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Wildcard Trek
Caldari Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Neena Valdi Edited by: Neena Valdi on 06/02/2010 17:42:31 There is proof of CVA connections with NC on kugu-n.
Yes, and it is almost a year old intel, and almost a year old campaign, it seems your memory is not that good, remember the fights in 2J back then? Was good times, PL, Razor, hell everyone showed up, they even bragged in local they were Allied with us, and we got no grief like we have over the Goons bragging they had Allied with us, when they, and we hadnt.
I mean really all we wanted was to link up with 2J from D-G, finsih making the circle, HED was never in any danger, and still isnt, it is your only access to Empire and we didnt want to screw you over. The systems between D-G and 2J were not claimed only about 5 systems total I think.
We thought we would get some good brawls with you, and not the entire OMGWTFBBQOWNZORTITANZSUPERCAP Fleet. It seemed you didnt want them anyway since there was no Sov in place, and would probably let us have them if we fought for them on even terms.
But I guess not...
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DeadDuck
Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:14:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Can I just ask what's the story with U'K?
In the last year or so they have pretty much doubled in size and now seem to be on the verge of taking 9UY and other systems.
How did this remarkable turnarounsd in fortunes take place?
Even if UK are very vocal this is an AAA show.
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Tarac Nor
Caldari Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.07 12:54:00 -
[153]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Can I just ask what's the story with U'K?
In the last year or so they have pretty much doubled in size and now seem to be on the verge of taking 9UY and other systems.
How did this remarkable turnarounsd in fortunes take place?
Even if UK are very vocal this is an AAA show.
I'd like to think of it as a joint venture.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:13:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Tarac Nor
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Can I just ask what's the story with U'K?
In the last year or so they have pretty much doubled in size and now seem to be on the verge of taking 9UY and other systems.
How did this remarkable turnarounsd in fortunes take place?
Even if UK are very vocal this is an AAA show.
I'd like to think of it as a joint venture.
There's no denying AAA are the senior partner in this. But we can throw up to 200 pilots together in non-terrible ships, so we've made a pretty good relative contribution.
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Gobbins
Minmatar eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:42:00 -
[155]
Originally by: DeadDuck
Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Can I just ask what's the story with U'K?
In the last year or so they have pretty much doubled in size and now seem to be on the verge of taking 9UY and other systems.
How did this remarkable turnarounsd in fortunes take place?
Even if UK are very vocal this is an AAA show.
Sir, I believe Fitz was softly trolling.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.07 13:54:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
Yes, and it is almost a year old intel, and almost a year old campaign, it seems your memory is not that good, remember the fights in 2J back then? Was good times, PL, Razor, hell everyone showed up, they even bragged in local they were Allied with us, and we got no grief like we have over the Goons bragging they had Allied with us, when they, and we hadnt.
I mean really all we wanted was to link up with 2J from D-G, finsih making the circle, HED was never in any danger, and still isnt, it is your only access to Empire and we didnt want to screw you over. The systems between D-G and 2J were not claimed only about 5 systems total I think.
We thought we would get some good brawls with you, and not the entire OMGWTFBBQOWNZORTITANZSUPERCAP Fleet. It seemed you didnt want them anyway since there was no Sov in place, and would probably let us have them if we fought for them on even terms.
But I guess not...
Am I right in reading that CVA and the Providence Block are complaining about blobs? Thats pretty ironic. ---
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Neena Valdi
Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.07 14:35:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
Yes, and it is almost a year old intel,
It doesn't make it any worse or better. The fact remains - CVA had at least once discussed with NC possible coordinated attacks.
Your attack on Catch same day after our initial attack on 49- is not a coincidence.
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
We thought we would get some good brawls with you, and not the entire OMGWTFBBQOWNZORTITANZSUPERCAP Fleet.
You either very stupid or just pretend to be. Which one is it?
