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Iman Atheist
Gangrel Mining and Security Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:29:00 -
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It's ultra-lame that there are so many Caldari chars in the game and so little, say, Amarr.
We all know this population imbalance stems from Caldari being overpowered in char creation (lowest charisma and all) until recently, Amarr being underpowered at some stage in the game's development, etc....
It's enough to say that THIS WAS NOT INTENDED. We all know that. This imbalance is killing the variety and unpredictability that are a trademark of EVE.
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I suggest character bonuses for non-Caldari newbies, to promote creation of characters of all races in equal numbers.
I think the game should auto-assign a skill learning speed bonus (similar to the one newbies already have, only bigger) to the race which currently has the lowest number of active capsuleers.
I won't go into the details of determining the definition of "active" and the nature/duration of the bonus. I am confident that the devs could easily set that up and don't need me to guess how it would work.
Instead, what do you think, in general, about the idea of racially balancing the character population by somehow motivating players during character creation?
In other words: Temporary imbalance in the right direction will create balance.
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IronToken
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Posted - 2009.11.20 22:53:00 -
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How is it effecting Variety and Unpredictability? Now that race no longer has any effect (other than racial frigate lvl 2) it makes no difference what race you are.
One way to change it would be for CCP to allow us to now change our race and picture since it makes no difference skill wise, but then they would lose out on whatever money they are making on characters changing their picture. I know this post may not count for much coming from a Caldari Archura but I am sure that you understand the idea.
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Iman Atheist
Gangrel Mining and Security Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:07:00 -
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I am perfectly aware that people can cross-train... eventually.
The problem is that not all people do that, certainly not the majority, and even if they did, they would still have behind them months upon months of being purely Caldari...
...flying Caldari ships, using Caldari weapons and ECM, fighting by Caldari tactics, USING CALDARI TRADE HUBS, INHABITING CALDARI REGIONS, getting used to it...
See where I'm going with this?
Think about regional population density. Think about trade hub traffic. Think about ship/module types market demand. Think about the hopelessness of Gallente faction warfare.
I want to train for random solo PvP? What should I prepare for? Hmm let's google the most popular Caldari fits.
I want to specialize in industry? Getting BPs and skills to make Caldari stuff can't be a mistake.
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Mallariah
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Posted - 2009.11.20 23:39:00 -
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This character is amarr yet I have caldari frigate 5 and caldari industrial 5 crosstraining can happen instantly after creation as this character chose to do, Race is of no consequence.
The FW remark is invalid any race can sign up for any races FW as long as you have the standing, I can roll caldari right now and instantly go out and mission in minmatar space and do a few lvl 1 missions and sign up.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.21 00:01:00 -
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I agree, I would also like to see some racial balance, although that choice has no real impact on gameplay whatsoever. But I think you can already see it changing. It just takes time.
Regarding "Temporary imbalance in the right direction will create balance" - well, perhaps the devs had exactly that in mind when they made Amarr fotm
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Duchess Starbuckington
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Posted - 2009.11.21 00:08:00 -
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Amarr have that bonus. It's called having the best turrets in the game. Your idea is trying to place artificial constraints on the players choice of race, and that makes you an idiot with no understanding of EVE whatsoever. GB2WoW please.
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Ryan Powers
Caldari Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.21 00:13:00 -
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This is a problem how? Free Abathur! |
Rhen Ayase
Imperial Crusade Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.11.21 00:40:00 -
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i would go caldari because they look better than the other races in the game... i am just jin mei because the guy lead me into eve said i must play gallente because their drones are superior (and i have trained millions of sp but only 300k in drones in the 3 years i play now) and jin mei had low charisma too (even i put some points in there and started to train leadership ^^)
so, i would say a choose new race/bloodline would be suifficent, lots of caldari will go maybe some other races, but also some would go caldari :p -------------------------------------- Slave and Property of Kathryn Dougans. |
Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.11.21 03:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 21/11/2009 03:23:56
Well yes, apart from all the stats, which can safely be ignored now, Amarr look old and wrinkled, Minmatar look freakish and Gallente look like they're gay or do drugs.
