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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.19 23:28:00 -
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Substantia Nigra wrote:
Also see some ppl suggesting that "MMORPG" does not, somehow, mean (or encourage) solo play. Strikes me that that is a complete load of twaddle.
No one said that solo play wasn't a possibility, its just that group/team play is more encouraged and rewarded a lot more.
Op stated that CCP does not support solo play. This is partially true to an extent. They support group player over solo play because this is an MMO. However, they still provide plenty of content for the solo player but in general, group play is more rewarding. |
Rees Noturana
Red Rock Mining Company
10
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Posted - 2011.09.20 00:00:00 -
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Liked and quoted for awesomeness.
Although I head up a high sec, mostly social, corporation most of us are pretty much solo players. I've been here a few years now and still haven't tried everything, including stuff that is totally doable by solo pilots. EVE is much deeper than missions and life outside high sec isn't difficult to adjust to.
If you can't find something new to do in EVE, especially after having only done missions, maybe a sandbox world isn't for you. I have never recommended this to anyone before but maybe something like WoW would be more your thing.
Rees Noturana | Professional Treasure Hunter |
ValentinaDLM
Ubi Concordia Ibi Victoria
403
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Posted - 2011.09.20 02:32:00 -
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Stalking Mio.
And just to add, if you are after solo PVP content, come on, you are going to have to risk. Be it pirate missions in 0.0, FW/l5 missions in low sec, sleepers in wormholes, or exploration in low or 0.0, you have to take risks if you want a different experience.
It is boring, largely because it is safe, I have to say, I am far more excited to run "The Blockade" DED l4 in stain trying to outsmart the people that want to kill me, than comfortably setting in high sec and Running "The Blockade" Blood l4 while having local minimized.
FW is even better, people can see you mission without probes, and warp right to it even, this means you have to pay attention and come up with clever strategies to not fight, or fight the attackers seems far more exciting at least.
Exploration is kinda easy, and sometimes pays out crap, even in low or null, but at least you have the excitement of possibly finding something nice, or getting an escalation.
And wormholes are fun too, you can totally do lower ones solo, and not having local you can never know if there is a bomber or a pilgrim ready to attack the moment you go to salvage that sleeper loot.
If it is excitement you seek, then it is risk you seek. |
Kesshisan
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Posted - 2011.09.20 04:05:00 -
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Vanguarder,
It sounds like you are unable to open your eyes to the universe around you and you do not want to make your own path. Rather you would have your path guided in front of you for you to follow. This means that EvE is not for you, and you are not for EvE. That's okay, though. Just because you and EvE don't match up doesn't mean you are a bad person or anything (despite what some people on these forums would have you believe.) There are plenty of games who cater to people like you; many of them are hugely popular, too!
I don't fault you for not wanting to play a game that isn't your playstyle, and I wish you the best of luck on whatever choices you make. . |
Dilligafmofo
Sandman Plc Laika.
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Posted - 2011.09.20 06:42:00 -
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Please donate all of your stuff to this char. I will ensure it is put to good use within a corp, sharing with those I fly with. As it was designed to do.
All isk forwarded will be spent gambling on Blink. as it was designed to do !! |
Tetragammatron Prime
Pink Sockers
2
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Posted - 2011.09.20 06:57:00 -
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Rent a system in drone regions or wherever. Can rat your balls off with no obligation to defend space, attend ctas etc. Alternatively do high sec incursions. Or grow a pair and do low sec lvl4s (maybe even join FW). |
Obax Bannon
Fidelis Technologies
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Posted - 2011.09.20 09:18:00 -
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Also might be worth thinking about Wormholes. Loads of stuff to do in there and you can do solo is your lucky enough to find an empty C1/C2 Plenty of smaller corps out there too |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2011.09.20 09:53:00 -
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Vanguarder wrote:I can only solo, play times and other factors have made that clear to me over my 5 years of time with EVE.
