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Boomershoot
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.08 20:06:00 -
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Over the past Months (Years?) Ninja salvagers were always regarded as "Thieves" by players all around, CCP Defending them stating "That's how salvaging works!".
People keep fighting about it, Both sides are throwing **** at eachother Screaming "NINJAS ARE/AREN'T THIEVES".
But NOW i say, why isn't the same enthusiasm and dedication also present in defending the LOOTERS and the REAL THIEVES?!
Out of curiosity, how many times have you been shot in the last weeks, ninjas? well, whatever the numbers, i can assure you LOOTERS are getting shot at least twice as much. WHY do PEOPLE and PLAYERS hate LOOTERS so MUCH?! They don't even care about your wrecks! they won't salvage them and won't stop you from doing so either!
BUT you STILL want TO kill THEM.
what did they do to you that ninja didn't? i mean, why would you hesitate and sometime give up on shooting ninjas but you wouldn't think twice about digging some holes in some poor looter's structure?
This is what i ask to you CCP, Remove the possibility for people to shoot mission looters. They are not gonna take the loot anyway, they never did, and never will. I ask you just to remove this useless bug/feature.
Thanks in advance ________________________________________ i'd gladly abuse [hr] if CCP implemented it ________________________________________
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Subdivide
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Posted - 2009.11.08 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Subdivide on 08/11/2009 20:24:34 I have no idea what you just said.
You're welcome in advance
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Daemonspirit
An Android Lust
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Posted - 2009.11.08 21:10:00 -
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I don't know what you just said, but it seems very important to you - so I'll support it this time.
(There! Did my good deed for the day, as there weren't any old ladies to help across the street...)
ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö |
Dirty Sue
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Posted - 2009.11.08 21:29:00 -
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The incoherency is strong with this one.
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Mickey Simon
Blutkinder
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Posted - 2009.11.08 21:30:00 -
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Log Entry 109234 System: Sivala
Today, whilst piloting my Megathron class war vessal, I noticed one of my channels was blinking.
In this channel, a pilot by the name of Boomershot was talking about this thread.
It was with great reluctance that I read a thread about ninja-salvaging as I really do not find it interesting, however read the thread I did.
After reading the thread I continued to visit the multiple stations my ships fittings were spread out amongst.
After finally collecting all my items I set my autopilot for Dodixie in order to consolidate my items before my latest war declaration becomes active.
end of log
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merv1
Tides Of War
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Posted - 2009.11.09 06:26:00 -
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Edited by: merv1 on 09/11/2009 06:27:49
Originally by: Boomershoot Over the past Months (Years?) Ninja salvagers were always regarded as "Thieves" by players all around, CCP Defending them stating "That's how salvaging works!".
People keep fighting about it, Both sides are throwing **** at eachother Screaming "NINJAS ARE/AREN'T THIEVES".
But NOW i say, why isn't the same enthusiasm and dedication also present in defending the LOOTERS and the REAL THIEVES?!
Out of curiosity, how many times have you been shot in the last weeks, ninjas? well, whatever the numbers, i can assure you LOOTERS are getting shot at least twice as much. WHY do PEOPLE and PLAYERS hate LOOTERS so MUCH?! They don't even care about your wrecks! they won't salvage them and won't stop you from doing so either!
BUT you STILL want TO kill THEM.
what did they do to you that ninja didn't? i mean, why would you hesitate and sometime give up on shooting ninjas but you wouldn't think twice about digging some holes in some poor looter's structure?
This is what i ask to you CCP, Remove the possibility for people to shoot mission looters. They are not gonna take the loot anyway, they never did, and never will. I ask you just to remove this useless bug/feature.
Thanks in advance
That is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your incoherent, rambling response, did you come close to making what could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Osvaldr Adridian
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.11.09 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: merv1
That is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your incoherent, rambling response, did you come close to making what could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
This is honestly the first time I have seen this quote used in such a fitting manner.
+100 internets for you good sir.
I salute you.
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jimmyjam
Gallente Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2009.11.09 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Boomershoot Over the past Months (Years?) Ninja salvagers were always regarded as "Thieves" by players all around, CCP Defending them stating "That's how salvaging works!".
People keep fighting about it, Both sides are throwing **** at eachother Screaming "NINJAS ARE/AREN'T THIEVES".
But NOW i say, why isn't the same enthusiasm and dedication also present in defending the LOOTERS and the REAL THIEVES?!
Out of curiosity, how many times have you been shot in the last weeks, ninjas? well, whatever the numbers, i can assure you LOOTERS are getting shot at least twice as much. WHY do PEOPLE and PLAYERS hate LOOTERS so MUCH?! They don't even care about your wrecks! they won't salvage them and won't stop you from doing so either!
BUT you STILL want TO kill THEM.
what did they do to you that ninja didn't? i mean, why would you hesitate and sometime give up on shooting ninjas but you wouldn't think twice about digging some holes in some poor looter's structure?
