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Inspector Gadget
Lucky Dragon Laundry Service
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Posted - 2009.11.15 23:51:00 -
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Asgard mothership vs Nyx ?
Imperial Star Destroyer vs Erebus?
Cylon Base ships vs EVE carrier fleet?
But pretty certain any Starfleet ship would wipte the floor with any EVE ship discounting Jovian ships which are a a force unknown. Especially something like the Defiant or any Galaxy class ship. They are several hundred times faster for a start...
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.15 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Rhanna Khurin and all this talk about EVE ships ganking star trek ones is nonsense. Have you any idea how many ships the Dominion forces have? Thousands and they're all each worth a hundred EVE ships at least.
*Teleports in Concord fleet*
You can't technobabble a solution when three words into the lengthy explanation that needs at least one commercial break to impliment your entire star trek fleet is instajammed/scrammed/webbed and then one shotted.
Fini.
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Konoch
Caldari Azriel's Legion
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Posted - 2009.11.16 00:24:00 -
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To the original post.
Starfleet ships of the 90's (anything pre DS9) lose to EVE ships.
However.... BIG however Anything post dominion war and especially the sovereigns and Defiant class ships can hold their own against anything sub capital class. Also your current torpedos are NOT photon/antimatter based. They are Quantum now. Plasma based weaponry with a lot more kick than your standard torp.
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.16 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Rhanna Khurin and all this talk about EVE ships ganking star trek ones is nonsense. Have you any idea how many ships the Dominion forces have? Thousands and they're all each worth a hundred EVE ships at least.
*Teleports in Concord fleet*
You can't technobabble a solution when three words into the lengthy explanation that needs at least one commercial break to impliment your entire star trek fleet is instajammed/scrammed/webbed and then one shotted.
Fini.
But EVE ships will never ever even get a lock or be able to maneuver against Star Trek ships and perhaps only concord or Jovian ships would even remotely stand a chance. Remember Phased plasma torpedo phase in and out of realspace/subspace and detonate inside other ships and a transphasic torpedo would just obliterate anything in a single shot and can be fired from a few systems away
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quickshot89
Caldari b.b.k Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2009.11.16 00:42:00 -
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caldari, becuase of falcon
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Amitious Turkey
Gallente TarNec New Eden Retail Federation
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Posted - 2009.11.16 00:45:00 -
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Muad'Dib.
BECAUSE OF FALCONDUST!
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Zeba
Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2009.11.16 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rhanna Khurin
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Rhanna Khurin and all this talk about EVE ships ganking star trek ones is nonsense. Have you any idea how many ships the Dominion forces have? Thousands and they're all each worth a hundred EVE ships at least.
*Teleports in Concord fleet*
You can't technobabble a solution when three words into the lengthy explanation that needs at least one commercial break to impliment your entire star trek fleet is instajammed/scrammed/webbed and then one shotted.
Fini.
But EVE ships will never ever even get a lock or be able to maneuver against Star Trek ships and perhaps only concord or Jovian ships would even remotely stand a chance. Remember Phased plasma torpedo phase in and out of realspace/subspace and detonate inside other ships and a transphasic torpedo would just obliterate anything in a single shot and can be fired from a few systems away
Let me repeate the key word in that explanation.
Teleports.
As in no matter where the trek ship is it will have a concord ship appear next to it instantly wtfpwning it back to the alpha quadrant.
Nothing beats concord. Nothing.
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.16 01:56:00 -
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Edited by: Rhanna Khurin on 16/11/2009 01:58:33
Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 16/11/2009 00:58:13
Originally by: Rhanna Khurin
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Rhanna Khurin and all this talk about EVE ships ganking star trek ones is nonsense. Have you any idea how many ships the Dominion forces have? Thousands and they're all each worth a hundred EVE ships at least.
*Teleports in Concord fleet*
You can't technobabble a solution when three words into the lengthy explanation that needs at least one commercial break to impliment your entire star trek fleet is instajammed/scrammed/webbed and then one shotted.
Fini.
But EVE ships will never ever even get a lock or be able to maneuver against Star Trek ships and perhaps only concord or Jovian ships would even remotely stand a chance. Remember Phased plasma torpedo phase in and out of realspace/subspace and detonate inside other ships and a transphasic torpedo would just obliterate anything in a single shot and can be fired from a few systems away
Let me repeate the key word in that explanation.
Teleports.
As in no matter where the trek ship is it will have a concord ship appear next to it instantly wtfpwning it back to the alpha quadrant. And if somehow it miraculously escapes concords wrath it will get banned.
Nothing beats concord. Nothing.
