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Alater Caedo
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: Alater Caedo on 25/01/2010 04:33:03
it's lulzy.
Also, if I want to invest in something and haven't posted on MD before, who are you all to call me out about my investments?
get lives etc. virtual money does crazy things to people.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:35:00 -
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We call you out because we're holding the isk? If you can't handle the question or the flaming, then look elsewhere
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ThaDollaGenerale
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson We call you out because we're holding the isk? If you can't handle the question or the flaming, then look elsewhere
How does one hold the isk if their accounts have been cleaned out and banned?
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:40:00 -
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Originally by: ThaDollaGenerale
Originally by: Brock Nelson We call you out because we're holding the isk? If you can't handle the question or the flaming, then look elsewhere
How does one hold the isk if their accounts have been cleaned out and banned?
That's not the point
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Alater Caedo
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:41:00 -
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Edited by: Alater Caedo on 25/01/2010 04:45:32
.. you're misunderstanding my point, I've seen plenty of people get *****ed at on the grounds of "never posting on MD" or "BEING AN ALT!!!!1ONEONE!"
If someone wants to put money in to an investment and is new to the game (that is, the market game) people find it necessary to butt in and ostracize people, and by doing so potentially alienating investors. My shares or buy in on an investment are worth just as much as someone who has posted on MD 14,000 times.
edit: everyone activate your thermic hardeners, I'm bracing for some FLAME......
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:47:00 -
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I mis-read, my apologizes. To what thread did you get flamed on? Seems strange that someone who wants to invest gets flamed on.
Closed until further notice
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SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Alater Caedo Edited by: Alater Caedo on 25/01/2010 04:42:58 .. you're misunderstanding my point, I've seen plenty of people get *****ed at on the grounds of "never posting on MD" or "BEING AN ALT!!!!1ONEONE!"
If someone wants to put money in to an investment and is new to the game (that is, the market game) people find it necessary to butt in and ostracize people, and by doing so potentially alienating investors. My shares or buy in on an investment are worth just as much as someone who has posted on MD 14,000 times.
I agree, especially because a lot of big genuine investors do use alts to invest. However, scammers also use alts to pump up their offers. It's a fine line, and usually more a matter of timing than anything.
It would be great if scammers didn't abuse the alt system, and also great if we were perfect at identifying their efforts. If you have some input as to how we can better distinguish the scam alts, please share. As is, we do the best we can, and I'd rather miscall genuine investors than ignore the intuitive strength of identifying scams through suspicious alt-posting.
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Throckbane
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:51:00 -
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Alater Caedo, there is a simple solution to this problem.
You can fight against the snoobby elites by investing in those poor helpless people who can't get loans.
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RaWBLooD
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:51:00 -
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Hi I am going to block people and say they were being an ******* whenever they are right, since obviously anyone talking about correct information is being an ******* by showing me evidence.
Just kidding, come to Freeport's 12 bar and you won't have to deal with elitism. miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away |
Alater Caedo
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Brock Nelson I mis-read, my apologizes. To what thread did you get flamed on? Seems strange that someone who wants to invest gets flamed on.
None in particular, I (and I'm sure there are a few others out there who would agree) would just be glad if everyone in MD were not so suspicious. We're all in it to make ISK aye? I can understand if a scam is possible in a situation or whatever. But there are multiple examples of what I'm talking about on page 1 of ED, just read through some threads.
tl;dr: don't rip every new investor a new ******* to go along with it
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc SRS.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: Alater Caedo
Originally by: Brock Nelson I mis-read, my apologizes. To what thread did you get flamed on? Seems strange that someone who wants to invest gets flamed on.
None in particular, I (and I'm sure there are a few others out there who would agree) would just be glad if everyone in MD were not so suspicious. We're all in it to make ISK aye? I can understand if a scam is possible in a situation or whatever. But there are multiple examples of what I'm talking about on page 1 of ED, just read through some threads.
tl;dr: don't rip every new investor a new ******* to go along with it
I don't rip new investors a new one, in fact I encourage them to get more involved with investment. It's just those who are just getting their feet wet as IPO or bond manager that can't handle the flaming mainly because they don't realize that its us that they're asking isk from.
