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hestons lovechild
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:43:00 -
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Not being able to sleep I found myself pondering while in game tonight, specifically about how handy it would be if there were a way to accelerate training of certain skills I'm desperately trying to get to level 5.
Anyway to cut a long dull story short, might it not be possible to allow players to exchange ETC codes (or maybe some new form of purchased skill points cards/tokesn) directly for training time in addition to, or instead of game time? I say ETC because allowing people to use isk directly for enhancing training via plex for example is going to leave a lot of lower level players out in the cold compared to experienced players raking it in in 0.0 or even to an extent incursion runners.
The idea would be that when a player redeems an ETC they are given an option of splitting the value between skill point enhancement (albeit only to a limited degree - see below) and game time, effectively acting as a form of in game microtransaction. This would I'm sure increase demand for ETC considerably, drive more real cash into the game and development and help to support CCP over the coming years. Ultimately this is a system which many players may be initially sceptical of, or frankly pissed about after the many many months they spent learning those skills, but hey, if EVE was a game where nobody got upset once in a while who would be playing it?? :)
Obviously if someone's well off financially in the real world this would allow the potential of abusing this system and completely unbalance the game. Though being honest I don't recall it ever being what I'd call balanced to start with. So perhaps limiting players to a cap of purchased skill points over a certain period would be an ideal solution. For example in any 12 month period perhaps players could opt to exchange up to a maximum of two ETCs for an equivalent amount of skill points that they might train over the same period of game play to drop into whatever skills they so desire?
This could help cover a lot of gameplay niggles that arise regularly, for example players who forget to start a long skill training before taking some time out only to come back and weep into their keyboards when they realise it, or new players who just want to develop a little more quickly in a chosen career path and who otherwise might not invest fully in the game out of frustration at their apparent lack of progress, and of course allow more established players an opportunity to put something real back into the game other than time in return for the chance to polish off that pesky level 5 logistics (or whatever) so that they can play a more active role in their corp and go pew pew. Basically my view is that we all love the game, were all invested in it and if we can continue to actively financially support it's growth and development in return for a little leg up the training ladder then everyone's happy.
This is obviously just embryonic, and I'm sure that someone somewhere has already suggested something similar, but hey I just thought it might be worth flagging up for comments and refinement.
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Katie Frost
Asgard. Exodus.
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:51:00 -
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Oh man... this again...
If you find yourself unable to sleep again, please take the time to forum search for similar proposals before posting them up. This has been brought up several times before and the idea was shot down.
There are so many reasons as to why this would be a terrible addition to EVE and please feel free to read through those when you finish your forum search. Bottom line is that a system like this is 1) not required and 2) can be abused to hell and back.
Learn to be patient. |
hestons lovechild
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.28 01:59:00 -
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Ahhh I did do a quick trawl and could find nothing but assumed it might have already been talked through as I said in post, but given the financial climate and the bumpy times CCP have endured of late thought it worth mentioning, whether it had already been said or not. Especially with microtransactions seemingly being the way forward in many games, old and new, for cash generation and therefore more dev work.
As for patience, I've been here 5 years (with another account) and I'm no rush to go away lol.
Thanks for the heads up on it already being raised Katie, appreciate it :) |
death klokk
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:09:00 -
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inb4 poor people raging..
I've been wanting to be able to purchase SP for a while now. All the broke people do is complain its unfair that because they lack the disposable income as someone else. CCP would probably do well implementing something to the equivalent of the GTC. Most of the objection comes from people who don't even spend their money on the game and have been playing for free. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub Like I Give A F--K
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:46:00 -
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death klokk wrote:inb4 poor people raging..
I've been wanting to be able to purchase SP for a while now. All the broke people do is complain its unfair that because they lack the disposable income as someone else. CCP would probably do well implementing something to the equivalent of the GTC. Most of the objection comes from people who don't even spend their money on the game and have been playing for free. Tbf, we can buy plex with in game money. I have 40b of crap in my hangar in Jita alone. However you priced it I could probably train numerous titan pilots.
