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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2011.02.28 20:36:00 -
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Wow, carebears MUST suffer is a little intense. Carebears do not need to suffer but they should not be completely safe and the same goes for suicide ganking it should be difficult (which it is). The system is balanced and the increase in suicide ganking is a result of high sec residents not taking adequate precautions to protect themselves. Insurance payouts on ships are lower now for many ships than they were in the past so that argument is not entirely convincing. ------ Support Manalapan for CSM!
Fixing EVE The Player That Makes EVE Stronger
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Sofaking Weetawded
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Posted - 2011.02.28 21:24:00 -
[332]
Supported.
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Jade Knight07
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Posted - 2011.03.01 06:44:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Knight07 on 01/03/2011 06:44:27 This "fix" is a no brainer.
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Persephone Lee
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Posted - 2011.03.02 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Byng I am sure that this is in here, but it makes sense and I didn't see it in the first 3 pages.
Concorde needs to stop paying out insurance for ships that Concorde killed. I am OK with a group of pirates killing an Itty 5 for the 5 bil in cargo the guy is moving AFK. But 10 people in t1 battleships shouldn't be able to gang up on someone's mission/exploration ship and get virtually all their cost refunded.
Supported
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Johnny Lou
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Posted - 2011.03.18 13:11:00 -
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Edited by: Johnny Lou on 18/03/2011 13:12:18 This should apply to anyone who starts a conflict. If you're looking for trouble (by shooting a neutral or by stealing), your insurance is void.
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Korg Leaf
Time Bandits. Waterboard
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Posted - 2011.03.18 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Lou Edited by: Johnny Lou on 18/03/2011 13:12:18 This should apply to anyone who starts a conflict. If you're looking for trouble (by shooting a neutral or by stealing), your insurance is void.
That is a terrible idea, this is a pvp game remember. Why should pvp players get there insurance voided?
I will only support the complete removal or no removal. As any change to insurance will have little to no effect on suicide ganking, as they will just use cheaper ships.
The only way to actually stop suicide ganking is to stop the idiots who think that flying around with billions of isk in their untanked hauler. Like this guy Idiots
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.03.18 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Korg Leaf
Originally by: Johnny Lou Edited by: Johnny Lou on 18/03/2011 13:12:18 This should apply to anyone who starts a conflict. If you're looking for trouble (by shooting a neutral or by stealing), your insurance is void.
That is a terrible idea, this is a pvp game remember. Why should pvp players get there insurance voided?
I will only support the complete removal or no removal. As any change to insurance will have little to no effect on suicide ganking, as they will just use cheaper ships.
The only way to actually stop suicide ganking is to stop the idiots who think that flying around with billions of isk in their untanked hauler. Like this guy Idiots
I'd assume he's referring only to highsec, which triggers concord, not lowsec. And of course Concord voiding insurance will have a big effect. Suicide ganking means 11k volley BS gankboats, as the number of thrashers required to gank a carebear BS is unrealistic to coordinate. Concord voiding insurance would raise threshold of the mission runner's value from ~50mil to ~500mil before gank, assuming lucky drop rate. Of course, it wouldn't save this guy: http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=7309710 But he doesn't need saving. To answer your question, it will help carebears using mods better than t2 but still reasonable fits, but not lol fits, which works as intended.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.03.18 17:13:00 -
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This STILL hasn't been done? Seriously, just do it already.
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Ehvon
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Posted - 2011.03.24 04:29:00 -
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Supported.
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zenzion zymurgy
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Posted - 2011.03.24 20:19:00 -
[340]
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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.04.03 00:04:00 -
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Howabout a system in which players who lose ships more often have to pay more to insure their ship? That way high-sec pirates and careless players will be at a disadvantage with insurance, instead of how it is now where those who lose ships most gain the most from insurance. -- "[Reaver Glitterstim] I will make your war look like a schoolyard scuffle, FATHER."
-Lyra Belacquae telling what my avatar is probably thinking |
The Mittani
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Posted - 2011.04.03 00:17:00 -
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I love suicide ganks.
The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster
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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.04.03 05:17:00 -
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^^^ | | |
Folks, this is who you elected as CSM chairman. I hope you're happy now. -- "[Reaver Glitterstim] I will make your war look like a schoolyard scuffle, FATHER."
-Lyra Belacquae telling what my avatar is probably thinking |
Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.04.03 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim ^^^ | | |
Folks, this is who you elected as CSM chairman. I hope you're happy now.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the majority of players that voted for Mitts also love suicide ganking. ♥
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Malcanis
Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2011.04.03 09:14:00 -
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If AFK hauler alts were a more organised voting bloc, perhaps they'd have someome to represent their special interests.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Eldaec
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Posted - 2011.04.03 10:16:00 -
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Edited by: Eldaec on 03/04/2011 10:25:11 Would support this if insurance is also voided for anyone murdering the innocent belt, dedspace, and mission dwelling NPC people of New Eden.