Except the Thukker tribe/Minmatar lol. They kicked the poo out of them. Anyway i could pull the Q continuum card and make all eve ships have suddenly ceased to exist.
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Another Forum'Alt
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.11.16 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: Another Forum''Alt on 16/11/2009 02:06:16
Originally by: Admrl Cain Federation starship from Star Trek with phasers and torpedoes or Caldari with Railguns and Missiles?
Star Trek ships are passively shield tanked with very high resistances hosting weapons similar to those of the Amarr but more powerful, with faster rates of fire and they have photon torpedoes which according the tech manuals use antimatter as it's explosive (Not exactly legit seeing as how Antimatter doesnt explode with force, just evaporates the matter it contacts, releasing most of it's energy in the form of Gamma radiation.) Note Trek ships have paper thin armor.
Caldari are Passively or actively shield tanked)
I'm going to have to say Trek ships would win most battles. Except maybe those against Amarr ships.
I agree with OP , except for the last line. Star Trek shields are more vulnerable to kinetic/explosive* than EM, while torpedoes can make a huge mess of armour/hull without much problem. As for weapons, phasers would be EM/therm, while photon/quantum torpedoes are exp. If you want other weapons, disruptors and phaser cannons would be EM/therm with some kin.
*yes, I know there is no such thing as real direct explosive damage, it's just a combination of EM, thermal and kinetic.
As for CONCORD, their ships *ARE* actually killable. As it is, if you are having a full EVE/Star Trek war, the Borg and Species 8472 would be more than enough to defeat CONCORD. BECAUSE OF FALCON. Guide to forum posting |
Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.16 02:26:00 -
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But.. As the to original question and not using half of the star trek ships abilities and not using special weaponry. A galaxy class federation ship versus a raven/scorpion would be fairly even. Although only in a straight up fight. But as soon as the federation captain gets bored with it, he could easily enable his plot device and kill anything
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Iture
Caldari Arcana Imperii Ltd. Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.11.16 03:09:00 -
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Fleet of 8 titans, aligned for gang warp.
warp right ontop of enterprise. and, remember, in the startrek universe colliding results in crunch.
And if i remember my physics correctly, 15km long titan vs. 1km long enterprise.
The result would be somewhat like a Cessna impacting an aircraft carrier.
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2009.11.16 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ehranavaar
Originally by: Admrl Cain
they have photon torpedoes which according the tech manuals use antimatter as it's explosive (Not exactly legit seeing as how Antimatter doesnt explode with force, just evaporates the matter it contacts, releasing most of it's energy in the form of Gamma radiation.)
evapourates??? matter antimatter interactions are extremely violent. each gram of antimatter releases megatonnes worth of bang. they are supposed to put kilos of antimatter into photon warheads so you do the math.
Eve ships shrug off anti-matter. We already have anti-matter hybrid rounds in Eve. Despite the fact that matter/anti-matter is the most efficient explosion possible, and the fact that anti-matter rounds can be mass produced, there are *other* types of hybrid rounds in common use. Anti-matter isn't uber in the Eve universe, which means that Star Trek anti-matter weapons might not work very well against Eve ships.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.11.16 04:12:00 -
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somone already did the math on how much energy a projectile weapon in eve has when it strikes something and concluded we're slamming each other with matter turned pure energy by the time it hits and the fact we have armor to withstand that puts in cosideration we have to have armor more exotic than collasped matter plating. Where as Star Trek ignores the rules of military escalation and sticks with titianium armor plating and hope thier shields do counter everything.
My best question is does it really require a teleporter to get a lock on something in order to teleport it? I mean if I was against the enterprise and had to use thier own plot devices against them I would kill all the safety protocols on the teleporter and start randomly buffering chunks out of the opposing area the star ship is occupying and to make things even more fun, redump the buffer excess back into the area at random as well. Im sure that can cause massive untolds amounts of damage quickly and they wont be able to stop it. Pre-order your Sisters of ≡v≡ Exploration ship today, Updated 11OCT09
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.16 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox somone already did the math on how much energy a projectile weapon in eve has when it strikes something and concluded we're slamming each other with matter turned pure energy by the time it hits and the fact we have armor to withstand that puts in cosideration we have to have armor more exotic than collasped matter plating. Where as Star Trek ignores the rules of military escalation and sticks with titianium armor plating and hope thier shields do counter everything.
My best question is does it really require a teleporter to get a lock on something in order to teleport it? I mean if I was against the enterprise and had to use thier own plot devices against them I would kill all the safety protocols on the teleporter and start randomly buffering chunks out of the opposing area the star ship is occupying and to make things even more fun, redump the buffer excess back into the area at random as well. Im sure that can cause massive untolds amounts of damage quickly and they wont be able to stop it.
