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Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
104
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:48:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I have to say, I am dissapointed to hear you say this, Aria Jenneth.
You may eventually find, Mr. Thessalonia, that there is a great difference between being blindly obedient and understanding one's place in things.
As an efficient but, in certain ways, damaged killer, I am fit to be a sword, not a king. That doesn't make it okay for me to blindly do as I'm told (I'm a self-wielding sword, quite a nifty innovation), but it does mean that if I decide not to serve a sword's function just because doing my part is not going to save the world all by itself, I am not doing my job.
Don't get me wrong: I am loyal to the State because it protects my mother's people, the Achura. This is nothing new.
And it should neither surprise nor disappoint you in the slightest that I value the school of thought and spirituality that makes me what I am over either the Gallentean path or Sansha Kuvakei's utopian lab explosion.
Quote:You can kill me all you want, Ms. Jenneth. It won't stop me from being right OR coming back to be right in the future.
This is a statement of belief. Of course you believe you're right; you wouldn't be where you are, doing what you do, otherwise-- unless of course, you had those thoughts forcibly inserted into your cranium, which, in your line of work, is always possible.
We capsuleers are not true immortals, Mr. Thessalonia. And neither, for good or ill, are you. Ergo, you can perish. It's just a matter of working out how to do it. It may be that the one to figure out exactly how that's to be done will be a neurologist or a computer tech. It's even possible that being a capsuleer could be a disadvantage in working out the method.
It doesn't really matter. Until we come up with a method for eliminating you, or you come up with a method of eliminating or subverting us, I have something to protect, and I will do so.
And while we are expressing disappointment at the shallowness of one another's thought, here's my own:
I am disappointed, Mr. Thessalonia, that you simply expressed disappointment instead of asking me why. |

