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Lady Darkmoon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.06.18 23:53:00 -
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In so many threads people complain about AFK miners and this, seemingly, is a huge, bad, horrible thing to do and said people deserve to be ganked repeatedly.
I'll offer a challenge... How do you NOT AFK mine in EVE?
Fly into belt. Lock roids. Activate strip miners. ... ... When cargo is full, either return to station or drop jcan for a hauler or an Orca.
Now, between activating mining lasers and dropping can YOU CAN NOT DO ANYTHING BUT WAIT. Sorry for caps but feel I need to emphasize this. Strip miners have 180 second cycles, and they take multiple cycles to fill cargohold.
So what is a miner who is NOT afk going to do so that he is, well, not afk?
Fly the mining ship manually around the roid at 60 m/s? Annoy people in local with meaningless discussions about religion, life and politics? Swith target and mine a different roid at end of each 3 minute cycle?
What?
Please tell me how anyone who is mining in EVE, due to how CCP has made mining work in the game, will not be, or appear to be afk mining?
Personally I chat with friends ingame, watch youtube, read books on my ipad and so on... And target roids and reactivate miners as needed. Am I actively doing much in the game? No, but that is how CCP has made it. Courier missions are no different, especially not now that autopilot flies to station and docks for you. Add destination, undock, start autopilot, go make dinner, return to game, deliver mission and undock, autopilot, go eat your dinner....
Guess that means AFK mission running too.
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sabre906
Old Spice Syndicate Sailors of the Sacred Spice
256
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Posted - 2012.06.19 01:50:00 -
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Lady Darkmoon wrote:In so many threads people complain about AFK miners and this, seemingly, is a huge, bad, horrible thing to do and said people deserve to be ganked repeatedly.
I'll offer a challenge... How do you NOT AFK mine in EVE?
Fly into belt. Lock roids. Activate strip miners. ... ... When cargo is full, either return to station or drop jcan for a hauler or an Orca.
Now, between activating mining lasers and dropping can YOU CAN NOT DO ANYTHING BUT WAIT. Sorry for caps but feel I need to emphasize this. Strip miners have 180 second cycles, and they take multiple cycles to fill cargohold.
So what is a miner who is NOT afk going to do so that he is, well, not afk?
Fly the mining ship manually around the roid at 60 m/s? Annoy people in local with meaningless discussions about religion, life and politics? Swith target and mine a different roid at end of each 3 minute cycle?
What?
Please tell me how anyone who is mining in EVE, due to how CCP has made mining work in the game, will not be, or appear to be afk mining?
Personally I chat with friends ingame, watch youtube, read books on my ipad and so on... And target roids and reactivate miners as needed. Am I actively doing much in the game? No, but that is how CCP has made it. Courier missions are no different, especially not now that autopilot flies to station and docks for you. Add destination, undock, start autopilot, go make dinner, return to game, deliver mission and undock, autopilot, go eat your dinner....
Guess that means AFK mission running too.
tl;dr: "Jews should be herded into camps because they're being Jews, they should stop being Jews and shave their heads like us proper tards"
See how some people think? Haters are gonna hate. Stop trying to analyze excuses they come up with. Standings Improvement Service https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=19454 |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1978
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:09:00 -
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Second post and we're already deep into Goodwinia.
(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked). This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Raiz Nhell
DEEP CORPS
135
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Posted - 2012.06.19 02:36:00 -
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The alternative is to...
Try moving out of high-sec...
Try using Dscan Try staying aligned Try watching local Try for tank rather than gank (yeild) Try preemptive a defence, bring a PvP ship
If your AFK your not playing the game, your providing targets... Play the game... There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
Mangold
Born-2-Kill
15
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Posted - 2012.06.19 03:36:00 -
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It's not really that many people that hates high sec miners. They are very vocal on this forum though. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2012.06.19 03:56:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked).
But it's there. Worthless to even do this because you know that if they really want your ship destroyed they will do it.
Raiz Nhell wrote:If your AFK your not playing the game, your providing targets... Play the game...
I think many AFK cloakers disagree with you. |
RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1986
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Posted - 2012.06.19 03:58:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked). But it's there. Worthless to even do this because you know that if they really want your ship destroyed they will do it.
