves to proper non-capsuleer Holders that have the time and resources to take care of these people.
The policy reads as follows:
Section I: Introduction - The Knighthood of the Merciful Crown shall indulge in the institution of slavery to an extent it deems prudent and just, as to be laid out by this document, and hereby accepts responsibility for the physical, mental and spiritual wellbeing of those in its most merciful and benevolent care.
Section II: Reasons - The practice of corrective enslavement shall be used in lieu of imprisonment, which is a wasteful and unreasonable practice that does no service to humanity, its societies or the heavenly mandate of God, Lord and Protector of all mankind in its meekness and ignorance. It is for the purpose of (re-)education and enculturation that this Order shall practice the bondage of its fellow man, with the final intent of releasing morally upstanding and peaceable individuals into the freedmenGGVs nations of origin, and to provide non-profit based labor to particular businesses, initiatives and enterprises deemed worthy of this charity by the Grand Master and his Counsel.
Section III: Proprietorship GGt No individual considered to be a knight or employee of the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown shall be allowed exclusive ownership over another man or woman. All slaves considered to be under the control of the Order shall be under the direct control of the Order itself and its leadership, and not any single member of that body. Should an initiate be found to already hold slave stock as property, that slave stock must be legally sold to proper third parties, legally freed, or donated to the Order before that initiate be sworn in as a brother or sister of the Order. Disciplinary action shall apply should a knight retain personal ownership of any slave after joining the Knighthood in full. Once legal ownership has been transferred, the leadership may choose delegate responsibility of the slaves back upon the donator, or they may be utilized for other purposes as subject to the discretion of the leadership. Upon exiting the Knighthood a knight may request that the Order consider returning ownership of his former slave stock.
Section IV: Limitation of Proprietorship - Hence this decree, no slave shall ever be kept by the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown for the sake of profit, luxury, or propagation of the institution of slavery itself. The enfeeblement of mind, weakness of spirit and laziness of body these reasons cause is to never be allowed by any knight to enter their character, nor by the Order to enter its ranks. Additionally, no enslaved individual may be used to crew a Knighthood combat ship, or otherwise be placed in an inordinately dangerous situation for the sake of convenience of effort or cost.
Section V: Subjects GGt The Knighthood of the Merciful Crown shall take and retain slaves of only two types: prisoners of honorably conducted warfare, and committers of/accomplices to criminal acts (as deemed criminal by the Order). Any slaves that are in bondage through accident of birth or abduction from peaceful occupations shall be freed or donated to other organizations/individuals as considered prudent by the leadership. The Order shall consider any individual captured on the field of battle as its property, to be utilized or tried for crimes at its behest.
Section VI: Practice GGt The labor of Knighthood slave stock may be used by the Order itself for limited purposes, such as to to staff hangars, offices, its headquarters and other low-risk, low-importance positions. All other slaves will be outsourced as rental labor to entities and individuals of the OrderGGVs choice. Rental charges shall be collected at a rate that is only enough to cover the OrderGGVs administrative costs for management. All renters shall agree to the OrderGGVs terms for slave treatment. A slave may not be worked for more than ten hours a day. For every eight hours of labor, at least one hour of religious or academic education must be administered to them. No Vitoxin, transcranial microcontrollers or similar methods and devices may be used for the purpose of slave control amongst the OrderGGVs slave holdings. Glaive collars may be used in exceptional cases, and may only be administered with the consent of the Order. If a method of control exceeding this is deemed to be required, it shall be administered by the Order and not the renter. Slaves may be donated to select mining corporations if they prove to be beyond the OrderGGVs methods of control.
Section VII: Terms of Release GGt Slaves taken as prisoners of war shall be utilized until the war they were captured in has ended, they are used in a fair and equal prisoner exchange or they are unable to perform basic labor. If any of these conditions are met they will be released to their nation of origin. Slaves taken as criminals will not be eligible for prisoner exchange, and will only be released if the Order deems them capable of living law-abiding and peaceful lives in their nation of origin.
Contact either the Grand Master or I for arrangments if you have the good sense to accept the offer. |

Benjamin Eastwood
Oshaima Exports
46
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Posted - 2012.07.11 12:52:00 -
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Mekhana wrote:Hoshisuuvi wrote:IGS: the classiest classified ad network on the GalNet
If I understand the legal situation correctly, you are willing transfer these people to parties that do not practice slavery, yes? If so, I will pay fair price for their transport to the State. From the hands of delusional enslavers to megalomaniac megacorporations. Wonderful. That is progress.
Once again, a federation puppet misrepresents my society. So long as you do your part, the corporation will make sure you are provided for, without the shackle of slavery. We do not drag immigrant labor to deadspace and force them to become wage slaves like your beloved federation. |
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Odelya d'Hanguest
Khanid-damashii
63
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Posted - 2012.07.11 18:36:00 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:**Edit**
Offer recanted as it seems the transfer has already been made.
That said, I still believe this was an utterly foolish place to advertise a transaction of this sort.
And shame on the original poster for possessing so much sloth that she allowed these slaves to reach the state described. Lord Ran'Shad hasnGGVt replied to my offer, so if you want you can have them. I just donGGVt understand why this place should be a foolish place to advertise a transaction GG#of this sortGG%GGvwhatever that means. I also find it rather interesting to qualify my actions as GG#possessing slothGG%. It's not my fault that generations of selective breeding to make certain classes of slaves physically stronger made them stupid at the same time.
I am in my early twenties, have a lot of more important things to attend to and while I may clone jump from destination to destination, I canGGVt be present at two places at one time. Judging from your heritage you should know that it's not easy to do everything right. That's why I want to give them away.
Truly yours, Odelya d'Hanguest Exalted Cherry Blossom |