Can only solo, or will only solo?
All those limits you believe exist to your gameplay are self-imposed. Can't join a corp? Self imposed. Won't take part in multiplayer group activities such as Incursions? Self imposed.
EVE is not a theme park, it is a virtual world. You are the master of your own destiny. There is no story to play your way through, there is no content spoon-fed to you in a series of quests.
Get out there, make friends, join in activities that other people are doing.
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Uzbeg Khan
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 10:08:00 -
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I used to be in a 0.0 corp which had loinger WH ops with POS's and the whole shebang. Now I can't dedicate much time to being in a corp, so after returning to the game after a longer period I had to look for stuff to do solo.
Now I'm setting up to move into a C3 with this char in a tengu, and my alt in an Orca to see if semi-occupying a WH is any fun. I'll just load up wit ammo and spare stuff, and make the best of it. When I get bored I'll have a look into exploring. Plenty of stuff to do imo.
Now to figure out what to load into that orca... |
Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.09.20 13:34:00 -
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Eight years of solo play here (as much as you can solo in a multiplayer environment)
Not run out of content yet. That suggestion tree explains it all. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
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Bloody Wench
15
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Posted - 2011.09.20 13:51:00 -
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I've never joined a corp or had someone else in my corp, I've only even fleeted with someone else a couple of times (that didnt end well).
Sometimes I feel like I'm missing out other times not so much. I'd like to see more of null especially supers in action, outposts etc. Just for the 'oh that's cool' factor.
I've done lvl 4's until I thought I'd kill myself, but that was really only a means to an end as it happened. I used it to fund my first and second solo ventures into wormholes. First 2 times were both C3 with varying amounts of success/fails.
I went back to lvl 4s for a couple of months to fund my latest WH adventure, C4. Been there since January, so pretty much 9 months. The WH has funded 5 accounts PLEX + a Dread and some Carriers, some expensive tengus and a rorqual, just because I wanted one to move the 6M M3 of Ark I really couldnt be ****** hauling out without compressing. But yeah I'm getting to the point now where I've more ISK than I can use, so again there's a lack of motivation. I really only play for less than 10 hours a week if you don't count lurking in Jita on this character messing about with the market. I bought 32 ammo BPCs because the maths looked interesting, I however failed to realise that the total build time is 30 days unless I import another ammo array. (ammo arrays only have 5 slots) so there's another lesson for me to remember. Jita -> WH production -> back to Jita sounded like a good idea at the time, even without Empire access full time it's pretty easy. So lets hope that ammo doesnt crash before I get it all done.
It does get boring as hell sometimes, the game in general, when solo, just find yourself something else to do. EG I just installed Age of Empires 3, which is crap btw, but it beats looking at the door in EVE. |
Bloody Wench
15
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Posted - 2011.09.20 13:59:00 -
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Here's something else I always enjoyed. Get yourself a rifter, 3 stabs MWD, guns are optional and see how many jumps into null you can go. or, Try a round trip to serpentis prime for starters. Pack some guns and a do a lvl 1 serpentis mission just for lulz. (or wherever the lvl 1 agents are) |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:12:00 -
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Bloody Wench wrote:Here's something else I always enjoyed. Get yourself a rifter, 3 stabs MWD, guns are optional and see how many jumps into null you can go. or, Try a round trip to serpentis prime for starters. Pack some guns and a do a lvl 1 serpentis mission just for lulz. (or wherever the lvl 1 agents are)
This guy is scared of the brick wall that resides between .5 and .4 space. I doubt he'll head out to null any time soon. |
Seraph Cruoris
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.20 15:18:00 -
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I will vouch for what one of the earlier posters have said. If you want EVE and you want a solo experience id look into X3: Terran Conflict.. But put 5 years into that and you're also bound to be repeating missions. You've been around too long and you've stuck to the same gameplay element throughout (judging from what you said not from personal experience). Your brick wall and boredom was bound to happen; I don't think any developer designing and supporting an MMO expects you to stick to a solo play style for long as you have. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:33:00 -
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Seraph Cruoris wrote:I will vouch for what one of the earlier posters have said. If you want EVE and you want a solo experience id look into X3: Terran Conflict.. But put 5 years into that and you're also bound to be repeating missions. You've been around too long and you've stuck to the same gameplay element throughout (judging from what you said not from personal experience). Your brick wall and boredom was bound to happen; I don't think any developer designing and supporting an MMO expects you to stick to a solo play style for long as you have.