In the past people have chosen Caldari either due to looks, missiles (= PvE easy mode) or attributes. Maybe even background story. Now it's still looks and the Drake-factor.
I always wondered why they never tried to make Amarr sound cool with lots of wealth and power and (female) slaves, and why you can't create a Gallente character that looks as cool and sick like the guy on the Gallente picture, or as pretty yet stylish as the Gallente female on the Gallente picture. I mean this picture: Linkage. The same applies to the Minmatar.
Just making them look cool in their own way would do a lot for 'racial balance'.
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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Doomheim. Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2009.11.21 05:52:00 -
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Its hard to balance something thats based on preference, but I think the reason caldari are popular is because of drakes being easy to pve in (farmers). Archura had high intel and perception which are the two most important stats (mabey its changed or the same). Still somewhere else someone pointed out, Archura males are realy ugly so I don't know if its the actual apearence that people are selecting for, people might chose for many dif reasons. Though right that some races are much uglyer then the others, ammar guys are all realy old and ugly (can't be a Khanid male who is not balding), it seems weird that you can olny be one age group for each race (gallente never look over 40). But that old and uglyness kind of has a distinct feature, consider the leader of BOB (IT) http://propaganda.eve-razor.com/propaganda6.jpg The CEO of the goons that overtrew him, is ammar.
The imbalance is of carebeaer noobs or farmers that are purely caldari, going out into the wild west you see a lot more diversity because experience people chose different races for particular bonuses (or ships) that are good in pvp. Having a passively sheild tanked drake is a great for missions bc you passive recharge sheilds with no effort, and missles require no optimal range (so no planning, how do I get my ship in sniping range, and fit the right ammo, aka noob boat).
Domino is best batteship around for its cost, and the olny drone batteship, which makes it great for pvp it can fit remote armor reps or nuts (which a farmer or carebear would never understand a the usefullness of) and still do good DPS on drones that are good for pesky people who target jam you or are in small ships. In that respect are gallente over powered?
Every race is over powered in some way (well except mimmitar, they nurfed) it just happens that noob boats that require the fewest mental imput to pve are caldari so the race gets a boast in number of people for them in empire. If you could passive armor tank (have it regenerate with no repairers) then gallente would have the ultimate noob boats because they have drones which require even less effort to use, they don't even need to lock on to stuff (optimal range or size barely matters, heavy drones can take out anything).
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Iman Atheist
Gangrel Mining and Security Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2009.11.21 11:50:00 -
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Yeah, I guess you guys are right. Fudge the noobs and CBs in empire.
Still, 2 problems remain: The one of avatar ugliness and lack of options. The one of regional population distribution. (Even non-CBs conduct lots of business in empire, so why not encourage other hubs apart from Jita? Amarr needs some love.)
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Grarr Wrexx
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Posted - 2009.11.23 01:26:00 -
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CCP didn't intentionally make Jita a hub. The players did because it is so centrally located and has easy routes to all the other hubs.
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Misanthra
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Posted - 2009.11.23 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Misanthra on 23/11/2009 01:54:17 Edited by: Misanthra on 23/11/2009 01:50:40 Leave empire....will see caldari drop off quick lol. Caldari are kings of pve...you want to farm, they are the best choice. Drake with the passive tank done right to afk level 4's or raven's to wipe them fast. Lower levels...missiles hit the same at 10 meters as 60 meters...no picking say blasters over rail. Low/null sec and pvp...yeah, caldari and pvp not a good mix
Other races already get bonuses. They bury caldari in pvp where our slow rate of fire, slower targetting systems and damage is not instananeous is a pita. Do one pvp op where primaries are dropping faster than you can lock or your missiles are going for targets not there anymore. Gallente hydrids better than caldari so running their rail boats not a real good choice either.
edit: main is caldari...getting cross trained real soon though for better pvp.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2009.11.23 18:09:00 -
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Caldari Man Caldari Bear Caldari Pig
Run for cover people!
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