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Zaiyo Modi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.13 15:25:00 -
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That reminds me. I always have the numerical "readout" enabled, to go with the round dial.
So the things I have in mind are: • Shield, armor, structure resist values, passive or active • Actual shield, armor, structure points • Hm, now I have also the effective hitpoints in mind, just to get a clue to survivability. • Then, finally the round dial sort of indicates how bad things develop when things go down.
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Miraqu
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.13 15:37:00 -
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I have the readout too. Maybe I could live with it, if I could resize it and move it wherever I wanted.
I can only move readout and the status-ball together.
While it might not make sense to you with the bars, could you understand or accept that somebody else just doesn't like it that way.
You wouldn't buy a car in plushy pink/green/camouflage because others want one?
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Erdiere
Minmatar Erasers inc. Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2009.12.13 15:52:00 -
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The interface does look a bit too much 2001 and it does clash with the nice graphics of the game.
Getting an complete overhaul of the UI that would make it more modern and fluid in appearance and usability would be great, but I can only imagine that it would be a HUGE task, which is why CCP hasn't done it yet.
Over the years Eve has accumulated an amazing number of different interface screens (views) which would all need to be re-considered and redone for optimal look and usability.
That would be a huge undertaking, and if you would radically change the look of the UI gradually over a longer period of time, you'd have a funny looking overall experience with new shiny views on some parts and the old dusted look elsewhere, which wouldn't exactly give out a good impression.
And then, even if CCP would take their time and completely redo the UI, after the launch some would just state that it flat out sucks, and demand CCP to give them an option to use the old interface, that sure would be rewarding after having all the hard work and resources poured into making the revamp.
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coolzero
Gallente Dutch Federation Player Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.13 16:02:00 -
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i would love the UI working(and looking) as you see in the video's on the fanfest :P just need to get one of them new touchscreen monitors that would totaly rock. Jack of all trades, master of none...
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AmarrettoDiAmarr
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Posted - 2009.12.14 05:20:00 -
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I really wish there was some progress on improving the UI, a number of issues were already listed.
Something that was an acceptable interface in 2003 just is not commercially viable forever; It is in CCPs financial interest to fix it, especially if they would like new players. I think their architecture may not make it as easy to do as we would like. And many EVE players resist change and some even prefer a smaller, less financially successful game.
I personally think people who resist change are using some smoke screens -
m*cro b*ts - some people in forums claim that mining and [Jita] trading are full of macros; would fixing the UI make it much worse? Aren't most people getting a better UI worth a few people who are not currently using m*cros being able to do so? If you want to m*cro, aren't you already doing it?
fairness - the most specious - complaints of "unfair" tend to get far more QQ than sympathy. Honesty and fairness are not part of EVE, unless it helps their argument
oh no, the corp, who may already dictate the type of ships I can fly, who I can attack, my minimum SP, what voice chat I use, the mike I have, what corps my alt can be in, and perhaps even my overview, might also dictate a UI/addon? Horrors!
The UI has been obviously outdated for quite some time. If CCP cared, they would have fixed it by now. So I am trying to not let myself get too worked up. |
Hali Ekel
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.12.14 11:46:00 -
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Am I the only one annoyed to no end that you can not search for generic items on contracts (like search for medium armor rep and it shows you all the faction / officer / deadspace medium armor repairers on contracts) and you have to use the exact item search that now it doesn`t even work with Enter key and you have to press get contracts every single freaking time.
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Stubek
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.14 15:43:00 -
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As much as it might pain some users here, I suggest looking to WoW, specifically post-2.0, for inspiration in terms of UI customizability. Blizzards API allows you to change nearly anything, and display data in nearly any way you care to, but does not tolerate one iota of scripting or automation. All actual functions must be initiated by the user.
The "API will cause bots and scripts to ruin the game," argument, is at best, a strawman.
EVE needs a UI overhaul. All but one of my friends has been turned off by the game the moment they saw the market window, or in two cases, that there is no hotkey for warp, that you either need to click an inconvieniently placed button, or screw with a dropdown menu. I mean, probably half of the learning cliff to this game is coming to terms with the UI. |
Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Stubek ....I mean, probably half of the learning cliff to this game is coming to terms with the UI.
It took me about 30 minutes to help a friend of mine, who is new, set up the microphone and fleet windows. He is very experienced with online games. This was with us using chat through windows live. It took so long as certain key windows not only opened minimised but were hidden behind other UI elements. Simple but the problems that caused were massive.
His comments when done are mainly unprintable but 'this is the biggest pile of **** I have ever come across' was one of them. He's not playing the game now, he didn't even get to the point where he cared much about the mechanics of the game which is the interesting bit.
I have some old WOW pics of my UI when I played that game and I really do miss the complete control I had over it. I could focus on the game and not on fighting the interface.
If EVE wants to get more sophisticated it must change.
