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Wayward Daughter
Swords of the Righteous
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Posted - 2009.12.24 16:13:00 -
[31]
Snipe.
Prophecy rocks. That is all.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.12.24 16:37:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Norris Packard
Originally by: Abrazzar
Drop the cap use bonus for a damage bonus Abaddon style.
And no to changing them into missile ships. Irather have CCP add a new line of T1 ships build by the Khanid empire.
The precedent is there for Amarr to have missile or drone boats at different levels of t1 ship classes, look at the Inquisitor or the Arbitrator. Giving the Maller and Prophecy some missile hard points even without changing anything else (maybe CPU increase) would make them interesting wildcards in a fight. If they did change them to have the ability to fit missiles would like to see one of the battleships get some more missile hard points too, variety is always nice on the battlefield.
Don 't fight.. give it a typhoon style bonus.. ROF to missiles and cap usage for guns and a 3/3 slot :P
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Endless Subversion
The Accursed
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Posted - 2009.12.24 16:58:00 -
[33]
Buffing all t1 BCs and trying to make them unique would be fantastic.
Proph: 4 mids, Hams, resist bonus... yes!!
Cyclone: More base EHP, possible little more speed or an extra turret?
Brutix: More base EHP, utility high (for gang mod), possible extra fittings
Ferox: Replace optimal bonus with some form of blaster dmg/rof bonus.
Imo, the base hull changes ought to carry over to the commands too.
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Dirk Culliford
H A V O C
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.12.24 19:16:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Marko Riva
I like how people take about the slowest of the BC's, then make it slower with plates and trimarks and THEN add light neutrons which have less range than I can pee.
Who cares!? The EFT dps number is so high it must be awesome? dps and ehp are the only numbers you ever need to look at, because the hostile will always be sitting at 0 m/s at your optimal range
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Eli Porter
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Posted - 2009.12.24 19:26:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Dirk Culliford
Originally by: Marko Riva
I like how people take about the slowest of the BC's, then make it slower with plates and trimarks and THEN add light neutrons which have less range than I can pee.
Who cares!? The EFT dps number is so high it must be awesome? dps and ehp are the only numbers you ever need to look at, because the hostile will always be sitting at 0 m/s at your optimal range
It's a bait ship. With teeth if someone goes close range. You don't have the PG to have an effective mid-range platform. You can go FMP's, but the tank gets cut short and the DPS isn't that amazing for the amount of tank you lose. If you want a regular Fleet/Gang DPS ship get a Harbi.
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Miandondon
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Posted - 2009.12.24 19:35:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Kent Reeves
The fact remains that until Amarr pilots hit T2 cruisers they have no reason to train any sort of missile skills. Purifier, Curse, Sacrilege and Damnation are all sweet ships and it would be nice to have a couple of T1 types that would motivate players to invest time into missile skills even if they're not cross-training for Caldari.
Why is it so necessary to "motivate" Amarr players to cross-train early? As they climb the t2 tree, they'll start picking up the missile skills starting from ceptor on up, if they want to. Amarr players already have enough cross-training to do, what with beam and pulse laser skills both being important at BS level.
That being said, if CCP wants to turn the Proph into a missile boat, fine, so long as they get it right. It's pretty useless right now.
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.12.24 20:13:00 -
[37]
Give prophecy hull 20% more cap remove cap bonus and give 10% range bonus. DONE. Extend taht to absolution.....
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Thenoran
Caldari
Pelican.
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Posted - 2009.12.24 20:19:00 -
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Missiles on a Tech I Amarr ship might break the status quo a bit.
I'd rather see the Prophecy changed to a mini-Abbadon, 5% bonus to laser damage and 5% bonus to armor resist.
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.24 20:36:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Thenoran
Missiles on a Tech I Amarr ship might break the status quo a bit.
I'd rather see the Prophecy changed to a mini-Abbadon, 5% bonus to laser damage and 5% bonus to armor resist.
No no, 5% laser ROF, 5% armor resists.... its already like a mini geddon with the 3 mid slots. 
-Liang
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Thenoran
Caldari
Pelican.
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Posted - 2009.12.24 21:20:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Thenoran
Missiles on a Tech I Amarr ship might break the status quo a bit.
I'd rather see the Prophecy changed to a mini-Abbadon, 5% bonus to laser damage and 5% bonus to armor resist.