It really isn't an "I'm space poor" thing, we just hate the proposal. Also pretty sure OP is trolling anyway, no one can search and not find those damn threads.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
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Posted - 2012.06.28 02:49:00 -
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God no, a thousand times no...
I have plenty of disposable income, but I'm sure as hell not going to spend a cent more than my subscription on EVE...
If you want to buy SP... Buy PLEX, sell Plex, buy character.
Pay to win/advance/beat is bad very bad...
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.28 03:03:00 -
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hestons lovechild wrote:Ahhh I did do a quick trawl and could find nothing Look ma!! Lookie at what I found!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=94210 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=86481 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1098962#post1098962 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=78809 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=962209#post962209 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=53185
No. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.06.28 03:48:00 -
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This is just one of those ideas that I hate.
I won't go into the reasons... again. Just let it be known that I hate it. Just like all P2W (even PLEX, though that is questionable on its P2Wability). |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.06.28 10:11:00 -
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hestons lovechild wrote:Not being able to sleep I found myself pondering while in game tonight, specifically about how handy it would be if there were a way to accelerate training of certain skills I'm desperately trying to get to level 5.
Pay for progression? No. Same conditions for everyone please. |
Paikis
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.28 10:12:00 -
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Didn't even read it.
No. |
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Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2012.06.28 10:15:00 -
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Jeebus, this again....
All your blather about financial struggles for CCP, and how this will save them.... total BS.
I can assure you that if they start taking money for SkillPoints it will not outweigh the amount they will loose from people quiting the game.
Train the SPs you need like everyone else.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:16:00 -
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The biggest problem is that this would effectively raise the bar to play this game. Know what happens when you raise the bar? You kick out all those who can no longer reach it. Say bye bye to the players who cannot afford this new style of play.
We already have fit requirements for fleets. We accept that we must meet expectations in order to join in on events.
With this, it would become a requirement for serious play. Too many would be willing to pay extra, so they could 5/5/5 on all fleet skills.
No. |
Viktor Fyretracker
Emminent Terraforming
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Posted - 2012.06.28 15:28:00 -
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NO.
The current system is what TV Tropes calls "Anti Poop Socking". basically in EVE if two players start at the same time neither of them can have an advantage.
Also the skill system lets you learn the ropes before jumping into that CNR with a billion ISK in fittings.
Imagine this situation and the tears on the forums. Someone drops serious RL coin on skill points to get the related skills for a battleship including BS5. They sail out thinking they are hot **** and then get popped in the mission because they do not know about shield booster management and cap usage. They then come crying to the forums about the money they spent.
Hell Even blizzard has not started selling levels yet in WoW. Which is effectively what asking to buy SP is in EVE.
the Negatives would hurt EVE more than help it. While yes if a corp found an truly exceptional player they could fund them into higher skills but you would also have newbie fleets demanding skills at 5 to join the fleet just to run an L3 mission. |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:38:00 -
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-10 its got to be a troll, surely no one is in the dark anymore about the inequity of buying sp's |
FireT
Royal Advanced Industries Imperial Hull Tankers
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:23:00 -
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Anyone ignore that those same people that would buy SP would jump into massive ships they have no idea on how to use properly.... then nearly instantly turn around and rage on their titans having been blown up right outside station XYZ because they did not know how to fly it? |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub Like I Give A F--K
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:58:00 -
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FireT wrote:Anyone ignore that those same people that would buy SP would jump into massive ships they have no idea on how to use properly.... then nearly instantly turn around and rage on their titans having been blown up right outside station XYZ because they did not know how to fly it? Why is that a good thing? One more way to make new recruits rage quit? Make them feel like they need to drop 10-20b on skills for a ship they aren't ready for, just so we can kill it?
You know the vast majority wouldn't go that far anyway. They'd still stay in high sec, they'd just instantly jump to the point where they can fly marauders and pirate BS.
"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"-á-á-MXZF |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal Terran Commonwealth
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:00:00 -
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Didnt read, but no. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:35:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:Didnt read, but no. This.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
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