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Brox Druga
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Posted - 2009.11.23 15:31:00 -
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So I am less than a week away from Mining Barge V and being able to fly a Covetor. After looking at my training plan in EveMon I noticed that with the addition of a few extra days I'll be able to fly a Hulk. So I figured after nearly a month of waiting to fly a Covetor, a few extra days waiting for a vastly superior ship is nothing.
So then, the obvious question I'm getting to is: if I could get the money in time (still short, it would require a lot of mining to get the cash in time) would it be worth it to wait the few extra days and get the Hulk, or should I not break my back and get the Covetor and save up at a more reasonable pace for the Hulk?
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Breaker77
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.11.23 15:47:00 -
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A covetor only has 50% more mining ability than a retreiver and the cargo hold sucks just as bad. Stay in a retreiver until you can afford a hulk. Then train mining upgrades 4 for T2 MLUs and [ore] processing to 4 for T2 crystals ASAP!!
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Gieron
Middleton and Mercer LLP
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Posted - 2009.11.23 15:49:00 -
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Go for the Hulk. It is better in every way and something you will want to get sooner or later anyway.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2009.11.23 15:58:00 -
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I am in a similar positon and I was going to go straight for the Hulk.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2009.11.23 16:10:00 -
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I can really only think of two circumstances where you'd want to use a Covetor over a Hulk (well, 3 really).
1) There are no Hulks available anywhere you can reach, and you have to use what you can get. 2) You're expecting to lose it to a hostile force, and don't want to throw away a 100 million ISK ship. 3) For whatever reason, you're not going to be training Exhumers for a bit.
In any of those I can use using a Covetor. Otherwise, just wait a day. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Zlocesta Dama
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Posted - 2009.11.24 04:56:00 -
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There's one other reason to use a Covetor - they are in general better for level 1-3 mining missions because they are faster than a Hulk.
Otherwise, agree with all the above. Get the Hulk and enjoy :)
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Phenglei Kai
Caldari A..M..W
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Posted - 2009.11.24 21:11:00 -
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I recommend at least training for Hulk and buying one when you have the money.
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Blackthorney
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Posted - 2009.11.24 23:02:00 -
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I had fully intended to stay in a Covetor for a while until I definitely had enough money to buy the hulk and exhumer book and to have some cushion. The drop in prices found me with "an offer I couldn't refuse". I jumped, and zomg...the extra space, an actual tank, and the small but significant yield bounce.
At least I can still hold-onto/sell/hand-me-down the Covy at a later date.
Go for the Hulk...It's the Caddy to the Covy's Lincoln.
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Stupid McStupidson
Gallente Hoek Lyne and Sinker
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Posted - 2009.11.24 23:27:00 -
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I really don't see much point in hanging out with a Covetor vs. Hulk really. Although Hulks are still 'expensive' relative to a Covy, you'd be better off saving the 15m or so the covy costs and apply that to the Hulk and/or the Hulk's kit. And in a true, get off my lawn moment....it's always been an easy decision, the other way around that is. It weren't too long ago, my kiddies, that a fully equipped Hulk easily cost 700m ISK
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Marcus Gideon
Gallente Federal Defense Operations
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Posted - 2009.11.24 23:51:00 -
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"Standard" progression = Frigate -> Retriever -> Hulk
"Eye-sore" progression = Frigate -> Cruiser -> Indy ...
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2009.11.25 09:13:00 -
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Go for the Covetor then use it to get the Hulk. There is really no point in arguing what the better ship is. However, if you lose your Hulk and do not have the ISK at hand to replace it immediately then a spare Covetor comes in handy. Also, if you enjoy to collect ships then you want the Covetor, too. An alternative is to borrow a Covetor from a corp mate and use it to get the ISKs for your Hulk. --
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Firvain
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.11.25 10:25:00 -
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if you have the isk to get an hulk get the hulk and dont bother with the covetor. If you dont have a spare 100 mil laying around then get the covetor and use that. It mines faster then a retriever so you will earn it back fast and then make more money then you did wit a retriever.