Closed until further notice
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.25 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Alater Caedo Edited by: Alater Caedo on 25/01/2010 04:45:32
.. you're misunderstanding my point, I've seen plenty of people get *****ed at on the grounds of "never posting on MD" or "BEING AN ALT!!!!1ONEONE!"
If someone wants to put money in to an investment and is new to the game (that is, the market game) people find it necessary to butt in and ostracize people, and by doing so potentially alienating investors. My shares or buy in on an investment are worth just as much as someone who has posted on MD 14,000 times.
edit: everyone activate your thermic hardeners, I'm bracing for some FLAME......
I doubt most bond/IPO launchers care who their investors are.
It is usually the people who try to raise money who get questioned/attacked/flamed/trolled/whatever..
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Hippopotamus Rex
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Posted - 2010.01.25 05:26:00 -
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To be fair though, being accused of being an alt actually has little to do with you. Its directed more at the main you are accused of being the alt for. If you are falsely accused of being an Riethe alt, for example, its about Riethe, not you. No one is actually saying the person sitting at their keyboard is a biological alt of the person that owns the Riethe account.
There are a lot more pressing things to get upset about. Especially since everyone follows the same path - start as a new MD poster, gets mad at how the old guard treats new players with suspicion, eventually gets recognized as their own person, becomes integrated, starts looking at new "players" popping up suspiciously....
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SetrakDark
Caldari DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.01.25 05:28:00 -
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Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex To be fair though, being accused of being an alt actually has little to do with you. Its directed more at the main you are accused of being the alt for. If you are falsely accused of being an Riethe alt, for example, its about Riethe, not you. No one is actually saying the person sitting at their keyboard is a biological alt of the person that owns the Riethe account.
There are a lot more pressing things to get upset about. Especially since everyone follows the same path - start as a new MD poster, gets mad at how the old guard treats new players with suspicion, eventually gets recognized as their own person, becomes integrated, starts looking at new "players" popping up suspiciously....
hmmm....
what's your angle?
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Katiana Swan
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Posted - 2010.01.25 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Alater Caedo would just be glad if everyone in MD were not so suspicious.
People can be suspicious if they like. You, as an investor, have the option of choosing where you put your money. Just because a few people say scam or that something is dodgy doesn't mean you can't invest.
Make your own decisions based on the information available. If you don't like the quality of the information or research do your own. This is basically the choice I made when investing in Satanes offering regardless of the fact that probably 95% of people were calling it dodgy or a scam.
I wasn't comfortable with the level of research done so I done my own. Based on my own conclusions I made a decision to invest. No-one has told me off for investing in Satane and I honestly wouldn't care even if they did. Who I choose to invest in is my choice.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.01.25 05:41:00 -
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I started to post an argument.... but I've decided I'm far too elite for this thread.
/finger
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Dzil
Caldari Greyhound investments
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Posted - 2010.01.25 05:58:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 I started to post an argument.... but I've decided I'm far too elite for this thread.
/finger
/obligatory agree for free rep.
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Alater Caedo
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Posted - 2010.01.25 06:00:00 -
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Edited by: Alater Caedo on 25/01/2010 06:00:30
Originally by: SetrakDark
Originally by: Hippopotamus Rex To be fair though, being accused of being an alt actually has little to do with you. Its directed more at the main you are accused of being the alt for. If you are falsely accused of being an Riethe alt, for example, its about Riethe, not you. No one is actually saying the person sitting at their keyboard is a biological alt of the person that owns the Riethe account.
There are a lot more pressing things to get upset about. Especially since everyone follows the same path - start as a new MD poster, gets mad at how the old guard treats new players with suspicion, eventually gets recognized as their own person, becomes integrated, starts looking at new "players" popping up suspiciously....
hmmm....
what's your angle?
I guess I'll just have to play along with the process for now.
