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Julius Germanicvs
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Posted - 2010.02.23 21:55:00 -
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What is this? Why itÆs a bond! This is the Roma Bond of course!!!
What is a bond? Now this part is very important because this is the key aspect of the Roma Bond. Each investment is considered a bond in itself. All bonds and the said bonds stipends are not summable. This means that an investor can invest multiple times and have multiple bonds and multiple payouts. For example: you may invest 100mil then invest again for 1b. This means that you now have 2 bonds. Each bond has a different stipend but the bonds value is not summable.
How much can I invest each time? Investment is currently set to intervals of 50m, 100m, 250m, 500m, 750m, 1b, 5b, 10b, 15b, 20b, etcà I will not be accepting investments of any values other than those listed above. If you do send an investment it will not be invested or returned if it is not one of the listed values. However if you consult with me and then you resend a correct value to balance it off I will consider it an investment. Mistakes are made, even with too few or to many 0Æs. If you sent an incorrect value I will notify you. If you do not fix the investment then the investment is confiscated and dispensed amongst the other investors equally.
How do I invest? Just change the reason to: ROMA BOND when investing. Upon investing you will receive a mail when I have received the investment (logged in game.)
Can I completely withdraw my investments? Currently no, you may not withdraw until the bond is financially stable. This is due in part that if you withdraw you hurt every single other investor. Once profits have been achieved I will post allowing this.
Deadline? Currently no deadline but there possible will be one in the future. This depends on how I can handle the investments and workloads of the accounts. If it gets to a point where I cannot manage anymore accounts I will cease new investors being allowed. However, investors already invested can still keep investing.
What is a stipend? A stipend is a monthly payout based on the percentage of your initial investment per bond value.
Payout Example Ok, say you deposit 1 bil on the 5th of March 2010, and your evemail specifies you want the cash back on the 10th of June 2010. Monthly stipends do not start to increase until after 2 months of the bonds value. After this date the bonds monthly stipend will increase at a monthly rate of 1% until capping out at 10%. So your stipends would be as followed: April 5%, May 5%, June 6%. So you would have got back a 16% profit margin and this means you will receive a total back of 1,600,000,000.
Any guarantees this is not a scam? None until I get investors. Once I have investors and they vouch for the Roma Bond then you will know itÆs not a scam. I will not be doing any audits involving my API for account reasons.
So what exactly will you do with the ISK? Follow the market, buy low and sell high along with possible investments if any should arise.
Is there any risk involved ? Yes, there is always the chance ships get blown up, cargo lost, markets crash, things like that. However I will do my utmost to make sure your hard earned isk is not lost nor taken for granted. So if an investorÆs account is hit hard in the market and over 75% of the investors bond value has been lost I will personally refund the investor for the value lost.
Privacy and Security I hold privacy and security as the upmost of importances, next to not losing your money firstly, ha. Privacy and Security will be achieved by providing each investor with a single account number. The investor can then use this account number to check on his investments, bonds, etc. I will not post publically or list any of the investors names or their total investments. Only account numbers and account values will be posted.
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Julius Germanicvs
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Posted - 2010.02.23 22:03:00 -
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What will I get monthly? Monthly you will receive an xml document showing ur account number, ur bonds, each bonds value, and current total stipends received. However, depending on the number of investors I am considering just sending out 1 single xml. Oh, and of course you will receive a single lump sum monthly stipend summed from all of your bonds stipends values combined.
Note: I am currently in the process of moving over the next 2 weeks. I will still be online a lot, but some days a lot less then others. If you do not receive any notification from me immediately just wait a day or so and you will receive it.
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Julius Germanicvs
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Posted - 2010.02.23 22:08:00 -
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Major Account Investors Account Number û Total Bonds û Account Value
Current Investors Total: Current Invested Total:
Stipend Payments: 16th February: Bond Opened. 16th March: 0.00 16th April: 16th May:
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.02.23 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Germanicvs Investment is currently set to intervals of 50m, 100m, 250m, 500m, 750m, 1b, 5b, 10b, 15b, 20b.