Not profitably. If someone's willing to throw some 300 odd million ISK to kill your Hulk, they deserve it. This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Malacath Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
6
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Posted - 2012.06.19 04:46:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked). But it's there. Worthless to even do this because you know that if they really want your ship destroyed they will do it. Not profitably. If someone's willing to throw some 300 odd million ISK to kill your Hulk, they deserve it.
Not all of us gank for profit. I consider it both an honour & my duty to educate max yield, afk Hulk pilots. Unfortunately, most of them end up quitting because it's the easier path.
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RubyPorto
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
1990
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Posted - 2012.06.19 04:47:00 -
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Malacath Azaria wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked). But it's there. Worthless to even do this because you know that if they really want your ship destroyed they will do it. Not profitably. If someone's willing to throw some 300 odd million ISK to kill your Hulk, they deserve it. Not all of us gank for profit. I consider it both an honour & my duty to educate max yield, afk Hulk pilots. Unfortunately, most of them end up quitting because it's the easier path.
Fair enough. But would you sink 300m+ (5-6 Tornados) to kill one Hulk (tanked+RR)? This is EVE. -á Everybody Versus Everybody. |
Malacath Azaria
xX-Crusader-Xx
6
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Posted - 2012.06.19 04:54:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Malacath Azaria wrote:RubyPorto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:RubyPorto wrote:(Mine in something that's tanked, leave RR running on it, and you can AFK all you want with a very low risk of being ganked). But it's there. Worthless to even do this because you know that if they really want your ship destroyed they will do it. Not profitably. If someone's willing to throw some 300 odd million ISK to kill your Hulk, they deserve it. Not all of us gank for profit. I consider it both an honour & my duty to educate max yield, afk Hulk pilots. Unfortunately, most of them end up quitting because it's the easier path. Fair enough. But would you sink 300m+ (5-6 Tornados) to kill one Hulk (tanked+RR)?
Definately not. If the player is capable of having such initiative, there is no point in educating them as they're already educated & are actually playing the game. I'd only deviate from that if they had mods on the Hulk which would actually provide a profit.
So yes, I guess I do occaisionally gank for profit.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
763
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Posted - 2012.06.19 06:36:00 -
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When I'm mining I:
* Hit dscan every 5 seconds or less (a good habit learned from living in w-space for over 2.5 years). * Watching local for tears and gank related messages. * Watching local player counts for changes. * Watching the people in local, and recognizing regulars and transients. * Researching the kill-boards of the people, corps, and alliances in local and their associates. * Checking on the stats of systems in the constellation and neighbours, in-game and on DOTLAN. * Unloading 2 Hulks and Orca with a Bustard (I think I'm gonna switch to a second Orca just for this). * Switching asteroids. * Scanning asteroids and tagging them when they get low. * Locating the next belt. * Checking on the off-grid siege warfare booster. * Killing NPC with the Orca's drones (same character is also a Rattlesnake pilot when doing missions).
With all that, I don't really have time for anything else. I have 7 accounts, and currently use 5 or 6 when mining.
I haven't lost a mining ship to another player yet (lost my first and only Retriever to the 6 cruiser NPC spawn on mining the ultra-rare Arkonor spawn in Artifact Recovery, got Hulk 2 days later), but have survived or avoided several attacks.
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Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.19 07:34:00 -
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Besides what has already been mentioned (Maintain situational awareness, or make use of one of the various means to AFK mine relatively safely - Tanking isn't your only pre - emptive defence versus ganks, by the way) , consider training up the relevant market trading / industry / science skills, and use the time to maintain and update market orders / Science and Industry jobs. Making your minerals go further for you, even while you mine more. Graduate to being an industrialist instead of limiting yourself to being solely a miner. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2012.06.19 07:43:00 -
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Sevastian Liao wrote:Maintain situational awareness
Warping to station and docking everytime when someone with negative sec status shouts in local "Miners beware! We're going to gank you now!" is really going to help.