Ilsenae Alexandros
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
83
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:49:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Think with your mind, Malcolm, not with your heart or your honor. What, logically, are you going to accomplish here? The mind, heart and soul must work in unity while walking the path, to divide them against one another cripples the walker.
Emotion divorced from reason is of course irrationality. But reason divorced from emotion is sociopathy.
And as much as we might enjoy touting reason and rationality as the pinnacle of virtues to strive towards, they exist to be tempered with emotion, most particularly empathy and compassion, or even servants to emotion. Not the other way around, as is most popular these days. Ilsenae Alexandros Khross, Chaika Eskeitan of the Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
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Faelan Maris
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:50:00 -
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We are capsuleers. Most of those involved in this conflict would be out somewhere in space killing anyway - maybe not all of those in this discussion, but most of the militia members at least. We have always been distractions, gladiators, entertainment in purely destructive form, have we not? Is that not why CONCORD cuts the strict legal ties our parent corporations and worlds once held over us, so that we remain as individual specks of dust in the void, glittering in the starlight but doing mostly random damage, rather than be shaped into the edge of a scalpel that could cut "civilized" space to the bone? Is it really worse to choose to be such in the name of one's people rather than to fatten one's own wallet for an arbitrary cause solely for the purpose of watching those ISK numbers climb?
As others have already suggested, while the proxy war is not particularly constructive and the sides appear no closer to peace now than they were when this started, buying time does allow for a change in that. If the end result is the same and the State and Federation start unleashing doomsday weapons on each others' worlds, and hundreds of billions or trillions die rather than hundreds of thousands, what was lost by delaying that outcome a few years - other than the time the militias have invested, and is it not their choice as to whether or not they find that a worthwhile investment?
I would have liked to nitpick the LG's original commentary, but it seems that it would be unproductive to do so this late in the discussion. I shall school myself to be patient, as I am sure that there will be more opportunities. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
328
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Posted - 2012.06.28 16:52:00 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I have to say, I am dissapointed to hear you say this, Aria Jenneth. You may eventually find, Mr. Thessalonia, that there is a great difference between being blindly obedient and understanding one's place in things. As an efficient but, in certain ways, damaged killer, I am fit to be a sword, not a king. That doesn't make it okay for me to blindly do as I'm told (I'm a self-wielding sword, quite a nifty innovation), but it does mean that if I decide not to serve a sword's function just because doing my part is not going to save the world all by itself, I am not doing my job. Don't get me wrong: I am loyal to the State because it protects my mother's people, the Achura. This is nothing new. And it should neither surprise nor disappoint you in the slightest that I value the school of thought and spirituality that makes me what I am over either the Gallentean path or Sansha Kuvakei's utopian lab explosion. Quote:You can kill me all you want, Ms. Jenneth. It won't stop me from being right OR coming back to be right in the future. This is a statement of belief. Of course you believe you're right; you wouldn't be where you are, doing what you do, otherwise-- unless of course, you had those thoughts forcibly inserted into your cranium, which, in your line of work, is always possible. We capsuleers are not true immortals, Mr. Thessalonia. And neither, for good or ill, are you. Ergo, you can perish. It's just a matter of working out how to do it. It may be that the one to figure out exactly how that's to be done will be a neurologist or a computer tech. It's even possible that being a capsuleer could be a disadvantage in working out the method. It doesn't really matter. Until we come up with a method for eliminating you, or you come up with a method of eliminating or subverting us, I have something to protect, and I will do so. And while we are expressing disappointment at the shallowness of one another's thought, here's my own: I am disappointed, Mr. Thessalonia, that you simply expressed disappointment instead of asking me why.
I had actually gathered much of this. It really is a shame that we had to exist as we do. There is so much potential in capsuleers, and so much danger inherent in our very existance, and in my opinion our deployment was handled in a way that could scarcely be worse so that we ended up with the most inherenet danger to the least positive potential.
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Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
104
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:04:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:It really is a shame that we had to exist as we do. There is so much potential in capsuleers, and so much danger inherent in our very existance, and in my opinion our deployment was handled in a way that could scarcely be worse so that we ended up with the most inherenet danger to the least positive potential.
Oh, that's quite possibly true. Just to start with, I'm not quite sure who thought that turning us loose as independent operators and granting us quasi-sovereign legal status was a good idea.
... Of course, that's from a very specific point of view. If you look on us as, say, beneficiaries of Jovian web-spinning (not a possibility far from being fetched if you consider the enormity of the gift the Jove bestowed on us), it starts to make more sense. At one point, I strongly considered making that-- the possibility of being a Jovian scion-- the center of my approach to the universe.
Even if that were true, though, I would still want to see my mother's people and their faith survive. So.... |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
328
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:12:00 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:It really is a shame that we had to exist as we do. There is so much potential in capsuleers, and so much danger inherent in our very existance, and in my opinion our deployment was handled in a way that could scarcely be worse so that we ended up with the most inherenet danger to the least positive potential. Oh, that's quite possibly true. Just to start with, I'm not quite sure who thought that turning us loose as independent operators and granting us quasi-sovereign legal status was a good idea. ... Of course, that's from a very specific point of view. If you look on us as, say, beneficiaries of Jovian web-spinning (not a possibility far from being fetched if you consider the enormity of the gift the Jove bestowed on us), it starts to make more sense. At one point, I strongly considered making that-- the possibility of being a Jovian scion-- the center of my approach to the universe. Even if that were true, though, I would still want to see my mother's people and their faith survive. So....
Oh, believe me, that is a running theory we have, at least in the Foundations.
If I could tear out these implants and still serve my function, you had better believe that I would jump on that chance. Unfortunately, they have proven to be very difficult to remove without causing permanent damage to the former capsuleer. |

Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
227
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:21:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:As a Caldari, perhaps you do not realize that government, people, and beliefs can and do all exist independent of one another, M Khross. It is popularly known at that in the State, there is no distinction between the three. As a Gallente, perhaps you do not realize, that independence is a mathematical abstraction. Even planets separated by millions of kilometers are not independent. Governments and beliefs cannot exist without people, that you should understand. But also, peoples cant exist without governments: there are always those who lead and those who follow. And existence without beliefs will turn you from a human to a machine... or to a sansha. People can't live independent each of other. By living together in larger groups, they share same beliefs, and government, formed by these peoples share same beliefs too. Everything in our world is connected, everything depends on each other, and because of this huge network of dependencies we get this unpredictable existence called life. That was rather brilliant Ms. Kim. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam Shaktipat Revelators
7
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:24:00 -
[68] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:The manner of your "working on" these issues crosses paths with my role, and Khross-haan's, and, for that matter, General Inhonores's.
And we will kill you if you try it, Sansha, as many times as it takes.
You're something we can all agree on.
Yes, we are, Aria. That is exactly right. That is why I have to stay the course. And...the answer is no. I don't have that function anymore.
You are welcome to kill me a thousand times and more, if you will do it together.
For what it's worth, I'm grateful to you. And very, very sorry. |