No no, 5% laser ROF, 5% armor resists.... its already like a mini geddon with the 3 mid slots.
-Liang
RoF would be fine too although the cap issues at that point would be...insane.
6xHBL with ANMF would be like having two MARs running.
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.24 21:26:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Thenoran
RoF would be fine too although the cap issues at that point would be...insane.
6xHBL with ANMF would be like having two MARs running.
I know. Well worth the cost, IMO. ;-)
-Liang
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Kent Reeves
Amarr
Violent Force Productions
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Posted - 2009.12.25 00:44:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Miandondon
Why is it so necessary to "motivate" Amarr players to cross-train early? As they climb the t2 tree, they'll start picking up the missile skills starting from ceptor on up, if they want to.
Don't know about you but every time I've ever seen someone ask this question it always gets the same answer:
"should I get T2 weapons or T2 ships first?"
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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
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Posted - 2009.12.25 06:29:00 -
[43]
This still won't change anything if they don't fix overpowered tier2 BC first.
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.25 06:32:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Fon Revedhort
This still won't change anything if they don't fix overpowered tier2 BC first.
Tier 2 BC's are not overpowered by any stretch of the imagination...
-Liang
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Seishi Maru
The Black Dawn Gang
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Posted - 2009.12.25 09:51:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Fon Revedhort
This still won't change anything if they don't fix overpowered tier2 BC first.
Tier 2 BC's are not overpowered by any stretch of the imagination...
-Liang
although what can be ponderated is.. all tier 1 might need a review to get mroe flavor.
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Kent Reeves
Amarr
Violent Force Productions
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Posted - 2009.12.25 22:21:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Seishi Maru
although what can be ponderated is.. all tier 1 might need a review to get mroe flavor.
That's something Liang pointed out as well. Removing tier system from BC class all together and I completely agree. Something needs to be done about this and especially the Prophecy. I'd really like to see someone from CCP's thoughts on this but they're all busy fixing AF's a rockets. |
Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.25 22:51:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Kent Reeves
That's something Liang pointed out as well. Removing tier system from BC class all together and I completely agree. Something needs to be done about this and especially the Prophecy. I'd really like to see someone from CCP's thoughts on this but they're all busy fixing AF's a rockets.
Really, removing the tier system on everything sub battleship would be a *really* good idea. Removing it on battleships is *arguably* a good idea. The only good argument I've seen for why it shouldn't be done is because it'd play havoc with the mineral market. And even that would just be a temporary bump...
-Liang
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Thenoran
Caldari
Pelican.
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Posted - 2009.12.26 17:48:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Thenoran on 26/12/2009 17:49:55
Edited by: Thenoran on 26/12/2009 17:49:22
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 24/12/2009 21:26:56
Originally by: Thenoran
RoF would be fine too although the cap issues at that point would be...insane.
6xHBL with ANMF would be like having two MARs running.
I know. Well worth the cost, IMO. ;-)
-Liang
Ed: But who said anything about six. I'm thinking 7, and add a high slot for the gang mod. Just in case. Not that I'd use it for ANYTHING other than a gang mod! 
7 with a highslot for a gang mod...not a lot of room for a tank then. 
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.12.27 17:07:00 -
[49]
Oh god dammit now I have to try and make this ship work. I have a hunch...
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Marko Riva
Adamant Inc
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Posted - 2009.12.27 17:33:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Marko Riva on 27/12/2009 17:33:08
Originally by: baltec1
Oh god dammit now I have to try and make this ship work. I have a hunch...
As others have stated, because the ship's idea is basically the same as the tier 2 but just less you can't find a fit where the tier 1 has it's own niche, apart from tanking.
bonus wise making it into a mini Abaddon could make sense but it would possibly end up being overpowered, personally I'd make it into a mini Apoc then at least it has a role that's different from the tier 2 (while still being dangerously close to being overpowered). You'd see them a lot more in gatecamps then.
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Incipus
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Posted - 2009.12.27 17:53:00 -
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I think he's saying the prophecy's role is cheap BS level EHP. And all the Ferox does well is gas mine.
Originally by: Kent Reeves
Originally by: Eli Porter
Proph was already buffed with the rig patch, making it 3 times cheaper to trimark, and making it possibly the most worthy ship to triple medium trimark. Easily BS level EHP, with Cruiser level DPS if you fit Light Neutrons.