And maybe 30 seconds later: "Just kidding. :D" |
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
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Posted - 2012.06.19 08:09:00 -
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If that happens to you constantly, perhaps consider that the real problem lies in your insistence to remain in that particular area of the sandbox where gankers like to visit, when much of the rest of the universe lies open to you. If you absolutely must continue mining there for whatever reason, then fit a tank for extra insurance, or mine in a mission belt / grav site. Perhaps make use of part or all of those options in a neighbouring system that has a higher security status. The options are there to stack the deck in your favour before you actually start mining. If you feel that doing any of the above is too much work then maybe you're pursuing the wrong profession to begin with.
As with a lot of things, you're only as much a victim as you believe yourself to be. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2012.06.19 08:22:00 -
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Why everyone keeps suggesting moving to losec?
- Cyno - Supers - Tackling hero carrier
Yeah. Not going to work without 300+ battleships and 500+ sub-BS. |
Sevastian Liao
DreamWeaver Inc.
35
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Posted - 2012.06.19 08:38:00 -
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"Somewhere else not infested by gankers" doesn't have to be low or nullsec. There are many highsec systems where entire mining corporations go about their business in peace, where local rarely breaches 5 people in space at any point in time. It takes more effort to find such a good system and set yourself up there, but it's a one - time cost that pays big dividends over the long term. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2012.06.19 08:46:00 -
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Sevastian Liao wrote:"Somewhere else not infested by gankers" doesn't have to be low or nullsec. There are many highsec systems where entire mining corporations go about their business in peace, where local rarely breaches 5 people in space at any point in time. It takes more effort to find such a good system and set yourself up there, but it's a one - time cost that pays big dividends over the long term.
Can't be found in hisec. All backwater systems have at least 20 in local. |
Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:42:00 -
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Lady Darkmoon wrote:Please tell me how anyone who is mining in EVE, due to how CCP has made mining work in the game, will not be, or appear to be afk mining? There's nothing wrong with appearing to be AFK Mining. As long as you're sitting at your computer with a tanked HulK and maybe some tackle, you'll be able to take the gankers by surprise when their gank-attempt fails due to ECM and Hammerheads. If you need something to do in the meantime while mining, keep an eye on D-scan and do something that requires less attention than mining. |
Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
42
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Posted - 2012.06.19 09:45:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Sevastian Liao wrote:"Somewhere else not infested by gankers" doesn't have to be low or nullsec. There are many highsec systems where entire mining corporations go about their business in peace, where local rarely breaches 5 people in space at any point in time. It takes more effort to find such a good system and set yourself up there, but it's a one - time cost that pays big dividends over the long term. Can't be found in hisec. All backwater systems have at least 20 in local. He never said it had to be a backwater system I've seen multiple systems on routes between the SoE epic arc agents that never had more than 5-10 people in local at any time. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
85
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Posted - 2012.06.19 10:03:00 -
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Plaude Pollard wrote:He never said it had to be a backwater system I've seen multiple systems on routes between the SoE epic arc agents that never had more than 5-10 people in local at any time.
That could be caused by few things: - No stations in system - Only few asteroid belts - 0.5 system security and lowsec next door
Probably other reasons too. |
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Acid Kanshi
EVE-Cost Inc.
5
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Posted - 2012.06.19 11:06:00 -
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Watch woohoo on second monitor. EVE-Cost is a manufacturing tool for EVE players.
http://www.eve-cost.eu |
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
82
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Posted - 2012.06.19 12:56:00 -
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Get into tradin, manufacturing and/or scamming and do all these things while mining. Nothing could ever raise your ISK/hour more than making use of that time that you are wasting while sitting in the belt.
Basically, stop being a standin for a bot and start actually playing the damn game. It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me |
Celgar Thurn
Department 10
45
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Posted - 2012.06.19 14:02:00 -
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'Afk' mining is not a good idea currently or probably ever in New Eden. You need to keep your eyes open for gankers.After you have done that there won't be much time left to fiddle with.
Using autopilot is also a no-no and wouldn't recommend you use that to do courier missions either. Pilots like Solstice Project amongst others have made a career choice of podding ships and their capsules while on autopilot. Many nice sets of implants have been destroyed by him. Not mine I hasten to add.
So don't mine 'afk' or use autopilot. Just play the game. |
Emma Royd
Maddled Gommerils
113
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:41:00 -
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I wish I had time to AFK mine,
I used to mine with 4 hulks or 5 macks, 1 bonus and 1 hauler in an Iteron V, afk LOL I wish, especially when I was in nulsec and had the maxed rorqual bonus instead of the orca bonus.
