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The marketmagicmaker
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Posted - 2010.01.07 15:55:00 -
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Hulkageddon shmulkageddon, leaving aside the rights/wrongs whatevers of hisec ganking (each to their own I say) one thing has struck me about this.
Concord blow up ships for engaging in criminal activity, said criminal is then instantly recompensed for the loss?
Imagine the R/L police coming round and kicking down a drug dealers door with a big shiney metal key with handles. How far do you think said drug dealer would get claiming on his buildings insurance, no matter how comprehensive?
Or a guy who's car gets trashed while he's trying to escape from a police pursuit? I suspect it would come to no more than a good after dinner story for the insurance rep.
Let folk suicide gank in hisec if they want. It just seems incredible that they then get paid for losses incurred.
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:00:00 -
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Nope insurance should be completely removed as "insurance fruad" of self destructing ships is equally unrealistic.
Eve should not be risk free for pirate nor carebear. PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
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Jonny 101
Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:02:00 -
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Hulks are unrealistic, imagine space ships flying about in real life mining asteroids?
Asteroids are LETHAL and our spaceships can't even TRAVEL at warp speed, and even if they did the asteroids would SHRED them as they go about in space! not to MENTION how asteroid belts never move?!
Let high sec mining be possible, but only after an extensive space-program and then to keep it realistic, use the nasa moon missions retrival of moon rocks as a base for cargo capacity and cost ccp! Signature needs to be more EVE related. Zymurgist |
The marketmagicmaker
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:07:00 -
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Insurance fraud should work itself out once the mineral basket rebalances (especially if as many hulks as they hope vanish in a puff of inattentive unaligned howls of grief)and it does take a fair bit of work to actually commit large enough to show significant profit. Theres also the fact that new players who get unlucky are wiped out by and certainly arent gonna go roaming losec/engaging pvp. Its more the specific instance of being paid for losses when you incur the wrath of the authorities. What next, insurance for CCP banning your account and taking away your precious RMT iskies? not likely. Make criminals pay the full price for their actions.
Oof, I just realized Im starting to sound like a tory
/*****slap self
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Junko Togawa
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:23:00 -
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Boring troll is boring.
Nevertheless, I agree. Nerf all playstyles other than mine, cos it's what the rest of EVE wants done to the game.
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jimmyjam
Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2010.01.07 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: The marketmagicmaker Hulkageddon shmulkageddon, leaving aside the rights/wrongs whatevers of hisec ganking (each to their own I say) one thing has struck me about this.
Concord blow up ships for engaging in criminal activity, said criminal is then instantly recompensed for the loss?
Imagine the R/L police coming round and kicking down a drug dealers door with a big shiney metal key with handles. How far do you think said drug dealer would get claiming on his buildings insurance, no matter how comprehensive?
Or a guy who's car gets trashed while he's trying to escape from a police pursuit? I suspect it would come to no more than a good after dinner story for the insurance rep.
Let folk suicide gank in hisec if they want. It just seems incredible that they then get paid for losses incurred.
Check check this is game not RL dont apply RL stuff to this game it does not work.
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The marketmagicmaker
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:12:00 -
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Quote: Check check this is game not RL dont apply RL stuff to this game it does not work.
Touche'
So, A corporation (pend insurance) which works closely and in aggreement with the SCC (a subdivision of concord)recompenses criminals for the actions of their partners (concord)
Nitpicking aside, it allows characters to indulge in criminal activity with no real repercussions. There is ofc sec status loss, and Im sure that thought really upsets the likes of Helicity and others who's sec status went **** up a long time ago.
IM not saying that suicide ganking should be stopped, far from it. I love the fact this game allows you to do pretty much anything you want up to and including attacking the police themselves. But since pretty much every other activity in this game has some risk, even in station trading, why not suicide ganking?
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Lightningshade
Caldari The Athiest Syndicate Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2010.01.07 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: The marketmagicmaker Hulkageddon shmulkageddon, leaving aside the rights/wrongs whatevers of hisec ganking (each to their own I say) one thing has struck me about this.
Concord blow up ships for engaging in criminal activity, said criminal is then instantly recompensed for the loss?
Imagine the R/L police coming round and kicking down a drug dealers door with a big shiney metal key with handles. How far do you think said drug dealer would get claiming on his buildings insurance, no matter how comprehensive?
Or a guy who's car gets trashed while he's trying to escape from a police pursuit? I suspect it would come to no more than a good after dinner story for the insurance rep.
Let folk suicide gank in hisec if they want. It just seems incredible that they then get paid for losses incurred.
I think I might be being trolled here but do you know how to use a search function? Really all your doing is bringing up the same subject time after time.
Dont even bother trying to equate this to real life, it just doesnt work.