As said, those who think it would give an 'unfair' advantage or assist botters do not know what scripting and player mods can and cannot do.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:35:00 -
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I just want something like this added:
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Isurus Paucus
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Posted - 2009.12.14 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kolatha
...Lets not fail to mention that many of these addons became a way for a select few "hardcore" gamers to force their play style on everyone else and lock out those who didn't want that playstyle from participating in most of the end game content. "Don't have addon X? well tough luck, you can't go to the Dangerously Deadly Dungeon of Doom until you do."
See, this particular part of the argument is nonsensical to me. No one is denying anyone the ability to access content. Rather, they are denying your ability to access content with them, which is something completely different. Frankly, I don't see how the argument holds water as any group has the right to set their own rules and you are not entitled to membership. If such a thing were to occur, go find a different group! (or start your own that contains like-minded individuals)
Personal freedom does not apply to everything. Corps/Alliances have rules for a reason, and if you do not like the rules or the reasons, you are free to go elsewhere.
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Wesfahrn
WESCORP
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Posted - 2009.12.16 03:00:00 -
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hehe, eve has no learning curve, it has a learning WALL. Only if you run really fast you will get through it.
Im just giving it one up for an API based, or some sort Open UI for the community to develop for.
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small chimp
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Posted - 2009.12.16 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Hali Ekel Am I the only one annoyed to no end that you can not search for generic items on contracts (like search for medium armor rep and it shows you all the faction / officer / deadspace medium armor repairers on contracts) and you have to use the exact item search that now it doesn`t even work with Enter key and you have to press get contracts every single freaking time.
No you are not. Read the second post on first page. :U
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Wesfahrn
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2009.12.28 02:54:00 -
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1 up for open UI
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Bagrista
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Posted - 2009.12.28 07:14:00 -
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The thing that annoys me most are the insanely complicated and unsorted "show info" boxes. Take T2 ammo for example - the penalties are all over the loooong list of parameters, instead of being in one place in a simple table.
Also, when I get info on a ship I'm currently in, I get the stats with my skills; if i get it on anything else, I get base stats. Why can't it just show something like: Velocity: Base: 400/You: 525?!
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.28 10:17:00 -
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I do not trust CCP has the competence to do the redesign anyway. They seem happy to use non intuitive layouts even on new interfaces (the scan buttons are in the wrong place even now and the filter is a mystery to me)
The only way is to allow the community to do it. This is not about anything fancy, just common sense changes which would make the game a lot better to play. The original UI will stay so if someone wants to they can still use it.
For some reason CCP is resisting this. I assume its because they do not really grasp what we are telling them and they also assume we will have too much control over the information we can get from the game, which is complete rubbish but seems to be a common misunderstanding.
The UI definitely puts many players off playing the game and degrades the experience of those who do play it, which will reduce their resolve to continue playing. I really cannot be bothered to try invention for example, it's a mess. I suspect a lot of us have real examples of this so if CCP are happy about that then they can leave things as they are.
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Quad'Jaran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.12.28 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus I just want something like this added:
I want some way to remove those damned white lines that go all over the screen!
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.12.28 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Quad'Jaran
Originally by: Barakkus I just want something like this added:
I want some way to remove those damned white lines that go all over the screen!
Escape - General Settings - Lower middle - Uncheck show targetting crosshairs (It ONLY affects the Lines) _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Bane Loppknow
Pel Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.28 12:16:00 -
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I'd love to see a UI that revolved around a dual-screen touchpad approach. Get a Notebook with all the controls/keyboard/windows/etc with a second screen on top showing space/selected item/overview/drones/ship vitals. obviously not as the default UI, but it'd still be sweet to play eve like that.
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Wesfahrn
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2009.12.28 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Wesfahrn on 28/12/2009 13:49:01 Also i would like to ad, look at all the comunity generated content like EVEmon, EFT, EVE-sheet, mission info sites, agent info sites, the list goes on. Its all stuff we take for granted these days. But it only happened because of the community, and EVEmon for example, which requires the API is very popular its like a must-have program. I never heard of anyone being abused or game being exploited because of this kind of opened ness. The potential advantages of en Open UI far outweigh the potential disadvantages.
It is absolutely time to bring in the community on the UI as well.
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Ser Enity
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Posted - 2009.12.28 14:21:00 -
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Guys.. Really.. Do you think CCP will ever release a complete overhaul to the UI ? It is in my opinion dead ovbious that the original creator(s) are long gone.. Current staff really has no idea what they are "fixing", hence the crapload of bugs which popup after every so-called update. I would seriously doubt if there is proper documentation on the current codebase.
Not trying to be negative but give it a thought. No core concept of this game is actually beeing taken care of in a professional way. Yes there are some new missions, yes the newb-tutorial has been expanded, yes we have bigger texture on the planets and yes the fleet finder and other minor things have been changed but no core aspect is really beeing altered.. I doubt it ever will.
