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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:I'm a master of something somewhat related, but completely different, which leads me to make these arguments with a fair amount of conviction. Can you guess what it is?
You're pirate who knows how paper thin mining barges are and of course you want to make sure your superior advantage is superior in the future too.
Quote:GǪoh, and no, you can't MWD while cloaked
Yes, it does. You just don't know how things work in this game.
You can test it yourself. For example after jumping to new system, start aligning and active cloak immediately. After your cloaking device activates you have small amount of time to still use your other modules like MWD for example. MWD stays on until your capacitor dosen't have enough juice to power it or you deactivate it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8302
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Posted - 2012.06.30 10:58:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:You're pirate Incorrect.
Nope, unless you exploit some nifty bug (which would be bad for you and you probably shouldn't post them and admit to using them like in public like that). Either way, you still expose yourself to your target, which tips him off. So no, your tactic doesn't work. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.30 11:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Nope, unless you exploit some nifty bug (which would be bad for you). Either way, you still expose yourself to your target, which tips him off. So no, your tactic doesn't work.
So you don't have any idea of how things work in this game.
And it takes ~2 second to decloak and recloak. If I look at local list and try to find potential threats do you really think I would notice that one +5 sec char decloaking/recloaking? And if it's just someone who wants to test their new ship? |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2012.06.30 11:21:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Nope, unless you exploit some nifty bug (which would be bad for you). Either way, you still expose yourself to your target, which tips him off. So no, your tactic doesn't work. So you don't have any idea of how things work in this game. And it takes ~2 second to decloak and recloak. If I look at local list and try to find potential threats do you really think I would notice that one +5 sec char decloaking/recloaking? And if it's just someone who wants to test their new ship?
Ever heard of a recloaking delay?
Quote:You can test it yourself. For example after jumping to new system, start aligning and active cloak immediately. After your cloaking device activates you have small amount of time to still use your other modules like MWD for example. MWD stays on until your capacitor dosen't have enough juice to power it or you deactivate it.
We're talking about bumping ships. How does turning on your MWD during the tick you cloak (Hint: That's what's happening there) help you bump a ship in a Belt? You're still an uncloaked ship showing up in the belt. Even assuming the miner misses that, you're slow again as soon as the MWD cycles.
Now were's that 2km/s Cloaked ship, and the 6 remaining 80k EHP cruisers you promised us? -RubyPorto
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
8303
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Posted - 2012.06.30 11:29:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:So you don't have any idea of how things work in this game. You're confusing me with you again. For instanceGǪ
Quote:And it takes ~2-áexactly 5 second[s] to decloak and recloak. 5 seconds is plenty, and that's only if you're in the right ship with the right cloak. It's 30s for everything elseGǪ
So no, you tactic (still) doesn't actually work for a number of reasons.
Anyway, I won't bother to explain to you how and why the mwd-cloak trick works, since Ruby already spilled the beans. If you want more details, you can still ask, though. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
26
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Posted - 2012.06.30 17:00:00 -
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Alaya Carrier wrote:Did not think it was possible to cram so much bad posting and suggestions in one thread.
Glad we have the "I circumvent forum ban and keep my main in my signature to show it off" guy plus the "I am denser than Angela Merkel" other forum white knights to help us accomplish that.
Let me give a real useful suggestions to miners: mining is a "numbers over time" game. You plan profitability by taking losses as cost of business. With basic precautions you can happily mine in actual useful setups raking in far more profits than losses due to ganks.
If you are so adverse to ever lose a mining ship, then play Asteroids, not EvE.
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Garresh
Opposite of Low
2
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Posted - 2012.06.30 17:18:00 -
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I used to bump botters in ice belts for sharts and giggles. Smart players noticed me and positioned themselves such that the asteroids provided them with protection. In ice belts, you can stay aligned and still be positioned nestled in between several large ice roids. In regular belts, you can use your strip miners to clear out small windows between asteroids, and then mine from the most distant asteroids in towards yourself, creating a small bump-bunker. Also, if someone is approaching on a bump vector they're gonna be pretty obvious. Your idea is wrong. Bumping is actually very easy to counter. |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2012.06.30 17:40:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:She has a Corp History, I have a Corp History (well, my main, as linked in sig does). You don't. Posting for other people to post with your main while you refuse to makes you look like you have your pants on your head.. Why she doesn't have any KB history? Why master of killing doesn't have any kills?