This is what i ask to you CCP, Remove the possibility for people to shoot mission looters. They are not gonna take the loot anyway, they never did, and never will. I ask you just to remove this useless bug/feature.
Thanks in advance
This is great and all too bad no one cares.
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Kiljaedenas
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Posted - 2009.11.09 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Boomershoot Useless crap.
This is what i ask to you CCP, Remove the possibility for people to shoot mission looters. They are not gonna take the loot anyway, they never did, and never will. I ask you just to remove this useless bug/feature.
More useless crap
You dumb ****. Mission runners do grab loot usually; in standard missions up to 40% of the income someone gets from an individual mission comes from the loot from ships. When its against drones, that can often jump past 60%.
Why in the nine hells would you expect CCP to actually listen to this request?
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Boomershoot
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.11.09 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kiljaedenas
Originally by: Boomershoot Useless crap.
This is what i ask to you CCP, Remove the possibility for people to shoot mission looters. They are not gonna take the loot anyway, they never did, and never will. I ask you just to remove this useless bug/feature.
More useless crap
You dumb ****. Mission runners do grab loot usually; in standard missions up to 40% of the income someone gets from an individual mission comes from the loot from ships. When its against drones, that can often jump past 60%.
Why in the nine hells would you expect CCP to actually listen to this request?
Because of Speed Nerf, Falcon Nerf, Most nerfs that started on the forums. If i whine out loud for enough CCP will implement it!
And, fyi, 85% of statistics are made up. ________________________________________ i'd gladly abuse [hr] if CCP implemented it ________________________________________
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kra torii
United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2009.11.10 02:09:00 -
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Originally by: Boomershoot And, fyi, 85% of statistics are made up.
You mean like this one?
On the **** you're referring to in your original post, I honestly don't care about it. |
Isaac Apylon
Minmatar As Far As The eYe can see
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Posted - 2009.11.10 03:04:00 -
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Guys, Boomershot is, in fact, a ninja himself, of Suddenly Ninjas no less, and has previously shown himself to be a few crayons short of a full box. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, and assume he is just trolling and not actually serious. So please don't feed the ninja troll.
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Major Stallion
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.10 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kiljaedenas
You dumb ****. Mission runners do grab loot usually; in standard missions up to 40% of the income someone gets from an individual mission comes from the loot from ships. When its against drones, that can often jump past 60%.
im gunna go out on a limb and say 100% of the percentages in your post are entirely made up
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Lana's Alt
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2009.11.10 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Lana''s Alt on 10/11/2009 05:18:09
Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Kiljaedenas
You dumb ****. Mission runners do grab loot usually; in standard missions up to 40% of the income someone gets from an individual mission comes from the loot from ships. When its against drones, that can often jump past 60%.
im gunna go out on a limb and say 100% of the percentages in your post are entirely made up
You know this one has actually been studied right??
Earnings breakdown (level 4 missions): Bounties: 27% Reward: 7% LP: 27% Salvage: 20% Loot: 18%
Shamelessly copy and pasted from here.
Edit: So Salvage and Loot makes up 38% of your typical Level 4 mission. Now this is an average and therefor some missions will be higher and some lower.
Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first. |
Pasipha
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Posted - 2009.11.10 05:59:00 -
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Edited by: Pasipha on 10/11/2009 06:00:14 Edited by: Pasipha on 10/11/2009 05:59:38
Originally by: merv1 Edited by: merv1 on 09/11/2009 06:27:49
Originally by: Boomershoot Over the past Months (Years?) Ninja salvagers were always regarded as "Thieves" by players all around, CCP Defending them stating "That's how salvaging works!".
People keep fighting about it, Both sides are throwing **** at eachother Screaming "NINJAS ARE/AREN'T THIEVES".
But NOW i say, why isn't the same enthusiasm and dedication also present in defending the LOOTERS and the REAL THIEVES?!
Out of curiosity, how many times have you been shot in the last weeks, ninjas? well, whatever the numbers, i can assure you LOOTERS are getting shot at least twice as much. WHY do PEOPLE and PLAYERS hate LOOTERS so MUCH?! They don't even care about your wrecks! they won't salvage them and won't stop you from doing so either!
BUT you STILL want TO kill THEM.
what did they do to you that ninja didn't? i mean, why would you hesitate and sometime give up on shooting ninjas but you wouldn't think twice about digging some holes in some poor looter's structure?
This is what i ask to you CCP, Remove the possibility for people to shoot mission looters. They are not gonna take the loot anyway, they never did, and never will. I ask you just to remove this useless bug/feature.
Thanks in advance
That is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your incoherent, rambling response, did you come close to making what could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
To clarify www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEkWH8DB7b0
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Major Stallion
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.10 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lana's Alt
You know this one has actually been studied right??
Earnings breakdown (level 4 missions): Bounties: 27% Reward: 7% LP: 27% Salvage: 20% Loot: 18%
Shamelessly copy and pasted from here.
