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Wotlankor
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.19 20:10:00 -
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In D61A a Rapier decloaks and a blue static flickers over it shield as a broadcast is send out.
There is a low "woush" as the cloak reativates and the Rapier blends into its surroundings.
The voice is monotome, holds no passion as it starts pouring from the speakers...
CVA upholds the law.
None above, except CVA, and everyone under.
Stepping out of line can leave you excommunicated very fast or you could lose an entire alliance in a coup.
We have recently seen two examples:
- LFA being excommunicated and asked to leave. Later being called back in favor because CVA do not mean what they say in heated moments because they speak before they think, guided by their holy rage. Or guided by the fact that throwing out LFA left them vulnerable...
- And the newest shining example of this justice that CVA bestows upon its subjects is the Aegis Militia. Having raised their voice and concerns over the war in general and CVA not accepting the -A- terms they promptly underwent a coup d'Ttat led by a CVA friendly director and the voices of reason and concern were excommunicated. This resulted in AM loosing SOV for a short time and had to fight hard for their stations.
This is all good and well. Consequences must be faced when stepping out of line.
When a household animal, a pet steps out of line...
[There is a short pause as if the broadcaster tastes the words]
When a Holder Alliance of equal worth, a well treated and respected ally, steps out of line it is to be punished. When it does not live up to the it's Holder Treaty consequences must be faced else what is there left if we dont hold on to the founding principles?
Everyone is under the law!
Have thou committed crimes you have to pay and make amends as a bare minimum the isk price you have caused in damage.
This has for a long time been a mantra and a principle of Providence and CVA.
Unless... Unless you are the Genos corp, having daily killed and plundered the poor providence dwellers, you are invited to join the crusade. So Genos joins the very people they loath and hunt namely the Severance Alliance.
Everyone is under the law until CVA twist it to fit their agenda, if it can't be twisted it can be overlooked, can't it be overlooked then by all means just rewrite it.
This leads us back to the excommunication. CVA will not divert or back down on principle, and firm principles they are, when given the offer by AAA and excommunicate their holders, while they sell out of selfsame principles by letting Genos in their ranks or cooping their holders very alliances.
The irony is thick, alas the principles CVA holds so dear is not.
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edeity
Amarr Holy Amarrian Battlemonk
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Posted - 2010.02.19 21:37:00 -
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Alas from experience parts of this statement ring true. An unholy arrogance is the rot that taints an otherwise holy and just endeavour.
Your claims of reason and support for the moderate minded is in error however. Your mind shows weakness and lack of understanding of divine purpose.
The divine will is putting CVA through a process of purgation of the unfit, unclean and weak willed. This is a good thing, and indeed shall forge am even mightier alliance renewed with a closer and more devout commitment to the divine will.
I look forward to the new greatness growing and soon to give birth.
Tremble in fear rebels and heretics your purpose ends soon.
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Makk on 20/02/2010 11:15:32 The new greatness is going to be the "Holder" Alliances that kicks their master out and stand on their own two feet, as space holding alliances.
That is their best choice.
The second choice they have, wich is far from favourable... Is to hang around as pets and lose more capital fleets while witnessing morale drop like a brick, and many good pilots leave for better grounds with more level headed leadership.
u mad ? The Cerbmeister |
Xina Tutor
Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.20 11:18:00 -
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Speaking of pets....
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Evanga
Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.20 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Xina Tutor
Speaking of pets....
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Hellaciouss
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Makk Edited by: Lord Makk on 20/02/2010 11:15:32 The new greatness is going to be the "Holder" Alliances that kicks their master out and stand on their own two feet, as space holding alliances.
That is their best choice.
The second choice they have, wich is far from favourable... Is to hang around as pets and lose more capital fleets while witnessing morale drop like a brick, and many good pilots leave for better grounds with more level headed leadership.
u mad ?
More desperate attempts by terrorist s****to try and drive a wedge between CVA and her magnificent allies.
Try as you might Makk, but not even the dogs would lap up your dribble.
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Shigsy
Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.20 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Hellaciouss
Originally by: Lord Makk Edited by: Lord Makk on 20/02/2010 11:15:32 The new greatness is going to be the "Holder" Alliances that kicks their master out and stand on their own two feet, as space holding alliances.
That is their best choice.
The second choice they have, wich is far from favourable... Is to hang around as pets and lose more capital fleets while witnessing morale drop like a brick, and many good pilots leave for better grounds with more level headed leadership.
u mad ?
More desperate attempts by terrorist s****to try and drive a wedge between CVA and her magnificent allies.
Try as you might Makk, but not even the dogs would lap up your dribble.
