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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.04 22:37:00 -
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My merlin fit is already posted in this thread! But i stop putting blasters on it about 2 months ago and havent lost one of thoughs yet! Im gunna try and get more kills with the hawk in the future not so much t1 ships but t2 assault ships, so i can prove that the hawk is not as garbage as most claim! To date the only assault ships my hawk destroyed, has been the jaguar. But im more than confident i can destroy the Enyo, Wolf, retribution, and Harpy! but we will see...
I will use this...So wish me luck!
[Hawk, Hawk/Rocket] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Medium Shield Extender II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Thorn Rocket Small Energy Neutralizer II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
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Conwakleferibok
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Posted - 2009.12.05 03:48:00 -
[62]
I can't believe you post this **** with a straight face.
HAM Cerb with 3 fitting mods? Oh god... and people seem to respect you lol.
Then your "solo" Rook fit, Jesus tapdancing Christ! 1. 4 multispecs instead of 4 racials. 2. Using PDA rigs instead of SDAs (and moving BCU to rigslots). <- You do know theres a 10% shield HP penalty for ECM rigs? 3. 12k EHP... not impressed.
I get dumber the more I read these forums.
PS - Blaster Scorp and Laser Raven, my new hero!
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kessah
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.07 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I especially like your take on the Moa - it's the same one I'd come to. It actually is competitive with a similarly skilled Thorax pilot. That fight *WILL* come down to who has the best player+pilot skills.
Only if the Rax pilot is nice and bring damage drones instead of EC-600 in my experience. A Moa got no decent anti drone capability (3 unbonused warriors will take their sweet time killing ECM drones if you were lucky enough not to be jammed early).
And going ECM drones yourself is not really an option, 3 EC-300 don't nearly compare in jamming power to 5 EC-600.
Interesting point, you will most likely need to rely on the fact your Kin/thermal resistances will defend you long enough to have the ability to kill his jamming drones.
Luck based, so anything could happen really. I generally prefer using damaging drones.
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MADDOGzors
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 17:44:00 -
[64]
There's a lot of EFT warriors in this thread.
I understand you made these fits for the less experienced pilots. Best advice I can give caldari pilots is buy a crystal set. Isk is not hard to make so I don't want to hear that excuse. If you want to solo, passive tanks is the wrong way to go. You need to be able to stay on the field to solo, a passive tank just puts a time limit on your fight while an active tank keeps you in the fight til you run out of cap boosters.
The rokh is capable of amazing things solo. You can search me on battleclinic for fits and I have the kills to back it up. The ravens tank is no where near the rokhs but it brings the extra dps. Bad thing is torps suck against sub-bs.
And for you people hating on active tanks, please find me any passive bs that can tank 100k+ on a consistent basis fighting outnumbered. The rokh is where it's at for caldari.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.12.07 18:24:00 -
[65]
:facepalm:
Yes, the correct ship class for soloing is a battleship. Don't worry about not having the scan res to catch anything that doesn't want to be caught, and not having the mobility to escape unfavourable situations.
Yes, crystal-blue pill active BS/Drakes/Nighthawks can do some seriously sick tanking. But soloing isn't about tanking. It's either about expendable suicide gank ships or being able to apply good DPS at range with good mobility. It's about getting in, ganking, then getting out. The Caracal and Drake both pass the "decent mobility and good DPS at range" tests, thanks to innate Caldari agility and shield tanking.
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kessah
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.07 18:26:00 -
[66]
Originally by: MADDOGzors There's a lot of EFT warriors in this thread.
I understand you made these fits for the less experienced pilots. Best advice I can give caldari pilots is buy a crystal set. Isk is not hard to make so I don't want to hear that excuse. If you want to solo, passive tanks is the wrong way to go. You need to be able to stay on the field to solo, a passive tank just puts a time limit on your fight while an active tank keeps you in the fight til you run out of cap boosters.
