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Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.01.25 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: genette devo I are the cretin not you
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genette devo
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:13:00 -
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wow guys you cant figure out how to get somebody's pod in high sec, you aren't thinking very hard, oh well, but to honest I really don't see what point anyone would see in sticking with a sinking ship. If you are fighting simultaneous war decks you are either full of smack talking jackasses, can flippers or fail gankers, or doing something else to draw attention to your selfand are doomed to failure.
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Ghengis Tia
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:17:00 -
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"Leadership is the art and science of influencing and directing people in such a manner as to obtain their willing cooperation and support in order to accomplish a mission."
The exercise of true leadership is tough, and as a trait it is a rarity. I applaud you for giving it a go, as you've seen the downside of a situation requiring leadership.
The people most benefitting from this situation are your corp-mates, who saw you act decisively and swiftly with the pendejo.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: genette devo wow guys you cant figure out how to get somebody's pod in high sec,
It rather seems to be a question of you not figuring out how to get your pod out in highsec…
…and that losing your pod ≠ losing your implants. …and that the implants the guy had were probably so cheap it wouldn't cost anything to replace. …and that the guy in question simply tried to invent lame excuses to have the protection of a corp, but not protect it back.
Quote: If you are fighting simultaneous war decks you are either full of smack talking jackasses, can flippers or fail gankers, or doing something else to draw attention to your selfand are doomed to failure.
…or just out to have some fun. You know, that thing that games are all about? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Reckoning.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:23:00 -
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not too harsh at all. If he drops corp the second something like a war hits, then he
a) has no ambition or drive to learn anything (dropping corp instead of experiencing war and learning how to deal with it)
b) Doesn't really care about the corp (couldn't really expect him to give a rats ass about any future problems the corp has)
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: genette devo If you are fighting simultaneous war decks you are either full of smack talking jackasses, can flippers or fail gankers, or doing something else to draw attention to your selfand are doomed to failure.
Confirming that those alliances who specifically recruit corps with war decs so they can have a 'target rich environment' are total failures and failed gankers
Well, I guess they could just be PvP alliances/corps that enjoy what they do, but nah, we'll go with your version. __________________________________________
It's a do or die universe, so you better damn well choose between one or the other. |
MaxxOmega
Caldari Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: genette devo wow guys you cant figure out how to get somebody's pod in high sec, you aren't thinking very hard, oh well, but to honest I really don't see what point anyone would see in sticking with a sinking ship. If you are fighting simultaneous war decks you are either full of smack talking jackasses, can flippers or fail gankers, or doing something else to draw attention to your selfand are doomed to failure.
You are quite a troll and your Avatar is ugly...
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Taharqua10 As the CEO of an expanding corporation & fighting a number of simultaeonous wardecs we need all hands to the pumps-everybody fights & nobody runs.
One of my new members left the moment the wardecs started.
He then convoed me & asked if he could come back to the corp after the wardecs had finished & we had joined an alliance.
This lit my touchpaper. Whilst his previous colleagues in Eve, some of them very inexperienced were fighting & dieing we have this turd sitting in an NPC corp spouting that he did not want to loose the only ship he had which he borrowed from a friend.
So, I tried to point this out to him & even offered to buy him a new ship to come back in a fight & his response......I don't want to risk my implants.
WTF do some people expect, Eve on a plate & when the going gets a bit tougher they run away like sheep & use every game mechanic to hide from there duty- protecting their corp colleagues & the corp.
I was mad for the whole evening & told him to get the **** out of my channel & banned him from further contact. He ain't coming back in my corp that's for sure.
A lot of the noobs read the flame & where quite disgusted by this lame behaviour as we had looked after this guy & made him really welcome.
I spent, in common with my other directors, the evening with a sour taste in my mouth.
Upon reflection- have I been too harsh- what does the forum think of this behaviour?
evemail him and say sorry and try to get him back in the corp when the wars run out and when he gets back kill his ass, making sure to have a smartbomb bs nearby to smartbomb the pod
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tuberider After the war has ended, invite him back give him no access then pod his ass every time he undocks. Maybe he'll leave eve and no other corp with have too put up with him.
lols tube beat me to it
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Amarr citizen 4454545
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Posted - 2010.01.25 20:07:00 -
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Why do you feel the need to force your playing style on your members, by forcing them to fight? That's your playing style, not his.
Although you got war-dec'd this guy obviously didn't join your corp to fight .. and it sounds like when he got recruited you didn't make it clear this was necessary.
It sounds like you're a bit intolerant of the playing preferences of others.
No .. you didn't have a right to be angry.
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Kijo Rikki
Caldari Swarm of Angry Bees
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Posted - 2010.01.25 20:18:00 -
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You really shouldnt get mad about a game. period.
That being said I see the trolling here but theres a simple way to stop that by merely noting that the guy was willing to be in the corp so long as the war was over. That to me means 'hey you're a really nice guy and I like you but I just want to be friends'.
Gentlemen, you know what to do with this information. Thats right.....forget they exist.