Lord Makk speaks the truth on this matter. Genos is loyalist to CVA and her magnificent allies. A wedge will not be driven between us and our fight for the freedom of the Empress. CVA and her allies shall prevail in the face of darkness. Nothing can stop us as we destroy those who oppose us and our values.
My dog saw your dribble, and instead of lapping it up, he did not.
AMARR VICTOR
*Shigsy bows his head and retreats in to the darkness. A cackling laugh is heard in the background, the laugh of the Empress, for she who is the one who favours Genos and CVA and her magnificent allies.
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Padaxes
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.21 09:37:00 -
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Convincing ;)
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.21 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hellaciouss More desperate attempts by terrorist s****to try and drive a wedge between CVA and her magnificent allies.
You sure do explode magnificently.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.21 12:30:00 -
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There are other ways to gain redemption with god than isk. ---
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Darkmus Zay
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Posted - 2010.02.21 13:17:00 -
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I know I have been thinking this for a long time. and certain holders and entire corps in holders has aswell. the support behind CVA must be dwindling and hard to get. Imagine being in command at CVA, trying to convince the remains of holders to step up, grab the flag and fight back.
I do find it fascinating that holders accept being excommunicated and then when it pleases CVA, they are tempoarialy let back into holders.
It will be interresting to follow this matter, see who will be in control of Providence in a month or two from now
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Mister Builder
SSI-Holding's SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2010.02.21 21:48:00 -
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yes uk dont need to drive a wegde tween cva,holders and the rest of prov.they do that good enough all by them selves though its hard to tell though really when half the groups out there are filled with meta gamers mostly all from the holders keeping eyes on folks.and of course poaching memebrs to keep the supposed allies inline and under there thumb so **** on um let um all burn prov and catch they deserve each other
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Cudabri
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Posted - 2010.02.22 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Hellaciouss
Originally by: Lord Makk Edited by: Lord Makk on 20/02/2010 11:15:32 The new greatness is going to be the "Holder" Alliances that kicks their master out and stand on their own two feet, as space holding alliances.
That is their best choice.
The second choice they have, wich is far from favourable... Is to hang around as pets and lose more capital fleets while witnessing morale drop like a brick, and many good pilots leave for better grounds with more level headed leadership.
u mad ?
More desperate attempts by terrorist s****to try and drive a wedge between CVA and her magnificent allies.
Try as you might Makk, but not even the dogs would lap up your dribble.
I'm sure using your supercaps to rat while your allies are fighting for their systems wouldn't strain CVA/ally relations either. Losing said supercap probably improved relations though amirite?
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.22 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mister Builder yes uk dont need to drive a wegde tween cva,holders and the rest of prov.they do that good enough all by them selves though its hard to tell though really when half the groups out there are filled with meta gamers mostly all from the holders keeping eyes on folks.and of course poaching memebrs to keep the supposed allies inline and under there thumb so **** on um let um all burn prov and catch they deserve each other
Your transmission is all scrambled up pilot. what is this "meta-gaming" that you speak of?
I'm more willing to believe that your members left for other providence organizations to move on to greener-pastures. Your leadership failures have already been exposed to the summit when you failed to defend your station system against Ushra'Khan, and subsequently got it taken over by a more competent holder (Sev3rance). Your alliance hasn't achieved any verified ship kills according to a CONCORD linked kill database ((http://www.eve-kill.net/)) in the past month. And in the month of January your alliance only managed to destroy 11 hostile vessels in Providence.
Blaming CVA and their holders for your own leadership failures is unbecoming. Good riddance. Providence needs to be purged from cowards like you seeking an easy life, and running at the first sign of hostilities, you were never fit to become a holder, which is why you haven't been given any space to manage - your previous attempt showed what a ridiculous failure your alliance is. ---
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Hellaciouss
Genco Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.22 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Cudabri I'm sure using your supercaps to rat while your allies are fighting for their systems wouldn't strain CVA/ally relations either. Losing said supercap probably improved relations though amirite?
CVA has lost many capitals in defense of our allies systems. The Nyx class Super carrier you are talking about was bought without a single isk given by CVA or any of her allies, nor was a distress signal sent out by the pilot, so frankly they have no say in the matter. Was is a 'dumb' loss for the pilot? Sure, however, it was his ship and his ship alone to use as he pleases.
You being someone not even involved in the conflict in your name, I fail to see how any of this would concern you in the first place?
In any case, the fighting goes on.
Till the end and forever after. Amarr Victor.
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Lord Makk
Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.22 18:24:00 -
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1# The "Magnificent Allies"
Seen running through Y-MPWL out through the Kari system, half of Provi deserted, 500 man fleets are no more.