Makkal Hanaya
Drakenburg
227
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:27:00 -
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Scherezad wrote:It is a tragedy that our nations call for ceaseless war, an usurpation if you like. . The tragedy is that they have the tools for endless war: Us.
In previous times, wars might not be won, but they could hardly be sustained at the intensity we capsuleers can maintain. Who knows? Maybe this is exactly what the Jove wanted of us. Watching you grind yourselves to a bloody paste might amuse the sick little fellows. although my eyes were open they might have just as well've been closed
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
291
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:31:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:What separates us from mindlessness is our capacity to oppose the game. So... oppose the game? Have I not stated time and again that this is exactly what I'm doing? Have you not observed so for yourself?
"The game" is the militia itself, Malcolm. Opposing it involves leaving the militia and telling the empires that we are not pieces in some cluster-wide board game of theirs.
We are not toys to be played with. We are not tools to be used for their political gain and discarded when it suits them.
What we are is a group of people who through varying mixturesof genetics, training and money, have been either a gift and a responsibility, or a curse and a burden, depending on your point of view.
As long as you fly under a militia's banner, you are supporting the game. You do not need to be part of a militia to accomplish your goals.
You only need to be in a militia to avoid going GCC on those who get in the way of accomplishing those goals. |
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Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
104
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:33:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:If I could tear out these implants and still serve my function, you had better believe that I would jump on that chance. Unfortunately, they have proven to be very difficult to remove without causing permanent damage to the former capsuleer.
Hee. You sound as though you don't want to be a Jovian heir/puppet/experimental subject. You do know that your Master has been merrily implanting that same technology into plenty of skulls, himself, right? I wouldn't assume just yet that your boss has gone off-script.
I mean, directly attacking capsuleers? In ships designed to roughly match our own capabilities? Has he even pursued the "upliftings" any time recently?
With all due respect to your ideals, Mr. Thessalonia, you're starting to look a little practice dummy-ish.
A major difference between our perspectives seems to be this: yes, I'm aware of all this. Yes, I know I'm likely being manipulated from various sides. ... But I don't presume that it is necessarily bad to be manipulated. I haven't surrendered my judgment; I just "judge" that it's best to observe and play my part.
That way, if the time comes when I decide to go off-script, I might be able to.
A fragment, only, but true as far as it goes. |

Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
104
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:47:00 -
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Natalcya Katla wrote:Yes, we are, Aria. That is exactly right. That is why I have to stay the course. And...the answer is no. I don't have that function anymore.
You are welcome to kill me a thousand times and more, if you will do it together.
For what it's worth, I'm grateful to you. And very, very sorry.
Gods and spirits ... Natalcya ...
You do realize you can work to unite the cluster from this side of the line and maybe keep your brain-meats out of Kuvakei's mitts? As fearsome as you can undoubtedly be, I'm not sure that your presence over there is going to unite us against the Nation more than your presence over here was going to.
... Unless you're planning something truly spectacular.
Um. ... Please don't?
Also, seeing as the Nation's no slouch on reading comprehension, you may want to rethink the wisdom of staying put after what you just said. You may shortly lack a choice in the matter. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
328
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:52:00 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:If I could tear out these implants and still serve my function, you had better believe that I would jump on that chance. Unfortunately, they have proven to be very difficult to remove without causing permanent damage to the former capsuleer. Hee. You sound as though you don't want to be a Jovian heir/puppet/experimental subject. You do know that your Master has been merrily implanting that same technology into plenty of skulls, himself, right? I wouldn't assume just yet that your boss has gone off-script. I mean, directly attacking capsuleers? In ships designed to roughly match our own capabilities? Has he even pursued the "upliftings" any time recently? With all due respect to your ideals, Mr. Thessalonia, you're starting to look a little practice dummy-ish. A major difference between our perspectives seems to be this: yes, I'm aware of all this. Yes, I know I'm likely being manipulated from various sides. ... But I don't presume that it is necessarily bad to be manipulated. I haven't surrendered my judgment; I just "judge" that it's best to observe and play my part. That way, if the time comes when I decide to go off-script, I might be able to. A fragment, only, but true as far as it goes.
Oh, there is certainly a use in Jovian technology, but what I don't understand is the mindset of the Jovians. Are they benefactors? Possibly, but I wouldn't put a bet on it. More likely, and the evidence we have in the Foundations supports this, is that giving Pod technology to the rest of the cluster was either an experiment, or desperation. I tend to avoid attributing to malice that which can be attributed to ignorance, so I tend to lean towards desperation myself.
As to why? I don't know. When I find a Jovian, I will ask him.
As to this...
Quote:You do know that your Master has been merrily implanting that same technology into plenty of skulls, himself, right? I wouldn't assume just yet that your boss has gone off-script.
I'm have no doubt Kuvakei would use any technology he found to our advantage, however as far as I am aware the new Sansha ships and True Slaves are the result, entirely, of of the ingenuity of Nation, rather than the cast of detrius of a failed civilization. The Jovians overwhelmingly had a biotechnological fascination. Our fascination continues to rely primarily with cybernetics. You'll find the upgraded Nation vessels and True's to be constructed in the same fashion.
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Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
104
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Posted - 2012.06.28 17:57:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:What we are is a group of people who through varying mixtures of genetics, training and money, have been either a gift and a responsibility, or a curse and a burden, depending on your point of view.
And if we look on serving as tools to be used and discarded and/or toys to be played with as part of the responsibility and/or burden, Ms. Lagann? If we choose to serve in the roles we were created for?
You have always chosen loyalty to friends over loyalty to any great power, Ms. Lagann, and that is a position I can respect. It is not, however, a position we share, and there is a difference between a limited war with no clear end condition and a war without purpose. |

Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
104
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:06:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Our fascination continues to rely primarily with cybernetics. You'll find the upgraded Nation vessels and True's to be constructed in the same fashion.
Mr. Thessalonia, a capsule interface is distinctly cybernetic in nature (to wit, a neural shunt), the original slave implants were based on capsule technology from the very beginning, and certain of SYNE's early investigations into the "upliftings" led us to a certain capsuleer turned Nation officer. Shortly after we made that find, True Slave ships started popping up with some distinctly capsuleer-like traits.
Draw your own conclusions. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
328
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:17:00 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Our fascination continues to rely primarily with cybernetics. You'll find the upgraded Nation vessels and True's to be constructed in the same fashion. Mr. Thessalonia, a capsule interface is distinctly cybernetic in nature (to wit, a neural shunt), the original slave implants were based on capsule technology from the very beginning, and certain of SYNE's early investigations into the "upliftings" led us to a certain capsuleer turned Nation officer. Shortly after we made that find, True Slave ships started popping up with some distinctly capsuleer-like traits. Draw your own conclusions.
We tend not to put too much stock in SYNE over here.
As for the rest, you are correct in some sense, but incorrect in others. True Slave ships certaintly have traits similar to capsuleers, but we had beaten death long before cloning and pod technology merged to allow the rest of you to do the same.
When my ship explodes, Ms. Jenneth, my crew wakes up with me. |

Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
104
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:30:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:We tend not to put too much stock in SYNE over here.
If it makes any difference, I was one of the investigators.
Quote:As for the rest, you are correct in some sense, but incorrect in others. True Slave ships certaintly have traits similar to capsuleers, but we had beaten death long before cloning and pod technology merged to allow the rest of you to do the same.
When my ship explodes, Ms. Jenneth, my crew wakes up with me.
... To the degree they ever wake up at all, yes?
Interesting claim, but I think that's a more recent development than you seem to suggest. The Master himself aside, I haven't seen or heard of many survivors from the first war, and the span in between was characterized as much by entire hidden communities perishing of neglect as by reconstruction.
In any case, I wasn't speaking of cloning technology at all. That, if I recall correctly, is our own innovation, not a Jovian gift.
The question you should be asking yourself is not whether you've managed impressive technical achievements. It's whether your Master is a madman, a visionary-- or a pawn.
If you're going to be paranoid about the Jove, there's no point in being selective about it, and there's plenty that's fishy about the Nation's recent behavior. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
328
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Posted - 2012.06.28 18:51:00 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:We tend not to put too much stock in SYNE over here. If it makes any difference, I was one of the investigators. Quote:As for the rest, you are correct in some sense, but incorrect in others. True Slave ships certaintly have traits similar to capsuleers, but we had beaten death long before cloning and pod technology merged to allow the rest of you to do the same.
When my ship explodes, Ms. Jenneth, my crew wakes up with me. ... To the degree they ever wake up at all, yes? Interesting claim, but I think that's a more recent development than you seem to suggest. The Master himself aside, I haven't seen or heard of many survivors from the first war, and the span in between was characterized as much by entire hidden communities perishing of neglect as by reconstruction. In any case, I wasn't speaking of cloning technology at all. That, if I recall correctly, is our own innovation, not a Jovian gift. The question you should be asking yourself is not whether you've managed impressive technical achievements. It's whether your Master is a madman, a visionary-- or a pawn. If you're going to be paranoid about the Jove, there's no point in being selective about it, and there's plenty that's fishy about the Nation's recent behavior.
I don't think he's a pawn, Ms. Jenneth. If he were, I doubt he would be quite so insistant that the Jovian's and their brainchild CONCORD need to have their influence curbed, nor would we be working towards making that dream a reality. |

Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
104
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:25:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I don't think he's a pawn, Ms. Jenneth. If he were, I doubt he would be quite so insistant that the Jovian's and their brainchild CONCORD need to have their influence curbed, nor would we be working towards making that dream a reality.
Did you hear that, just now?
It sounded ... a little like ...
... the largest and most sophisticated intelligence network in human history ...
... snickering.
Believe what you like, Mr. Thessalonia, but you may want to keep an open (and free-willed, if possible) mind, just in case. |

Malcolm Khross
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
362
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:46:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote:
"The game" is the militia itself, Malcolm. Opposing it involves leaving the militia and telling the empires that we are not pieces in some cluster-wide board game of theirs.
We are not toys to be played with. We are not tools to be used for their political gain and discarded when it suits them.
What we are is a group of people who through varying mixtures of genetics, training and money, have been either a gift and a responsibility, or a curse and a burden, depending on your point of view.
As long as you fly under a militia's banner, you are supporting the game. You do not need to be part of a militia to accomplish your goals.
You only need to be in a militia to avoid going GCC on those who get in the way of accomplishing those goals.
With all respect, Morwen, the "game" is more than just the militias. The militias are merely one field on which the "game" is played.
Also, there is more than one path to opposing the game. That you and countless others can't seem to realize that not everyone who flies in the militias is trying to accomplish the same thing is of no concern to me, I've dealt with the countless criticisms, accusations and generalizations from the start and will continue to do so.
~Captain Malcolm Khross, Dyishi Aunni of the Wirykomi Honor Guard Eskeitanen Wiyrkomi Kaashivon Honor Guard Recruitment Video ((OOC WHG PR Video)) |
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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
328
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:52:00 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I don't think he's a pawn, Ms. Jenneth. If he were, I doubt he would be quite so insistant that the Jovian's and their brainchild CONCORD need to have their influence curbed, nor would we be working towards making that dream a reality. Did you hear that, just now? It sounded ... a little like ... ... the largest and most sophisticated intelligence network in human history ... ... snickering. Believe what you like, Mr. Thessalonia, but you may want to keep an open (and free-willed, if possible) mind, just in case.
I'm afraid your attempts to sow doubt in my mind will be unsuccessful, Ms. Jenneth. I've spent relative decades since my conversion thinking of my decision and its consequences, and I have thousands of minds behind me providing additional weight to my thoughts. I've gone over the logical process of my decision, considered the consequences and the meaning behind it. The chances of you making an argument towards me that I have not already made to myself are quite slim.
You will likely not believe me when I say that I made my decision on my own (I won't dignify the use of the term 'free-will' in this case through its use) but to be quite frank?
Your belief is not required. |

Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
328
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Posted - 2012.06.28 19:59:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:
With all respect, Morwen, the "game" is more than just the militias. The militias are merely one field on which the "game" is played.
Also, there is more than one path to opposing the game. That you and countless others can't seem to realize that not everyone who flies in the militias is trying to accomplish the same thing is of no concern to me, I've dealt with the countless criticisms, accusations and generalizations from the start and will continue to do so.
Indeed.
Many of the militia are just pirates. |

Uraniae Fehrnah
VokoV space weaponry and trade
115
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:24:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote: With all respect, Morwen, the "game" is more than just the militias. The militias are merely one field on which the "game" is played.
Also, there is more than one path to opposing the game. That you and countless others can't seem to realize that not everyone who flies in the militias is trying to accomplish the same thing is of no concern to me, I've dealt with the countless criticisms, accusations and generalizations from the start and will continue to do so.
Quite right, quite right. The game is so much more than just the militias, the militias just seem to be the novel new board on which to move the pieces about. That much I'll very much agree with.
However, with the game being so much larger, so much more intricate, there is something that might need to be said of it. It is still a game like all others, with players and pieces. Some pieces fall, other pieces are pushed across the board masterfully. Some players move their pieces to and fro to capture new areas or to block an attack. Some players sacrifice a piece here or there so that another can make a more lasting impression on the game. Some players even move their pieces contrary to the rest of the game, those pieces are shuffled about in such a way that sometimes they come to think they are not pieces at all but new players instead. |

