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Temba Ronin
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Posted - 2012.06.21 08:16:00 -
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I recently engaged a hostile attack force that tried to destroy my POS in low sec with a carrier, dread, and assorted T3 ships. Being the closest member of my Alliance to the POS at the time of the attack I manned the defenses as i called in help.
The calvary arrived in time and we did not lose any POS modules, and only the hot drop cyno ship was destroyed by the attackers.
We successfully pointed their carrier and destroyed it. \o/
Much to my surprise, as the one guy who was engaged in the fight the longest, the POS gunner did not receive credit on an 8 billion isk killmail.
I know CCP has recently granted recognition of the guys who point ships on the killmails, I do herein propose that POS gunners should be included on killmails.
Right now it just says unknown and gives the corp name and damage % inflicted. Would it be so difficult to credit kills to the people who have taken the extra time to train for the skills to defend the property of their corp/ alliance?
Seems like this is a no brainer, POS gunners fight, they do damage, and against capital ships they have a steep challenge, can someone on the CSM put this before CCP to give credit to POS gunners for kills they contribute to.
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Arduemont
Malevolent Intentions Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2012.06.21 12:01:00 -
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If it would be easy to put POS gunners on killmails I fully endorse this idea.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 05:34:00 -
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If it wouldn't be developmentally expensive, I see no reason for this not to be done. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Samillian
Moonshine Industries The Last Chancers.
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Posted - 2012.06.22 11:28:00 -
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Sounds reasonable. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2012.06.22 15:59:00 -
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I support this. If they take the initiative to defend their Corp/Alliance POS by parking their ship and taking control of the guns, I agree they deserve credit if they kill anything. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
DragonBorn Olerie
Edge of Abyss Guardian Knights Citizens
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Posted - 2012.06.22 16:56:00 -
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This seems a complete no brainer to me. Pos gunners are real players defending their property like anyone else. CCP need to sort this out asap and congrats on a successful defence! |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.06.22 18:30:00 -
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The real question is, why haven't I ever seen this brought up before? It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
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Posted - 2012.06.23 12:37:00 -
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Sometimes this is full of stupid, redundant, overly-complex, and unnecessary ideas.
This is the complete opposite of that.
It is one of the smartest, most needed, simplest, and necessary changes proposed in recent times.
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2012.06.24 17:57:00 -
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While I think this would be nice to see, I don't think CCP is likely to do any additional work on POSes, since hopefully POSes will be replaced sometime soon. CSM 7 Secretary CSM 6 Alternate Delegate @two_step_eve on Twitter My Blog
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.06.25 14:58:00 -
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Two step wrote:While I think this would be nice to see, I don't think CCP is likely to do any additional work on POSes, since hopefully POSes will be replaced sometime soon.
There will still be POS defense and I like the gunner mechanic as it stands. Hopefully they won't be throwing out the good along with the bad. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.06.25 15:04:00 -
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Two step wrote:While I think this would be nice to see, I don't think CCP is likely to do any additional work on POSes, since hopefully POSes will be replaced sometime soon. Correct; this'd be a good feature to incorporate into the replacement code though. |
Teshania
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.25 20:10:00 -
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Two step wrote:While I think this would be nice to see, I don't think CCP is likely to do any additional work on POSes, since hopefully POSes will be replaced sometime soon.
If i remember correctly from the CSM mins. not to long ago, they said they are redoing the POS system from the ground up. This is a prefect time to have CCP make sure that POS Gunners get credit for their hard work!! Everyone else gets credit for their hard work on killmails why not a pos gunner ?!? |
z Flint
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:04:00 -
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This would be a great idea if done. |
FireT
Royal Advanced Industries Imperial Hull Tankers
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Posted - 2012.06.27 20:15:00 -
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This idea has my support. An interesting little tweak seems to be the only thing required. |
BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
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Posted - 2012.06.29 13:21:00 -
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Two step wrote:While I think this would be nice to see, I don't think CCP is likely to do any additional work on POSes, since hopefully POSes will be replaced sometime soon.
I agree with the above posters, IF they finally get around to fixing POS'es then this needs to be in there from the start. My missus thinks of EvE as 'the other woman'. :) |
Slaver Filth
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:24:00 -
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This is simple ..... no excuses from the CSM or CCP will change the fact that this is both fair and overdue ...... Just Do It! |
CracatusMilo
Ghost Net Industrialists Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.07.02 14:22:00 -
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great idea! |
Kahn Soomer
Beverage Production and Consumption
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Posted - 2012.07.05 18:07:00 -
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While this is (and has always been) a great idea, I vaguely remember it was mentioned "back in the day" when that skill was first introduced. And, I'm remembering the usual response: Adding the pos gunner is wonderful, but they said it had the drawback that a pos gunner can't get killmails, because it simply can't be done; It would take too much time to program; etc. [same response as given when discussing the proposal to add a timer/cap usage limits on the covert ops cloaking devices to prevent 24/7 afk hostile camping/grief].
Here's hoping the proposed "revamp" will help get this improvement accomplished! POS GUNNERS deserve some Love! |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2012.07.06 18:34:00 -
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Yeah, yeah .. killmails for everyone .. what struck me reading that plea was: We successfully pointed their carrier and destroyed it and 8 billion isk killmail
Holy hell, who in their right mind fits modules on a larger ship worth more than 10x the hull value?
Second the motion that nothing should be done until POS replacement is up and running.
If they really are going with a modular type of thing then gunners/guns may well be on designated platforms/modules and can thus be handled like regular ships making the whole thing easy-peasy to code. |
Temba Ronin
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Posted - 2012.07.09 07:57:00 -
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This proposal has garnered steady support. I am hopeful CCP will do the right thing and implement this overdue change when they rework the POS. |
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
The Kairos Syndicate Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2012.07.09 11:19:00 -
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Veshta Yoshida wrote:Yeah, yeah .. killmails for everyone .. what struck me reading that plea was: We successfully pointed their carrier and destroyed it and 8 billion isk killmailHoly hell, who in their right mind fits modules on a larger ship worth more than 10x the hull value? Second the motion that nothing should be done until POS replacement is up and running. If they really are going with a modular type of thing then gunners/guns may well be on designated platforms/modules and can thus be handled like regular ships making the whole thing easy-peasy to code. When you don't have supercaps, what else are you to do but load up your regular capitals with high-end gear? *points at RELAX's relatively recent ex-Chimmy in C5 space* |
Temba Ronin
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Posted - 2012.07.27 06:22:00 -
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I am guardedly optimistic that CCP will do the right thing and give POS gunners proper killmail credit. |
Ellariona
The Elysian Agoge Elysian Empire
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Posted - 2012.07.27 06:41:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Two step wrote:While I think this would be nice to see, I don't think CCP is likely to do any additional work on POSes, since hopefully POSes will be replaced sometime soon. There will still be POS defense and I like the gunner mechanic as it stands. Hopefully they won't be throwing out the good along with the bad.
this and of course SUPPORT for the OP. |
Temba Ronin
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Posted - 2012.07.28 18:08:00 -
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I hope people read and give this reasonable idea a chance ..... it is about rewarding the effort taken by players to learn valuable skills. Becoming a POS gunner requires a commitment of time that could be spent on other isk or killmail generating skills.
It is a basic question of fairness, in our violent sandbox single shard universe how can CCP justify not crediting all those who participate in a kill?
Programers program, saying it might be hard to correct is pure nonsense, some of the best game programmers in the world work for this game, time for CCP to man up and do the right thing for players while also improving the game and staying consistent to rewarding those who participate in kills.
Power To The Players! |
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