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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.04 06:01:00 -
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Tonight, friends and colleagues, we must come to term with recent events. A president, unconstitutionally elected to office, now rules the Federation. Billions of citizens were disenfranchised for no other reason than political cowardice.
We face merciless enemies. Our capsuleers, our armies, are disheartened. Our leaders, uncertain.
Some look forward to the future and state that there is no hope for a honorable peace. That there is no prospect of victory. That our people will be hostage to a mad tyrant with a stranglehold on our home systems of Intaki and Luminaire.
I state tonight that this is not the case.
We will reorganize. We will rebuild the Federal Defence Union. We will work with our Minmatar allies to push back the Caldari threat, which ravages their systems as well. We will train new pilots, form new combat units, and deal a decisive blow to Tibus Heth and his Provist allies.
Together, my friends, we will rise and meet this challenge. The fires of war shall strengthen our bonds to each other. The heat of battle will harden our determination to accomplish our goals. And in this crucible of fate, we will persevere.
Tonight, I call upon all pilots capable in combat and loyal to the cause of freedom to contact myself or my directors. We have a future to meet. And together, we shall ensure that tomorrow will bring a new dawn of freedom.
Moira. was formed to accomplish this task. But we need the assistance of motivated pilots willing to take on the challenge to gain victory against those that seek to enslave and stifle our fellow man.
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.04 06:07:00 -
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Typical pandering to racist and xenophobic attitudes present in the Federation to enlist more souls for the meat grinder.
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Lyris Nairn
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.12.04 07:25:00 -
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Keep talking. Maybe words will succeed where your Navy has failed.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.04 07:33:00 -
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Good luck.
My pod career is actually based around a pilgrimage to better understand my Kingdom, which starts first with the Empire and second the State. I had resigned myself to being unable to join the Protectorate as there was no one left to fight, if the FDU actually puts up a fight again I'll be able to be a member of both Militias by my pilgrimage's end. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.12.04 07:50:00 -
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Hm. "Unconsitutionally elected...."
Originally by: The Scope, Roden Wins Gallente Presidential Election With Convincing Majority Some analysts believe that the votes of many frontier worlds excluded from the election process due to the "No Vote" law may have significantly increased Aguard's share of the vote and denied Roden an outright majority.
I take it, Julianus, that you're not one of those who believe Roden lost votes due to the exclusion of the occupied territories? Or is it just the principle of the thing? On the face of it, you'd be better off rallying behind him than delegitimizing his administration before he even starts.
Not that I wish your cause well, exactly.
"For Humanity," is it? I could take those words seriously from you when we were speaking of the Synenose Accord, but now? Now, you merely demonstrate the Federation's arrogance once again.
If your sentiments are typical of the Federation, it seems you have learned little from your losses.
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.04 08:24:00 -
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Aria Jenneth.
No, my view is that the law passed disenfranchising the citizens of the regions meant that the fundamental constitutionality of the election is in question. The election is invalid if it does not follow the social contract between the government and the governed. Hence my statements here and in my previous thread regarding the No Vote law.
Your view on my "arrogance" is highly ironic, coming from you.
Human nature is universal; it is in our genetic code and metaphysical existance. Human rights are derived from natural law, which is in turn a result of the universal human nature. Social contracts require that liberties be limits to respect the rights of others. However, if violence is used to strip rights from others, than it is a crime.
It is this act the Caldari and Amarrians are presently undertaking.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.12.04 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter Human nature is universal; it is in our genetic code and metaphysical existance. Human rights are derived from natural law, which is in turn a result of the universal human nature. Social contracts require that liberties be limits to respect the rights of others. However, if violence is used to strip rights from others, than it is a crime.
It is this act the Caldari and Amarrians are presently undertaking.
"Natural law," Mr. Soter, is an idea, much like rights. And ideas differ.
The human moral impulse may be (nearly) universal, but it finds expression in a broad variety of ways. Some societies enshrine revenge. Others shun it. In Gallentean society, it is considered morally wrong to try to force a particular religion on another. In much of Amarrian society, it is considered morally wrong not to try. Both rules are based in a deep sense that one has certain duties to others.
What those duties are understood to be-- there lies the difference.
If the rights and liberties the Gallente so cherish were written in human genetic code, it should then be surprising that only a minority of humans live in societies that respect them as the Gallente do. And if your society does indeed have a monopoly on obedience to natural law, how exactly does your crusade to thrust this obedience down the rest of our throats differ from that of the Amarr, whose claim differs mostly in that their "natural law" was written by their God?
People, and peoples, find their own paths through life, Julianus. It is an arrogant and a dangerous culture that holds its own values to be universal.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.04 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Aria Jenneth And if your society does indeed have a monopoly on obedience to natural law, how exactly does your crusade to thrust this obedience down the rest of our throats differ from that of the Amarr, whose claim differs mostly in that their "natural law" was written by their God?