Anti-matter weapons are old hat in star trek. Most forces have adequate defenses against them for them to cause little to no damage (using shields) I'm not quite sure about what you're trying to say with the teleporters, do you mean you want to somehow beam parts of an enemy ship off using the enemies ships own teleporters? GAH! I think you're over-reaching a little there.
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Jade Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2009.11.16 04:31:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/11/2009 04:32:06
Post-dominion Erebus with a passive targeting system should do the job. Keep them talking long enough to acquire secret weapons lock and then let rip with 3,000,000 points of thermal damage for a classy insta-kill
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.16 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 16/11/2009 04:32:06
Post-dominion Erebus with a passive targeting system should do the job. Keep them talking long enough to acquire secret weapons lock and then let rip with 3,000,000 points of thermal damage for a classy insta-kill
Pfft. Erebus would get taken out by a single transphasic torpedo 3 systems away fired WHILST in warp. Hardly a match
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.11.16 04:54:00 -
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No the guy doing the math suggested the rate we slam shells into each other is rather unrealistic but to the point the output would rival a phaser cannon + injection of whatever that material/energy its trying to punch though I wished I can find the last post to put it up for you though.
Star Trek computers are extremely stupid in terms being able to tackel a virtual entity, unfourtuanlty people in the star trek universe have a phobia of virtual entities. Probably because it is one of thier weaknesses considering that computer is tied into every aspect of that ship. So using thier teleporter against them is possible once the entity is aboard. Also is it just me or is there apperantly a drawback to having shields on all the time? Why they got to activate it? Do they really have an energy economy that we are not aware of (power never seems to be an issue during combat in the ST universe)
Also why 1 reactor? Thats asking to lose if one of them get comprimised.
Why havent interia amplifiers been invented yet as an eletronic warfare in ST?
Also why hasnt alternative space weapons being worked on in ST?
Howcome there is no 'relfective' (gives a disruptive feedback though the particles of a photon beam to destroy the emitter or greatly degrade it) in ST yet to defeat phasers, oh wait they havent figure out a weapon better than a phaser yet. Also we already have the technology to bend beams of light so couple centuries from now who says that technology cant mature enough to be a viable defense agaisnt phaser.
Or heres a better one, a trans-space defense system that creats a small frissure in space time to create a temporary wormhole to eat up a shot and can match a hostiles already phased out of reality weapons.
Also wtf is up with no countermeasures against the torpedos? I mean in a space time and era where you can pinpoint a phaser beam how come I have never seen it shot down?
Also cloaking? just about every federation enemy has it and they still havent come out with a proper counter? Why not turn the phaser into a wagner and just douse the area in energy quickly to pinpoint the hostile.
Also If cloaking is causing that much issues to federation scanners then its entirely possible to jam a star trek ship based on that fact alone also there have been plenty of episodes where they have lost 'sensors' which is equatable to jamming.
Also the damned starships in Startrek have intakes! wtf do you have OPENED intakes for? They should be closed at all times unless you really need to fuel up.
Another thing, why is all combat in ST under 5kms? Do they got targeting issues? maybe thier phasers can't reach that far at least ships in eve can nail each other realtivly accuratly up to 300kms.
And yet no one can still explain to me how in the heck do you fire a phaser foward in FTL? If they use the space compression methood this would and should nullify the effect entirely and speaking of which why is it that every race in ST came to the same conclusion on FTL? Space compression is indeed one methood there are others.
Also Terrans from 10k years ago in eve are more powerful than any currently existing empire eve online today possesing a battleship sized weapon capable of wiping out an entire navy in one volley.
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CCP Ildoge
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Posted - 2009.11.16 05:29:00 -
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.16 05:47:00 -
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You're rambling massively Nova, i assume all of your questions are rhetorical, because they certainly do not make any sense.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.11.16 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Rhanna Khurin You're rambling massively Nova, i assume all of your questions are rhetorical, because they certainly do not make any sense.
Of course. We are talking about 1 fictional universe versus another. Sense doesn't even come into it. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
Originally by: CCP Fallout :facepalm:
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Khemul Zula
Amarr Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.11.16 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 16/11/2009 06:37:47
Originally by: Rhanna Khurin ST ships all have inertial stabilisers, just at least they have the option to turn them off for high speed maneuvers.
From a survival and self-preservation standpoint, this is rather the opposite of what you'd want to do.
But then just about every battle includes the phrase "Inertial dampeners are offline!" while the crew stubbornly fails to decorate the walls of the ship. So I guess they are safe in the Star Trek universe to try it.