Idiot.
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.01.07 18:07:00 -
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Insurance is to provide the poor little noobies that accidentally get their ship blown up by Concord replaced. All 300k of it. But the problem is that the same insurance is being use more commonly as a tool for greifers to replace 100M ships they use to suicide gank with. Batter to get rid of it.
Having three characters per acct was designed, I guess, to allow someone to explore different aspects of EVE without having to buy a second acct. Again it is abused by being used to recycle chars with impunity.
The two week free trial is designed to attract new customers to the game. Yet again we see it being used as a vehicle for older players to recycle grief toons.
So for the mindless that need a TL/DR:
Get rid of insurance Only one character per acct No free trails
This will bring back some balance to the game and at the same time make it the 'cold and harsh universe' that it keeps claiming to be.
Mr Epeen
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Dors Venabily
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Posted - 2010.01.07 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen Insurance is to provide the poor little noobies that accidentally get their ship blown up by Concord replaced. All 300k of it. But the problem is that the same insurance is being use more commonly as a tool for greifers to replace 100M ships they use to suicide gank with. Batter to get rid of it.
Having three characters per acct was designed, I guess, to allow someone to explore different aspects of EVE without having to buy a second acct. Again it is abused by being used to recycle chars with impunity.
The two week free trial is designed to attract new customers to the game. Yet again we see it being used as a vehicle for older players to recycle grief toons.
So for the mindless that need a TL/DR:
Get rid of insurance Only one character per acct No free trails
This will bring back some balance to the game and at the same time make it the 'cold and harsh universe' that it keeps claiming to be.
Mr Epeen
1 totally agree as for the noobs cruisers as the biggest hull to be insurable? 2 not a good idea how the hell we are supposed to get around without cyno alts? Solution would be that all characters would have in their info a tag with alt names on same account? Would not be perfect but then at least you will know who are all the characters on that particular account. 3 definitely not CCP is a biz they need them to get more ppl in the game.
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N'tek alar
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Epeen
Get rid of insurance Only one character per acct No free trails
1: Sure, As long as it's completely removed, No insurance of any kind, For anyone. 2: multiple chars per account isn't a problem, recycling alts to avoid sec status penalties is petitionable. 3: Yeah, Great idea, I'm sure that wouldn't kill the game off completely when the amount of new players drops to a fraction of what we get now >_> ------------------------- I'm not shirtless damnit! |
Ballista III
8e5T Co0pRAt10n 1n Ev3
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny 101 Hulks are unrealistic, imagine space ships flying about in real life mining asteroids?
Asteroids are LETHAL and our spaceships can't even TRAVEL at warp speed, and even if they did the asteroids would SHRED them as they go about in space! not to MENTION how asteroid belts never move?!
Let high sec mining be possible, but only after an extensive space-program and then to keep it realistic, use the nasa moon missions retrival of moon rocks as a base for cargo capacity and cost ccp!
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Mr Epeen
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Posted - 2010.01.07 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: N'tek alar
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Get rid of insurance Only one character per acct No free trails
1: Sure, As long as it's completely removed, No insurance of any kind, For anyone. 2: multiple chars per account isn't a problem, recycling alts to avoid sec status penalties is petitionable. 3: Yeah, Great idea, I'm sure that wouldn't kill the game off completely when the amount of new players drops to a fraction of what we get now >_>
1: Of course 2: While it is technically petitionable, nothing will be done as it is too hard to prove. 3: Prolly 80% of those "new players" are really just old ones. If a game can stand on it's own merits, then it doesn't need to be giving away stuff to attract new players.
Mr Epeen
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Armoured C
Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:03:00 -
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the insurance pays you for the loss of you ship
it has nothing to do with concord.
you pay that isk to the insurance company so that if or when you loose your ship they pay you back.
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Grunanca
Final Agony
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Posted - 2010.01.07 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: The marketmagicmaker Hulkageddon shmulkageddon, leaving aside the rights/wrongs whatevers of hisec ganking (each to their own I say) one thing has struck me about this.
Concord blow up ships for engaging in criminal activity, said criminal is then instantly recompensed for the loss?
Imagine the R/L police coming round and kicking down a drug dealers door with a big shiney metal key with handles. How far do you think said drug dealer would get claiming on his buildings insurance, no matter how comprehensive?
Or a guy who's car gets trashed while he's trying to escape from a police pursuit? I suspect it would come to no more than a good after dinner story for the insurance rep.
Let folk suicide gank in hisec if they want. It just seems incredible that they then get paid for losses incurred.
Confirming that a spaceship game should be compared to real laws. I also confirm that all carebears are currently on their way to Somalia to kill pirates. Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist |
Josef Serov
Amarr
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Posted - 2010.01.07 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: FunzzeR Nope insurance should be completely removed as "insurance fruad" of self destructing ships is equally unrealistic.
