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Turelus
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.11.23 17:22:00 -
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Posting here as I had no idea where else this would make sense.
Well I have recently stepped up and taken a much more active approach to recruitment within the 22nd as part of this I ask for limited API keys and do the whole lazy spy check.
I was just wondering what programs/sites some of the more experienced corps and alliances use to do this? currently I am using EVEMON and leaving the people on it for a few weeks to check they are still training skills, how ever this is starting to become a pain as I'm getting skill finished messages all the time.
I had heard there was a website that you could use to check the information but was not able to find any more info on a google search.
Thanks for any help in advance. 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit |
Forranz
Malice. Tentative Nature
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Posted - 2009.11.23 17:49:00 -
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Insert their info into say.. http://eve-sheet.com/ and do it web based. there's a handful of sites like this. eve sheet, eve board, etc..
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Kha'Vorn
Gallente Maori tribe
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Posted - 2009.11.23 19:37:00 -
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Great one, give their API details to Eve-Sheet and open th character for the world to see. Violating all trust the recruit gave to you with their API key.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente The Rise of The Dragon Knights Void Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.23 20:22:00 -
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You only get those messages if EVEMon is actually running. I really fail to see the problem. Sol: A microwarp drive? In a battleship? Are you insane? They arenĘt built for this! Clear Skies - The Movie ROTDK is recruiting
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jjit
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Posted - 2009.11.23 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kha'Vorn Great one, give their API details to Eve-Sheet and open th character for the world to see. Violating all trust the recruit gave to you with their API key.
For these sorts of reasons, I just assumed that most people reset their key after giving it out or trying a new online service. Is your policy that members need to regive you their key every time it changes?
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.24 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 24/11/2009 00:23:21 Edited by: Baka Lakadaka on 24/11/2009 00:20:16
Originally by: jjit
Originally by: Kha'Vorn Great one, give their API details to Eve-Sheet and open th character for the world to see. Violating all trust the recruit gave to you with their API key.
For these sorts of reasons, I just assumed that most people reset their key after giving it out or trying a new online service. Is your policy that members need to regive you their key every time it changes?
Resetting the API key will stop further updates to Eve-sheet, but the snapshot of information will be there forever. I agree that giving someone else's API key to a website is major breach of trust.
The API check is next to useless anyway. Any spy with any level of common sense will ensure that their spy character is on a clean account, while their mains are safely shielded from any API check in another account.
Edit: Just throw their details into EveMon, EveHQ, EFT, anything really. With a limited API all you can really do is check their character names and skills. A full API would be required to check against transactions, ISK transfers and the like. ______________________ Agony Unleashed is proud to support TeaDaze for CSM |
Turelus
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.11.24 22:33:00 -
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Yeah I don't like the idea showing their character info to the world so I wont be using eve sheet.
EVEMON seems to be working for the most part I can do a quick account check and see if they are training skills, I know I wont catch any good spies this way but it is a good way to find any lazy spies.
I have heard that a good way to do a real check is to ask for the full api and then check transactions to see if they have any regular transactions to a hostile corp/alliance but not sure how well that works and if we need that hardcore security yet.
Well thank you to all those who answered, I'll back to recruiting newbies and watching them train skills now. :) 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit |
Dirty Wizard
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Posted - 2009.11.25 02:39:00 -
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Any spy worth his salt uses an alt account. It's incredibly stupid for someone to create a spy character on the same account as his main. _____ Don't buy money from 3rd party isk spammers/sellers. Purchase PLEX cards the legal way. |
Eizana
Amarr Scyanis
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Posted - 2009.11.25 06:59:00 -
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I freely give out my limited API. But I hold many accounts none of which you'd be able to check. Face it -without full API and screenshot of contract history you would not be able to weed out spies ;)
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2009.11.25 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Toshiro GreyHawk on 25/11/2009 13:11:58 On the subject of doing an API check.
This is a basic check. It is the fundamental thing you do - not something that is going to catch a good spy - but something that will weed out the stupid ones.
It's kind of like ... if you don't AT LEAST do an API check - then you DESERVE to be spied on.
