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snake133
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: snake133 on 14/12/2009 20:53:55 any ideas about a sniper bc. looking for something agile something with a vast alpha and at least a decent range 70+. its use is ti instapop frig hulls and cruisers at range (maybe more then one shot for a cruiser) it needs a cloak. and a speed mod. so flame away and tell me what you would use.
im looking at a hurricane with 720mm II tremor, is there something better. around 2k a volley at max range, dmg ammo at 4k
or is there something better then using arty.
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Ancy Denaries
Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2009.12.14 20:55:00 -
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If alpha is what you want, then arty is the way to go. They are the highest alpha weapon availible now in Dominion. The only issue I can see is that the cloak will seriously nerf your targetting speed, which might hamper your "Show up, PWN, leave" strategy. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard |
Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:00:00 -
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Prolly a beam harbinger is what your looking for! I dont know much about sniping though = /
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Drakan290
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:03:00 -
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If you require a cloak, t3 is really the only way to go. Unless you want to use a Rapier which is... not going to be impressive dps
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snake133
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Drakan290 If you require a cloak, t3 is really the only way to go. Unless you want to use a Rapier which is... not going to be impressive dps
its dps doesnt have to be great but at least decent. manly bc it is relying on killing from a distance once something gets close to it then its gota gtfo or die bc tracking will kill it, and cloak yes hurts targeting time so i would toss on a sensor booster or 2 with scripts
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:43:00 -
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You're not going to be surprising anything with a cloak fitted. Man up and leave it off.
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brother stud
This will look bad on your killboard
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:48:00 -
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i use a harb, heavy beam, 7 of them, aurora ammo, 3 heatsinks, rest tracking enhancers, 2 sensor boosters, 2 trackin comps, energy locus cordinator rigs, and 2 sentries, works well i think, instas frigs for sure
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.14 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Trader20 on 14/12/2009 21:54:44
Considered using a sb?
[Manticore, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Siege Missile Launcher II, Juggernaut Rage Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [empty high slot]
Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Small Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
5500 Alpha. Painters should give frigs/cruisers a nice big sig radius.
Stay cloaked, align to ss, uncloak, fire, warp. Problem is getting the torp to hit the target before downtime so stay in close.
Or ignore this post and just use arties.
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TimMc
Gallente Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:17:00 -
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[Hurricane, New Setup 1] Damage Control II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Tremor M Drone Link Augmentor I Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
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Ancy Denaries
Forever Unbound
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis You're not going to be surprising anything with a cloak fitted. Man up and leave it off.
Unfortunately this. Not only is your targeting speed pretty much halved, you also have a 15-30 second targeting delay after decloaking. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Personal Killboard |
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Foulque
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Posted - 2009.12.14 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ancy Denaries
Originally by: Malcanis You're not going to be surprising anything with a cloak fitted. Man up and leave it off.
Fortunately this. Not only is your targeting speed pretty much halved, you also have a 15-30 second targeting delay after decloaking.
fyp
and yeah cane is what you're after if you want alpha, there's no real competition in BCs. ________
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Stafen
Killer Koalas
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Posted - 2009.12.15 00:09:00 -
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I too have been thinking about sniper BC for 0.0 as a cheap alternative to a sniper HAC. (especially with pending T2 ship price increase)
I found the following two fits:
[Harbinger, Sniper] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Sensor Booster II Sensor Booster II
Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M Heavy Beam Laser II, Aurora M [empty high slot]
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I
[Hurricane, Sniper] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Sensor Booster II Large Shield Extender II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead M TE-2100 Standard Missile Bay, Sabretooth Light Missile TE-2100 Standard Missile Bay, Sabretooth Light Missile
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Auxiliary Thrusters I
Some people swap one of the low slots (damage or range mod) for a RCU II so you can remove the ACR rig or add a DCII.
What are people's views?
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.15 01:16:00 -
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Sub bs snipers are useless. For alpha use a sb, for sniper use a bs.