I still find it funny that even with all of this suspicion people get ripped off for billions of ISK.
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cosmoray
Bella Vista Holdings Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.25 06:02:00 -
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Welcome to the Layer Cake
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Kalrand
Charles Ponzi School of Business GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2010.01.25 06:06:00 -
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This is where I would normally troll you.
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Hippopotamus Rex
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Posted - 2010.01.25 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Alater Caedo I still find it funny that even with all of this suspicion people get ripped off for billions of ISK.
More sad really. I understand your frustration, but scamming is so perverse throughout MD and Eve that it taints everything. I personally believe that the extreme skepticism is a necessary evil. If MD lightens up, more people scam. Not that it prevents a whole lot, but at least it keeps out the lazy scammers.
I could be wrong, and perhaps openness is the way to go, but I doubt it.
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Throckbane
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Posted - 2010.01.25 06:14:00 -
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Alater Caedo, thank you for your enlightening posts. I can see already that the MD Elites have seen the errors of their ways, and we are one step closer to letting more people get loans without careful scrutiny. I'm glad to see that this problem has been dealt with.
On a personal note Alater, I have some great ideas for T2 battleship market manipulation, so if you could wire me half of your current balance I will make it worth your while. Together we will prove that the MD Elites have been wrong all along.
Fight the power!
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Roger Kiyosaki
Community for Active Tax Evasion
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Posted - 2010.01.25 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Wikipedia Elitism is the belief or attitude that those individuals who are considered members of the elite ù a select group of people with outstanding personal abilities, intellect, wealth, specialized training or experience, or other distinctive attributes ù are those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight or those who view their own views as so; whose views and/or actions are most likely to be constructive to society as a whole; or whose extraordinary skills, abilities or wisdom render them especially fit to govern.
Bolded the important part. You choose to believe or not. Choose wisely, young pavian.
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July83
Styg Enterprise
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:13:00 -
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Just checking my post count
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Roguehalo
Caldari Resonance Laboratories
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:21:00 -
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Ever since Fbank/Ebank/Dbank "md elite" has been virtually wiped out and could definitely now be considered to be an endangered species.
Could we open up some kind of Sanctuary where the last few surviving md elite could be turned out to live out their remaining days in peace and free from the likes of Riethe etc?
Perhaps Cista2 could make it his next project.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2010.01.25 12:45:00 -
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As structure arises and an abundance of offerings is present, there will not be any elite. MD will go from being one large "island"(Community) to a platform for many different "groups" of people to interact.
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.01.25 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Roguehalo Ever since Fbank/Ebank/Dbank "md elite" has been virtually wiped out and could definitely now be considered to be an endangered species.
Lol this. Now its more like the old timers with lots of funds at their disposal and everyone else. And it's perfectly reasonable that those with more funds have more influence becasue its their money that pays for things generally. You want elite status? Get rich. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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Alater Caedo
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Posted - 2010.01.25 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Throckbane Alater Caedo, thank you for your enlightening posts. I can see already that the MD Elites have seen the errors of their ways, and we are one step closer to letting more people get loans without careful scrutiny. I'm glad to see that this problem has been dealt with.
On a personal note Alater, I have some great ideas for T2 battleship market manipulation, so if you could wire me half of your current balance I will make it worth your while. Together we will prove that the MD Elites have been wrong all along.
Fight the power!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLLLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL
a+ post would read again.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.01.25 18:45:00 -
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Quote:
You want elite status? Get rich.
What you have got is not a meter of who you are imho.
I think most of the richest on Earth would be humbled by i.e. Mother Teresa of Calcutta and unlike her, they are not worth mentioning and much less remembering. That makes her a case of being "elite", in the good sense of it. And the others, they are just forgettable rubble. Rich rubble, but still...
- Auditing and consulting
Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
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Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
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Posted - 2010.01.25 19:27:00 -
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Mother Teresa? Um... I think you are assuming this thread and my response encompasses far more then it actually does. -Jin Nib Trading on behalf of Opera Noir since: 2009.03.02 03:53:00
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