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Shoen Seam Amarr Tormentum Insomniae T o r m e n t u m	Posted - 2010.01.01 12:49:00 - [1] Hi i been flying amarr until now, but i'd like to give a try to a drake for PVP in 0.0 I can not use t2 ham yet, but i can use t2 hml. Also i can fit a drake completly with t2 modules Questions: 1.- a good fit with hml while i training for hams I am thinking in 7xhml ii, small neut or nos Mids: mwd web wd 2xinvuls ii and lse Lows???? 2-3 bcu ii ??? Don't know 2.- with a HAM Drake - small neut or nos? - warp disruptor or scram? Thank you in advance and sorry for my english
superteds	Posted - 2010.01.01 13:04:00 - [2] [Drake, PVP] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Parallel Weapon Navigation Transmitter Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Small Energy Neutralizer II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Warrior II x5
Andrea Skye Caldari The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.01.01 13:05:00 - [3] Edited by: Andrea Skye on 01/01/2010 13:05:08 [Drake, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Is what i use. 414 dps, 104k ehp. passive tanks 213 dps. Need 3% cpu implant to fit.
Warhonger	Posted - 2010.01.01 17:11:00 - [4] Originally by: Shoen Seam Edited by: Shoen Seam on 01/01/2010 13:05:07 Hi i been flying amarr until now, but i'd like to give a try to a drake for solo PVP in 0.0 Originally by: Andrea Skye Edited by: Andrea Skye on 01/01/2010 13:05:08 [Drake, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Is what i use. 414 dps, 104k ehp. passive tanks 213 dps. Need 3% cpu implant to fit. you do realise that for solo pvp you still need tackle? This is what I use for pvp myself: high 7x HML II caldari navy scourge mids warp scram II 2x invul field II 10mn mwd phased weapon navigation array generation extron Large shield extender II lows: Daamge control II ballisitc control system II overdrive injector II ( got nothing else to fit there)
dtyk	Posted - 2010.01.01 17:27:00 - [5] Edited by: dtyk on 01/01/2010 17:30:47 Originally by: Warhonger Originally by: Andrea Skye Edited by: Andrea Skye on 01/01/2010 13:05:08 [Drake, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Pseudoelectron Containment Field I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Hobgoblin II x5 Is what i use. 414 dps, 104k ehp. passive tanks 213 dps. Need 3% cpu implant to fit. you do realise that for solo pvp you still need tackle? A scram does counts as tackle.
Electric Potential	Posted - 2010.01.01 17:37:00 - [6] Originally by: dtyk A scram does counts as tackle. A warp scrambler won't even grab someone at a gate. You need something with longer range.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.01 17:42:00 - [7] If you are gonna use a Scram, why not HAMs for more dps since you will be close range? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:25:00 - [8] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs If you are gonna use a Scram, why not HAMs for more dps since you will be close range? read the op
Psiri	Posted - 2010.01.01 19:41:00 - [9] Edited by: Psiri on 01/01/2010 19:42:31 Originally by: Dors Venabily Originally by: Sidus Isaacs If you are gonna use a Scram, why not HAMs for more dps since you will be close range? read the op Still doesn't matter, you should play on the strengths of your fit. Haven't set up a HML drake in ages and I don't have EFT on this machine, but something along the lines of this. DCU + BCU's T1 MWD + Warp Disruptor + X5 Web + Invuln's and LSE's 7 x HML II launchers w. CN ammo, Small Neut or Nos 5 x Warrior II EDIT: 2 x EM-resistance + 1 x Thermal resistance rigs, or 3 x Extender rigs if you're feeling rich. I'm not sure how well CPU holds out, may have to resort to using a named disruptor to save CPU shrug.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.01.01 20:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Dors Venabily Originally by: Sidus Isaacs If you are gonna use a Scram, why not HAMs for more dps since you will be close range? read the op You do not need T2 HAMs on a Drake, besideds if you wan not fit HAM as you want yet, play to HM strengths instead :) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html

Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.01.02 00:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs You do not need T2 HAMs on a Drake, besideds if you wan not fit HAM as you want yet, play to HM strengths instead :) You don't need t2 HAM's, no. The fit works with named/faction, but it is bloody useful to load up Javs and spank that Vaga kiting you at 22km. Also, HML's do have one VERY big advantage apart from the obvious one of range: FoF missiles. Stunningly useful, despite the low raw dps, for burning straight into that annoying Falcon and removing him from existence while he cries "HAX" in local. So basically: HAM's: High damage, weaker against smaller targets, short range slightly compensated for with Javelin missiles. HML's: Lower damage (but you can still get decent numbers), better against smaller targets (less of an issue since you'll overpower anything smaller than you with either type), long range and the ability to at least shoot SOMETHING when eleven Falcons decloak on you. Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Dyphorus	Posted - 2010.01.02 06:26:00 - [12] The one real issue with fitting heavies for solo PvP.... You need to be in warp disruptor range (preferable scram range), which basically puts you in HAM range so there's no reason to fit heavies. This said, go with which ever allows you to put out more DPS, which should be HAMs unless your HAM skills really suck.