Once you have the isk for the hulk be sure to upgrade asap :)
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Agent Known
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Posted - 2009.11.25 20:03:00 -
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A covetor can also be insured...unlike a Hulk...(or can it?) On another note, I also have an annoying sig.
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Vindix
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Posted - 2009.11.25 20:40:00 -
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Never fly a ship that you can't afford to lose. Owning a Covetor allows you to recover from losing the Hulk. Get the Covetor and mine with it until you have a Hulk. Use the Hulk until it blows up, then use the Covetor for a while. Sell the Retriever and remember it fondly.
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Dennmoth Ferdier
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Posted - 2009.11.25 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 25/11/2009 22:18:14
Originally by: Brox Druga So I am less than a week away from Mining Barge V and being able to fly a Covetor. After looking at my training plan in EveMon I noticed that with the addition of a few extra days I'll be able to fly a Hulk. So I figured after nearly a month of waiting to fly a Covetor, a few extra days waiting for a vastly superior ship is nothing.
So then, the obvious question I'm getting to is: if I could get the money in time (still short, it would require a lot of mining to get the cash in time) would it be worth it to wait the few extra days and get the Hulk, or should I not break my back and get the Covetor and save up at a more reasonable pace for the Hulk?
Uhm this thread lacks common sense. Or market sense.
At the point where you can fly the covetor, but you cannot afford the hulk yet, there is no possible reason not to buy a covetor and use that to mine the rest of the money.
There is NO sense in keeping to your retriever to mine for the hulk. You will only slow yourself down considerably.
For some very strange reason these people think, that buying the covetor will set you back 20 million or what ever the ship costs now, and the value of the fittings.
I'm here to tell you that you that the ship attains it's value, and you can even sell it for profit. So if we assume you have 20 million to buy the covetor at the end of your training, use it to buy the covetor and mine the remaining 80 million with that and sell the covetor.
Or if you're a monkey, use the retriever to do it and spend twice as long mining it in a retriever.
EDIT: I tried rereading the question. So if this is closer to what you asked, it all depends on how much you enjoy mining.
If you like it enough, and attaining the 100 million to buy the hulk is no problem to you in a retriever before your skill training is complete, then the few extra days from a covetor to hulk are meaningless, unless you plan on mining them 24/7, wich would result in double turnover in a covetor instead of the retriever.
If you're a casual miner, and terms of days don't mean much to you, then relax, buy the covetor and take your time to get the remaining 80 mil. ------ Dare to challenge me? |
Mrs Thaiberian
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Posted - 2009.11.25 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Mrs Thaiberian on 25/11/2009 22:18:21
Originally by: Vindix Never fly a ship that you can't afford to lose. Owning a Covetor allows you to recover from losing the Hulk. Get the Covetor and mine with it until you have a Hulk. Use the Hulk until it blows up, then use the Covetor for a while. Sell the Retriever and remember it fondly.
I'll be soon in such hesitation and I think I'll follow this advise.
I think that, unless you have a fat wallet (which is not my case) is not a waste of time/isk to get a covetor (specially if you barely have the isk to buy a hulk)
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Gloria Culero
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Posted - 2009.11.26 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Known A covetor can also be insured...unlike a Hulk...(or can it?)
I think I tried to insure a hulk once and I could only insure to around 18 mil... So there was no point. |
Zifrian
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Posted - 2009.11.26 03:47:00 -
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T2 Ships only get the T1 hull insurance. This is true of all T2, the Hulk is no different.
Get a hulk. You'll be happier. If you don't have skills to max out T2 strips and such, then you'll still be happier in a hulk while you train them up.
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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2009.11.26 10:22:00 -
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Covetor's training requirements are somewhat out of date, IMO. Astro V and MB V made sense when it was the 'biggest barge' - but with Hulks running the show now, the Covetor is very rarely used.
Only people flying them today: A) Miners too poor to afford a Hulk - though this doesn't last long, now that Hulks are < 100M. B) Hulk pilots who want to mine in a hazardous environment and can't afford to risk a Hulk.
Over on this thread, I'm trying to get CCP to reduce the training requirements for the Cov, either Mining Barge or AstroGeology from V to IV. This would reduce the training time by a few weeks and would give the Covetor a chance to shine before miners move on to the Hulk.