What allies are you speaking of CVA, those who were exploiting your no doubt good intentions with their refusal to defend it together with you when the going gets tough??
Some allies that....
2# The Nyx class Super Carrier
A ship like that is a flagship in any circumstance it flies in. This is a fact.
And the no-distress call from said pilot, is because this pilot severed all connections with the global communications system and attempted escape prior to its destruction in a less than honourable way, leaving the crew to die by powering down ALL ship functions..... EVEN escape pods.
U mad ?
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.22 18:57:00 -
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First, I might as well flatly reject the proposed perspective on recent events among Holders relations as related by Wotlankor. I'll leave it at that, as he has every reason to spin his web of lies, and I have every reason to deny...and I'm sure that very predictable pattern of debate is old and tired for the Summit Audience.
Second, I will respectfully insist CVA pilots keep their voices out of this thread. We've nothing worthwhile to say until we can show more tactical and strategic grace than a slaver pup stumbling over his own big paws. Our actions in space have always spoken for us, and the current message is less than intimidating.
Finally, I am moved by Suitonia's words. There is a beautiful symmetry that one who has preyed in Providence for so long understands us best. Surely this is God's purging fire, humbling us and bringing us back to His Righteous Path...at any fiscal cost. Those who stand firm will be made pure. We will remember our mission, and those who cannot will be melted away in the cleansing fire like so much dross.
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.22 23:13:00 -
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What gets me about Providence allies - and not all of them, cos there is certainly more than a few with fighting spirit left - is the way they completely ignore what is going on.
For days on end there has been fighting in Aegis Militia space, and due to the length of teh seige at times forces on both sides were very quiet. During such times, when not watching our TCU for mechanical failure, I took to hunting alone.
Right next door, just 1 jump away in F-Y I found Providence residents in the belts and anomolies lining their coffers. 3 jumps away in 3GXF I found 20+ pilots doing the same, and camping the VKI gate which secures a pocket system. In that pocket there have been consistently another 20+ pilots getting rich.
It amazes me that anyone can see the world through such short -ighted selfish and greed driven goggles. "Oh its not our system they are attacking, just the one next door, back to the belts!" seems to be the order of the day.
Pathetic to be honest. Those 50+ pilots could have significantly impacted events if they brought the fight. And I'm certain there were many many more doing the same thing even further away ...
This is why Providence crumbles. Who can blame CVA for not wanting to support that?
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Forlorn Wongraven
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.22 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck We've nothing worthwhile to say until we can show more tactical and strategic grace than a slaver pup stumbling over his own big paws. Our actions in space have always spoken for us, and the current message is less than intimidating.
This is correct. It is more than irritating to your allies why your pilots continue on "purging" your own systems from those other slaver Sanshas while your allies can't protect their own homesystems 3 jumps out. Looks like protecting Providence from us pesky freedom warriors stops when there is a small bit of danger. ____________________
Lord Makk > I swear to god if there is a saviour, his name is Forlorn.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.22 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Second, I will respectfully insist CVA pilots keep their voices out of this thread. We've nothing worthwhile to say until we can show more tactical and strategic grace than a slaver pup stumbling over his own big paws. Our actions in space have always spoken for us, and the current message is less than intimidating.
You always were a sensible man Garreck. Do you still remember the duel we thought in KBP last time? One day we must do it again for old time's sake.
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Icarus3
Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.23 04:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hellaciouss
Originally by: Lord Makk Edited by: Lord Makk on 20/02/2010 11:15:32 The new greatness is going to be the "Holder" Alliances that kicks their master out and stand on their own two feet, as space holding alliances.
That is their best choice.
The second choice they have, wich is far from favourable... Is to hang around as pets and lose more capital fleets while witnessing morale drop like a brick, and many good pilots leave for better grounds with more level headed leadership.
u mad ?
More desperate attempts by terrorist s****to try and drive a wedge between CVA and her magnificent allies.
Try as you might Makk, but not even the dogs would lap up your dribble.
A wedge from the outsiders clearly isn't needed here as the CVA are doing this themselves... quit pretending we all know what's been happening behind "closed borders"
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Xina Tutor
Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.23 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus3
A wedge from the outsiders clearly isn't needed here as the CVA are doing this themselves... quit pretending we all know what's been happening behind "closed borders"
Well, I am sure you have a number of spies to keep you so informed.
And if that is the case, then you also know that long time members are standing firm and together.
So I'm not sure who's supposed to be influenced by this...