Cpl Punnishment Caldari Steel Fleet Ocularis Inferno	Posted - 2010.01.02 06:54:00 - [13] I would suggest using 3 BCUs, and DC in the Lows. 2 Invuls, LSE, Disruptor, MWD, and SB with Scan Res script in the Mids. 7 HML and some sort of something for heat sink in the highs. For rigs I would use 1 EM resist Rig and 2 EXT rigs as this generally gives better results than three EXT rigs, although this is situational. Carry Warrior IIs or ECM Drones to taste. May want to go with ECM if solo. This gives you a bit more options to decide to stick with the fight or GTFO and regroup. This fit requires 3% CPU implant and the Fleeting disruptor to work, but will give you a good shot at catching more targets with the SB. Maybe set up a Drag Bubble off a gate. Until you feel comfy, try a system with long distances from gate to gate to decide how much you want to commit to the "solo" fight. When you see local Bloom... Make the ECM drones their work. Align to safe spot, get jam, warp off. Don't forget to overload if you need to. Carry repair paste. Have several safe BMs and Secondary Warp points off gates, and see what you can kill. I would argue that a SB HM Drake can catch more ships, and that overall, the HAM Drake is a better Gank platform. HAM Drake= Better overall Gank DPS for SOLO situations. Fitting... Same Idea as above, depending on PG implant, 2 BCUs, PDU, and DCU in the Lows, Same mids, but drop the SB for X5 Web, and now you can fit an online module in the utility low, (NOS). If you don't want to use the 3% PG implant for the HAM drake and use one PDU and similar tank to the HM version, you get something close to a 81K HP Drake. Not bad for a gank BC. Just note that while it's better overall, the HAM Drake can have a harder time taking down smaller SIG targets with HAMs. To implant or not to implant??? that is the question... So in order to be all that you can be in a Drake, I would always argue that 3 BCUs are better than 2. In order to achieve these fits with 3 BCUs, generally you need a 3% CPU (for HM) and 3% PG (for HAM) Fits. Generally I roll with a HM Drake with CPU implant. When I feel like using a HAM DRAKE instead of worrying about implants, I just swap one of the BCUs out for a PDU. Once you decide if you like the HM Or HAM Drake for what you are trying to do, you can look into going with the implants for ease of max fitting. Pros and Cons... Disruptor vs. Scram= You will catch more targets with a Disruptor, but holding on to them is harder. Scram you will catch fewer, but they have a harder time getting away. HM vs. HAM= HM better range and damage against smaller sig targets, vs. HAMs raw DPS combined with web is nothing to sneeze at. 3 BCUs vs. 2= I would always argue 3 are better than 2, but I have seen 2 work very well. Its not that the drake has OMFG DPS, but combined with its tank, It can be a hard nut to crack. I would prefer to stick with the 3 BCUs for the lows for the HM version. Once you get to the HAM version, you can get away with 2 BCUs, a DCU, and a PDU for less Gank/more tank option that still works rather well. Damage Drones Vs ECM=this can go either way. It always seems that wanting what you don't have loaded will be the mode of the day, but for solo, ECM can be nice. In some cases it can save your bacon, In other ways it may give you the pause in incoming DPS that you need to take down the target. But warriors are not bad either. Hope this helps out a bit, Drake Power! Cpl Punnishment
Shoen Seam Amarr Tormentum Insomniae T o r m e n t u m	Posted - 2010.01.02 10:13:00 - [14] Thanks all of you for the help and usefull info. Now it is time to try it out in game. I usually fly amarr and always see the drake like a meh ship, but with a closer look i realise it is a very good ship and cheap wich is important. Thanks you.


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