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khendro
Caldari Point of No Return
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Posted - 2009.12.28 14:41:00 -
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i would love to see an option to arrange people in a chat channel as groups. For example, make war targets or people with negative standing appear on top of the members list.
Then i wouldn't have to frigging scroll down each couple of seconds to see if there was some unwanted person in a list of 120+ members....
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Anubis Xian
Reavers
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Posted - 2009.12.28 15:36:00 -
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The only game I've ever played that had a worse UI than EvE was Entropia Universe (aka Project Entropia).
Windows 3.11 EvE Edition is the part of this game I dislike most.
Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.12.28 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Wesfahrn Your not going to get it. Your much better of campaigning for an Open UI where the community have the oppertunity to develop their own from scratch or make addons etc. Then you will start to see functuinality that you like, in all shapes and sizes, and colors. There will even be things surprising you, features from the most brilliant minds of the community, that you didnt even know you needed.
I sincerely hope that CCP is wise enough to never let EVE all prey to the idea of an open UI. Open UI's are the source of some of the worst cheating and powergaming that one could ever encounter in the games that allow them.
Within weeks of Age of Conan going live there were already three different programs that abused mechanics in the open UI system to allow for ridiculous amounts of cheating and other misconduct.
The EVE UI does need some tweaking, but all of that tweaking should be done by the devs with the players input and should be the UI that everyone in the game uses. Having everyone use the same UI without dozens of third party tools, keeps the game as fair and even as possible and is one of the reasons that EVE is still such a great game.
Open UI = bad, very bad.
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Wesfahrn
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2009.12.28 17:39:00 -
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You are not building an objective case. You give far too little detail regarding the AoC case. According to you, what is cheating, and is the community really at fault for the cheating, or is it really just bad programming from the developers side. Lets remember, we ARE talking about AoC ;)
Quote: "Having everyone use the same UI without dozens of third party tools, keeps the game as fair and even as possible"
You are basically saying everyone has to suffer equally and i really disagree with this idea. I want the best for everyone which includes myself, and thus i am for oppertunity. CCP is in perfect condition to regulate user created software that does more than enhance the gameplay experience, ie exploits.
CCP could with great results, shift much of the resources spent in the UI development department to a new UI authentication department. There is no net-loss in terms of resources and such for CCP, but there is almost an infinite increase in net-gain of UI optimiziations for the community.
This UI needs to be opened up.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2009.12.28 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Wesfahrn You are not building an objective case. You give far too little detail regarding the AoC case. According to you, what is cheating, and is the community really at fault for the cheating, or is it really just bad programming from the developers side. Lets remember, we ARE talking about AoC ;)
Quote: "Having everyone use the same UI without dozens of third party tools, keeps the game as fair and even as possible"
You are basically saying everyone has to suffer equally and i really disagree with this idea. I want the best for everyone which includes myself, and thus i am for oppertunity. CCP is in perfect condition to regulate user created software that does more than enhance the gameplay experience, ie exploits.
CCP could with great results, shift much of the resources spent in the UI development department to a new UI authentication department. There is no net-loss in terms of resources and such for CCP, but there is almost an infinite increase in net-gain of UI optimiziations for the community.
This UI needs to be opened up.
You mistake me entirely. I too only want the best for everyone. However, it needs to be the same for everyone. There's enough sandbox in the game already, there really doesn't need to be a sandbox of tools outside the game too.
Anyhow, this is entirely a moot point. Customizing the UI beyond being able to move the given widgets around on your screen any way you choose simply won't happen. They've made this point repeatedly since I started playing my first character in 2003... and if you really think the current UI is bad, then please use the way back machine to see a truly awful UI.
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Wesfahrn
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2009.12.28 19:44:00 -
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Quote: There's enough sandbox in the game already, there really doesn't need to be a sandbox of tools outside the game too.
This is just a small list of some of the 3rd party programs and resources, devs either couldnt imagine would be handy, or doesent have the resources or time to develop themselves.
EVEmon EFT JMLC Chrukers
Some of those program are invaluable to some players, the authors could have kept it all to themselves to gain some sort of evil advantage over others, and some probably still do today! But overall people are well-intended and good spirited, which results in great additions like EVEmon among many others who have been working hard to contribute.
According to you, that should be scrapped? Since we may only use what the devs can imagine, and further more also have time and resources to develop.
I am also proposing a unit within CCP of godly developers who will authoenticate, possibly promote, the user generated content. You see there is no loss for anyone, there is nothing unfair in it. Everyone has the oppertunity to improve their gaming experience, like they can today by using EVEmon or any of the 3rd party software and websites.
And its not a matter of looking back, its a matter of looking forward and realizing the even greater potential for Good Gaming Experience (GGE), under an Open UI environment.
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