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Solovej
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2009.12.15 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Solovej on 15/12/2009 02:18:55
Originally by: Trader20 Edited by: Trader20 on 15/12/2009 01:36:35
Sub bs snipers are useless. For close up alpha boat use sb and for an alpha sniper use mael
[Maelstrom, Snipe] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I Large Ancillary Current Router I
Warden II x4
Change ammo type for distance from target
(a) Your face! (b) If you fit a BS for sniping that uses no cap for guns and want some shield tank go for resists and perhaps L-XL Booster over LSEs IMO (c) sentries are nice on paper but if a tackler approaches you, you ll wish you d brought some warriorIIs tbh
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Lady Australia
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Posted - 2009.12.15 03:48:00 -
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Originally by: Solovej Edited by: Solovej on 15/12/2009 02:18:55
Originally by: Trader20 Edited by: Trader20 on 15/12/2009 01:36:35
Sub bs snipers are useless. For close up alpha boat use sb and for an alpha sniper use mael
[Maelstrom, Snipe] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I Large Ancillary Current Router I
Warden II x4
Change ammo type for distance from target
(a) Your face! (b) If you fit a BS for sniping that uses no cap for guns and want some shield tank go for resists and perhaps L-XL Booster over LSEs IMO (c) sentries are nice on paper but if a tackler approaches you, you ll wish you d brought some warriorIIs tbh
D) Dude, where's my MWD?
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Stafen
Killer Koalas
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Posted - 2009.12.15 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20 Edited by: Trader20 on 15/12/2009 01:36:35
Sub bs snipers are useless. For close up alpha boat use sb and for an alpha sniper use mael
Does that include sniper HACs, in your opinion?
Thanks.
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Stafen
Killer Koalas
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Posted - 2009.12.15 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Stafen
Originally by: Trader20 Edited by: Trader20 on 15/12/2009 01:36:35
Sub bs snipers are useless. For close up alpha boat use sb and for an alpha sniper use mael
Does that include sniper HACs, in your opinion?
Thanks.
Realize now you must just be talking about the alpha on sub BS ships, not there effectiveness in general.
(I was reading this thread hoping to get fits/opinion on sniper BC in general, not just for alpha)
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Australia
Originally by: Solovej Edited by: Solovej on 15/12/2009 02:18:55
Originally by: Trader20 Edited by: Trader20 on 15/12/2009 01:36:35
Sub bs snipers are useless. For close up alpha boat use sb and for an alpha sniper use mael
[Maelstrom, Snipe] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Depleted Uranium L
Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I Large Ancillary Current Router I
Warden II x4
Change ammo type for distance from target
(a) Your face! (b) If you fit a BS for sniping that uses no cap for guns and want some shield tank go for resists and perhaps L-XL Booster over LSEs IMO (c) sentries are nice on paper but if a tackler approaches you, you ll wish you d brought some warriorIIs tbh
D) Dude, where's my MWD?
Dude it's a sniper boat, stay aligned to a ss and gtfo if anyone comes within 30km. Notice how snipers dont fit webs, scrams or nuets, it's a different game when sniping. But yea prolly should have a mwd on there.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.15 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Stafen
Originally by: Stafen
Originally by: Trader20 Edited by: Trader20 on 15/12/2009 01:36:35
Sub bs snipers are useless. For close up alpha boat use sb and for an alpha sniper use mael
Does that include sniper HACs, in your opinion?
Thanks.
Realize now you must just be talking about the alpha on sub BS ships, not there effectiveness in general.
(I was reading this thread hoping to get fits/opinion on sniper BC in general, not just for alpha)
Yea op was talking about instapopping frigs/crusiers so alpha is the main point, so imho anything sub-bs doesn't have the alpha to instapop tanked frigs/cruisers (exception is sb). Maybe a bc can instapop an untank ibis, that's a pretty sweet killmail
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20 Edited by: Trader20 on 15/12/2009 01:36:35
Sub bs snipers are useless.
Incorrect.