The rokh is capable of amazing things solo. You can search me on battleclinic for fits and I have the kills to back it up. The ravens tank is no where near the rokhs but it brings the extra dps. Bad thing is torps suck against sub-bs.
And for you people hating on active tanks, please find me any passive bs that can tank 100k+ on a consistent basis fighting outnumbered. The rokh is where it's at for caldari.
I most definitely agree with you, the Rokh is fantastic with a Crystal set, however alot of setups would be with a 800m Low-grade set. I could'nt possibly place setups on this thread using them because of the price tag of them.
Again alot of players fight in 0.0 also and with the risk of podding massively increased, it would not be wise to fit them while in these areas of eve.
To anyone with abit of isk however, MADDOGzors is correct and if you are a low sec dweller or in Empire wars the investment is well worth it.
Downside is, it can be more skill intensive with reguards to cap management, overloading, neuting and such. You need to keep your eye on the ball alot more than with a passive tank.
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MADDOGzors
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 18:38:00 -
[67]
You told him in a more kind way than I was going to. Listen gypsy boy, the rokh isn't a vaga. You may enjoy popping frigs and running with your tail between your legs, but I'd rather kill everything and get the loot.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.12.07 19:11:00 -
[68]
I fully appreciate the power of pimped shield tanks. But I don't like the mobility issues of soloing in a BS. Which is I never bothered plugging in my Crystal set. BTW, cap boosters are just as much of a "time limit" as shield HP.
A solo BS wandering about screams "bait". I haven't been playing much lately, but I doubt much has changed in the last month - people assume that you have a ganksquad next door, and take appropriate precautions. I'd much rather have some degree of control over the engagement, some tactical options open to me, rather than just sitting there hoping I don't get neuted too much or a Rook doesn't warp in. Plenty of lowsec is simply too dangerous to go roaming in a solo BS.
Yes, active pimped BS work. Just like buffer-tanked sub-BS work. Your advice, that you need a Crystal set and a BS, and that buffer-tanking is foolish, is not helpful.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.07 19:33:00 -
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Edited by: Proxyyyy on 07/12/2009 19:34:49 Battleships meh! sooner or later ill solo in them more but! Gypsio is more than correct about what they are lacking. Mind you i dont think much of piloting a bs! no offense kessah! I personaly think that the hardest class of ship to fly are cruisers the second being battlecruiser's! I agree that sitting ,damage and tanking is pretty much all a battleship are made for! Not so much the tempest taht i will be flying like a rupture!
To MADDOGzors point about active tanking, im not sure anyone made any real comments in this thread about them being fail! Imo i perfer a hybrid tank etup over both buffer and active. What is a hybrid tank? Hurricane with 1 armor repair and 1600mm plate! I also prefer shield buffers over amour because of natural regen!
My only intrest in flying a maelstrom which i will be flying over a rokh is, just find a mix gate camp of cruisers and 1 or 2 bc's then begin to **** face! Since i already do similar things in bc and below i dont realy have to limit my self to one ship! Which is what you seem to be suggesting MADDOGzors since its very apparent you have almost no experience with any other cal ship other than the rokh!
I dont respect kessah because i think he is some uber bs pilot, cause i know a few of them. What i respect about kessah is the fact he thinks outside of the box. MADDOGzors you seem to be suggesting that there is only one setup worth using and that active tank is the only way to go all the time!
OH! Kessah i think a hybrid setuo could out last your active tank setups! Unless you have a neutral alt feeding you cap boosters = )
Also i got about a billion worth of implants and hardwires in my head MADDOGzors! Slave btw, mainly because theyre are only 2 - 3 ships that i would use that active shield tank!
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MADDOGzors
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 19:44:00 -
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Buffer rokh can lose to one bs. Active rokh can take on 2-3 bs and win.
Please explain why anyone would choose buffer over active.
My cap boosters last a long time, and I can loot some from wrecks. If I run out they deserve my killmail and can drool over my 100-130k or so dmg tanked that took them 5+ minutes to accomplish.