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Braskyte
StarShard Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.25 20:22:00 -
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Eve-mail him. Invite him back after the war. Offer "protection" for the stuff he will be transporting to the "system you base in" (spook him with suicide gankers and stuff). Tell him to warp to you in a safespot, kill ship, loot his stuff. Profit
Muhahahah I like creating evil plans!
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.25 20:24:00 -
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Preaching about loyalty to the corp as its some kind of holy virtue is pretty lame.
But butting out when the fighitng begins is also lame.
All inn all, you are both lame ;). --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Trader20
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Posted - 2010.01.25 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: drones man - He has very little loyalty to the corp.
- He will probably not be an asset to the corp in a PvP situation.
- He needs to grow a pair
I think you made the right decision.
Lol at people with loyalty in video games, or in irl
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.01.25 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr citizen 4454545 Why do you feel the need to force your playing style on your members, by forcing them to fight? That's your playing style, not his.
Although you got war-dec'd this guy obviously didn't join your corp to fight .. and it sounds like when he got recruited you didn't make it clear this was necessary.
It sounds like you're a bit intolerant of the playing preferences of others.
No .. you didn't have a right to be angry.
People like you are fast to expose your deep sense of entitlement but Corps are there for all players, not just one. Your attitude is very selfish. Also Wardecing in this game is expected and common, if someone does not understand that then they deserve to be ridiculed.
The guy ran off and left his corps mates in the lurch, using a few ISK worth of ships as a lame excuse for being selfish.
Players like that are best avoided. They always fail when it matters the most but they infect all on line games, even carebear ones. If they want to play 'their way' with no thought to others they should play solo.
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2010.01.25 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: NyteTyger
And if you don't know how to save a pod, you should stick to station trading.
To be fair, not everyone can save their pod. Depending on their rig and connection it is not guaranteed, even in high-sec, that they can get away in time.
While rare, I have had instances where I have lost my ship AND pod before my session even loaded when leaving station, and lag has nearly cost me quite a few.
This is what personally keeps me out of PvP. Ships I can swap out quickly and cheaply, but implants are a big pain to swap between and not only are they more expensive then anything I would fly into PvP, but they directly impact learning time...
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Printer Jam
Printer Repair and Maintenance Specialists
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Posted - 2010.01.25 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lt Angus wars are good for cleaning house of the rif raff
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Birdman Ravo
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Posted - 2010.01.25 20:56:00 -
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My $0.02
Some capsuleers, like me, take a while playing Eve to warm up to PVP. We don't get it, never done it, never had any success at all. Every real PVP encounter I've gotten into I've been ganked, lost my ship, and gotten podded before I could even count the number of ships that got me. No one wants to take up PVP when they believe every encounter is going to end like that.
You have to find a way to get our feet wet without going under. As a CEO of a tiny corp myself I just organize in-corp PVP. Grab a T1 fit frig and blow it up. Do the same thing with cruisers & destroyers. It's a meaningless financial corp write-off, but holds a lot of value as PVP experience. A little taste of success works wonders.
Regarding your booted corp member, I say stop worrying about it. He ran & hid when he should have gotten his hands dirty. If the ship was that important he should have just asked for an expendable one from the corp. If the implants are that important, he should jump clone to a blank. He didn't contribute when the corp needed him. Period.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.01.25 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: James Tritanius on 25/01/2010 21:16:00 I disagree with you. I think you went off the handle.
In my opinion, let him play however he wants to play. Since he was new, you probably didn't invest too much into him. It's understandable that he doesn't want to lose his shiny new ship and implants over a couple of players he just met. To be honest, he wouldn't have helped much against your war targets anyway. If you don't want him in your corp, then don't accept him back. Don't throw a hissy fit.
Originally by: Printer Jam
Originally by: Lt Angus wars are good for cleaning house of the rif raff
/thread
That, I can agree with.
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NyteTyger
Gallente NiteSun Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.01.25 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Nekopyat
Originally by: NyteTyger
And if you don't know how to save a pod, you should stick to station trading.
To be fair, not everyone can save their pod. Depending on their rig and connection it is not guaranteed, even in high-sec, that they can get away in time.
While rare, I have had instances where I have lost my ship AND pod before my session even loaded when leaving station, and lag has nearly cost me quite a few.
This is what personally keeps me out of PvP. Ships I can swap out quickly and cheaply, but implants are a big pain to swap between and not only are they more expensive then anything I would fly into PvP, but they directly impact learning time...
I understand the loss of implants, I've lost some + 4 and +5 sets over time, and yeah, it stings.
Of course, my answer to that was to spend 16m 50s training Infomorph Psychology for a blank jump clone.
It requires nothing more than a few minutes of time. So, it is simply an excuse for this guy to tuck his tail and run. He had no valid reason for bailing on his corpmates. He was simply a coward.
I understand not wanting to PvP and lose your stuff, but when the corp needs you, and pays for the ship, and you still run? That's just a matter of the yellow stripe running down his back.
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It's a do or die universe, so you better damn well choose between one or the other. |
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Lord Xantoh
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Posted - 2010.01.25 21:55:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Xantoh on 25/01/2010 21:56:11
Originally by: Taharqua10 As the CEO of an expanding corporation & fighting a number of simultaeonous wardecs we need all hands to the pumps-everybody fights & nobody runs. ... Upon reflection- have I been too harsh- what does the forum think of this behaviour?
