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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2009.11.27 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ryhss I used to think every low sec/null sec gate had camps waiting for me, I just recently started venturing out there, so far no gate camps. I hven't gone that far yet, but I will be soon.
It really depends on how close you are to busy systems like trade hubs, or if the systems are on popular travel routes between them. You won't find many gate camps in the middle of nowhere.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.27 19:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ryhss I used to think every low sec/null sec gate had camps waiting for me, I just recently started venturing out there, so far no gate camps. I hven't gone that far yet, but I will be soon.
<Gsptlsnz> Obvious lies from a pirate alt!!! </Gsptlsnz>
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Zartanic
Red Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.27 20:31:00 -
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Times I've had my ship blown up in PVP:
Hi sec - countless
Low sec - never despite numerous jumps in and around
Nul sec - never
I'm beginning to think I smell or something, I'm very disappointed in you gate campers..Learn2Play!!!!!
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Aelysiann
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Posted - 2009.11.27 20:35:00 -
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I am fairly new, about 6 million SP on my main. I am finding low-sec to be really fun, even if it is risky. And to be honest sometimes I can rat in low-sec for hours and not be bothered. Low-sec has forced me to learn more of the game mechanics. Watch local, fit a warp stab, check out different low-sec systems as some are pretty mellow while others are camped more than half the time. It is forcing me to learn scanning a bit as well. But after losing just 2 ships I have learned a lot (vets will even stay and chat with ya after they pop you if you are nice to em, will give ya pointers), it is more exciting and the loot is certainly better off the rats. Good fun for the most part, just obey the solid adage of "don't fly what you cannot afford to lose".
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2009.11.27 20:46:00 -
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Lowsec is not actually that dangerous if you keep your wits. It's certainly safer than nullsec, where there are warp disruption bubbles to absolutely ruin your part. If im in a shuttle and feeling lucky Ill even auto through lowsec lol ---------------------- They're argry there was damage done to their ship. It's not difficult! |
Mr Ignitious
Helljumpers
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Posted - 2009.11.27 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 27/11/2009 14:57:34 Whilst it's true that most lowsec systems don't have gatecamps, it's trivially easy to find anyone running missions there. The bigger their ship, the easier thay are to find and any half-decent prober (I'm not) can find people in a couple of scans.
What's more when they are found you can almost certainly guarantee (unless the victim is bait) that they will be ill-equipped to counter you. That's half the problem in my opinion, PVE fit ships are almost always useless against anything fit for PVP, and even if you can damage your attacker enough to make them go away it's not like you can finish them off because who fits a point for PVE? At best all you've done is stopped one guy from killing you once (until he refits or calls in mates).
I guess what I'm saying is that some of the fear is justified. All it takes is losing your faction fit CNR once to wipe out months of your effort. The rewards just aren't worth the risk.
Don't use your faction fit CNR? Ravens and domi's and apocs can all run missions with T2 or best named fits.
I read the forums assuming there are no trolls, only really stupid people.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU?
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2009.11.27 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Ignitious
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 27/11/2009 14:57:34 Whilst it's true that most lowsec systems don't have gatecamps, it's trivially easy to find anyone running missions there. The bigger their ship, the easier thay are to find and any half-decent prober (I'm not) can find people in a couple of scans.
What's more when they are found you can almost certainly guarantee (unless the victim is bait) that they will be ill-equipped to counter you. That's half the problem in my opinion, PVE fit ships are almost always useless against anything fit for PVP, and even if you can damage your attacker enough to make them go away it's not like you can finish them off because who fits a point for PVE? At best all you've done is stopped one guy from killing you once (until he refits or calls in mates).
I guess what I'm saying is that some of the fear is justified. All it takes is losing your faction fit CNR once to wipe out months of your effort. The rewards just aren't worth the risk.
Don't use your faction fit CNR? Ravens and domi's and apocs can all run missions with T2 or best named fits.
I hear Tengus are the ship of choice for that, since they're easy to make very difficult to probe
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Pytria Le'Danness
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Posted - 2009.11.28 08:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Quote: Here's a challenge: explain why more players should spend time in lowSec, limiting yourself to a list of benefits to these new players.
To learn how easy it is to survive, thus killing the myth forever.
That's not enough. It's like telling people they should cross a highway on foot a few times to learn not to get run over. People will be very reluctant to cross the highway unless there is a reward on he other side, and that's what low-sec is lacking a bit.