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Ulwithy Arillious
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Solovej (c) sentries are nice on paper but if a tackler approaches you, you ll wish you d brought some warriorIIs tbh
Unbonused Warrior IIs are nummy... I feed them to my Crusader when he's hungry.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Trader20 Edited by: Trader20 on 15/12/2009 01:36:35
Sub bs snipers are useless.
Incorrect.
Explain?
When the last time a sniper fleet wanted you to bring anything sub-bs?
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Halo Olsen
4BZ
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Posted - 2009.12.15 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Trader20 Edited by: Trader20 on 15/12/2009 01:36:35
Sub bs snipers are useless.
Incorrect.
Explain?
When the last time a sniper fleet wanted you to bring anything sub-bs?
when I was asked to bring a sniper hac/bc because snipr bs are way to slow for roams, and sniper hacs/bc give a nice engagment range?
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kyrieee
Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.12.15 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: kyrieee on 15/12/2009 22:59:51
Originally by: Trader20 Sub bs snipers are useless
I see why you're hiding your face
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NoNah
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Posted - 2009.12.15 23:12:00 -
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Parrots, commence!
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.16 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: kyrieee Edited by: kyrieee on 15/12/2009 22:59:51
Originally by: Trader20 Sub bs snipers are useless
I see why you're hiding your face
Great post about bc snipers being useful.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2009.12.16 01:43:00 -
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Edited by: Trader20 on 16/12/2009 01:45:11
Originally by: Halo Olsen
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Trader20 Edited by: Trader20 on 15/12/2009 01:36:35
Sub bs snipers are useless.
Incorrect.
Explain?
When the last time a sniper fleet wanted you to bring anything sub-bs?
when I was asked to bring a sniper hac/bc because snipr bs are way to slow for roams, and sniper hacs/bc give a nice engagment range?
What systems do your "sniper hac fleets" roam? With all that leet alpha from 70+km your sure to instapop bc's and cruisers, oh wait they'll just warp away and laugh when they hit 90% shields from all your leet alpha coming in. You might be able to catch an untanked ibis though.
Go big or go home, fit up some large arties and snipe like a real man.
Align to a ss if your worried about being agile, they can't scram you from snipe distances,
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2009.12.16 10:19:00 -
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75km sniper
Myrmidon 6x 720mm arty II + tremor
2x sensor boost II 2x tracking cpu II 1x omnidir tracking link
3x gyrostab II 2x tracking enhancer II 1x RCU II
med sentry dmg rig (woot alpha or something) med drone control range rig (75km drone control) med projectile metastasis rig
3x bouncer II (72km optimal) 7x warrior II 8x light ecm drone
really, fly a stealth bomber, with point, mwd, cap injector :P
All the above is prolly crap
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Georn
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.16 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20 What systems do your "sniper hac fleets" roam? With all that leet alpha from 70+km your sure to instapop bc's and cruisers, oh wait they'll just warp away and laugh when they hit 90% shields from all your leet alpha coming in. You might be able to catch an untanked ibis though.
Hmm IMO that's what tacklers, cloaked dictors and scouts are for.. are they not? Sniping HACs tend to work wonders against support or smallish BS gangs .. It all depends on the situation.
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Lars Zundi
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Posted - 2009.12.16 12:10:00 -
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Sniper 'cane is an extremely effective ship, I have dozens of kills in one, but as with all ship fits it is situational. For me it realy comes into its own at small gang fights on gates, when you have a definite role nuking frig/cruiser sized tackling or ewar ships from extended range, and can still get reasonable damage on the primary while being in a position to easily GTFO. (If you have an alt/friend remote sensor boosting you it eats pods like a mother****er too)
I haven't had that much experience of 0.0 combat, I'm primarily a lowsec fighter, but on one of the odd times I went on a 0.0 solo roam I was once caught by a quick-locking small sniper HAC/BC gang sat between two bubbles at 70km-ish. I JUST got out with about 15% structure. This is probably the most efficient use for them.
If you want to be a solo killer, you CAN do it in a sniper BC, but your target selection will be very limited. Tbh I wouldn't bother unless you have a scout and know what is coming through the gate you are camping.
And please....no cloak
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