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Perkone Caldari State
192
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Posted - 2012.06.19 16:42:00 -
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Lady Darkmoon wrote: Strip miners have 180 second cycles, and they take multiple cycles to fill cargohold.
Wrong wrong wrong. With training that becomes considerably lower. The Hulks Cargo at that point will NOT hold a 2nd Cycle.
Combine that with a 2 Hulk operation AND minding an Orca, and FIGHTING OFF RATS, and believe me, you have your hands full.
Maybe you should actually mine for real for once at least before poasting. Ohh poor silly goon chillrens. Nobody in high sec cares about your plans to occupy jita like a bunch of dirty hippies. "....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced." |
Dave stark
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2012.06.19 17:04:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Lady Darkmoon wrote: Strip miners have 180 second cycles, and they take multiple cycles to fill cargohold.
Wrong wrong wrong. With training that becomes considerably lower. The Hulks Cargo at that point will NOT hold a 2nd Cycle. Combine that with a 2 Hulk operation AND minding an Orca, and FIGHTING OFF RATS, and believe me, you have your hands full. Maybe you should actually mine for real for once at least before poasting.
cycles are fixed at 180 seconds without fleet bonuses, and without said bonuses a hulk takes roughly two full cycles with t1 strips. more if you use cargo mods in the lows/rigs. |
Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
16
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Posted - 2012.06.19 17:36:00 -
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if your hulk hold more than 2 cycles you are doing it wrong you need to either use 2 mining laser upgrades or one and some tank. yield more, more work, more isk. having a hulk with 17k m3 cargo is a weak hulk that will easily get crushed and could at least be yielding 10-20% more per strip with full MLUs or 1 MLU and tank. you could also be cycling out mining drones and combat drones if you still have too much free time.
i really liked that someone suggested playing the market while mining. that does give you something to do, and can be very worth your time.
i disagree with whoever said even a backwater system has 20 people i have mined several systems in several regions with NO ONE but me in my alts, for a few hours at a time in many cases.
these were often dead end systems, and yes much of the time with no station, but those are the best systems to mine! get an orca buddy or get an orca alt~ or at the very least spend a few days training industrial IV for the itty IV, mammoth equivalent and start doing jet canning - you're in a dead system anyways.... |
Zhu Khan
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.06.19 18:38:00 -
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Beckie DeLey wrote:Get into tradin, manufacturing and/or scamming and do all these things while mining. Nothing could ever raise your ISK/hour more than making use of that time that you are wasting while sitting in the belt.
Basically, stop being a standin for a bot and start actually playing the damn game. Yup. I spend my time mining reading up on skills and modules so I can make informed comments on the Forum.
Probably the best use of time would be to get into Trading and train up your "Don't Have to Be There" skills and .01 ISK like a mug. You'll manage to **** off two entirely different group of people in no time. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:20:00 -
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Beckie DeLey wrote:Get into tradin, manufacturing and/or scamming and do all these things while mining. Nothing could ever raise your ISK/hour more than making use of that time that you are wasting while sitting in the belt.
Basically, stop being a standin for a bot and start actually playing the damn game.
You still get more minerals from reprocessing mission loot.
Only problem is that not many mission runners wants to drop their ISK/hr because of salvaging/looting even if they had second account for that. |
Zo Khamez
Miomi Industries
2
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Posted - 2012.06.19 19:51:00 -
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Lady Darkmoon wrote:Now, between activating mining lasers and dropping can YOU CAN NOT DO ANYTHING BUT WAIT. Sorry for caps but feel I need to emphasize this. Strip miners have 180 second cycles, and they take multiple cycles to fill cargohold.
So what is a miner who is NOT afk going to do so that he is, well, not afk?
Any miner serious enough to be worth his salt would have multiple accounts going (all hulks, and an orca/hauler) and would be busy between cycles moving ore from hulks to jetcans to haulers or from hulks to orca, making sure no cargohold got full, hauling the collected ore to the station, watching local for perps. That leaves lot much time left to be thinking that there is nothing to do.
I personally solo a whole mining fleet myself (multiboxing, yes). It is great fun and am looking to expand it.
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