Edit: So Salvage and Loot makes up 38% of your typical Level 4 mission. Now this is an average and therefor some missions will be higher and some lower.
yeh sorry, i dont follow scientific studies of internet pixels mission income breakdowns...next time i'll scour the forums to make sure
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Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
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Posted - 2009.11.10 13:45:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Lana's Alt
You know this one has actually been studied right??
Earnings breakdown (level 4 missions): Bounties: 27% Reward: 7% LP: 27% Salvage: 20% Loot: 18%
Shamelessly copy and pasted from here.
Edit: So Salvage and Loot makes up 38% of your typical Level 4 mission. Now this is an average and therefor some missions will be higher and some lower.
yeh sorry, i dont follow scientific studies of internet pixels mission income breakdowns...next time i'll scour the forums to make sure
If you could, that would be helpful TIA
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Lana's Alt
Minmatar Republic Military Skool HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.11.10 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Lana's Alt
You know this one has actually been studied right??
Earnings breakdown (level 4 missions): Bounties: 27% Reward: 7% LP: 27% Salvage: 20% Loot: 18%
Shamelessly copy and pasted from here.
Edit: So Salvage and Loot makes up 38% of your typical Level 4 mission. Now this is an average and therefor some missions will be higher and some lower.
yeh sorry, i dont follow scientific studies of internet pixels mission income breakdowns...next time i'll scour the forums to make sure
I would have thought that when calling someone else a lair that makes up statistics you wouldn't like, you know, lie and make up stuff...
Plus I wouldn't say I had to go looking very hard, it was the top post in missions and complexes.. I mean its not C&P i'll grant you, but its only a few clicks away..
Istvaan Shogaatsu: As with most such situations the answer is simple: rob them first. |
Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.11.10 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Isaac Apylon Guys, Boomershot is, in fact, a ninja himself, of Suddenly Ninjas no less, and has previously shown himself to be a few crayons short of a full box. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one, and assume he is just trolling and not actually serious. So please don't feed the ninja troll.
FOILED AGAIN! D: ________________________________________ i'd gladly abuse [hr] if CCP implemented it ________________________________________
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Major Stallion
Total Mayhem. Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2009.11.10 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lana's Alt
Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Lana's Alt
You know this one has actually been studied right??
Earnings breakdown (level 4 missions): Bounties: 27% Reward: 7% LP: 27% Salvage: 20% Loot: 18%
Shamelessly copy and pasted from here.
Edit: So Salvage and Loot makes up 38% of your typical Level 4 mission. Now this is an average and therefor some missions will be higher and some lower.
yeh sorry, i dont follow scientific studies of internet pixels mission income breakdowns...next time i'll scour the forums to make sure
I would have thought that when calling someone else a lair that makes up statistics you wouldn't like, you know, lie and make up stuff...
Plus I wouldn't say I had to go looking very hard, it was the top post in missions and complexes.. I mean its not C&P i'll grant you, but its only a few clicks away..
i have a horrible mouse, and clicking that many times really doesnt bode well for it. I'll rely on you to post inane studies and percentages next time...and usually when someone says theyre going out on a limb...it means theyre taking a chance ;)
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Kiljaedenas
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Posted - 2009.11.10 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kiljaedenas on 10/11/2009 20:53:53
Originally by: Lana's Alt Edited by: Lana''s Alt on 10/11/2009 05:18:09
Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Kiljaedenas
You dumb ****. Mission runners do grab loot usually; in standard missions up to 40% of the income someone gets from an individual mission comes from the loot from ships. When its against drones, that can often jump past 60%.
im gunna go out on a limb and say 100% of the percentages in your post are entirely made up
You know this one has actually been studied right??
Earnings breakdown (level 4 missions): Bounties: 27% Reward: 7% LP: 27% Salvage: 20% Loot: 18%
Shamelessly copy and pasted from here.
Edit: So Salvage and Loot makes up 38% of your typical Level 4 mission. Now this is an average and therefor some missions will be higher and some lower.
I wasn't considering LP. I was purely going by ISK from what I've seen in doing missions myself, and the percentages I gave were very quick and rough approximations from memory.
Long story short, loot gives a good chunk of the total potential income from missions. If someone isn't collecting loot that means they probably aren't collecting salvage either which in my mind is completely idiotic, as is the OP's request to get CCP to allow anyone to just come in and grab it at will without repercussions. Loot and salvage from missions is one of the ONLY reasons why I can afford the ships that I do, and can therefore potentially risk PvP in Losec and the like which I know many people have been complaining about (Losec is empty, not enough targets, force carebears into losec for mission running so I can pwn their PvE built ship, blah blah blah wah wah wah).
I don't know about other lv4 mission runners but I have always been curious about losec, nullsec and the inherent dangers of it. I have every intention of going there once I can afford it, and I will be able to afford it through - you guessed it - level 4 mission running.
SO DON'T **** WITH THE CURRENT MISSION RUNNING SETUP!
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