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Eskalin
Minmatar Evolution IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.07 15:47:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Eskalin on 07/02/2010 15:48:22
Originally by: Neena Valdi
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
Yes, and it is almost a year old intel,
It doesn't make it any worse or better. The fact remains - CVA had at least once discussed with NC possible coordinated attacks.
Your attack on Catch same day after our initial attack on 49- is not a coincidence.
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
We thought we would get some good brawls with you, and not the entire OMGWTFBBQOWNZORTITANZSUPERCAP Fleet.
You either very stupid or just pretend to be. Which one is it?
i'm going with the first choice offered. cva saw an opportunity and took it. now they get the sandy rectum play time fun, enjoy =D can't wait to see what UK does with providence
If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
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bornaa
Minmatar MAGNUZ ONE The Ascendent Dominion
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Posted - 2010.02.07 20:47:00 -
[159]
Originally by: Fifinella
Newsflash: Everyone's current kill loss ratio is 4 to 1, or better. It's the way killboards work. If you _participate_ in a kill, you're still marked down as getting a full kill. But really, if 20 people participate in a kill, shouldn't that only count as 1/20th of a kill? Based on that, what's your kill loss ratio? U'K killboard, for one, doesn't exactly flatter you: You have 1/18th of a kill there on a Maelstrom, and have lost a Damnation and a pod. So it's a 1/36th to 1 kill loss ratio there. Or a 36 to 1 loss kill ratio, if you prefer.
what killboard calculates anything based on kill loss ratio anyway? only info worth something is damage in isk done and taken, and points gathered/lost from a kill/loss that do in fact get calculated based on the number of people involved.
you two are arguing about a ship kill-loss ratio witch is silly since it would mean that a guy that killed 2 t1 frigs winz lol killboard leet rank over a guy that has one bs kill.
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.07 21:18:00 -
[160]
Originally by: bornaa
Originally by: Fifinella
Newsflash: Everyone's current kill loss ratio is 4 to 1, or better. It's the way killboards work. If you _participate_ in a kill, you're still marked down as getting a full kill. But really, if 20 people participate in a kill, shouldn't that only count as 1/20th of a kill? Based on that, what's your kill loss ratio? U'K killboard, for one, doesn't exactly flatter you: You have 1/18th of a kill there on a Maelstrom, and have lost a Damnation and a pod. So it's a 1/36th to 1 kill loss ratio there. Or a 36 to 1 loss kill ratio, if you prefer.
what killboard calculates anything based on kill loss ratio anyway? only info worth something is damage in isk done and taken, and points gathered/lost from a kill/loss that do in fact get calculated based on the number of people involved.
you two are arguing about a ship kill-loss ratio witch is silly since it would mean that a guy that killed 2 t1 frigs winz lol killboard leet rank over a guy that has one bs kill.
when you are fighting in multiple alliance coalitions without a central killboard where all parties post their losses, then I'm afraid any ISK/Damage/K:D stat is worthless
I could KM ***** in a rifter in a capital fight and have a personal 'destroyed ISK' value of 100bn isk
the truth is its all meaningless ----------
~bitter dog~
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.02.07 21:34:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Butter Dog
the truth is its all meaningless
this is Truth.
KB are nothing except tools to calculate fittings and what the composition of an enemy fleet is. |
Anton Marx
Caldari Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.02.07 22:53:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Wildcard Trek
Originally by: Neena Valdi Edited by: Neena Valdi on 06/02/2010 17:42:31 There is proof of CVA connections with NC on kugu-n.
Yes, and it is almost a year old intel, and almost a year old campaign, it seems your memory is not that good, remember the fights in 2J back then? Was good times, PL, Razor, hell everyone showed up, they even bragged in local they were Allied with us, and we got no grief like we have over the Goons bragging they had Allied with us, when they, and we hadnt.
I mean really all we wanted was to link up with 2J from D-G, finsih making the circle, HED was never in any danger, and still isnt, it is your only access to Empire and we didnt want to screw you over. The systems between D-G and 2J were not claimed only about 5 systems total I think.