Again who needs mobility when the kills come to you. If you have flown a rokh a lot you know what you can't engage.
I've never heard more "how the hell..." comments about any other ship. I'm pretty sure that means something.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 19:55:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 07/12/2009 19:55:24
Originally by: MADDOGzors Buffer rokh can lose to one bs. Active rokh can take on 2-3 bs and win.
Please explain why anyone would choose buffer over active.
Just to point out that 2-3 battleships will be dealing 3500-5000 DPS. Your Rokh won't tank that. You *WILL* lose to 3 battleships of equal skill. There's this *CRAZY* battleship called "A Tempest" that will likely smash the hell out of you if you try to (foolishly) active tank.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
MADDOGzors
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:05:00 -
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This is exactly why I said 2-3.
For example: Of equal skilled pilots - it will beat 2 megas. It will not beat 3 abaddons. It can beat 3 bs's, because I've done it multiple times. And if you do fight those 3 abaddons you will kill one of them before going down.
Don't worry, you're not the first person to not believe the rokh can tank 3 bs's. I know it can, because I've done it, where's the basis for your standpoint.
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Caleb Fury
Amarr Did I just do that
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Proxyyyy Another Fit without a MWD
I wanted to ask you proxyyyy, Are your fits for lowsec or agreed upons 1 vs 1's? I'm not teasing or being douchey. I just have to know because I won't undock anything without a MWD. I'm not saying you don't have your victories, I just have to know how you can be mobile with fitting an AB on your frigs.
Are you tackling?
I really like the Merlin model, however I can't see a reason to fly it if I can't get a reasonable fit with a MWD. Before someone chimes in, yes a MWD is mandatory. Unless you are doing a mission.
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Dong Fang
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:14:00 -
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i think it true caldar ship are batter in gang generally BUT with cureent climate of stpidity solo caldari has great advangtage.. if you lose solo caldair so what? is no thing to kill them...ah but if you win flow the tears...i sure th jaguar pilo tkilled by proxyyyyyy hawk has deep sadness |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:16:00 -
[75]
Originally by: MADDOGzors Edited by: MADDOGzors on 07/12/2009 20:07:15 This is exactly why I said 2-3.
For example: Of equal skilled pilots - it will beat 2 megas. It will not beat 3 abaddons. It can beat 3 bs's, because I've done it multiple times. And if you do fight those 3 abaddons you will kill one of them before going down.
Don't worry, you're not the first person to not believe the rokh can tank 3 bs's. I know it can, because I've done it, where's the basis for your standpoint.
lol @ tempest. Was that a troll.
Tanking 3 failfit BS's isn't really something special. Once I killed a Comrorant, Ferox, Prophecy, and Caracal in a *CROW*. Solo. At the same time. Therefore the crow can always do it.
Also, no, the Tempest wasn't a troll. You would lose to a good Tempest fit.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
MADDOGzors
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:24:00 -
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I've never lost to a tempest or any 1v1. You obviously have no clue what the rokh can do. Your tempest would melt because your tank is horrible no matter how you fit it. Your 2 heavy nuets won't matter because you'd be dead before you come close to capping me out. I won't allow you to get range to kite me. So please no more talk about a tempest.
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:34:00 -
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Originally by: Caleb Fury
Originally by: Proxyyyy Another Fit without a MWD
I wanted to ask you proxyyyy, Are your fits for lowsec or agreed upons 1 vs 1's? I'm not teasing or being douchey. I just have to know because I won't undock anything without a MWD. I'm not saying you don't have your victories, I just have to know how you can be mobile with fitting an AB on your frigs.
Are you tackling?
I really like the Merlin model, however I can't see a reason to fly it if I can't get a reasonable fit with a MWD. Before someone chimes in, yes a MWD is mandatory. Unless you are doing a mission.