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Wotlankor
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.23 07:05:00 -
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Edited by: Wotlankor on 23/02/2010 07:05:54
Originally by: Garreck First, I might as well flatly reject the proposed perspective on recent events among Holders relations as related by Wotlankor. I'll leave it at that, as he has every reason to spin his web of lies, and I have every reason to deny the truth...
There, now it looks better. If mine are lies yours is denial. Anyhow I am not aiming this at anyone specific, it is a statement of the sad political affairs in Providence.
Originally by: Garreck Our actions in space have always spoken for us, and the current message is less than intimidating.
Originally by: Garreck Finally, I am moved by Suitonia's words. There is a beautiful symmetry that one who has preyed in Providence for so long understands us best.
Yes we do, we the hunters, are the ones that understands you best. But at the moment your actions in space is not the loudest voice it is the politics you need to clear out before your can speak with a firm voice in space.
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Wotlankor
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.23 20:26:00 -
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And now eXceed Inc has joined Tread Alliance.
Providence has gained some fine pilots but the cost has been its integrity and principles.
There is not much left of what was CVA and Providence and not due to susstained U'K or -A- attacks. When you cannibalize on your core beliefs and priciples you have nothing left.
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Reash
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.23 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Reash on 23/02/2010 23:22:38
Originally by: Wotlankor
There is not much left of what was CVA and Providence and not due to susstained U'K or -A- attacks. When you cannibalize on your core beliefs and priciples you have nothing left.
No rules or Principles have changed, corporations who are members of holder alliances must obey the rules of providence.
Their past may be dubious but as long as they obey the rules of providence, holder alliances are free to recruit who they wish. These have always been our rules. Nothing has changed. If they disobey the rules, they will of course become KOS and be removed from the holder alliance. Just as has always been our rules.
If we do not provide a path to redemption than non of the lesser races will find enlightenment.
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Auctoritan Syndicate Director
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Wotlankor
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.24 14:05:00 -
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But they have been changed. I have seen many a corporation being turned away because they were considered KOS. And what of the treatment of your Holders?
What your you say is that the rules and principles now are: Anyone can join any holder alliace regardless of past crimes if only they promise to uphold the laws while they are in said alliances?
Sad state of affairs.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.24 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Wotlankor
And what of the treatment of your Holders?
Originally by: Wotlankor
Anyone can join any holder alliace regardless of past crimes if only they promise to uphold the laws while they are in said alliances?
Perfect illustration of why CVA pilots do not need to be bogging down in this "argue with me on my terms" spin.
Wotlankor, you criticize our treatment of the Holders...and then you criticize our allowance for them to recruit whom they please so long as the recruited corporations follow the rules of Providence.
Further, you imply CVA's influence on Providence has slipped or is even non-existent...and yet it is these formerly hostile corporations who have changed their rules of engagement to match our standards, not the other way around.
It is silly to address such doublespeak as legitimate allegations against the Providence community.
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Wotlankor
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.24 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Wotlankor, you criticize our treatment of the Holders...and then you criticize our allowance for them to recruit whom they please so long as the recruited corporations follow the rules of Providence.
The treatment is unrelated to their recruitment. Treatment is about treating Holders with the respect they deserve for defending you. Treatmeant is about how you excommunicate them only to allow them back in when you find your self short of pilots in your fleets or even worse, you may find them in the Ushra'Khan fold...
Originally by: Garreck Further, you imply CVA's influence on Providence has slipped or is even non-existent...and yet it is these formerly hostile corporations who have changed their rules of engagement to match our standards, not the other way around.
Then it is true, you can change your RoE and all is well and good no matter how many Amarr ships you have blown up. Im sure your Empress claps her hands with joy over such weakness and bending of priciples. CVA is no longer the spearpoint of justice, the unyielding defender of the empire.
Further they have not changed their RoE by one bit, they will join forces with you to protect their hunting grounds cause that is what you are to them. Sheep. Loved sheeps but sheeps non the less. I do not believe you delude yourself as you are one of the most clear seeing slavers, so you must see the irony though you cant voice it.
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Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.26 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck Finally, I am moved by Suitonia's words. There is a beautiful symmetry that one who has preyed in Providence for so long understands us best. Surely this is God's purging fire, humbling us and bringing us back to His Righteous Path...at any fiscal cost. Those who stand firm will be made pure. We will remember our mission, and those who cannot will be melted away in the cleansing fire like so much dross.
How can you stand yourself? You sully the name of all the innocents who have died in Providence at the hands of pirates motivated only by blood-lust. You have no righteousness, if you did you would not toe-curlingly prostrate yourself to those using your allies for their own selfish motives. If there is a God, you have already failed his test.
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