While we require God to have passed the laws which dictate how others should live, the Federation believes that it has discovered these laws on its own. So they're slightly more arrogant than we are. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.04 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion Typical pandering to racist and xenophobic attitudes present in the Federation to enlist more souls for the meat grinder.
Says the gentleman who wants a 'final sunrise' above Gallente Prime?
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.04 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 04/12/2009 09:36:32
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Originally by: Vikarion Typical pandering to racist and xenophobic attitudes present in the Federation to enlist more souls for the meat grinder.
Says the gentleman who wants a 'final sunrise' above Gallente Prime?
You are an outright liar, as has been proven before.
I have never "wanted" it. But I would see the Federation burn before they are allowed to impose their values on the State or our home planet again.
That is how loathsome your arrogance is.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.04 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores Says the gentleman who wants a 'final sunrise' above Gallente Prime?
A final sunrise on Gallente Prime will be the response to an attempt on the part of the Federation to re-occupy Caldari Prime. It is a simple choice; the Gallente can have their homeworld or they can attempt to take ours.
As for threats of annihilating the State, gods and spirits you are the mirror images of the Amarr.
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Tomahawk Bliss
Minmatar DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.04 19:19:00 -
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.08 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Julianus Soter on 08/12/2009 22:07:41 Today, with the liberation of Covryn, we have just begun our fight.
A victory over Tibus Heth is a victory for all mankind.
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Jakiin
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Posted - 2009.12.08 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter Edited by: Julianus Soter on 08/12/2009 22:07:41 Today, with the liberation of Covryn, we have just begun our fight.
A victory over Tibus Heth is a victory for all mankind.
People who benefit from Tibus Heth:
The Caldari, via his purges of corruption within the State. The Amarr, via the Protectorate's assistance to the 24th.
People who are harmed by Tibus Heth:
The Federation, via getting their rears whooped by the State. The Matari, via the Protectorate's assistance to the 24th.
So by 'all mankind' you mean 'The Federation and our allies.' ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jakiin Holder Heir of the Kingdom 'Pacifist Reclaimer' |
Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.09 00:10:00 -
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That is easy to explain, Mr. Jakiin. According to the Federation, the Caldari are not human.
This is how they justify their actions, from raping POWs to bombarding worlds.
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Souvera Corvus
SPORADIC MOVEMENT Cult of War
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Posted - 2009.12.09 04:59:00 -
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The Caldari attacks upon Minmatar territory are proof, if ever it was needed, that the rhetoric which constantly refers to Caldari Prime and taking of what was once Caldari is as empty as it sounds.
What feats of rhetorical gymnastics will we see from Vikarion in an effort to justify caldari aggression on this occasion. What pitiable efforts will be made to exonerate Heth and his rapacious corporate lackeys in their effort to spread the creed of exploitation?
Vikarion speaks of ****?
Heth and those Caldari that cleave to his murderous agenda have been guilty of murder, ****, extortion and exploitation on a scale which history will bear witness to.
There will be a price to be paid.
Covryn is just the start.
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.09 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Souvera Corvus The Caldari attacks upon Minmatar territory are proof, if ever it was needed, that the rhetoric which constantly refers to Caldari Prime and taking of what was once Caldari is as empty as it sounds.
What feats of rhetorical gymnastics will we see from Vikarion in an effort to justify caldari aggression on this occasion. What pitiable efforts will be made to exonerate Heth and his rapacious corporate lackeys in their effort to spread the creed of exploitation?
Vikarion speaks of ****?
Heth and those Caldari that cleave to his murderous agenda have been guilty of murder, ****, extortion and exploitation on a scale which history will bear witness to.
There will be a price to be paid.
Covryn is just the start.
What gymnastics? Simple. The Minmatar have been aiding the FDU long before the Caldari aided the Crusade in any meaningful way. That the Caldari are more competent and the Minmatar more vocal changes nothing about the fact that each side has allies, and tries to aid them to avoid being overrun on their flanks.
"Heth and his corporate lackeys"? I assure you, there are a variety of different opinions amongst the Megacorp leadership. Heth's just is the most popular at the moment.
This isn't Caldari aggression. Nor is it even Amarrian aggression. The Gallente and Minmatar were the first to deeply invade the territories of their opponents. You are hypocrites and liars to paint this as something uniquely Caldari.
As far as murder, extortion, and exploitation go, there's neither evidence for that nor historical precedent.
The Gallente commit genocide, the Caldari do not. The Gallente invade the worlds of others, the Caldari only do so once invaded. The Gallente **** other cultures, the Caldari espouse a "live and let live" philosophy. The Gallente post on this board urging the death of all Caldari, the Caldari advocate only victory.