Theyre are alot of dudes that want to duel me bro. But i have a no duel policy! Imo duels are not pvp! Um to your question about mwd or ab's. Its realy up to you bro! Pretty much go out there and sooner or later you'll get a fit that works for you. My fits are my own and are not suppose to be the be all end all! I was of the opinion awhile back that you must fit mwd's if your solo'ing in null. But after having a covo with a genos and compared his experience with ab's in null with my own. I realy came to the conclusion that it realy doesnt matter! I have been in situtions where i was like **** i wish i had a mwd and the other way around! So yeah try it and if you dont like it fit somthing else... here is the merlin fitted with a MWD!
[Merlin, Merlin/Blaster] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Medium Shield Extender II 1MN MicroWarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II
Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Antimatter Charge S Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Small Core Defence Field Extender I Small Core Defence Field Extender I
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: MADDOGzors I've never lost to a tempest or any 1v1. You obviously have no clue what the rokh can do. Your tempest would melt because your tank is horrible no matter how you fit it. Your 2 heavy nuets won't matter because you'd be dead before you come close to capping me out. I won't allow you to get range to kite me. So please no more talk about a tempest.
I *AM* actually aware of what the Rokh can do. I am *ALSO* aware of what the Tempest can do. You vastly overestimate your tank and damage under 2 heavy neuts and a TD. You vastly underestimate the Tempest's tank. It's not like I haven't dueled Rokhs before. Obviously, the No True Scotsman applies here, since obviously they weren't true Rokh pilots!
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
kessah
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:43:00 -
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MADDOGzors & Liang, why dont you both head over the test server and have a gentlemen's 1v1.
Both sit on a gate, jump through and fight. About as random on range as you can be.
I agree and disagree with both of you. So id be interested to see what came out on top.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:48:00 -
[80]
Originally by: kessah MADDOGzors & Liang, why dont you both head over the test server and have a gentlemen's 1v1.
Both sit on a gate, jump through and fight. About as random on range as you can be.
I agree and disagree with both of you. So id be interested to see what came out on top.
It's been a while since I dueled a True Rokh pilot, but I'm *ALMOST* willing to break my alt's anonymity to have a duel against one. I'll think about it, and I'll be around in 8-12 hours (depending when I get home from work).
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
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MADDOGzors
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 20:48:00 -
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I've already fought max skilled tempest pilots dozens of times on sisi that had hg slaves and their 5%'s. I'd beat your tempest even if I was under sentry fire. Waste of time. Look me up on tq if you want to be another stat on our kb so bad.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.07 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 07/12/2009 21:17:11
Originally by: MADDOGzors I've already fought max skilled tempest pilots dozens of times on sisi that had hg slaves and their 5%'s. I'd beat your tempest even if I was under sentry fire. Waste of time. Look me up on tq if you want to be another stat on our kb so bad.
Funny, but i've fought the T2 rigged HG crystalled max skilled blue pilled Rokhs dozens of times on sisi and didn't have any trouble sitting there grinding them into dirt. Waste of time to duel you. Look me up on TQ if you want to be just another stat on my kb so bad.
Addendum: I don't fly Liang much (hell, I don't fly *ANYTHING* much right now! Combinations of Work and Dragon Age really eat into my Eve time!)
-Liang
Ed: BTW, /unsubscribe. I've got work to do (speaking of it) -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
Terianna Eri
Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2009.12.07 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Just to point out that 2-3 battleships will be dealing 3500-5000 DPS. Your Rokh won't tank that. You *WILL* lose to 3 battleships of equal skill. There's this *CRAZY* battleship called "A Tempest" that will likely smash the hell out of you if you try to (foolishly) active tank.
-Liang
3 Battleships dealing 3500 dps? Maybe. If they were all max-skilled gank-fit battleships. 3 Battleships dealing 5000 dps? Really? 3 BS, all fit with 1600+ DPS?
I'm pretty skeptical. ________________
Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.12.07 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: MADDOGzors I won't allow you to get range to kite me.
He won't allow it.