Hitting the brick wall in 5 years as opposed to 6 month means 5 and 1/2 years of extra subscription. Mission runners make up overwhelming majority of people who leave, yet there's still no new regular mission content for going on 5 years. CCP has got to be the only company out there so unconcerned about its bottom line. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:42:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Seraph Cruoris wrote:I will vouch for what one of the earlier posters have said. If you want EVE and you want a solo experience id look into X3: Terran Conflict.. But put 5 years into that and you're also bound to be repeating missions. You've been around too long and you've stuck to the same gameplay element throughout (judging from what you said not from personal experience). Your brick wall and boredom was bound to happen; I don't think any developer designing and supporting an MMO expects you to stick to a solo play style for long as you have. Hitting the brick wall in 5 years as opposed to 6 month means 5 and 1/2 years of extra subscription. Mission runners make up overwhelming majority of people who leave, yet there's still no new regular mission content for going on 5 years. CCP has got to be the only company out there so unconcerned about its bottom line.
I think the point is that CCP doesn't want its bottom line to be mission runners. They still make a profit. Could they make more if they just rolled out mission content? Probably. But they don't want that. They want the game they have dreamed of, not a game dedicated to mission grinding.
As much crap as people give CCP (myself included) I like that they stick to their guns, what they want for the game without selling out to the "majority."
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:48:00 -
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Vanguarder wrote:I didn't mean to sound like i was complaining.
All I am saying, Is once you have worked up to level 4 missions, as a solo'er there is no where else to go if you can't / don't join corps.
In all the years since the game came out, that one fact has not changed. I guess the general feeling is there are so few solo-only players, who enjoy combat, that there is not a need to expand that part of the game.
Yes, I have a narrow focus in EVE and I have finished all I can do, so I'm done i guess.
no need to be defensive of the game people, I enjoyed it.
Exploration is your answer. Exploration is a fairly decent attempt by CCP to cater to the solo player. Learn how to navigate low and null sec, and you can be that renegade lone space captain who strikes it rich.
You have to have some patience for it, but it's the best way to feel like you're out in space on your own looking for interesting things. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.09.20 16:54:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Goose99 wrote:Seraph Cruoris wrote:I will vouch for what one of the earlier posters have said. If you want EVE and you want a solo experience id look into X3: Terran Conflict.. But put 5 years into that and you're also bound to be repeating missions. You've been around too long and you've stuck to the same gameplay element throughout (judging from what you said not from personal experience). Your brick wall and boredom was bound to happen; I don't think any developer designing and supporting an MMO expects you to stick to a solo play style for long as you have. Hitting the brick wall in 5 years as opposed to 6 month means 5 and 1/2 years of extra subscription. Mission runners make up overwhelming majority of people who leave, yet there's still no new regular mission content for going on 5 years. CCP has got to be the only company out there so unconcerned about its bottom line. I think the point is that CCP doesn't want its bottom line to be mission runners. They still make a profit. Could they make more if they just rolled out mission content? Probably. But they don't want that. They want the game they have dreamed of, not a game dedicated to mission grinding. As much crap as people give CCP (myself included) I like that they stick to their guns, what they want for the game without selling out to the "majority."
That's the problem. A business don't get to pick and choose paying customers. Even now, CCP's bottom line is still mission runners, despite having low retention rate and high turnover. All they did by ignoring the biggest part of their customer base is decrease its overall size and tanking revenue.