Compared to high sec low sec has: - better ores but mining is a slow process at a warpable point and bound to attract pirates. Also I am not sure if Veldspar is still the king of oresor if that has changed again. For a while mining anything but Veldspar was pointless. - better belt rats but again you are in a belt. - better paying missions that are halfway safe but a single neutral with a probe forces you to dock up or risk having your mission busted. You have to refresh your scanner every ten seconds which is extremele tedious. In high sec you can also use a pimp ship with impunity. - better exploration, reasonably safe due to being hidden and fast to complete.
It ain't deadly, but in low sec you have to work much harder for the same ISK you can get in high sec. I think that's why so few people are there.
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Gsptlsnz
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Posted - 2009.11.28 08:47:00 -
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Edited by: Gsptlsnz on 28/11/2009 08:50:18
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Gsptlsnz Here's a challenge: explain why more players should spend time in lowSec, limiting yourself to a list of benefits to these new players.
To learn how easy it is to survive, thus killing the myth forever.
I can't say I'm surprised that you weren't able to find a single genuine benefit. Its a shame though - you might have used this to learn how to present a meaningful argument, rather than your normal "contradict everything and pretend it means somethng" style.
Originally by: Malcanis <Gsptlsnz> Obvious lies from a pirate alt!!! </Gsptlsnz>
Your stuff is usually as content-free as Tippix's, so not worth a reaction, but I suppose I should be pleased that you've created a tag specially for me /lol. Thanks!
@both: The challenge is still there: set aside this empty negativism, and present some genuine belefits for rookies to help us understand why we should spend time in lowSec.
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Raimo
Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2009.11.28 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gsptlsnz
@both: The challenge is still there: set aside this empty negativism, and present some genuine belefits for rookies to help us understand why we should spend time in lowSec. See the post immediately above for pointers on presenting a rational argument.
Like I tried to say earlier, EVE becomes a better *game* when you risk venturing into low sec for whatever reason, trust me. Join RvB!
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Vultaras
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Posted - 2009.11.28 09:52:00 -
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Hi everybody,
I am just a noob, but already noticed , that ganking in low sec is in this way:
a) Ganks attack you very rare near the gate, they just camp. b) It's enought to warp in to the Belts and the hunting starts
Not every noob is just sittinig in Hogh Sec mining veldspar . Yesterday i fitted 20 milion Prophecy with a fit for 15 milion and went to 0.4 zone. Everything was like i said, near gates silence, just move into the belts and they start hunting you. I was killed by 3 red guys 3 reds againts one noob, is it fun ? I guess Yess ! Why i went there? I wanted to test my passive tnking fitting-it was quite good, 3 guys had to shoot me for a while . I tested my own reactions of my behavior in stress situation , i tested how can i escape with pod and many other things . I've learned very good lesson. So ganking in low sec isn't that bad thing if you look for death by yourself
Dear noobs, try everything...do not afraid. Go to low secs , go to 0.0 and steal loot in belts from those old players, make yourself fun, gane experience and learn from mistakes and do not care about gangs...they are not so often.
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My RefinerAlt
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Posted - 2009.11.28 11:02:00 -
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Lol this guys are serious ? I mean WTF are they trolls, or its just me who never saw a real carebear ?
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Hacra
Minmatar Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2009.11.28 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vultaras
Hi everybody,
I am just a noob, but already noticed , that ganking in low sec is in this way:
a) Ganks attack you very rare near the gate, they just camp. b) It's enought to warp in to the Belts and the hunting starts
Not every noob is just sittinig in Hogh Sec mining veldspar . Yesterday i fitted 20 milion Prophecy with a fit for 15 milion and went to 0.4 zone. Everything was like i said, near gates silence, just move into the belts and they start hunting you. I was killed by 3 red guys 3 reds againts one noob, is it fun ? I guess Yess ! Why i went there? I wanted to test my passive tnking fitting-it was quite good, 3 guys had to shoot me for a while . I tested my own reactions of my behavior in stress situation , i tested how can i escape with pod and many other things . I've learned very good lesson. So ganking in low sec isn't that bad thing if you look for death by yourself
Dear noobs, try everything...do not afraid. Go to low secs , go to 0.0 and steal loot in belts from those old players, make yourself fun, gane experience and learn from mistakes and do not care about gangs...they are not so often.