We thought we would get some good brawls with you, and not the entire OMGWTFBBQOWNZORTITANZSUPERCAP Fleet. It seemed you didnt want them anyway since there was no Sov in place, and would probably let us have them if we fought for them on even terms.
But I guess not...
Guys, GUYS, we're not conquering their space on even terms! Log those supercaps OFF... NOW! [center]DESTROYED
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.07 23:40:00 -
[163]
If only Hardin was subscribed ;( ---
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Cibo Seidensha
Amarr Biotronics Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 00:17:00 -
[164]
With the now lowered moon values, new rules for carebearism (true sec doesnt matter?), a crazy amount of stations in Providence, direct high sec access for easy logistics, etc... isnt that region actually one of the best in Dominion-EvE to be living in? Add to that the fact that its got no political connection to any power block, Provi must have been a nice target.
I guess -A- was really happy to be served a reason for invasion on a silver plate, hm? :) Would you have attacked anyway, or did you get ahead of someone elses plans?
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.08 00:42:00 -
[165]
cva didnt play nice when they took 9uy buhu karma sucks
"Bringing Content to you 1 round of ammo at a time" |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Gallente Scorpion Road Industry
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Posted - 2010.02.08 03:15:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Rizzot Can you please explain yourself to the disgruntled, hard working Providence labor force???
That's a really nice name for Amarrian slaves
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Rogerano
Minmatar Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 03:36:00 -
[167]
Good luck to AAA and U'K. Looking forward to hearing what is to become of a post-CVA provi.
CVA, come move to Syndicate with Goons. It'll be fun. --- Not happy with something in EVE? An emo whine will doubtless help your cause. |
Zex Maxwell
Caldari Mad Bombers Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.08 05:36:00 -
[168]
Now you know how we felt. when we lost 9UY. Welcome to 0.0 Pack light next time.
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MaestroLimekiller
Caldari eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.08 09:11:00 -
[169]
Originally by: GBlock
Originally by: Gobbins
Sloppyness, stragglers, people accepting hostile gang invites, and COL members getting trolled hard in local.
Then lilan logged in and started whiteknighting them. :V
Furthermore they are destroying the sacred rainforest of roaming >:(
wonder who was giving those invites, u must feel so cool with those killz. also getting a col member trolled is like ... easy, feel free to try trolling prad everyday
I once accepted an invite from teh Gobbins. Warped me to a POS and killed me. Three times. It was WONDERFUL.
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speedcat
Gallente Human Liberty Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.08 09:35:00 -
[170]
Edited by: speedcat on 08/02/2010 09:37:00 1) To the OP I saw billions worth of assets brought out of 9uy the last few days by neutrals and blues. If you were not able to manage the same, tbh it's your fault. Thx for confirming that you will never come back.
2) To UK If we wouldn't had attacked some unclaimed systems in Catch, your big friends -A- would have never helped you take systems away from CVA. Is that correct? If yes, I ask you, what a lousy Alliance you are? Most of the pilots you bring to 9uy that are trying to manage a Battleship for the first time, I never saw in Providence before. They came out of their holes to burn 9uy because your Bitterdogs and the rest of your forumwarriors asked them for that. And they will crawl back to their holes again soon enough.
All you did the last few days was smacking the hell out of your chars once you entered D-G and 9uy. I remember a UK pilot some weeks ago which I fully reimbursed for a dishonoured 1vs1, by mistake, which was not properly announced. This was my biggest mistake ever in EvE online and hurts more than every asset left in 9uy. You guys will get your answers soon enough.
Originally by: Zlatorg
burn it all to the ground and grab my guns and bombs and head back to Providence to shoot some more of them filthy carebear scum!
This sums it pretty much up what is to be expected by neutrals after UK tries to establish NRDS in Providence. You will be their slaves and you will be THEIR carebears.