Right. You may not fit MWDs on BS, but others aren't so foolish. The Tempest will effortlessly sit at 20 km. With the tracking disruptor, your Null DPS will be feeble, about 270, and easily tanked on a single rep. You'll burn your charges, then die.
Alternatively, just MWD in, get scrambled, then orbit the Rokh while disrupting its tracking. With 80 m/s transversal, the Tempest will take 20% damage at 2.5 km. Again, easily tanked, Rokh caps out and dies.
Of course, this all assumes that nobody else interrupts this fantasy BS 1v1...
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kessah
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.12.07 22:31:00 -
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They will need to go to the test server. No point in making it personal lads, you both make fair points, i would be interested to see this.
Fit up 3 Rokh's and 3 Tempests and have at it. See who wins best 2 out of 3.
Again you both make fair points, but im airing slightly on the side of the Tempest personally, just because i have dueled a HG crystal set Rokh awhile ago and beat him without Slaves.
Can we place some bets? Im willing to stick some money down
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Sharbat
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Posted - 2009.12.08 11:02:00 -
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I'd be interested in a Tempest Fit specifically against a Blaster Rokh :)
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Proxyyyy
Caldari The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.08 13:35:00 -
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This is a fight i would love to have! Infact even if i couldnt win in the real thing, i would just leave. Which is the sey option that the Rifter, Rupture and tempest have. The Tempest is more agile than other bs's. If im engaging smaller targets i sit and tank like a bs. If im engaging another bs i use my speed, agility, neut, amour repper, drones and barrage to keep range and pepper them to death! Its somthing i do with the rupture when i kite af's and firgates so they cant get under my guns. Also the same tactics i use to kite ships like the thorax.
But tbh i realy dont think that td will help to much against the rokh! I will be taking a hella alot of damage even at range! Maybe duel td's would work?
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Irish Ranger1
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Posted - 2009.12.09 22:35:00 -
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what happend? did they even man up to each other or was it just all talk?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2009.12.09 22:36:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Irish Ranger1 what happend? did they even man up to each other or was it just all talk?
He said he didn't wanna do it. So, no, nothing ever happened.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.12.09 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Originally by: Gypsio III :facepalm:
Yes, the correct ship class for soloing is a battleship. Don't worry about not having the scan res to catch anything that doesn't want to be caught, and not having the mobility to escape unfavourable situations.
Yes, crystal-blue pill active BS/Drakes/Nighthawks can do some seriously sick tanking. But soloing isn't about tanking. It's either about expendable suicide gank ships or being able to apply good DPS at range with good mobility. It's about getting in, ganking, then getting out. The Caracal and Drake both pass the "decent mobility and good DPS at range" tests, thanks to innate Caldari agility and shield tanking.
Gypsio im going to have to strongly disagree with some of what you said their.
Battleship solo is about tank, you play a defensive yet aggressive role when you kill. You dont chase targets, you let them come to you.
This is Defensive PVP and it works very well. This is where tanking *active or passive* is supremely important, this is how i mostly PVP. Jumping into contested systems making myself look like a tempting target.
You targets are people that want to pvp, not the ones avoiding it and its also where the most fun is, because you fighting something that can fight back.
No disrespect intended, i simply wanted to put that point of view out there, you may disagree with me on this one. Ofc that is your right to do so
I'm afraid I'm with Gypsio on this one - a BS cannot pick fights with people who don't want to engage. People who do want to engage probably have the measure of you. I cannot honestly think of a single fight in the last year which I would have 'won' (as in 'killed something') in a Rokh, solo.
I just cannot think of an occasion where I've seen 1-2 BS to fight in something like that. I assure you, if I had, my Raven would have been used... er. at all actually.
In theory, 2:1 odds BS to BS ... yeah, ok I might accept that a crystalled Rokh can do that. Practically speaking, I haven't seen that scenario evolve.
Biggest I 'solo' in is a Drake, and when I say 'solo' I mean 'but I scout it, because it'll get toasted in a camp'.
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