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ElQuirko Protus Correction Facility Inc. 849	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:12:00 - [1] - Quote I heard they were volunteers from the community. When did the trend change? CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
CARB0N FIBER Derailleurs 23	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:13:00 - [2] - Quote Eve is a cold hard game with a couple very sensitive employees!
Cutter Isaacson Peace N Quiet 557	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:14:00 - [3] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: I heard they were volunteers from the community. When did the trend change? They are staff, being volunteers does not change that fact. Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue.
Malacath Azaria xX-Crusader-Xx 30	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:14:00 - [4] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: I heard they were volunteers from the community. When did the trend change? It didn't/ They're trying to scare you, although I have to admit... This new ISD guy that's appeared in the last 10 mins... He actually does a good job. IB4TS
Lilliana Stelles Mindstar Technology Executive Outcomes 50	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:15:00 - [5] - Quote Cutter Isaacson wrote: ElQuirko wrote: I heard they were volunteers from the community. When did the trend change? They are staff, being volunteers does not change that fact. Can I be staff? Due to the fact that I'm here? The fact that I'm an untrained player with no connection to CCP whatsoever doesn't change that.
ElQuirko Protus Correction Facility Inc. 852	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:15:00 - [6] - Quote Cutter Isaacson wrote: They are staff, being volunteers does not change that fact. Definition of staff: All the people employed by a particular organization: "a staff of 600". They are not employed. They volunteer. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2122	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:16:00 - [7] - Quote That's exactly the problem. The part of the community that wants forum moderation powers is the part that shouldn't have them. I shouldn't have mod powers, but then I don't want them. This is EVE. -a Everybody Versus Everybody.
CARB0N FIBER Derailleurs 24	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:16:00 - [8] - Quote If morg goes I go!
ElQuirko Protus Correction Facility Inc. 852	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:18:00 - [9] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: That's exactly the problem. The part of the community that wants forum moderation powers is the part that shouldn't have them. I shouldn't have mod powers, but then I don't want them. Morganta has left. This is ridiculous. It's like politics - those best suited to lead men fairly do not put themselves above those who lust after power and so we get the less desirable bits rising to the top of the pot faster than the cream. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8173	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:18:00 - [10] - Quote -:1 of the TOS has been the same since roughly forever. The only change is that they've begun to enforce it. GG#If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GkmvGkm you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GG% CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?

Malacath Azaria xX-Crusader-Xx 32	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:19:00 - [11] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: That's exactly the problem. The part of the community that wants forum moderation powers is the part that shouldn't have them. I shouldn't have mod powers, but then I don't want them. We have a saying at work. "Those who want power are the least suited to wielding it"
ElQuirko Protus Correction Facility Inc. 852	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:19:00 - [12] - Quote Tippia wrote: -:1 of the TOS has been the same since roughly forever. The only change is that they've begun to enforce it. Oh my god, Tippia has returned. Kk, guys, it's the forumpocalypse. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2122	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:21:00 - [13] - Quote Tippia wrote: -:1 of the TOS has been the same since roughly forever. The only change is that they've begun to enforce it. The problem is that they (at least the ISDs) have decided to enforce it with a spectacular show of thin-skinnedness. Anything negative about CCP, no matter how mild the rebuke, has been being locked/edited under that provision. This is EVE. -a Everybody Versus Everybody.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 1582	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:22:00 - [14] - Quote CARB0N FIBER wrote: Eve is a cold hard game with a couple very sensitive employees! and a little less cold hard cash The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8173	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:24:00 - [15] - Quote RubyPorto wrote: The problem is that they (at least the ISDs) have decided to enforce it with a spectacular show of thin-skinnedness. Anything negative about CCP, no matter how mild the rebuke, has been being locked/edited under that provision. Indeed, but that's a slightly different matter than what the OP is asking about. GG#If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GkmvGkm you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GG% CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
ElQuirko Protus Correction Facility Inc. 854	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:25:00 - [16] - Quote Tippia wrote: Indeed, but that's a slightly different matter than what the OP is asking about. Yes, but on the other hand, so was your reply. I'm asking if the terms of the abuse of staff rule extend to these non-CCP volunteers, not whether the rule was there or not. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Cutter Isaacson Peace N Quiet 560	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:26:00 - [17] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Cutter Isaacson wrote: They are staff, being volunteers does not change that fact. Definition of staff: All the people employed by a particular organization: "a staff of 600". They are not employed. They volunteer. They are governed by the same rules that all other CCP staff are governed by, the fact that they do not receive any form of financial compensation for this does not alter anything. They have to sign NDA's and agree to abide by the exact same terms and conditions as any other employee of CCP. EDIT: For clarity em-+ploy-+ment (m-ploimnt) n. 1. a. The act of employing. b. The state of being employed. 2. The work in which one is engaged; occupation. 3. An activity to which one devotes time. 4. The percentage or number of people gainfully employed: "a vicious spiral of rising prices under full employment" (William Henry Beveridge). Numbers of terminally stupid people seem to be on the increase, I suggest we have a real life Stupidageddon to rectify this issue.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 8176	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:27:00 - [18] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: Yes, but on the other hand, so was your reply. I'm asking if the terms of the abuse of staff rule extend to these non-CCP volunteers, not whether the rule was there or not. The GG#newGG% rule is just that old -:1, but with an GG#GG*and this time we mean itGG% attached to the end. GG#If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GkmvGkm you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GG% CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
ElQuirko Protus Correction Facility Inc. 854	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:27:00 - [19] - Quote Cutter Isaacson wrote: They are governed by the same rules that all other CCP staff are governed by, the fact that they do not receive any form of financial compensation for this does not alter anything. They have to sign NDA's and agree to abide by the exact same terms and conditions as any other employee of CCP. Very good, thankyou. CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
Antisocial Malkavian Aliastra Gallente Federation 179	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:36:00 - [20] - Quote ElQuirko wrote: I heard they were volunteers from the community. When did the trend change? Its interesting they havent locked this; apparently its not spam lol http://gizmodo.com/5913381/season-your-food-with-salt-from-real-human-tears you will be harvested