"The dream they dreamed of?" It's long gone. Now they dream of Dust, Incarna and god know whatever else. Eve is the neglected first born whored out to pay bills. It should have been about what customers want, not what CCP wants. The "majority" is you and Eve player base in general, and CCP is sticking to themselves. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:00:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:
That's the problem. A business don't get to pick and choose paying customers. Even now, CCP's bottom line is still mission runners, despite having low retention rate and high turnover. All they did by ignoring the biggest part of their customer base is decrease its overall size and tanking revenue.
"The dream they dreamed of?" It's long gone. Now they dream of Dust, Incarna and god know whatever else. Eve is the neglected first born whored out to pay bills. It should have been about what customers want, not what CCP wants. The "majority" is you and Eve player base in general, and CCP is sticking to themselves.
Spoken like a true cynic.
CCP wants Eve to be a space simulator. Incarna has been in their thoughts for years. Yes they're using it to demo crap for another game. However, I think its a great addition to expand eve. Hell, I can't wait to have "establishments" like bars and such. It'll be great to get away from just "internet spaceships."
CCP has always been a company that does their own damn thing. Mission runners may be a large source of CCP's revenue, but that's to be expected. No reason to cater to it. Give them the bare minimum and continue as planned. They should continue to create the game they want. If you don't like Eve, don't play it. They're still making a ton of money and having a great time, I'm sure. |
Uzbeg Khan
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:26:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Goose99 wrote:
That's the problem. A business don't get to pick and choose paying customers. Even now, CCP's bottom line is still mission runners, despite having low retention rate and high turnover. All they did by ignoring the biggest part of their customer base is decrease its overall size and tanking revenue.
"The dream they dreamed of?" It's long gone. Now they dream of Dust, Incarna and god know whatever else. Eve is the neglected first born whored out to pay bills. It should have been about what customers want, not what CCP wants. The "majority" is you and Eve player base in general, and CCP is sticking to themselves.
Spoken like a true cynic. CCP wants Eve to be a space simulator. Incarna has been in their thoughts for years. Yes they're using it to demo crap for another game. However, I think its a great addition to expand eve. Hell, I can't wait to have "establishments" like bars and such. It'll be great to get away from just "internet spaceships." CCP has always been a company that does their own damn thing. Mission runners may be a large source of CCP's revenue, but that's to be expected. No reason to cater to it. Give them the bare minimum and continue as planned. They should continue to create the game they want. If you don't like Eve, don't play it. They're still making a ton of money and having a great time, I'm sure.
Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :) |
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:29:00 -
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Uzbeg Khan wrote:
Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :)
Mild hyperbole I think... |
Calfis
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.09.20 17:43:00 -
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Vanguarder wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Vanguarder wrote:I can only solo, play times and other factors have made that clear to me over my 5 years of time with EVE.
High sec missions are boring, i've done them all many times.
The difference between 0.5 and 0.4 means you might as well build a brick wall.
As a solo'er I have no choice but to come to the conclusion CCP is not interested in supporting solo game play, progress or development, as shown by the amount of effort put into it since EVE came out.
one or two new missions, just the same old with different text, hardly makes progress.
Seriously, short of joining a corp, which I can't do, I have done all that I can do and guess i'm done? Massive MULTIPLAYER Online Game. Do you need further explanation? Yes, there are MULTIPLE people playing all on the same servers
I dont think the above point has been explained by the OP. While itis true that there are multiple people on a single shard he did not explain why he is playing on a single shard with multiple players if he only intends to play with himself via PVE. As explained by others there are single player space sim games that accomplish this, so why play an MMO space sim if you don't intend to partake in the "MM" portion of it? |
Uzbeg Khan
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.09.20 19:29:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Uzbeg Khan wrote:
Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :)
Mild hyperbole I think...