Can I completely withdraw my investments? Currently no, you may not withdraw until the bond is financially stable.
Deadline? Currently no deadline but there possible will be one in the future.
You are being completely unrealistic. I suggest you withdraw this fast, go away, read the stickies, and return with a sensible first offering.
Quote: Any guarantees this is not a scam? I will not be doing any audits involving my API for account reasons.
That is not a reason. It is a silly excuse.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2010.02.23 22:11:00 -
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This is a joke, right?
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Commercant Epique
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Posted - 2010.02.23 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Commercant Epique on 23/02/2010 22:12:03
Originally by: Julius Germanicvs What is this?
Any guarantees this is not a scam? None until I get investors. Once I have investors and they vouch for the Roma Bond then you will know itÆs not a scam. I will not be doing any audits involving my API for account reasons.
Well good luck getting investors without an audit. WHEN you do decide to get an audit done let me know and I may be interested.
EDIT: Creo que si SCAM.
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Jadun
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Posted - 2010.02.23 22:14:00 -
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- 10 MD Points.
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.23 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Germanicvs Any guarantees this is not a scam? I will not be doing any audits involving my API for account reasons.
Nor will you get any money from MD.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2010.02.23 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Germanicvs
If you do send an investment it will not be invested or returned if it is not one of the listed values. THIS IS THEFT However if you consult with me and then you resend a correct value to balance it off I will consider it an investment. Mistakes are made, even with too few or to many 0Æs. If you sent an incorrect value I will notify you. If you do not fix the investment then the investment is confiscated and dispensed amongst the other investors equally. PONZI-ESQUE Any guarantees this is not a scam? None until I get investors. Once I have investors and they vouch for the Roma Bond then you will know itÆs not a scam. LOLWORTHY I will not be doing any audits involving my API for account reasons. FOR SCAM REASONS
So what exactly will you do with the ISK? Follow the market, buy low and sell high THAT'S NOT A STRATEGY along with possible investments if any should arise.
Ponzi-scam-fraud
You have no plan, no protection, admit you will steal anything sent to you in error, have no past performance indicators, are providing no security or collateral, have no upper limit on the amount you will accept and are giving no indication what the rate of interest will be.
If you are writing a textbook fail, congratulations.
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Archeas
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Posted - 2010.02.23 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal
Originally by: Julius Germanicvs
If you do send an investment it will not be invested or returned if it is not one of the listed values. THIS IS THEFT However if you consult with me and then you resend a correct value to balance it off I will consider it an investment. Mistakes are made, even with too few or to many 0Æs. If you sent an incorrect value I will notify you. If you do not fix the investment then the investment is confiscated and dispensed amongst the other investors equally. PONZI-ESQUE Any guarantees this is not a scam? None until I get investors. Once I have investors and they vouch for the Roma Bond then you will know itÆs not a scam. LOLWORTHY I will not be doing any audits involving my API for account reasons. FOR SCAM REASONS
So what exactly will you do with the ISK? Follow the market, buy low and sell high THAT'S NOT A STRATEGY along with possible investments if any should arise.
Ponzi-scam-fraud
You have no plan, no protection, admit you will steal anything sent to you in error, have no past performance indicators, are providing no security or collateral, have no upper limit on the amount you will accept and are giving no indication what the rate of interest will be.
If you are writing a textbook fail, congratulations.
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Ji Sama
Caldari Tash-Murkon Prime Industries United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.02.24 00:31:00 -
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Would find another name for your bond, since Roma's are known to scam :p
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Priue Nvidess
Gallente Amarr Engineering
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Posted - 2010.02.24 08:23:00 -
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I see a lot of gimmie-gimmie and not a lot in the way of a business plan... I call scam.