Kalaratiri
Skadi's Call Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
197
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Posted - 2012.07.12 11:30:00 -
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That sounds a lot like "Well it isn't my fault those stupid slaves can't look after themselves".
Excuses d'Hanguest. 'A bad workman blames his tools'. |

Aldrith Shutaq
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown Aegis Militia
66
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:14:00 -
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I have been authorized by Grand Master Otheiran to offer up to 500 ISK per head.
Here is a copy of the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown's slavery policy for public reference.
Quote:Section I: Introduction - The Knighthood of the Merciful Crown shall indulge in the institution of slavery to an extent it deems prudent and just, as to be laid out by this document, and hereby accepts responsibility for the physical, mental and spiritual wellbeing of those in its most merciful and benevolent care.
Section II: Reasons - The practice of corrective enslavement shall be used in lieu of imprisonment, which is a wasteful and unreasonable practice that does no service to humanity, its societies or the heavenly mandate of God, Lord and Protector of all mankind in its meekness and ignorance. It is for the purpose of (re-)education and enculturation that this Order shall practice the bondage of its fellow man, with the final intent of releasing morally upstanding and peaceable individuals into the freedmenGGVs nations of origin, and to provide non-profit based labor to particular businesses, initiatives and enterprises deemed worthy of this charity by the Grand Master and his Counsel.
Section III: Proprietorship GGt No individual considered to be a knight or employee of the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown shall be allowed exclusive ownership over another man or woman. All slaves considered to be under the control of the Order shall be under the direct control of the Order itself and its leadership, and not any single member of that body. Should an initiate be found to already hold slave stock as property, that slave stock must be legally sold to proper third parties, legally freed, or donated to the Order before that initiate be sworn in as a brother or sister of the Order. Disciplinary action shall apply should a knight retain personal ownership of any slave after joining the Knighthood in full. Once legal ownership has been transferred, the leadership may choose delegate responsibility of the slaves back upon the donator, or they may be utilized for other purposes as subject to the discretion of the leadership. Upon exiting the Knighthood a knight may request that the Order consider returning ownership of his former slave stock.
Section IV: Limitation of Proprietorship - Hence this decree, no slave shall ever be kept by the Knighthood of the Merciful Crown for the sake of profit, luxury, or propagation of the institution of slavery itself. The enfeeblement of mind, weakness of spirit and laziness of body these reasons cause is to never be allowed by any knight to enter their character, nor by the Order to enter its ranks. Additionally, no enslaved individual may be used to crew a Knighthood combat ship, or otherwise be placed in an inordinately dangerous situation for the sake of convenience of effort or cost.
Section V: Subjects GGt The Knighthood of the Merciful Crown shall take and retain slaves of only two types: prisoners of honorably conducted warfare, and committers of/accomplices to criminal acts (as deemed criminal by the Order). Any slaves that are in bondage through accident of birth or abduction from peaceful occupations shall be freed or donated to other organizations/individuals as considered prudent by the leadership. The Order shall consider any individual captured on the field of battle as its property, to be utilized or tried for crimes at its behest.
Section VI: Practice GGt The labor of Knighthood slave stock may be used by the Order itself for limited purposes, such as to to staff hangars, offices, its headquarters and other low-risk, low-importance positions. All other slaves will be outsourced as rental labor to entities and individuals of the OrderGGVs choice. Rental charges shall be collected at a rate that is only enough to cover the OrderGGVs administrative costs for management. All renters shall agree to the OrderGGVs terms for slave treatment. A slave may not be worked for more than ten hours a day. For every eight hours of labor, at least one hour of religious or academic education must be administered to them. No Vitoxin, transcranial microcontrollers or similar methods and devices may be used for the purpose of slave control amongst the OrderGGVs slave holdings. Glaive collars may be used in exceptional cases, and may only be administered with the consent of the Order. If a method of control exceeding this is deemed to be required, it shall be administered by the Order and not the renter. Slaves may be donated to select mining corporations if they prove to be beyond the OrderGGVs methods of control.
Section VII: Terms of Release GGt Slaves taken as prisoners of war shall be utilized until the war they were captured in has ended, they are used in a fair and equal prisoner exchange or they are unable to perform basic labor. If any of these conditions are met they will be released to their nation of origin. Slaves taken as criminals will not be eligible for prisoner exchange, and will only be released if the Order deems them capable of living law-abiding and peaceful lives in their nation of origin.
As outlined in the policies the Knighthood does not usually retain slaves of a work-bred nature, however we will make an exeption in this case and rent them as appropriate. The Knighthood will not release any slave unless they are recommended for freedom by one of the Holders we rent to. |

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
114
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:18:00 -
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This is all just more evidence of Theology Council Unrighteousness.
And the Laziness of Many Holders, i.e. You, Miss Odelya d'Hanguest.
If that is your real name. |

Odelya d'Hanguest
Khanid-damashii
63
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:45:00 -
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I may not agree with every point on your slavery policy, but the Knighthood can have the 10.000. Just give me a bottle of good wine in return. Just letGGVs get through thisGG* Please contact me to work out the transfer.
Love, Odelya d'Hanguest Exalted Cherry Blossom |

Odelya d'Hanguest
Khanid-damashii
63
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Posted - 2012.07.12 18:49:00 -
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Kalaratiri wrote:That sounds a lot like "Well it isn't my fault those stupid slaves can't look after themselves".
Excuses d'Hanguest. 'A bad workman blames his tools'. Si tamen acta deos numquam mortalia fallunt, a culpa facinus scitis abesse mea.
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