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Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:22:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
So it's ok for CCP to gift it's pet players billions in isk in the form of T2BPO but when goons take you to the cleaners using brains they did wrong? Ehm no I'm glad CCP now knows what it's like to be an EVE inventor getting ripped off while trying to do an honest days work.
+10 Internet Points to you good sir! I have heard these silly accusations over and over that CCP secretly answers to Goons and their leader Mittens, and that all of CCP secretly play Eve as part of the GSF. But you are the first that I've seen with the silly accusation that CCP hates GSF and is actively trying to sabotage them. Way to be a trail blazer!
If you are only trollin though I am going to need those internet points back. Serious internet points only go to serious posts. |

Groperson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:22:00 -
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As an organisation CCP could do well to learn a few things from Goonswarm, we have a more functional management structure, an effective IT infrastructure, real legal resources, and a better understanding of your game fofofofofofofofofofo :smug: |

corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
467
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:26:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGGVt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. So it's ok for CCP to gift it's pet players billions in isk in the form of T2BPO but when goons take you to the cleaners using brains they did wrong? Ehm no I'm glad CCP now knows what it's like to be an EVE inventor getting ripped off while trying to do an honest days work. Good Job goons, keep it up. You fight for the common EVE player against CCP and the pets. Burn New Eden in the name of the helpless. Goons have stolen CCP's silver spoon that they use to feed their pets and CCP is pissed off, good work goons!
Spawning a T2 BPO is pretty clear cut, you know. |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
891
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:28:00 -
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corestwo wrote:Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Ituhata Saken wrote:Dearest Market-Interested Space Tycoons,
At downtime today we made an adjustment to the average price of some items in order to curb a situation whereby the average price of an item could be manipulated in order to create a disparity between the value of an item in Isk and its value in Loyalty Point payouts. There will be additional changes in how this system works in the future. We will be monitoring for attempted manipulation of the LP market and will reverse any proceeds deemed to have been obtained through manipulative means. We are watching you. DonGGVt be That Guy.
By way of explanation we addressed the manipulation issue but haven't yet completed the investigation into the scope of the abuse. Once that happens I'm pretty sure some people are going to be a bit less smug about the money they made that one time when there was a bank error in their favor and then lost again when the bank fixed the glitch. So it's ok for CCP to gift it's pet players billions in isk in the form of T2BPO but when goons take you to the cleaners using brains they did wrong? Ehm no I'm glad CCP now knows what it's like to be an EVE inventor getting ripped off while trying to do an honest days work. Good Job goons, keep it up. You fight for the common EVE player against CCP and the pets. Burn New Eden in the name of the helpless. Goons have stolen CCP's silver spoon that they use to feed their pets and CCP is pissed off, good work goons! Spawning a T2 BPO is pretty clear cut, you know.
I think it was eleven. 
EDIT: Just looked it up, looks like it was eight. Still. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
107
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:30:00 -
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emergent game play \o/ |

Kethe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:30:00 -
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LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/ |

Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:32:00 -
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Kethe wrote:LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/
I know you're jelly 'cuz jam don't shake like that. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1161
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:32:00 -
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Kethe wrote:It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned
where a rogue goon |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3708
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:33:00 -
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Kethe wrote:LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/ where do crazy people keep getting this 300t number from |

Lord Zim
903
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:35:00 -
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Kethe wrote:LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/ The only tears I've seen seem to be yours. |
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Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:35:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Kethe wrote:LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/ where do crazy people keep getting this 300t number from
Or the loophole |

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
378
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:35:00 -
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Kethe wrote:LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/ Can't wait for the tears! Nothing Found |

Mikelii
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:36:00 -
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Saw Xenuria shitting up the thread a few pages back still trying to be relevant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7ScG8kUqrY Never Forget. |

Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
16
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:37:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Kethe wrote:It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned where
The closest Ive found:
5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.
Could be argued either way, but Im sure CCP will not do any arguing. They will just act as they see fit. |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
891
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:38:00 -
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Kethe wrote:LOL smug post about how you made 300trillion. And then cry when ccp says that they will take it all away. You used a loop hole to make the isk. It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned. Goon tears best tears \o/ You seem pretty sure of that. Show me where scams are illegal by the EULA.
Plus that money came from everybody in Eve. Giving it back seems unlikely at best. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1161
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:40:00 -
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Gaia Ma'chello wrote:The closest Ive found:
5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.
Could be argued either way, but Im sure CCP will not do any arguing. They will just act as they see fit.
that rule doesn't actually mean "you may not make any ISK" fyi a rogue goon |

Maddy Joringer
United Society of Xziles The Skeleton Crew
13
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:41:00 -
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More forum comedy ... oh the Drama... you folks(goons) should start a soap opera ... funny how some goons will go to desperately be the talk of the town .. |

Darth Gustav
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
891
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:42:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:More forum comedy ... oh the Drama... you folks(goons) should start a soap opera ... funny how some goons will go to desperately be the talk of the town .. TL;DR: Bleat. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3708
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:45:00 -
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Gaia Ma'chello wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Kethe wrote:It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned where The closest Ive found: 5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale. Could be argued either way, but Im sure CCP will not do any arguing. They will just act as they see fit. that's a bizarre rule and one anyone with two accounts flagrantly ignores, where the hell is that in the eula |

Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
378
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:47:00 -
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Maddy Joringer wrote:More forum comedy ... oh the Drama... you folks(goons) should start a soap opera ... funny how some goons will go to desperately be the talk of the town .. Content > Forum Tears Nothing Found |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
537
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:47:00 -
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Harrowedsmiley wrote:Hats off to the Goons, they did the research and therefore get the profits.
Much like Enron.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3708
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:48:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Harrowedsmiley wrote:Hats off to the Goons, they did the research and therefore get the profits. Much like Enron. hello cipher jones i am still waiting for the date when your sub runs out, to prove you were not bluffing about saying you were unsubbing
let's show the world you're serious, and not like some "pro wrestler" that's actually a fat man in a tutu playacting |

Dramaticus
Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:49:00 -
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Attention it is now against the EULA to use the market to make isk |

Ryunosuke Kusanagi
38
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:50:00 -
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this whole thread is tl:dr (did read the OP though)
so we have 1) Goons being Goons, finding a loophole in the system, and exploiting it to the nth degree 2) CCP patches Loophole 3) Goons make post of what they did 4) Pubbies cry that Goons exploited a loophole in the coding and rigged the markets, calls for bannings with thier pitchforks and torches. (ie. typical Thursday Evening in EVE online)
did I miss anything? :) |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1161
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:51:00 -
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Gaia Ma'chello wrote:5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale.
Could be argued either way, but Im sure CCP will not do any arguing. They will just act as they see fit.
also i guess i've blatantly violated that rule by teaching newbies how to scam billions from pubbies, and the same pubbies who got scammed violated the rule by sending tons of isk to them
i await my ban, CCP a rogue goon |

Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3708
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:51:00 -
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Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:this whole thread is tl:dr (did read the OP though)
so we have 1) Goons being Goons, finding a loophole in the system, and exploiting it to the nth degree 2) CCP patches Loophole 3) Goons make post of what they did 4) Pubbies cry that Goons exploited a loophole in the coding and rigged the markets, calls for bannings with thier pitchforks and torches. (ie. typical Thursday Evening in EVE online)
did I miss anything? :) suprisingly most pubbies are pretty amused rather than outraged |

ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
134
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:55:00 -
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Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:this whole thread is tl:dr (did read the OP though)
so we have 1) Goons being Goons, finding a loophole in the system, and exploiting it to the nth degree 2) CCP patches Loophole 3) Goons make post of what they did 4) Pubbies cry that Goons exploited a loophole in the coding and rigged the markets, calls for bannings with thier pitchforks and torches. (ie. typical Thursday Evening in EVE online)
did I miss anything? :)
Pretty much except: 1. Your use of the word exploit is different to the meaning that CCP use it for. 2. Goons supposedly tried to pass information regarding loophole on to CCP prior to utlising current mechanics (evidenced by twitter post - claimed by aryth) 3. The tears have been pretty limited 4. Much of the thread is Goons making many posts. |

Gogela
Direct Action LLC.
819
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:59:00 -
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Gaia Ma'chello wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Kethe wrote:It clearly states in the EULA abusing such loopholes will result in your character being banned where The closest Ive found: 5. You may not engage in any conduct that results in an Account containing items, objects, currency, character attributes, rank, or status that are inappropriate for the level or rank of the character contained in the Account, including without limitation arranging, making or accepting transfers of items to a character without adequate consideration, thereby augmenting or aggregating items in an Account and increasing its value for an Account sale. Could be argued either way, but Im sure CCP will not do any arguing. They will just act as they see fit. Yah pretty idiotic analysis. Clearly you've never read a contract before... the end of that sentence is "for an Account sale". If it can be shown that is it not "for an account sale" there isn't a violation. Of course you can exchange assets and ISK in between accounts you own. You can give ships and isk to corp members. You can give billions to a scammer in Jita for no reason at all. That is all perfectly above board. I can only extrapolate from the verbiage and context of this rule that it is meant to put limits on the people who farm alts for the purpose of resale. It has no application in this situation.
More likely if action is taken against the goons the justification will be something along the lines of exploiting (I know... I know... but that's the argument they will use) and as precedent I would google the infinity gun exploit (which has been fixed) which was a problem with CCPs math (as in this case) in certain wormholes or more likely the issue they had where POS's were completing full moon goo mining cycles at down time if configured a certain way (don't know a lot about that one but that was a straight exploit and has also been fixed).
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
537
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Posted - 2012.06.21 22:59:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:this whole thread is tl:dr (did read the OP though)
so we have 1) Goons being Goons, finding a loophole in the system, and exploiting it to the nth degree 2) CCP patches Loophole 3) Goons make post of what they did 4) Pubbies cry that Goons exploited a loophole in the coding and rigged the markets, calls for bannings with thier pitchforks and torches. (ie. typical Thursday Evening in EVE online)
did I miss anything? :) suprisingly most pubbies are pretty amused rather than outraged
Don't forget that your mother is literally a pubbie. We now return you to your regularly scheduled **** poast. |

Shepard Wong Ogeko
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.06.21 23:00:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:this whole thread is tl:dr (did read the OP though)
so we have 1) Goons being Goons, finding a loophole in the system, and exploiting it to the nth degree 2) CCP patches Loophole 3) Goons make post of what they did 4) Pubbies cry that Goons exploited a loophole in the coding and rigged the markets, calls for bannings with thier pitchforks and torches. (ie. typical Thursday Evening in EVE online)
did I miss anything? :) suprisingly most pubbies are pretty amused rather than outraged
Wait till the weekend, when the faction warfare guys realize they aren't going to get everything upgraded without the goon LP slush fund and the market for LP store items hits the floor. |
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