You make a good point. Here's my counter. If I wanted BS EHP (who doesn't) I'd use a BS but I was trying to point out that the other tier 1s can fill a specific function opposite of tier 2. Gallente are drones/close range turrets, Minmatar are shield/armor tanks and Caldari are close(or long) range turrets/missiles. Prophecy is just a dumbed down Harbinger at this point despite it's large EHP.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.12.27 18:09:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Marko Riva
As others have stated, because the ship's idea is basically the same as the tier 2 but just less you can't find a fit where the tier 1 has it's own niche, apart from tanking.
bonus wise making it into a mini Abaddon could make sense but it would possibly end up being overpowered, personally I'd make it into a mini Apoc then at least it has a role that's different from the tier 2 (while still being dangerously close to being overpowered). You'd see them a lot more in gatecamps then.
Your probably right. But I tend to get good results when I get a good feeling about a ship and there is something about the metal chicken I like.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.12.27 19:58:00 -
[53]
The only thing I dont like about a HAM Prophecy is that it will make the poor Sacri look even worse.
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Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption
Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.29 12:00:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Malcanis
The only thing I dont like about a HAM Prophecy is that it will make the poor Sacri look even worse.
Would it if they left the missiles unbonused? 5*25% = 6.25 effective missiles vs Prophecy if given just 6 would be 6 effective missiles. The Prophecy would have better EHP and DPS but not by a large margin and the loss of agility and speed would still give the Sac a place.
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.12.30 14:52:00 -
[55]
[Prophecy, Metal Chicken]
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Assault Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Flameburst Light Missile
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Warrior II x5
137k buffer, 762m/s and 167 DPS with scorch. Lets see how it does
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VanNostrum
Legion HQ
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2009.12.30 15:02:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Really, removing the tier system on everything sub battleship would be a *really* good idea. Removing it on battleships is *arguably* a good idea. The only good argument I've seen for why it shouldn't be done is because it'd play havoc with the mineral market. And even that would just be a temporary bump...
-Liang
this would make the game much, MUCH more interesting, i wish they really did that
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Devalis
Minmatar
Violent Force Productions
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.30 16:01:00 -
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Oh look at me my name is Kent Reeves and i like to ***** about everthing amarr even after they got buffed and are now FOTM wah wah wah....
FLY A HARB kent or if you want missiles? Cross train a HAM Drake problem sloved.
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2009.12.30 16:14:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Devalis
Oh look at me my name is Kent Reeves and i like to ***** about everthing amarr even after they got buffed and are now FOTM wah wah wah....
FLY A HARB kent or if you want missiles? Cross train a HAM Drake problem sloved.
Oh look my name is Devalis and I like to smack and flame for the sake of it with nothing constructive to add to a discussion whatsoever. God forbid I actually stop looking like an idiot.
Your solution : 'FLY A HARB' just goes to show how much this ship is lacking a distinct flavour of its own.
Try again, next time less stupidity.
Originally by: salva dore
Cloak should not be AFK solution.
What do you think?
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
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Devalis
Minmatar
Violent Force Productions
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2009.12.30 16:39:00 -
[59]
Originally by: lollerwaffle
Originally by: Devalis
Oh look at me my name is Kent Reeves and i like to ***** about everthing amarr even after they got buffed and are now FOTM wah wah wah....
FLY A HARB kent or if you want missiles? Cross train a HAM Drake problem sloved.
Oh look my name is Devalis and I like to smack and flame for the sake of it with nothing constructive to add to a discussion whatsoever. God forbid I actually stop looking like an idiot.
Your solution : 'FLY A HARB' just goes to show how much this ship is lacking a distinct flavour of its own.
Try again, next time less stupidity.
How dose it feel to get trolled...you might wanna check out our corp before you get all serious ;)
If you knew kent like i did you would know he hardly plays EvE and when he logs on he *****s and crys about amarr and everthing else, then gose afk to work out for 5 hours blah blah blah...
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isabella akim
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Posted - 2009.12.30 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: isabella akim on 30/12/2009 16:53:31
CCP, I know you're reading. Try it on test server, give it a damn chance.
New proph fitting
-7x launchers, 1 utility high
-3 mids
-7 lows (it's the tank BC, right?)
-add 75-100 CPU
-possibly add drone space
-launcher rof bonus (5%/level)
-same resist bonus
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