UK and NRDS... sorry but this must be a joke.
cheers speedcat
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Darth Syphils
Amarr Noshikkan
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Posted - 2010.02.08 09:41:00 -
[171]
Originally by: speedcat Edited by: speedcat on 08/02/2010 09:37:00 1) To the OP I saw billions worth of assets brought out of 9uy the last few days by neutrals and blues. If you were not able to manage the same, tbh it's your fault. Thx for confirming that you will never come back.
2) To UK If we wouldn't had attacked some unclaimed systems in Catch, your big friends -A- would have never helped you take systems away from CVA. Is that correct? If yes, I ask you, what a lousy Alliance you are? Most of the pilots you bring to 9uy that are trying to manage a Battleship for the first time, I never saw in Providence before. They came out of their holes to burn 9uy because your Bitterdogs and the rest of your forumwarriors asked them for that. And they will crawl back to their holes again soon enough.
All you did the last few days was smacking the hell out of your chars once you entered D-G and 9uy. I remember a UK pilot some weeks ago which I fully reimbursed for a dishonoured 1vs1, by mistake, which was not properly announced. This was my biggest mistake ever in EvE online and hurts more than every asset left in 9uy. You guys will get your answers soon enough.
Originally by: Zlatorg
burn it all to the ground and grab my guns and bombs and head back to Providence to shoot some more of them filthy carebear scum!
This sums it pretty much up what is to be expected by neutrals after UK tries to establish NRDS in Providence. You will be their slaves and you will be THEIR carebears.
UK and NRDS... sorry but this must be a joke.
cheers speedcat
U mad?
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Zlatorg
Caldari More-Cowbell Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.02.08 10:15:00 -
[172]
Originally by: speedcat Edited by: speedcat on 08/02/2010 09:37:00 1) To the OP I saw billions worth of assets brought out of 9uy the last few days by neutrals and blues. If you were not able to manage the same, tbh it's your fault. Thx for confirming that you will never come back.
2) To UK If we wouldn't had attacked some unclaimed systems in Catch, your big friends -A- would have never helped you take systems away from CVA. Is that correct? If yes, I ask you, what a lousy Alliance you are? Most of the pilots you bring to 9uy that are trying to manage a Battleship for the first time, I never saw in Providence before. They came out of their holes to burn 9uy because your Bitterdogs and the rest of your forumwarriors asked them for that. And they will crawl back to their holes again soon enough.
All you did the last few days was smacking the hell out of your chars once you entered D-G and 9uy. I remember a UK pilot some weeks ago which I fully reimbursed for a dishonoured 1vs1, by mistake, which was not properly announced. This was my biggest mistake ever in EvE online and hurts more than every asset left in 9uy. You guys will get your answers soon enough.
Originally by: Zlatorg
burn it all to the ground and grab my guns and bombs and head back to Providence to shoot some more of them filthy carebear scum!
This sums it pretty much up what is to be expected by neutrals after UK tries to establish NRDS in Providence. You will be their slaves and you will be THEIR carebears.
UK and NRDS... sorry but this must be a joke.
cheers speedcat
Hurr Hurr!
Carebears used to die in thousands while CVA was steering Providence. I reckon its time for new management. Since you gals failed miserably to protect your airspace, its time someone else shows you how its done. XD
Hurr Hurr!
Whoever controls Providence will have to face the problem of carebear annihilation. I reckon anyone can do better the CVA. :)
Hurr Hurr!
To the OP, dont listen to this crack addict. ANYONE who tried to escape from 9UY died or got captured and was murdered in a nasty way. ANYONE who even logged on into D-G got ****d. ****D, I tell you... And no lube was used... It was pure dry and itchy bumping :)
Hurr Hurr!