Wrote a rant about ccp development, but decided against posting it. Could have turned all my internet spaceships into DUST |
Alaik
Rekall Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.09.21 08:20:00 -
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Uzbeg Khan wrote:Looking at the numbers, they sure aren't making alot of money. Their dream could very well end up with 64 players still in 0.0 and one guy mining in empire if they alienate the players that are paying their bills :)
On the other hand, that lone industrialist is going to make a fortune selling ships to the other 64 people. =) |
Espiritu Santo
Inevitable Incursion
0
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Posted - 2011.09.21 09:34:00 -
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While i agree with all the haters stating its an MMOPRG.......this is completely true.
But in life....we are never in the company of X amount of people 24/7, and everyone enjoys their own company at some point or another some more than others.
A few years back it was very easy to run solo and to run in groups, and everyone had the best of both worlds...
CCP set out to destroy the solo possibility for what ever reason.
I personally wish they hadn't, as now you have to choose which Blob to join or die.
And OP you are completey right about the missions being tedious and essentially boring, the only other thing you can successfully solo these days is mining, and i would simply not advise you to venture into PvP if you prefer the solo style, because as it stands at the moment......
PvP comprises of who has the biggets blob. |
Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
39
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Posted - 2011.09.21 13:04:00 -
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Mission runners aren't a problem, nor should they be catered for.
They come. They grind. They fail to grasp any initiative. They leave. The next batch come.
Eve has always been intended to be a sandbox game, and to that end, the "goal" is for the majority to live in nullsec. Ergo, why all the development ideas are centering around 0.0 development and fixes. |
Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
39
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Posted - 2011.09.21 13:05:00 -
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Espiritu Santo wrote:PvP comprises of who has the biggets blob.
I do enjoy blanket statements like this from people who have zero experience in doing it. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.09.21 13:15:00 -
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Lady Go Diveher wrote:Mission runners aren't a problem, nor should they be catered for.
They come. They grind. They fail to grasp any initiative. They leave. The next batch come.
Eve has always been intended to be a sandbox game, and to that end, the "goal" is for the majority to live in nullsec. Ergo, why all the development ideas are centering around 0.0 development and fixes.
This guy gets it.
The guy above him....clearly does not. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
5
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:10:00 -
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Espiritu Santo wrote:
CCP set out to destroy the solo possibility for what ever reason.
I personally wish they hadn't, as now you have to choose which Blob to join or die.
And OP you are completey right about the missions being tedious and essentially boring, the only other thing you can successfully solo these days is mining, and i would simply not advise you to venture into PvP if you prefer the solo style, because as it stands at the moment......
PvP comprises of who has the biggets blob.
Bolded the only true part in here. Edit: Hmm, bold doesn't work too well on the forums, now I underlined it too.
Missions and mining are very much NOT the only things you can do solo, there's tons of things you can do solo. Most stuff might not be the same "accept mission, go kill some rats, accept next mission" or "lock rock, start strip miners, lock next rock" grind that missions and mining are, but if you actually want to do something interesting with your game, there's tons of stuff to do.
And anyone can do solo PvP if you are smart and choose your targets well. No, you might not always win like you will against rats, but where's the fun in that anyways? There are plenty of solo PvPers out there, it's not just blobs galaxy-wide 23/7, you just have to be willing to go look for targets and fly smart. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2011.09.21 14:30:00 -
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mxzf wrote: And anyone can do solo PvP if you are smart and choose your targets well. No, you might not always win like you will against rats, but where's the fun in that anyways? There are plenty of solo PvPers out there, it's not just blobs galaxy-wide 23/7, you just have to be willing to go look for targets and fly smart.
The problem is what you consider to be "pvp" and the traditional definition of pvp. Cloaky Proteus ganking a unsuspecting transport does not fit the traditional definition, where both sides have the capability to fight. It's just gank. And no, not all of us get off on wandering for hours and then get a free and challenge-less kill. |
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