Verone
Veto Corp
279
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Posted - 2012.06.28 20:24:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:Maybe someone else will set you straight. I did not become what they call a "war hero" for nothing. It took the blood of many for that, in fact.
The most significant part of becoming a "war hero" is that one doesn't have to take the time themselves to emphasize that they are one. It's a title earned by reputation, and reputation alone. It's not a title earned by self proclamation and public boasting.
There are many more that have done far more for the Federation and don't have an overinflated opinion of themselves and their self importance, and whom are humble enough to simply comment that as a professional, skilled and trained officer of the Federal Military they were simply doing their duty.
If you think that by any means the measure of becoming a war hero relates to how much blood laces your hands and is spilled at your feet, you're sadly mistaken. Trust me, after taking enough lives with my own purpose in mind to be able to be wanted for charges of genocide and mass murder, I'm in a good position to say that regardless of our motivation, what we do as capsuleers is neither noble or heroic.
We do the same, simply for different reasons, and as a means to different ends.
The sooner you realise this, the sooner you'll be a competent leader and an effective soldier, and not a public relations tool branded with advertising for the latest fashions and carbonated soft drinks.
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |

Faelan Maris
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:27:00 -
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Verone wrote:[....]and not a public relations tool branded with advertising for the latest fashions and carbonated soft drinks. In Himself's defense, I am not aware that he is either of those. I believe that it is the young daughter that peddles such consumer wares in that family. Or did I miss something? |

Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
61
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:30:00 -
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Verone wrote:and not a public relations tool branded with advertising for the latest fashions and carbonated soft drinks.
That would be a professionalism from a gallentean point of view  |

Merdaneth
Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2012.06.28 21:36:00 -
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Seriphyn Inhonores wrote:I will use my status to further the cause outlined above, but as I am still a soldier, I have my obligations. The corporation-run State is still an enemy, and they will remain an enemy as long as capitalism is at their core. One might say capitalism is also fundamental to the Federation but, last I checked, the ability to choose one's own fate is at the core of a democratic society.
Can you explain to me why you think capitalism and the ability to chose one's own fate cannot co-exist?
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Aria Jenneth
Wiyrkomi Honor Guard
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:29:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I'm afraid your attempts to sow doubt in my mind will be unsuccessful, Ms. Jenneth. I've spent relative decades since my conversion thinking of my decision and its consequences, and I have thousands of minds behind me providing additional weight to my thoughts. I've gone over the logical process of my decision, considered the consequences and the meaning behind it. The chances of you making an argument towards me that I have not already made to myself are quite slim.
And yet you present me with your decision-making process in place of the logic you ultimately found persuasive.
... You do realize that you've just declared that you are confident of your conclusions because you discussed this in a committee?
Quote:You will likely not believe me when I say that I made my decision on my own (I won't dignify the use of the term 'free-will' in this case through its use) but to be quite frank?
Your belief is not required.
Oh, I'm quite willing to believe that to be a possibility. There are enough zealots in the world allergic to examining their own assumptions too closely that it seems only natural that a whole network of brains might merely create one more.
... Though I do find it a little unlikely that Kuvakei would permit such an entity to persist in his service without some limits on its behavior. Crowds are notoriously fickle. |

Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2012.06.28 22:52:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Verone wrote:and not a public relations tool branded with advertising for the latest fashions and carbonated soft drinks.
That would be a professionalism from a gallentean point of view 
Damn my genetics. Damn them to hell.
Verone CEO & Executor Veto Corp WWW.VETO-CORP.COM |

Ava Starfire
Skadi's Call
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Posted - 2012.06.29 13:04:00 -
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Malcolm Khross wrote:Ava Starfire wrote:Malcolm Khross wrote:What separates us from mindlessness is our capacity to oppose the game. So... oppose the game? Have I not stated time and again that this is exactly what I'm doing? Have you not observed so for yourself?
Yes, you have, and yes, I have.
It is out of respect that I said it, my friend, not maliciousness. It is possible to remain in the militia, fight in a defensive capacity, and divorce oneself from all those things which make the militias more harmful than helpful. I trust you can do this, with grace and courage.
It is still, however, the militia.
If I work for an Amarrian holder, seeing to it that all of his slaves are healthy and happy, that they have full bellies, clean clothes, and toys for their children, I am still, at the end of the day, working for an Amarrian holder. |
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