She's not master of killing, just master of self liking with alts like it makes his arguments less pedantic |
baltec1
1568
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Posted - 2012.06.30 18:45:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:[or hit 2km/s cloaked without MWD). My covops can.
I want to see this fit because my cov-ops cannot do this. Its also not a good idea to call out tippia unless you have some sort of evidence as you will only look even more stupid than you already have done. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
794
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Posted - 2012.06.30 18:58:00 -
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Minmatar Freedom wrote:Colliding with ships to knock them out of alignment for warping, otherwise known as "bumping." At present there is no defense against this in EVE. ... TLDR: You cant protect against bumping. Webs. |
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Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
20
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Posted - 2012.06.30 19:05:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:You might want to talk to James315 about that.
He's been extorting ice miners (long cycle, has to finish) by threatening to bump. Supposedly, he's made 100mil between starting and his first post about it.
Yeah, I read that post.
However, James315 strikes me as a tool, along the lines of some who decry others for playing the sandbox in a way this disapprove of. If I want to mine ice, I'll do it somewhere else other than Halaimia (or whatever you call that system) and avoid him.
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Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:43:00 -
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Gorinia Sanford wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:You might want to talk to James315 about that.
He's been extorting ice miners (long cycle, has to finish) by threatening to bump. Supposedly, he's made 100mil between starting and his first post about it. Yeah, I read that post. However, James315 strikes me as a tool, along the lines of some who decry others for playing the sandbox in a way this disapprove of. If I want to mine ice, I'll do it somewhere else other than Halaimia (or whatever you call that system) and avoid him.
Look at that. A miner willing to adapt. Brava, Brava. -RubyPorto
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
626
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:55:00 -
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I can't wait for the mining barge overhaul to happen. It will be hilarious to see miners continuing to whine like babies after CCP has gone out of their way to give them a heavily tanked barge, "But! But my yield!!" You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2143
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:56:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:I'm a master of something somewhat related, but completely different, which leads me to make these arguments with a fair amount of conviction. Can you guess what it is? You're pirate who knows how paper thin mining barges are and of course you want to make sure your superior advantage is superior in the future too. Quote:GǪoh, and no, you can't MWD while cloaked Yes, it does. You just don't know how things work in this game. You can test it yourself. For example after jumping to new system, start aligning and active cloak immediately. After your cloaking device activates you have small amount of time to still use your other modules like MWD for example. MWD stays on until your capacitor dosen't have enough juice to power it or you deactivate it.
I underlined the point at which your logic train leapt the tracks and plunged into the chasm of fail. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
628
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:58:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote: I underlined the point at which your logic train leapt the tracks and plunged into the chasm of fail.
Not to mention the fact that your MWD won't stay on until you cap out. It will work for one cycle and turn off.
This is the reason the "MWD Trick" works when you want to warp nearly risk free off a gate camp. It could technically work for miners as well now that I think about it. If they setup in an area with no objects or debris close enough to disable their cloaking device you could in fact pull off the MWD Trick to spoil a gank.
Of course none of the miners that complain about being ganked would do it because the cloak would take up a strip miner slot. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2143
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:01:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I underlined the point at which your logic train leapt the tracks and plunged into the chasm of fail.
Not to mention the fact that your MWD won't stay on until you cap out. It will work for one cycle and turn off. That's what I said, in my own special way... To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
628
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:03:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Ranger 1 wrote: I underlined the point at which your logic train leapt the tracks and plunged into the chasm of fail.
Not to mention the fact that your MWD won't stay on until you cap out. It will work for one cycle and turn off. That's what I said, in my own special way...
Its not enough to merely point out that they're idiots. We have to tell them exactly why they're are idiots so that other people who are not familiar with these mechanics can join us in mocking these morons. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:04:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:I'm a master of something somewhat related, but completely different, which leads me to make these arguments with a fair amount of conviction. Can you guess what it is? You're pirate who knows how paper thin mining barges are and of course you want to make sure your superior advantage is superior in the future too. Quote:GǪoh, and no, you can't MWD while cloaked Yes, it does. You just don't know how things work in this game. You can test it yourself. For example after jumping to new system, start aligning and active cloak immediately. After your cloaking device activates you have small amount of time to still use your other modules like MWD for example. MWD stays on until your capacitor dosen't have enough juice to power it or you deactivate it. I underlined the point at which your logic train leapt the tracks and plunged into the chasm of fail.
I didn't immediately notice that.