Also, on condition that the fascist Concord mob enforcers are toned down so that the freedom loving forces that defend New Eden from those raping her natural resources and terrorising the innocent NPCs can realistically best Concord in honorable combat. |
Eldaec
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Posted - 2011.04.03 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: Eldaec on 03/04/2011 10:27:42 Srsly why do you hate freedom?
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Awesome Possum
Original Sin. PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
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Posted - 2011.04.03 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Eldaec Edited by: Eldaec on 03/04/2011 10:27:42 Srsly why do you hate freedom?
+1 ♥
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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.04.03 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Awesome Possum
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the majority of players that voted for Mitts also love suicide ganking.
That's not the point. The point is that Mittens just likes to hear himself talk. He has no platform, and he's useless. He likes to talk big. In fact, when everyone else running was putting up posts in Jita Park Speakers Corner telling what they would do if elected, he had a big shpiel about the history of EVE and his own biased views on how things work.
THIS is who you voted for people. This is your beloved Mittens: "I represent my voters, not random dudes with entitlement complexes who assume that 'the playerbase' means 'ignoring everyone who voted for candidates who they personally don't like'."
"im basically a walking talking posting hidden agenda, hth"
"yo we want a pos mod onlining queue poses make me want to stab myself in the eye JUST THINKING ABOUT THEM holy ****
ok peace out im thinkin bout you, pos dudes, gonna pour out a 40 in your honor~"
"going to reykjavik would be worth it purely to eat the flesh of an intelligent mammal as delicious as the minkie whale, forget all the booze and the blondes wearing basically nothing and the bars open until 6am on weekends"
"what i learned from these stats is that i'm a baller"
"death2allbob"
"your suffering and incoherence pleases me. ~1700 votes for me came from GSF, the rest from the community as a whole
"more threads like this please, i require a constant supply of agony to maintain interest in this game~"
Aside from his constant replying to topics with disinterest, rudeness, and an often-drunk appearance, he will periodically make statements either about obvious problems with the game and give no clear solution as to how to fix it, or he'll throw his own biased views around. He freely admits his own fallacies and even seems proud of them at times. And then in an arrogant fashion he will claim to have great underlying traits that, quite frankly, I don't see in him. He verbally attacks players whom he disagrees with, and would appear to spend more time coming up with clever insults than he does trying to contribute to the discussion. He flames intelligent posts right in the Assembly Hall. Just look up any part of his posting history and see if you can find anything that doesn't match what I just said about him. --
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Mihai1
Heaven's Army Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.04.03 23:27:00 -
[350]
yea
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Dream Raven
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.04 02:13:00 -
[351]
how can you be mad at a man with a cute puppy? ~ cute vampress ~ |
The Mittani
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Posted - 2011.04.04 03:13:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim
Originally by: Awesome Possum
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the majority of players that voted for Mitts also love suicide ganking.
That's not the point. The point is that Mittens just likes to hear himself talk. He has no platform, and he's useless. He likes to talk big. In fact, when everyone else running was putting up posts in Jita Park Speakers Corner telling what they would do if elected, he had a big shpiel about the history of EVE and his own biased views on how things work.
THIS is who you voted for people. This is your beloved Mittens: "I represent my voters, not random dudes with entitlement complexes who assume that 'the playerbase' means 'ignoring everyone who voted for candidates who they personally don't like'."
"im basically a walking talking posting hidden agenda, hth"
"yo we want a pos mod onlining queue poses make me want to stab myself in the eye JUST THINKING ABOUT THEM holy ****
ok peace out im thinkin bout you, pos dudes, gonna pour out a 40 in your honor~"
"going to reykjavik would be worth it purely to eat the flesh of an intelligent mammal as delicious as the minkie whale, forget all the booze and the blondes wearing basically nothing and the bars open until 6am on weekends"
"what i learned from these stats is that i'm a baller"
"death2allbob"
"your suffering and incoherence pleases me. ~1700 votes for me came from GSF, the rest from the community as a whole
"more threads like this please, i require a constant supply of agony to maintain interest in this game~"
Aside from his constant replying to topics with disinterest, rudeness, and an often-drunk appearance, he will periodically make statements either about obvious problems with the game and give no clear solution as to how to fix it, or he'll throw his own biased views around. He freely admits his own fallacies and even seems proud of them at times. And then in an arrogant fashion he will claim to have great underlying traits that, quite frankly, I don't see in him. He verbally attacks players whom he disagrees with, and would appear to spend more time coming up with clever insults than he does trying to contribute to the discussion. He flames intelligent posts right in the Assembly Hall. Just look up any part of his posting history and see if you can find anything that doesn't match what I just said about him.
your posts aren't intelligent so i guess that means i'm not going to be flaming them~
The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster
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Tyme Xandr
Dark Circle Enforcement
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Posted - 2011.04.05 04:23:00 -
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Fully supported. No need to reward people for suicide ganking. if anything give them 1000 virgins. [≡v≡] |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.05 05:07:00 -
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there are portions of highsec I can enter i should fix that
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LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.13 05:55:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani I love suicide ganks.