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Jianni Sotaku
Eleutherian Guard
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Posted - 2009.12.09 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
The Gallente commit genocide, the Caldari do not. The Gallente invade the worlds of others, the Caldari only do so once invaded. The Gallente **** other cultures, the Caldari espouse a "live and let live" philosophy. The Gallente post on this board urging the death of all Caldari, the Caldari advocate only victory.
Wow. That's a lot of accusation right there. Yet I can say that I, nor my nation have ever done anything like this to the Caldari or any other race except perhaps our own, but even then it would only be a note in the annals of history.
Your blindness to the fact that the Gallentean Forces that did those things are no more, the Federation now standing in its place.
I have many... friends... Amongst the Caldari. Those who are not so quick to judge those they have never met, or a culture they do not understand. I would not want to see them, or their families annihilated. I think its abhorrent that you would even think of me and those I care about as such demons. -------
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Vikarion
Caldari Chorus of Nephilim
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Posted - 2009.12.09 06:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jianni Sotaku
Wow. That's a lot of accusation right there. Yet I can say that I, nor my nation have ever done anything like this to the Caldari or any other race except perhaps our own, but even then it would only be a note in the annals of history.
Your blindness to the fact that the Gallentean Forces that did those things are no more, the Federation now standing in its place.
I have many... friends... Amongst the Caldari. Those who are not so quick to judge those they have never met, or a culture they do not understand. I would not want to see them, or their families annihilated. I think its abhorrent that you would even think of me and those I care about as such demons.
It was the Federation then, it is the Federation now. There has been no change. It was the Federation that proclaimed the Caldari would be forever silenced as a prelude to the indiscriminate orbital razing of our world, and it is the Federation that enshrines those same quotes today in their ranking system.
And I've never advocated the killing of Gallente civilians. I advocate the Caldari winning. I remind the Caldari of what the Gallente Federation is, so that we will never forget. Because if we do not stay vigilant, there will be another genocide, and the Caldari people might not recover from that.
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Rayth Phaenor
Caldari Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.09 08:24:00 -
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Heh.
I am continually amused at how we take the angry rants of loosely aligned capsuleers as evidence of mass national sentiment.
Originally by: Souvera Corvus The Caldari attacks upon Minmatar territory are proof, if ever it was needed, that the rhetoric which constantly refers to Caldari Prime and taking of what was once Caldari is as empty as it sounds.
When the Empires have effectively unleashed packs of rabid, immortal wolves on each other do you really expect those wolves to care who they're fighting or why?
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.11 07:30:00 -
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Today was truly a great day for the peoples of the Federation. We liberated three systems from Provist occupation: Dastryns, Iges, and Oicx.
And thus, we shall continue our fight. Each step we take calls into question Tibus Heth's leadership and strategic planning. Every system we liberate brings our nation closer to victory against Heth's Provists.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.12.11 08:02:00 -
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Yes, nicely done. Your progress is equal to that of the State Protectorate's advance at its peak. That, however, says less about Tibus Heth than it does about the State Protectorate's campaign alongside the Amarr. Your rapid advance seems to call for a swift change in strategy.
Offhand, it seems most likely that your successes are more of a threat to the Amarr than to the Caldari. That is part of the point, isn't it-- strike hard against unprotected holdings so that the Caldari will have no choice but to recall their fleets?
That, at least, you should reliably succeed at.
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Gabriel Darkefyre
Minmatar Shadows Of The Federation
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Posted - 2009.12.11 10:56:00 -
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Perhaps Originally, Miss Jenneth. However, the success at Covryn had a very unexpected effect upon the Gallente Militia as a Whole.
Suddenly, they had physical proof that what they had believed to be impossible could actually be achieved. The Contrast has been amazing, to be frank. Last week, all the talk on Militia Channels was of Large Fleet Battles as it has been for the last year or so.
This week, the Intel Channels are being flooded with reports coming in of Installation Captures all across the Warzone. Covryn was achieved through a small group who never gave up hope that it could be done.
We Lit a fire with that Capture in the Hearts of the Gallente Militia. A Burning Hope for the Future.
When the Caldari do return from the Amarrian Theater, they may find that their task has suddenly become a lot more difficult. No longer do they merely face a few determined souls. Now they face a Militia united in Purpose. ---------------
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Julianus Soter
Gallente Moira.
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Posted - 2009.12.11 14:24:00 -
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Well said, Gabriel, well said.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2009.12.11 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Darkefyre When the Caldari do return from the Amarrian Theater, they may find that their task has suddenly become a lot more difficult. No longer do they merely face a few determined souls. Now they face a Militia united in Purpose.
Well, considering that many of those systems were originally taken so easily as a result of willful strategic blindness by the Gallente militia, I should very much hope so.
However, spirit or no, if the State Protectorate pilots can't stop you they'll really have no one to blame but themselves. It won't be Heth's fault; it'll be theirs.
So-- we'll see, won't we, pilots?
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