ElQuirko Protus Correction Facility Inc. 854	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:37:00 - [21] - Quote Antisocial Malkavian wrote: ElQuirko wrote: I heard they were volunteers from the community. When did the trend change? Its interesting they havent locked this; apparently its not spam lol Neither are my two spam threads that are open. Moderation at its best CISPA - Readin' your secret corptheft mails since 2012
San Severina Hoplite Brigade 9	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:42:00 - [22] - Quote A little bit of power can be a very dangerous thing.
Morganta Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia 1584	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:48:00 - [23] - Quote San Severina wrote: A little bit of power can be a very dangerous thing. so then ISD means "Imperial Star Destroyer"? I'm confused, I wonder if the Lucas Arts legal department will help me deal with my trademark confusion The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy
RubyPorto SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT 2126	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:51:00 - [24] - Quote Morganta wrote: San Severina wrote: A little bit of power can be a very dangerous thing. so then ISD means "Imperial Star Destroyer"? I'm confused, I wonder if the Lucas Arts legal department will help me deal with my trademark confusion Imperial Speech Destroyer? This is EVE. -a Everybody Versus Everybody.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 882	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:57:00 - [25] - Quote If you don't like what the ISD does, report them. Quietly. All this spam and insanity does is reinforce that they were right.
Lapine Davion Outer Ring Applied Logistics 475	Posted - 2012.06.26 00:59:00 - [26] - Quote Corina Jarr wrote: If you don't like what the ISD does, report them. Quietly. All this spam and insanity does is reinforce that they were right. AS if the sane people didn't already know that the forums need to be moderated with an iron fist. Don't worry about posting with your main! -aPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Malacath Azaria xX-Crusader-Xx 37	Posted - 2012.06.26 01:02:00 - [27] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: If you don't like what the ISD does, report them. Quietly. All this spam and insanity does is reinforce that they were right. AS if the sane people didn't already know that the forums need to be moderated with an iron fist. EVE-O forums have now officially become [Insert stupid themepark mmo] forums.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 882	Posted - 2012.06.26 01:03:00 - [28] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: If you don't like what the ISD does, report them. Quietly. All this spam and insanity does is reinforce that they were right. AS if the sane people didn't already know that the forums need to be moderated with an iron fist. No it needs to be moderated by someone who knows when things cross the line and when they haven't. Which is why I will likely never apply...
Lapine Davion Outer Ring Applied Logistics 475	Posted - 2012.06.26 01:03:00 - [29] - Quote Malacath Azaria wrote: Lapine Davion wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: If you don't like what the ISD does, report them. Quietly. All this spam and insanity does is reinforce that they were right. AS if the sane people didn't already know that the forums need to be moderated with an iron fist. EVE-O forums have now officially become [Insert stupid themepark mmo] forums. You mean they weren't always terrible forums for terrible people. We need a Stalin for these forums. ISD Stettson may be that Stalin. Don't worry about posting with your main! -aPost with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
Malacath Azaria xX-Crusader-Xx 38	Posted - 2012.06.26 01:10:00 - [30] - Quote Lapine Davion wrote: Malacath Azaria wrote: Lapine Davion wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: If you don't like what the ISD does, report them. Quietly. All this spam and insanity does is reinforce that they were right. AS if the sane people didn't already know that the forums need to be moderated with an iron fist. EVE-O forums have now officially become [Insert stupid themepark mmo] forums. You mean they weren't always terrible forums for terrible people. We need a Stalin for these forums. ISD Stettson may be that Stalin. EVE forums have always been unique in the sense that people could speak their mind. CCP understood this with the HTFU motto. Then they hired volunteers after sacking great community managers (So certain people could keep their high pays) like CCP Zygurmist after the P2W scandal. No reasonable person can deny that the whole volunteer forum moderator experiment has been a disaster.


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