On the last day of 9UY, a sad attempt was made by CVA to liberate the system. 30 BS embarked on their voyage of deliverance, not knowing it would be their last. By a very spectacular and heroic interception of an AAA inty pilot, a Soviet lad, with a tattoo of Lenin on his left shoulder and a Red Star engraved on his forehead, he cried out on voice comms "фекфоњеи фмењифоњезузтз цннњљ+шрћчч". Bump me if I know what that meant. But what followed was a majestic flight into the neighboring system and the capture of the small, and very confused BS enemy fleet. Orders were given to have the bubbles dropped, the ceptors were to tackle EVERYTHING!
"50 lashes for each tackler if a single BS escapes!" - yelled the FC on comms.
And we all knew at that moment, it was to be a beating to finally make it clear to Providence boys that they may take our Minmatar lives and burn our crops and **** our wives, but they shall never have our freedom!!!
Every single CVA BS got the spank... Not one survived.
"Oh noooo! Not again! Whats the point of it all?!?!" - whelped a sad old amarrian warrior as he watched his ship break and burn and diminish away under the heavy fire of the Minmatar rebels.
VICTORY!!!!
Anyways, as mentioned in my previous post, as I saw this was the end of CVA dominion, I ditched my crew and moved out of the area as things were finally coming to a closure. The short, but bloody war was drawing to an end. Aralis, as many dictators before him, probably committed suicide in an underground bunker, with his beloved but ugly sheep companion by his side, Aralisa Braun.
Cheers,
Big Daddy Z a.k.a. Zlatorg
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Lord Makk
Caldari Trust Doesn't Rust Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.08 11:14:00 -
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Pretty cool, we have big friends, you have small friends.
Pretty cool, you ****ed yourself, we help you die peacefully
Pretty cool, the tears here fuel my soul, feed me more.
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Fifinella
Caldari Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2010.02.08 11:44:00 -
[174]
Originally by: bornaa what killboard calculates anything based on kill loss ratio anyway?
None that I know of.
Quote: only info worth something is damage in isk done and taken, and points gathered/lost from a kill/loss that do in fact get calculated based on the number of people involved.
you two are arguing about a ship kill-loss ratio witch is silly since it would mean that a guy that killed 2 t1 frigs winz lol killboard leet rank over a guy that has one bs kill.
I wasn't arguing, I merely pointed out that _if_ one needs to brag with their K/D, they should at least use real numbers, not these slightly rounded up ones he came up with.
A system which, incidentally, would also work just as fine (actually better, I think) with ISK-based efficiency calculations: why not split the value of a kill between the participants on the KB? That would maybe reduce the silly "wait guys, we have some guys 2 jumps away that also want on the killmail"-games, and show better the true efficiency of pilots.
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Stratio
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.08 12:15:00 -
[175]
Originally by: speedcat Most of the pilots you bring to 9uy that are trying to manage a Battleship for the first time, I never saw in Providence before.
Good job we never helped .-A-. against goons or such. _____________________
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Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.08 12:17:00 -
[176]
Originally by: speedcat Edited by: speedcat on 08/02/2010 09:37:00 1) To the OP I saw billions worth of assets brought out of 9uy the last few days by neutrals and blues. If you were not able to manage the same, tbh it's your fault. Thx for confirming that you will never come back.
2) To UK If we wouldn't had attacked some unclaimed systems in Catch, your big friends -A- would have never helped you take systems away from CVA. Is that correct? If yes, I ask you, what a lousy Alliance you are? Most of the pilots you bring to 9uy that are trying to manage a Battleship for the first time, I never saw in Providence before. They came out of their holes to burn 9uy because your Bitterdogs and the rest of your forumwarriors asked them for that. And they will crawl back to their holes again soon enough.
All you did the last few days was smacking the hell out of your chars once you entered D-G and 9uy. I remember a UK pilot some weeks ago which I fully reimbursed for a dishonoured 1vs1, by mistake, which was not properly announced. This was my biggest mistake ever in EvE online and hurts more than every asset left in 9uy. You guys will get your answers soon enough.