You have been way to nice.
If I were in your shoes, this is what I'd done: 1. Convince him to join back (telling him that the wars have been finished or a truce been declared). 2. Go out with him and some mates (at least one of them must be able to fast-lock a pod e.g. with frig and sensor booster) on some mission which is actually a safespot of yours. 3. 1st Lesson he will be taught about lack of loyalty: losing his ship to those he betrayed 4. 2nd lesson, losing his implants...
On my main we had some guy who more or less stole 200mill and always tried to convince us that he didn't steal it and he had nothing left. After a couple days, we (the corp I was in) then scammed him into investing into a last minute deal where everyone would get T2 ships for very cheap. Out of "nowhere", he could invest the money! We took it, blew his ship up, his pod and booted him from our corp.
It's one thing to leave a corp when you are not ready yet for war but then to slowly crawl back when the storm is over is one sad display of cowardness. You either seek a player corp with all its risks or you stay in your warm and fuzzy npc corp. (like I do on this alt currently) :P
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Sloth Arnini
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 22:11:00 -
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Getting worked up doesn't help matters, but you did the right thing telling him to **** off. Feel free to insult his manhood etc, but refrain from letting your emotions get the better of you ;)
Incidentally, most of the FCs I've flown with spend half their time berating their fleets. Seems to work quite well. Don't be afraid to give anyone a tongue lashing if they deserve it.
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Ceyna Lakise
Gallente Spartan Shipyards
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Posted - 2010.01.25 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: drones man - He has very little loyalty to the corp.
- He will probably not be an asset to the corp in a PvP situation.
- He needs to grow a pair
I think you made the right decision.
Lol at people with loyalty in video games, or in irl
Ya having any kind of good virtue irl is bad, right? what kids think is cool...*sigh*
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hoodie scaryguy
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Posted - 2010.01.25 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: hoodie scaryguy on 25/01/2010 22:30:02
Originally by: Taharqua10
I don't want to risk my implants.
LOL great stuff share his name on this forum so we can wardec whatever corp he joins!
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Doomed Predator
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.01.25 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Genya Arikaido GRILL AND FRY THE CAREBEAR!!!
The 'Fendahlian Collective' strikes again |
Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.01.25 22:31:00 -
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Back when me and a friend were running a mostly carebear corp, we had a couple members who did that to us. My co-ceo hated them for it, and refused to let them back into the corp.
Few years later, we run into them, this time they're in another corp, slightly larger than ours.
My co-ceo says "Hey let's go break their corp"
We wardec them, and break their corp.
The end.
The moral of the story is: Don't leave a corp to avoid a wardec and then ask to be let back in, it tends to **** CEOs off. |
Ranger 1
Amarr Dynaverse Corporation Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2010.01.25 23:15:00 -
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Quote: This is what personally keeps me out of PvP. Ships I can swap out quickly and cheaply, but implants are a big pain to swap between and not only are they more expensive then anything I would fly into PvP, but they directly impact learning time...
I'm assuming that last bit is to justify not getting a jump clone with cheaper implants to use for combat.
Well, to each his own but honestly, if keeping your training going at absolute peak efficiency all the time is more important that actually playing the game either your priorities are a bit fubar... or its just an excuse.
I'm just sayin'... ===== If you go to Za'Ha'Dum I will gank you. |
Shawna Gray
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.25 23:30:00 -
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No need to be angry but you did the right thing in not letting him back in.
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Xanatia
Vengeance Imperium Federal Republic
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Posted - 2010.01.26 00:29:00 -
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Being the Target of a war clears your ranks of the rif raf, freeloaders and risk averse carebears. With eve being such an aggressive game, only the corps that are prepared meet threats head on can really expect to prosper in the long term. I've seen 'Carebear' Corporations fight with more spirit than 'PvP' Corporations simply because they were prepared to support each other through adversity.
Your war has removed one waste of space from your corporation, you are better off without him, and if anyone else leaves, you are better off without them as well, because what will be left at the end of the day, is a tough, close knit group of players who depend upon, and support each other. Winning or losing is irrelevant, your corp spirit is what counts
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2010.01.26 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Nekopyat on 26/01/2010 01:01:52
Originally by: NyteTyger
Of course, my answer to that was to spend 16m 50s training Infomorph Psychology for a blank jump clone.
If I recall correctly, does not that require an 8+ standings? Not that hard to get I agree, but if this person was indeed a young player scared of even loosing a low end ship then they might not have access to jumpclones yet.
And of course there is that annoying jump cooldown time. I think that is one of the big risk/reward problems with PvP in general. You have to choose between slower learning + PvP or faster learning and PvE.
Quote: He was simply a coward.
This is, of course, quite possible ^_^. I do not seek to defend the specific player, just one piece of the person's argument.
Originally by: Ranger 1
Well, to each his own but honestly, if keeping your training going at absolute peak efficiency all the time is more important that actually playing the game either your priorities are a bit fubar... or its just an excuse.
I do play. I just do not PvP. I tried it and found it pointless so I went and did other things.
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