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Mordecan
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Posted - 2010.01.15 14:38:00 -
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hi,
i thought (and read on these forums) that rp/day depends among other things on negotiation skill level.
now i have 2 characters with same science skill level and different negotiation level (4 and 5) and they both get same rp/day with the same agent.
can someone post exact formula or skills that rp/day depend on? saves me a lot of training time...
thanks in advance
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.15 17:26:00 -
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RP/day = field modifier * (1+EQ/100) * (agent level + science level)^2
EQ = base agent quality + 5 * negotiations skill level
So, basically, each additional level of nego should translate into roughly 5% extra RP/day (would depend on base quality and current nego level).
If you have the same agent giving out the EXACT same number of RP/day (including decimal points) for two characters with the same science skill level but different nego skill levels, something's wrong.
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Mordecan
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Posted - 2010.01.15 18:03:00 -
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yes i have. and i have a problem, so it seems :(((
Char A - Molecular Engineering V
- Negotiation V
- agent Qerray Cherti lvl4 (Carthum Conglomerate)
rp/day: 105.30
Char B - Molecular Engineering V
- Negotiation IV (training to V, 7 days to go)
- agent Qerray Cherti lvl4 (Carthum Conglomerate)
rp/day: 105.30
so, this is it.
should i petition? or? anyone with similar problem?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.15 19:08:00 -
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Qerray Cherti, L4 Q+10, L5 science ?
L4 nego : 105.3 RP/day
L5 nego : 109.35 RP/day
For some reason, your L5 nego acts like a L4 on that character.
If you finished training it very recently, it could be a client-side cache issue - log out, clear the machonet subfolder in the cache folder, log back in, see if it displays the correct number ; maybe do that again after the next downtime ?
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Future Mutant
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.01.15 19:21:00 -
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Its also possible that agents dont "update" their rp/ hour based on skills that change after the research was started.
It may be necessary to stop the researching- and restart it- to get it to use the current skill set in the calculations.
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Hallan De'estus
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Posted - 2010.01.15 20:03:00 -
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Thanks to all for starting this thread - many of my questions were answered here!
I'll soon have access to R&D agents and will be working up the requisite Science Skills.
Is there any definitive source on the implications if requisite Science Skills are increasing.... similar situation to the OP where Negotiation will soon go from IV to V?
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.15 20:21:00 -
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I never had to stop research, a downtime and/or a cache clear always had it update to where it should have been without even going near the agent.
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ChaoticDemon
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Posted - 2010.01.15 22:36:00 -
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You have to talk to the agent after skills change for it to update
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.15 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: ChaoticDemon
You have to talk to the agent after skills change for it to update
No, you don't.
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Mordecan
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Posted - 2010.01.16 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Qerray Cherti, L4 Q+10, L5 science ?
L4 nego : 105.3 RP/day
L5 nego : 109.35 RP/day
For some reason, your L5 nego acts like a L4 on that character.
If you finished training it very recently, it could be a client-side cache issue - log out, clear the machonet subfolder in the cache folder, log back in, see if it displays the correct number ; maybe do that again after the next downtime ?
i tried to do as instructed above, no help unfortunately :(
cleared the machonet folder, logged in after, still shows 105.30
i'll try again after downtime.
it wasn't recently trained to negotiation V, it's been several months :(
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Julius Burnem
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Posted - 2010.01.16 17:42:00 -
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From your journal just talk to each agent via remote , updates pc o cake :)
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Avalon Champion
Gallente Defence Evaluation Research Agency
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Posted - 2010.01.16 18:11:00 -
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Edited by: Avalon Champion on 16/01/2010 18:12:04
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: ChaoticDemon
You have to talk to the agent after skills change for it to update
No, you don't.
Akita, when there is a change in Negotiation you do have to speak to the agent, if its an increase in the relevant Science skill its auto updated.
I had the same think on one of my R&D toons, as soon as i spoke to the agent following the increase in the Negotiation skill, the RP's increased to the correct value.
Its possible its a bug, or working as intended, who knows.....
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Mordecan
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Posted - 2010.01.17 01:12:00 -
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you guys were right, i just talked to agent and rp/day changed from 105.30 to 109.35 :)
thanks all!
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Rip Minner
Gallente
Balthizar Drako Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.17 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Future Mutant
Its also possible that agents dont "update" their rp/ hour based on skills that change after the research was started.
It may be necessary to stop the researching- and restart it- to get it to use the current skill set in the calculations.
This is the most likely cause.
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Avalon Champion
Gallente Defence Evaluation Research Agency
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Posted - 2010.01.17 08:40:00 -
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Glad to hear you have it sorted Mordecan. 
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.01.17 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Avalon Champion
when there is a change in Negotiation you do have to speak to the agent, if its an increase in the relevant Science skill its auto updated
Gah... that explains the contradictions... leave it for CCP to make it double-obfuscated 
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.01.18 00:13:00 -
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I'm updating the Research Agent guide to reflect this discussion.
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Meiskon
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Posted - 2010.01.25 21:47:00 -
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Edited by: Meiskon on 25/01/2010 21:53:38
5 minutes ago I went from negotiation 4 to 5, and started talking to my research agents from the journal. The RP/day did NOT change. The first one I spoke to in person, where I happened to be docked, the rate increased in my journal (from 25 to 26.25). Am now flying to the others to get the RP increase.
Edit: In an effort to give more info, I stopped before docking at the next agent on my list to log out and back in to the game. No effect. I don't know how/where to play with whatever cache was listed above, so I did not try that.
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Patri Andari
Thukker Tribe Antiquities Importer
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Posted - 2010.01.26 01:01:00 -
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Research agents are bad. They take your dreams and make them forfeit. I suggest you avoid them at all costs. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
p.s. train rocket science if you must use them.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Revelation Space
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Posted - 2010.01.26 11:49:00 -
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I'd also recommend Plasma Physics 
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