Originally by: Zlatorg
burn it all to the ground and grab my guns and bombs and head back to Providence to shoot some more of them filthy carebear scum!
This sums it pretty much up what is to be expected by neutrals after UK tries to establish NRDS in Providence. You will be their slaves and you will be THEIR carebears.
UK and NRDS... sorry but this must be a joke.
cheers speedcat
u mad? ----------
~bitter dog~
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Eumenides
Caldari Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.08 12:49:00 -
[177]
Just to remind you this is OOC so don't be confused if i don't hate CVA all the way in this post :)
First of all, i personally joined UK about 7Month ago, knowing well about their history and goals and having the perception, that in their fight agains CVA they are the underdogs. I was looking forward to help this alliance grow in strengh and one day overthrow CVA. I am a little suprised and dissapointed, that we now take provi with help of -A- or let's say with -A- beeing the main power behind this - even if we bring like 200Pilots to every fight we still would be the jr. Partner.
Since i had my first 0.0 experience in Provi i would like to see it staying NRDS but that is not for me to decide.
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The last thing i'd like to mention is :
I got Aralis Corpse in my posession, and am willing to sell it plz mail me your offers :)
Eumenides
ps.: since i am Caldari by blood i don't care what you use it for as long as i get a lot of ISK for it :D
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Frygok
Minmatar The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.08 13:06:00 -
[178]
Originally by: speedcat Edited by: speedcat on 08/02/2010 09:37:00 1) To the OP I saw billions worth of assets brought out of 9uy the last few days by neutrals and blues. If you were not able to manage the same, tbh it's your fault. Thx for confirming that you will never come back.
2) To UK If we wouldn't had attacked some unclaimed systems in Catch, your big friends -A- would have never helped you take systems away from CVA. Is that correct? If yes, I ask you, what a lousy Alliance you are? Most of the pilots you bring to 9uy that are trying to manage a Battleship for the first time, I never saw in Providence before. They came out of their holes to burn 9uy because your Bitterdogs and the rest of your forumwarriors asked them for that. And they will crawl back to their holes again soon enough.
All you did the last few days was smacking the hell out of your chars once you entered D-G and 9uy. I remember a UK pilot some weeks ago which I fully reimbursed for a dishonoured 1vs1, by mistake, which was not properly announced. This was my biggest mistake ever in EvE online and hurts more than every asset left in 9uy. You guys will get your answers soon enough.
Originally by: Zlatorg
burn it all to the ground and grab my guns and bombs and head back to Providence to shoot some more of them filthy carebear scum!
This sums it pretty much up what is to be expected by neutrals after UK tries to establish NRDS in Providence. You will be their slaves and you will be THEIR carebears.
UK and NRDS... sorry but this must be a joke.
cheers speedcat
Is this a troll, or do you really want people to refute your insane ramblings and make you look stupid?
I can't be bothered doing it in detail, other than point out the fact that U'K time and time again has offered a 1 vs. 1 against CVA or any other single Providence entity, leaving the Proviblob at home. Yet somehow that has not been the case. If U'K is so terrible, why is it that Proviblob needs to bring 2-3 times the numbers each and everytime an engagement has been fought? Now we have friends, and your huge fleets has vanished from the face of Providence, and you whine about our "big friends"? Big lolz
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zoolkhan
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.08 14:32:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Rizzot
9UY station system is under full control of -A- and Ushra Khan. Which is not good as all my stuff is in there *sniff*
Excuse me we have build it, and as a matter of fact... i have some 400 units of assets sitting there since we have been pos spammed out of that system 3 years ago...
I think, i find this thread amusing.
recruiting -forum
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Jack Winters
Gallente Smegnet Incorporated Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2010.02.08 16:05:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Jack Winters on 08/02/2010 16:06:28 lol gawd butterdog cant troll properly. I'd prefer to hear from Derek Chu tbqfh
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