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.11.16 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 16/11/2009 06:43:52 Of course I'm rambeling and ranting about my issues with star trek and its lack of progression, I do write a science fiction where the military force in it has been very paraniod about space warfare and dont just rely on supposivly superior shields weapons and tatics to keep saving thier rear end all the time.
Also the nemesis has nothing on the terran weapon that killed off the Elder Fleet that was seiging the amarr homeworld, the very same weapon that when it was destroyed caused a galaxy wide distrubance so massive it tore our space time fabric here in eve. The nemesis couldnt even kill off one federation starship, find me a non federation ship that can kill the enterprise in one shot before they devise a plan to counter it and I would belive that there is a weapon that can rival the 'nova' cannon.
Photons have some particle properties including conductivity of energy, they can conduct energies as simple as sound, kinetic, and thermal and all sorts of fun stuff, who says you cannot use a beam of photons to send the energy back? And since phasers can be fired forward while in warp it would appear its possible to make it go faster than light under the right conditions there is no issue on doing this in real space if you reproduce the conditions that allows it to be countered, rendered ineffective, or worse case scenario counter productive.
As for the cloaking ordeal, if what you say is true then how in the heck do they still not know where to pinpoint it thier blind fire, let alone have the enemy stop using cloak because its that ineffective? A military minded soceity would have come up with a far better counter than saying 'oh there's a cloaked ship out there lets wait for them to shot me.' No I peffer "Found them, blow them up before they have a chance to even drop the cloak"
I also dont buy your multiple AU argument, earth or that deep space station would have been destroyed countless of times over with long ranged weapons.
Also you need to think bigger than phasic torpedos when I mention alter space weapons. I mean where is the sense in warping a warhead though alternative space when you can simply rip a moving ship in half by opening a smaller than the ship tear in space right in the middle of it?
An Interia Amplifier weapon does the exact opposite of a Interia Dampener, makes moving a massive ship an internal splatter hazard.
Also why do they have to say raise shields? Somone with an itchy trigger finger aimed at the bridge with a FTL weapons would take it out before he can say 'Raise'
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.16 07:06:00 -
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Just face it Nova Fox. EVE ships are useless versus Star Trek ships.
You're now bringing up just purely random babble.
Planet killing is easy. I guess if we could use ANY ships in Star trek Species 9472 or perhaps the whale probe, maybe even "Vger" If none of that works it out with Q to turn the entire eve universe into bowls of petunias
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Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.11.16 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 16/11/2009 07:13:43
Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Just face it Nova Fox. EVE ships are useless versus Star Trek ships.
You're now bringing up just purely random babble.
Planet killing is easy. I guess if we could use ANY ships in Star trek Species 9472 or perhaps the whale probe, maybe even "Vger" If none of that works it out with Q to turn the entire eve universe into bowls of petunias
Funny thing is none of that really happened to earth yet in Star Trek Universe.
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.16 07:14:00 -
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Umm what's your point?
Planet destruction has happened many times in Star Trek if that was what you mean
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Zeredek
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Posted - 2009.11.16 07:24:00 -
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Scram it --------- rawr |
Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.11.16 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rhanna Khurin Umm what's your point?
Planet destruction has happened many times in Star Trek if that was what you mean
And it happens all the time in the real universe. Your point?
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.16 07:31:00 -
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Anyway, Picard can do THIS!
Also, my powers of making stupid face overpowers yours! (perhaps.....:D)
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.11.16 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 16/11/2009 07:44:38 Nova Fox said "Funny thing is none of that really happened to earth yet in Star Trek Universe." It did in Star Trek 11 which is one of the best Sci fi films in recent years. Earth has a massive defence net with a very large ring of defence satellite surrounding the solar system; it's not easy to get planet killing weapons into range of Earth.
Star Trek major location defences consist of self replicating mine fields and stuff like that at least in the TNG and after times.
Nova Fox said "space station would have been destroyed countless of times over with long ranged weapons." Why? space station have the same long range weapons only more of them then space ships and the same long range scanners. Just look at how much weaponry was on Deep Space 9 and that's an outdated Star Base.
If you look at the new revamped Star Trek the amount of weaponry on the very old Enterprise A to me looks like more firepower than 100 Eve battleships. Didn't the Enterprise A shoot down dozens of Torpedoes in a matter of seconds. How are Ravens going to deal with that?
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.11.16 08:17:00 -
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One of the most powerful warships of the Federation was the Defiant. Which had a Romulan cloaking device as well as huge amounts of proper armour and could easily stand toe to toe with a ship far larger than it as it was a purpose built combat ship. Most weapons would merely bounce of it's powerful shields and armour as well as it being maneuverable. Unlike a ship of it's size (cruiser)
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