The argument here isn't that Suicide ganks aren't fun or that they shouldn't be allowed, The issue is that if you rob a bank and get caught, you don't get to keep the money.
Suicide Ganking, which breaks the law in High Sec, should come with a price and that price is not being reimbursed for an illegal activity.
You want to break the law and lose your ship, fine, if its worth it for the vendetta kill or loot drop, then by all means, but no reimbursement through insurance. If concord has to destroy your vessel, it should also void your insurance contract.
Think of it as another much needed ISK sink added to EVE.
òòòòòòò CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.13 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: LordElfa
Originally by: The Mittani I love suicide ganks.
The argument here isn't that Suicide ganks aren't fun or that they shouldn't be allowed, The issue is that if you rob a bank and get caught, you don't get to keep the money.
Suicide Ganking, which breaks the law in High Sec, should come with a price and that price is not being reimbursed for an illegal activity.
You want to break the law and lose your ship, fine, if its worth it for the vendetta kill or loot drop, then by all means, but no reimbursement through insurance. If concord has to destroy your vessel, it should also void your insurance contract.
Think of it as another much needed ISK sink added to EVE.
He isnÆt trying to express a position, Elfa. HeÆs trying to elicit emotional response. HeÆs a griefer. ThatÆs what they do. Some might think that allegation is an insult, but it isnÆt and it isnÆt intended to be. Mits enjoys causing grief, brags about causing grief and claims to be a sadist. HeÆs actually very honest in this regard.
-Windjammer
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Anna Lifera
6....
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Posted - 2011.04.13 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Anna Lifera on 13/04/2011 13:08:03
Originally by: LordElfa
The argument here isn't that Suicide ganks aren't fun or that they shouldn't be allowed, The issue is that if you rob a bank and get caught, you don't get to keep the money.
Suicide Ganking, which breaks the law in High Sec, should come with a price and that price is not being reimbursed for an illegal activity.
You want to break the law and lose your ship, fine, if its worth it for the vendetta kill or loot drop, then by all means, but no reimbursement through insurance. If concord has to destroy your vessel, it should also void your insurance contract.
Think of it as another much needed ISK sink added to EVE.
1. u just filled in your own blanks so there's your answer. and u can add sec status penalty and kill rights to that as well. 2. news flash--criminals regularly "break the law" in low sec and can use fake ids (high sec alts) and operate under the front of a legal business (high sec mining) to fund their illegal activities. on one identity, they stay relatively safe under concord and at the same time, they're deemed criminals on the other. so for even better isk sinks, what's better than restricting all -10's alts only to where they're allowed to be? or better yet, void insurance completely for everyone? --- You're an asset to the community Anna. Thank you for your clear concise remarks. - Draek |
Malcanis
Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous
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Posted - 2011.04.13 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: LordElfa
Originally by: The Mittani I love suicide ganks.
The argument here isn't that Suicide ganks aren't fun or that they shouldn't be allowed, The issue is that if you rob a bank and get caught, you don't get to keep the money.
Suicide Ganking, which breaks the law in High Sec, should come with a price and that price is not being reimbursed for an illegal activity.
You want to break the law and lose your ship, fine, if its worth it for the vendetta kill or loot drop, then by all means, but no reimbursement through insurance. If concord has to destroy your vessel, it should also void your insurance contract.
Think of it as another much needed ISK sink added to EVE.
And for the nth time, it's fine to make the "laws" in hi-sec more 'realistic', but the net effect would be (and you're well aware of this) also be to make it safer. As long as this is balanced by making the law enforcement more realistic as well, then no problemo.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
rootimus maximus
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Posted - 2011.04.13 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim ^^^ | | |
Folks, this is who you elected as CSM chairman. I hope you're happy now.
That doesn't make any sense at all. I didn't vote for him, but I still agree with his position on this. Furthermore, CCP aren't going to make a change (even one as sensible as this) just because the CSM chair tells them to.
Do you think you might be taking things a bit to personally? I think I have a spare level 80 tinfoil hat if you think it's some kind of conspiracy.
Suicide gankers should get zero insurance payout.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.13 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Anna Lifera à. so for even better isk sinks, what's better than restricting all -10's alts only to where they're allowed to be? or better yet, void insurance completely for everyone?
ThatÆs further down on the agenda. LetÆs not get ahead of ourselves.
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