Seriously: Covetor: 6 weeks training. Hulk: 6 weeks training + 1 day.
Does that seem right to you?
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Leocadminone
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Posted - 2009.11.26 23:54:00 -
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Basically, if you can run a Coveter you're so close to a hulk it's funny - less than 2 days if you have NO implants and semi-optimised attributes, you will have ALL the skills you need except Exhumers I-III to fly that Hulk (check your EveMon for your exact numbers). IMO not worth the waste of time tracking down a coveter to rig out - you'll make more sticking with mining on your Retriever 'till you CAN use a Hulk. 50/50 on if you'll lose ISK trying to resell your Coveter too.
Retriever should be able to pull in close to 2 million ISK an hour even at current ore pricing - well over 2 if you can get away with jetcan mining and have an industrial to haul the loads once you fill a can.
It's also worth flying the Hulk even if you can't use T2 Strips yet - they only add about 15% over T1s (factoring in transit time, it's really not worth jetcanning in a Hulk unless you're part of a fleet).
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Aurorae Andromedae
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Posted - 2009.11.27 15:57:00 -
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Hulk costs 100 M ISK, after you have trained Covetor, you will spend training Exhumers skill to lvl 3. There is no point to be stuck with Covetor at all.
Mine with retriever untill you get that money, the main thing making mining profitable is that you are mining all the time you can and always with highest possible effiency.
After you get in Hulk, even with casual mining you earn that Hulk cost back in less than week.
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Emma Royd
Caldari Maddled Gommerils
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Posted - 2009.11.28 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zlocesta Dama There's one other reason to use a Covetor - they are in general better for level 1-3 mining missions because they are faster than a Hulk.
Otherwise, agree with all the above. Get the Hulk and enjoy :)
Are they? I've got both on EFT and they show exactly the same speed, align time, warp speed, hulk with 3x T1 cargo rigs and 2x T2 expanders can carry 17199m3 covetor with 3x T1 cargo rigs, 2x T2 expanders 9889m3 so you'll still be needing to warp to station more if you don't jetcan mine.
As for yield, I work out the covvies max with T2 crystals, t2 drones, 1 MLU II 1x T2 Mining drone rig, 1x T1 Mining drone rig to be 1625m3 per minute The hulk with 2x MLUII, 2x T1 Mining drone rigs I get to be 1920m3 per minute, and since the T2 rig is about 150mil the difference would pay for the hulk.
Skip the covetor if you want to be a proper miner, take your time and aim for the hulk. Even with Exhumers 4 (should only be around 5 days after mining barge 5 depending on attributes) the hulk is still around 255m3 per minute faster.
All these figures depend on a lot of optimal skills up to 5, but I'm sure if you work it out with eve fitting tool, the 80ish million isk difference between covetor and hulk will soon be paid off.
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Shimasu
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Posted - 2009.11.28 17:45:00 -
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hulk is the better choice. - FOR SALE: HI-SEC RESEARCH POS |
Skullzilla
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Posted - 2009.11.29 03:55:00 -
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Originally by: Vindix Never fly a ship that you can't afford to lose. Owning a Covetor allows you to recover from losing the Hulk. Get the Covetor and mine with it until you have a Hulk. Use the Hulk until it blows up, then use the Covetor for a while. Sell the Retriever and remember it fondly.
this, really. Or you can sell the coveter without much loss, and in actual terms, since the covetor mines faster than the retriever, you're up on the deal. even if you have the 100mil in the bank, if you're going to be mining while you wait that day, you'll come out way ahead with the covetor. plus i think the tank (tho it's nothing like the hulk's) is a bit better.
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Mugster
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Posted - 2009.11.29 15:59:00 -
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Most covetors cost about 16 mil, If I recall insurance is about 7 mil with a payout of about 20 mil. So id buy the covetor now, depending on how much money you have. Never nice to not have liquid isk. You can always sell or selfdestruct the covetor once you want to get the hulk upgrade.
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Ancallan
Petals of Derketo
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Posted - 2009.11.30 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77 A covetor only has 50% more mining ability than a retreiver
I like the use of the word "only" here. __________
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