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Jordo Wen'asar
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Posted - 2010.02.24 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: Julius Germanicvs
Payout Example Ok, say you deposit 1 bil on the 5th of March 2010, and your evemail specifies you want the cash back on the 10th of June 2010. Monthly stipends do not start to increase until after 2 months of the bonds value. After this date the bonds monthly stipend will increase at a monthly rate of 1% until capping out at 10%. So your stipends would be as followed: April 5%, May 5%, June 6%. So you would have got back a 16% profit margin and this means you will receive a total back of 1,600,000,000.
I can't figure out if this is intentionally misleading, or if your math skills are this poor. Either way, I wouldn't trust you with my money even if you are honest. Add 16% to one billion and you get 1.16, not 1.6.
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ITSAssassin
Royal Manufacturing and Blueprint Enterprises Bar-None Nation
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Posted - 2010.02.26 06:37:00 -
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Edited by: ITSAssassin on 26/02/2010 06:37:43
Originally by: Julius Germanicvs Any guarantees this is not a scam? None until I get investors. Once I have investors and they vouch for the Roma Bond then you will know itÆs not a scam. I will not be doing any audits involving my API for account reasons.
From a fellow public offering starter to another: just get an audit of your accounts, and then regenerate your Full API keys so they don't have constant access to your accounts. Auditors are only supposed to have access to your personal account information for the duration of the audit anyways. It's not a big deal mate.
Also, I have posted advice to another startup here, and here is the link to my personal offering. I came under heavy scrutiny, and you can learn/benefit from what I went through. My fund is now on track and ready to be successfully invested in. If you wish to receive investors, follow the advice at the first link, and also learn from the scrutiny that came from my personal public offering. GL man.
ITSAssassin Royal M&B Enterprises CEO
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.02.26 08:45:00 -
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From a fellow public offering starter to another: just get an audit of your accounts, and then regenerate your Full API keys so they don't have constant access to your accounts. Auditors are only supposed to have access to your personal account information for the duration of the audit anyways. It's not a big deal mate.
This suggestion is formally correct, pratically you are just stating you chose your auditor poorly enough not to trust him or that you want to do something that should not show on performance / future audits. - Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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ITSAssassin
Royal Manufacturing and Blueprint Enterprises Bar-None Nation
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Posted - 2010.02.26 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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From a fellow public offering starter to another: just get an audit of your accounts, and then regenerate your Full API keys so they don't have constant access to your accounts. Auditors are only supposed to have access to your personal account information for the duration of the audit anyways. It's not a big deal mate.
This suggestion is formally correct, pratically you are just stating you chose your auditor poorly enough not to trust him or that you want to do something that should not show on performance / future audits.
Not at all VV. I plan to pay Varo Jan (currently conducting my audit), you, Li Sama or another auditor to do monthly or bi-monthly assesments of my business's profits. I was just informing the guy that he doesn't "have to" constantly have to allow an auditor to have access to his info. That is all. Also, are you inferring that somethings escape you auditors while you don't have up to date API keys that are not reflected when performing a future audit and looking back on past transactions?
I'm interested if you are available to perform an audit as Varo Jan is probably the busiest auditor ATM on this MD forum. What is the soonest you are available as well. Thanks
ITSAssassin Royal M&B Enterprises CEO
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DR Zenbobo
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Posted - 2010.02.26 15:28:00 -
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This is obviously a scam. The OP clearly did not do his homework.
The idea of companies and alliances being able to issue genuine bonds that mature over time is fantastic. In RL, bonds are considered some of the safest investments around.
Unfortunately EVE is not likely to get any system that would prevent or at even deter a company that issues bonds from simply walking away with your ISK.
Any system like this would undoubtedly require a large amount of GM oversight; something that most players are not very keen on. This is because the ability to choose a lawless path is one of the original facets of EVE online play.
Hurrah to the many auditors, investors, and fund managers, new and old, who have made the MD forum what it is. For its likely to be our only real financial system for the foreseeable future.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2010.02.26 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: DR Zenbobo In RL, bonds are considered some of the safest investments around.
that's why we had the junk bond bubble/crisis in the late 80s
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