Eve should not be risk free for pirate nor carebear.
Too true. End insurance for suicide gankers. End insurance for self-destruct. Scale insurance according to system security level. --- "I just do what I am told. The corporation knows all, sees all, and tells very little. If we make a bad call, we can honestly say that we have acted in good consciences based on the information a |
Maximus Trollus
Amarr The Village Idiots
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Posted - 2010.01.07 22:14:00 -
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THIS IS GAME
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jarlgeir
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Posted - 2010.01.07 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: jarlgeir on 07/01/2010 22:54:24 Insurance: No payouts for ships destroyed by CONCORD or self-destructed. We dont mind suicide gankers. but there should be some risk involved.
14 day trial accounts: Not allowed for those who already have an account. Keep it for all other new players.
Recycling of alts: Allow players to recycle an alt only once every 12 months (same restriction as for reshuffling skills.
Now, can some of those elected to represent us bring this matter up with CCP at the next opportunity?
While at it, do something with the useless bounty system too.
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KapnKaboom
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2010.01.07 22:58:00 -
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Insurance needs to be removed entirely. It serves no purpose what-so-ever other than encouraging laziness and irresponsibility. Remove it and let pilots sink or swim by their own merits, not some ficticious "insurance" company that loves operating at a steep loss.
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Ospie
Core Impulse
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Posted - 2010.01.07 23:03:00 -
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I'd give up flying BC/BS's for no insurance! Would be a major buff to pirating & ransoming, would definitely force me to return to honouring ransoms.
However, I do think that young characters would deserve a little leeway, perhaps 3-6 months period where they would be able to get insurance?
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Herty
The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention
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Posted - 2010.01.08 01:25:00 -
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You do know that without suicide ganks mineral prices would drop because people wouldnt loose ships to ganks and while ganking and there would be no risk involved in mining. Freighters would be free to fly around with billions in items in their hulls without a care in the world. The economy would basically collapse because believe it or not people are buying mins to build your new hulk.
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The marketmagicmaker
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Posted - 2010.01.08 02:55:00 -
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Originally by herty
Quote: blather having nothing to do with thread
not a single post in here has opposed suicide ganking, were talking about the insurance issue.
Skimreadfail.com
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Kane Rizzel
NovaKane Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.01.08 03:05:00 -
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Wait... I can insure my ships?
A Pirates Perspective
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Herty
The Sexy Carebear Boredom Convention
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Posted - 2010.01.08 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: The marketmagicmaker Originally by herty
Quote: blather having nothing to do with thread
not a single post in here has opposed suicide ganking, were talking about the insurance issue.
Skimreadfail.com
Your a butthurt carebear crying saying nerf suicide ganking thats how it relates
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.01.08 03:09:00 -
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OP: 7/10.. Taking a very overused troll and turning it in to a successful troll is pretty pro.
Jonny: Love your response, 6/10 for that one, pity you got trolled.
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The marketmagicmaker
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Posted - 2010.01.08 03:18:00 -
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nope, never undocks carebear loving that people are out doing the thing they love, whether its blowing up hulks or mining and watching their hulks blow up, either way Im all for it.
IM guessing you just really dont get my original if (much thanks to all those who pointed out) badly posed point.
Drunk much?
Incidentally, apologies for using r/l in my OP. First forum post, I guess I misjudged the reaction to using r/l hypothetical examples to point out what seemed an unrealistic situation. I can suspend my disbelief about lazors and spaceships big as cities, but criminal activity being subsidised by an insurance company that works with the law enforcement peeps seemed a touch too far.
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Spectre Wraith
Darwin Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.08 03:24:00 -
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Your argument went out the window the moment you included a comparison to RL. Last I checked we aren't all flying around in spaceships IRL either, perhaps CCP should change this because it's just not realistic. It's a game.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.08 04:13:00 -
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How about we remove insurance entirely? Seriously. Make it REALLY hurt when a ship is lost. Make warfare real by making it hurt.
No more insurance fraud, no more pain free suicide gank, no more pain free war dec.
Make EVE truly cold, truly uncaring. It's supposed to be space and corporate/pirate/player versus player in a meat grinder. Enough of this warm tummy fuzzy wuzzy bull plop. BRING THE PAIN!!!!
Windjammer
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Steirmann
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Posted - 2010.01.08 04:13:00 -
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Insurance should be player driven, just like banks.
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Ekon Bor
Amarr Van Diemen's Demise
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Posted - 2010.01.08 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Steirmann Insurance should be a player-driven scam that no-one trusts, just like banks.
Fixed it for you.
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