I sense future pvp mind here :D
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I LoveCamels
Minmatar Polish Cavalry Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.11.28 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vultaras
Hi everybody,
I am just a noob, but already noticed , that ganking in low sec is in this way:
a) Ganks attack you very rare near the gate, they just camp. b) It's enought to warp in to the Belts and the hunting starts
Not every noob is just sittinig in Hogh Sec mining veldspar . Yesterday i fitted 20 milion Prophecy with a fit for 15 milion and went to 0.4 zone. Everything was like i said, near gates silence, just move into the belts and they start hunting you. I was killed by 3 red guys 3 reds againts one noob, is it fun ? I guess Yess ! Why i went there? I wanted to test my passive tnking fitting-it was quite good, 3 guys had to shoot me for a while . I tested my own reactions of my behavior in stress situation , i tested how can i escape with pod and many other things . I've learned very good lesson. So ganking in low sec isn't that bad thing if you look for death by yourself
Dear noobs, try everything...do not afraid. Go to low secs , go to 0.0 and steal loot in belts from those old players, make yourself fun, gane experience and learn from mistakes and do not care about gangs...they are not so often.
Find some friends to fly with them, its more fun, you gonna love this when you gonna start succeed.
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Vultaras
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Posted - 2009.11.28 11:54:00 -
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Thanks for reaction to my post
I steal often very valuable loot from killed by somebody Sanshas Mutant Lords in Belts, so sometimes such kind of job gives me about 6 - 10 million ISK. But i have a feeling...that loot is left specially for such a players like me How i do that: fit very cheap frigate for 250000 ISK and trust me... you do not care about losses in such a cases. I saw many youtube video , when one guy is fighting againts 5-10 gank on the gate....and he not only survives with his ship , but is able to kill half of that team. Dear old players, i am coming to you with a Curse ...soon , very soon I like mining very much.... but dear 0.0 miners, i will be pain in the ass for you.
Sorry for some offtopic
This game is great.
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.28 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Gsptlsnz I can't say I'm surprised that you weren't able to find a single genuine benefit.
I did. If you choose to ignore it, then you forfeit the right to have your viewpoint taken seriously. What I presented was the singular most beneficial thing this game has to offer. Please try to figure out why – simply thinking about it will help you a lot along the way.
Quote: The challenge is still there: set aside this empty negativism, and present some genuine belefits for rookies to help us understand why we should spend time in lowSec. See the post immediately above for pointers on presenting a rational argument.
So set aside the thing that makes it beneficial (because you refuse to think that there is one to begin with), what benefits are there? Right…
Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness That's not enough. It's like telling people they should cross a highway on foot a few times to learn not to get run over.
No, it's like saying that if you want to drive on the highway, you need to get in a car and learn to buckle up, or you'll get run over. There's no point in crossing it because you can just go around/over/under it and the grass will be just as brown on the other side — what you want to do is go alongside it to where the scenery really changes…
Quote: It ain't deadly, but in low sec you have to work much harder for the same ISK you can get in high sec. I think that's why so few people are there.
It's not so much harder as it is different. And while I agree that the profits you can get in highsec are vastly out of proportion to the work you need to put in, and that it should scale proportionally as you go farther away from civilized space, you can already get more from the same amount of work if you just attack the problem differently… mainly by embracing the second "M" in MMO…
——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
PARD0
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.28 15:25:00 -
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I'm a n00b and I'm in low sec all the time with weak ships, either missioning, looking around for manageable trouble, or just passing through. I also did some gate camping and roaming with friends. LS is not for the clueless but otherwise the fear is vastly exaggerated.
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Gsptlsnz
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Posted - 2009.11.28 17:49:00 -
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@Tippex You made me laugh this time, so you're doing something right at last ...
So, qccording to Tippia, the one nenefit to rookies of entering lowSec is "To learn how easy it is to survive, thus killing the myth forever."
In context, the "myth" can be asusmjed to be that there is no reason to waste your time in lowSec.
Humor aside - were you trying to make a point? Or do you believe that a rookie being able to enter lowSec is a benefit in itself?
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Tippia
Reikoku IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.28 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Gsptlsnz In context, the "myth" can be asusmjed to be that there is no reason to waste your time in lowSec.
No, the myth that it's dangerous and that sticking your nose in there gets you killed. Do pay attention.
Quote: Or do you believe that a rookie being able to enter lowSec is a benefit in itself?
He already is, so no. The benefit is that he learns how to play the game. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki |
Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.28 20:30:00 -
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I've never seen any point ever in going into Low sec. The rewards do not outweigh the potential risks. Fair enough jumping through low-sec in a small ship to drop off some storyline mission. Randomly looking for a fight in low-sec just doesn't appeal to me. It seems pointless. Plus i only ever fire in self defence as i have some semblance of decency.
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AngryMax
Gallente Woopatang
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Posted - 2009.11.29 09:17:00 -
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Even Rancer is dead most of the time. Dangers of low-sec are highly exaggerated.
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Anita Deathsbane
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Posted - 2009.11.29 09:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sillas Cov Okay enough!