Holy Failure Batman. I think Jorma may actually never log into EvE, instead only using EFT (because EFT allows you to have a prop mod and cloak active at the same time)
So, Jorma, gonna post the 2km/s Cloaked ship and 6 more 80k EHP cruisers yet? -RubyPorto
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:32:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Of course none of the miners that complain about being ganked would do it because the cloak would take up a strip miner slot.
So cute! Pvper thinks that miners don't have combat skills. That's just so cute! |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:35:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Of course none of the miners that complain about being ganked would do it because the cloak would take up a strip miner slot. So cute! Pvper thinks that miners don't have combat skills. That's just so cute!
Given your ignorance about how cloaks interact with other modules, I would be right. Also the fact that out of the hundreds of barges Goonswarm has killed, none of them has sacrificed a Strip Miner for something that would let them survive more effectively. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:35:00 -
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I could keep posting evidence of your idiocy but I'd probably be banned for causing actual mental harm on the forums. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:41:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Given your ignorance about how cloaks interact with other modules, I would be right. Also the fact that out of the hundreds of barges Goonswarm has killed, none of them has sacrificed a Strip Miner for something that would let them survive more effectively.
You can always gank my Rokh and soon Damnation too. Just let me know when you're up for it. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1978
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:42:00 -
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Gorinia Sanford wrote:However, James315 strikes me as a tool, along the lines of some who decry others for playing the sandbox in a way this disapprove of. If I want to mine ice, I'll do it somewhere else other than Halaimia (or whatever you call that system) and avoid him. Another advantage of the New Halaima Code of Conduct is that the worst of the worst know not to go there in the first place, as you have so tastelessly demonstrated. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
187
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:44:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Given your ignorance about how cloaks interact with other modules, I would be right. Also the fact that out of the hundreds of barges Goonswarm has killed, none of them has sacrificed a Strip Miner for something that would let them survive more effectively. You can always gank my Rokh and soon Damnation too. Just let me know when you're up for it.
Gonna deliver on your promise of a 2km/s cloaked ship and 6 more 80k EHP Cruisers?
Or are you gonna admit that you have no idea what you're talking about and stop posting lies? -RubyPorto
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
630
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:46:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Given your ignorance about how cloaks interact with other modules, I would be right. Also the fact that out of the hundreds of barges Goonswarm has killed, none of them has sacrificed a Strip Miner for something that would let them survive more effectively. You can always gank my Rokh and soon Damnation too. Just let me know when you're up for it.
Those aren't barges and are irrelevant to the little chat we're having right now. Try to keep up skippy. You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
90
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:48:00 -
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Tarsus Zateki wrote:Those aren't barges and are irrelevant to the little chat we're having right now.
Too tough challenge for Goons? |
Miss Yanumano
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:21:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Those aren't barges and are irrelevant to the little chat we're having right now. Too tough challenge for Goons?
Sooo, what about that 2000m/s "perma" cloaked frigate, and I heard something about cruisers with large amounts of EHP?
And if there's anything I love, it's red herring, mmmm... From the Norweigan ice wastes they call their country, so tasty. |
Pipa Porto
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
189
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:36:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tarsus Zateki wrote:Those aren't barges and are irrelevant to the little chat we're having right now. Too tough challenge for Goons?
Talking about red herring is never a challenge. It's got a wonderful flavor.
Now, to get back on subject, you got your 2km/s Cloaked ship fit? Or the 6 more 80k EHP cruisers to make your claim of "most" accurate? -RubyPorto
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Betrinna Cantis
19
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:43:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:She has a Corp History, I have a Corp History (well, my main, as linked in sig does). You don't. Posting for other people to post with your main while you refuse to makes you look like you have your pants on your head.. Why she doesn't have any KB history? Why master of killing doesn't have any kills? Sometimes people use alts for their violence. Who am I to judge. Now, about that 2km/s Cloaked ship you promised us. And the 6 further 80k EHP Cruisers. Waiting..... Alts have been changed to protect the Innocent. You may have mistaken me for someone who cares..... |
Lina Alar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
943
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Posted - 2012.07.01 04:08:00 -
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Lina Alar wrote:Wouldn't a buddy in an interceptor be able to, well, bump the bumper off course before the Hulk got bumped?
Seems like that would actually be fun... If I were the interceptor pilot, I'd be hoping someone tried to bump the Hulk. So not this? An explanation of Eve socialization: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTbgvYPVdXE |
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