Other things you can do are more social things like - does this guy seem to knowledgeable for for someone with his playing time? Is he to eager to get access to things that you may not want just anyone to have access to?
Of course there's also the old mole ferreting trick. Of course this only works in a certain situation - but if you are in that situation - it might catch someone you are suspicious of. Say you have a long term enemy like some of the Alliances down in Nul Sec and the same way they have spies in your Alliance you have spies in theirs. If you are suspicious of someone - get friendly with them and let some little thing slip - that they are the only one who is going to know about it. No one else in your corporation knows. Then see if the other Alliance finds out about it. Of course there are a lot of problems with that as your spy may not be privy to all that their spy finds out. Also you have to have something good but not to good. It has to be real but not something that is going to hurt you to badly for them to find out. Of course - the other thing you can do if you find a spy - is to feed them bad info or info that will lead their side into a trap.
The short version of all that is that it helps if you are a good judge of people. Some people are better at that than others - and those are the people you want doing your counter intelligence. Of course ... God Help You if THEY are the spy ...
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Joe Starbreaker
The Fighting Republicans
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Posted - 2009.11.25 17:53:00 -
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Honestly, as hard as it is to recruit, asking people for their API key is counter-productive. You'll drive away good people who are irritated by it, and you still won't weed out the competent spies.
A better approach, I think, is to design your organization such that a spy can't do too much harm. How to do that is the challenge.
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Turelus
Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit
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Posted - 2009.11.26 21:48:00 -
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I have never had any one upset or offended by the idea of giving out their limited api, so many corps do it it's pretty much the norm these days.
Again I don't expect to find any super spies and honestly the 22nd's security is terrible in the way of spied but as Ax (CEO) always says for every spy you let in you probably just recruited nine honest players.
Thanks again for your help guys it was good to get some feedback about what programs work and even some advice on finding spies in general. 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit |
Anewb N'eve
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Posted - 2009.11.26 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Eizana I freely give out my limited API. But I hold many accounts none of which you'd be able to check. Face it -without full API and screenshot of contract history you would not be able to weed out spies ;)
Full API and all the screen shots you want still only catch the idiots not real pros.
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Sigerus Naghel
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Posted - 2009.11.26 22:11:00 -
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Interesting subject.
Being a returning old time player who does not have a lot of experience in the game, I personally would be hesitant to hand out an API key, even a limited one.
Remember the three rules of EvE?
1) Only fly what you can afford to lose. 2) Don't trust anyone. 3) Don't even trust those you think can be trusted.
So just as much as a corp would do this to check me, I would be doubtful if they would use this type of info in a delicate matter. What's to say that the corp might use that info with bad intentions? Just as much as you fear a spy, I might fear dishonesty of corp leaders.
I'd just use comon sense and take precaustions so that people cannot harm things. Makes way more sense to me. Cause I doubt that a dedicated spy would allow you to find out he is one until it is too late.
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Avo Daith
Mentors Administration
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Posted - 2009.11.26 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sigerus Naghel [ Being a returning old time player who does not have a lot of experience in the game, I personally would be hesitant to hand out an API key, even a limited one.
Remember the three rules of EvE?
1) Only fly what you can afford to lose. 2) Don't trust anyone. 3) Don't even trust those you think can be trusted.
So just as much as a corp would do this to check me, I would be doubtful if they would use this type of info in a delicate matter. What's to say that the corp might use that info with bad intentions? Just as much as you fear a spy, I might fear dishonesty of corp leaders.
I'd just use comon sense and take precautions so that people cannot harm things. Makes way more sense to me. Cause I doubt that a dedicated spy would allow you to find out he is one until it is too late.
What information exactly do you think a spy might be able to use? They would be able to see what skills you had, if you had any alts, and the amount of your wallet. That's about it. Long term you can request a new limited api so they only have access to that info for a limited time. If it's the spy thing that concerns you you can always use eve-sheet and just let them see your toon instead, the results of the api rather than the api itself.
If you are in a PVP corp where security is that tight that even this small access you think puts you at risk then this group of people probably doesn't constitute a good corp anyway.
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