Ive reached my limit with the hugely inflated fear that there is a full on Gank waiting on the other side of every gate in Low sec, 24/7 within Eve!!
In another thread, I just finished a tear filled post by another care bear traumatized by low sec and pvp, and Ive cracked up ppl!!!!
In factional warfare I've flown many many hundreds of jumps in 6 low sec regions and a few 0.0 regions and I want to tell you I've lost less than the 10 ships to being ganked!!
Ive lost some 50 to 75 ships in direct pvp combat in factional warfare in 15 months, but very very few ships to the horrors of Pirates and War target camps.
Carebears of Eve stop with this utter self inflicted terror you have of low sec and loosing ships in low sec. Its utterly unwarranted.
Fly Smart, what you can afford to loose and get over the idea low sec is instant death!!
I would be very interested in other low sec dwellers sense of how lethal low sec is?
onward
Sillas
I fly through lowsec all the time and have only lost 1 ship, and that was due to my own mistake. I always warp to zero. The one time I didn't, there was a group of 5 people waiting at the gate. Before I could say woops.. we were into it, I almost took one out, had him into 3/4 hull but I was just a little less tanked than I needed to be and they got me. It was a lot of fun and a good fight. I look forward to my next encounter with them or some other pirates. I agree with the OP that lowsec is not the big buggy boo everyone makes it out to be, and I am a carebear. I always fly gank fit, even when I do missions because it makes them more challenging so I am not a typical carebear I guess. But I would rather spend my time doing missions than going around fighting other players. I'll fight if cornered and damn the torpedeos. But I would rather talk with my agent and make isk from him than sling torpedoes and lazors at you.
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Sam Starfall
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Posted - 2009.11.29 11:51:00 -
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been in low/no sec and podded twice in 30min
first time my ship was blasted as i left a station - ship toasted before it could get a return lock let alone a shot off. paid ransom to avoid being podded. got podded after paying but they did thank me for the ransom.
second time got caught in a warp bubble. ship blasted in a single volley. they demanded a ransom but after the last ransom paid only to be podded i told this where he could shove his ransom demand. unsuprisingly i got podded again.
not worth the effort
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SirDynty
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2009.11.29 12:12:00 -
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hm,OP you writed it nicely,but i call bull****. You jump in pvp fited cruiser/frig/interceptor at lowsec and then bring on forums how safe it is. Please,fit some strip miners on your facy retriever and come and tell us your statistics. Tell us how much you mined,how many retrievers you lost in "many hundereds jumps". then do the same with fancy battleship,fit those nice mission-specific hardeners,rigs for 30mil/piece and go fly missions to lowsec. We can jump to lowsec in thoraxes with MWD and blasters,but this is not the case of "self inflicted terror" your numbers are wrong
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Emperors Bride
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Posted - 2009.11.29 12:22:00 -
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This would chalk up as another Low sec advertisement thread. Most times I go to low sec, no I dont lose a ship but after 20 minutes I am too busy running from the gank fleet of -10.00s to do much else.
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Aloriate
Amarr Big Buck Bunny Interstellar Solo Society Carpe-Diem
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Posted - 2009.11.29 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Emperors Bride This would chalk up as another Low sec advertisement thread. Most times I go to low sec, no I dont lose a ship but after 20 minutes I am too busy running from the gank fleet of -10.00s to do much else.
Not worth it. Simple. It's junk space.
I agree. I've ventured into lowsec and nullsec many times. I've lost ships and been podded. The only real reason to go to lowsec is to look for a fight.
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Morrabind
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Posted - 2009.11.30 01:03:00 -
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The RATs and ORE are much sweeter in LowSec/0.0. Once you have a bit of Isk in your wallet it's easier to take the risk . |
Dodgy Past
Amarr Lollipops for Rancors
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Posted - 2009.11.30 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Sillas Cov Edited by: Sillas Cov on 27/11/2009 19:14:45 You could create all the hyper lucrative isk making opportunities for low sec and still emotionally many gamers will not tolerate being rendered powerless via Pvp.
If I could reliably make more isk in low sec then I would only visit hi sec to go shopping and do decs.
I enjoy the fact that I need to work with others in order to succeed there, I don't enjoy the fact that after doing PvE for 3 - 4 hours and splitting the loot I realise I could have made more doing L4s for an hour.
I know many other players who feel exactly the same way.
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HeliosGal
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.30 02:11:00 -
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Low sec pvp is fun join one of those corps=alliances that mixes up pvp and pve in low sec and youre good Signature - CCP what this game needs is more variance in PVE aspects and a little bit less PVP focus, more content more varied level 1-4 missions more than just 10 per faction high sec low sec and 00 |
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